MiLB 5/15
by tmannino on May 15, 2025 1:13 PM EDT
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From @Jaypers413 on Twitter:
Today's #Milb notable SPs include - Dae-Eun Rhee, Trevor Rosenthal vs. Johnny Hellweg, Barret Loux, Gerardo Concepcion, Mike Montgomery...
Robbie Ray, Jameson Taillon, Dellin Betances, Aaron Sanchez, David Filak, Enny Romero, Simon Castro, Shelby Miller...
Allen Webster, Chris Dwyer vs. Edwar Cabrera, David Holmberg, Garrett Gould, Brandon Workman, Cody Buckel
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Frisco's Jurickson Profar's hitting streak reaches 25 today
Miguel Sano is 19 years old and in the Midwest League. He has 1 more home run than the entire Dayton Dragons team.
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Profar
3-5, SB. on base streak reaches 35 games
don’t look now, but the average is up above .290
an allegorical tale of fallopian fungus contemplating life beyond the cervical wall
by MonkeyEpoxy on May 15, 2025 3:34 PM EDT reply actions
Mike Olt
0-3, 2 BB, 2 K
Michael Damman @pressboxchatter
Since April 17th, Mike Olt is batting .333/.467/.631/1.098. Yes, he has gotten on base nearly half the time for a four week period. #rangers
an allegorical tale of fallopian fungus contemplating life beyond the cervical wall
by MonkeyEpoxy on May 15, 2025 3:36 PM EDT reply actions
Lol
Look at me.. I’ll strike out twice and still manage a OBP of .400
by McCutchenIsTheTruth on May 15, 2025 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Jordan Lyles
vs. the Phillies
ND, 6 IP, 6 H, 3 R (1 ER), 1 BB, 4 K’s, 2 HRA (93 pitches, 60 strikes)
by dbreer23 on May 15, 2025 4:23 PM EDT reply actions
he got smacke dtwice by lefty Brian Schneider. There was also a runner gunned at the plate (one less ER). I’m happy with his performance. I hope he continues to pitch well.
Play ball!
by tmannino on May 15, 2025 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions
9-4 GO-AO
Nice outing. The 2 HRs are to be expected from a 21 year old. But he sat 91-93 in the first 3 innings, looked like he tired a bit as the game wore on, sitting 89-91. Threw a lot of 87-88 mph cutters in the early part of the game, went more to the 4 seamer later. Didn’t throw a lot of change ups from what I could see.
by Woodland League on May 15, 2025 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions
OT
Went 0-4, drew a walk though. I still love the kid :)
by casejud on May 15, 2025 5:47 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Well
I picked OT last year probably thanks to your advocacy so for that I thank you.
by odbsol on May 15, 2025 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Cool
Glad to help. I think he’ll be a big star for you. Try to hang on to him!
by casejud on May 15, 2025 11:30 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Lindor
2 - 3, doubled, singled, walked, hitting .319
by casejud on May 15, 2025 5:48 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Jorge Bonifacio
4 - 5, doubled, singled three times
hitting .329
by casejud on May 15, 2025 5:58 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Grant Green
2 - 2, walked twice. Not bad for a guy who don’t like to walk much.
by casejud on May 15, 2025 6:05 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
the last 2 or 3 weeks he's actually been walking at a higher clip than normal
dunno if that’s just SSS or a legit change in his approach, but either way it’s nice to see
Snoochies
You gotta Fister, Recker, then Parker outside
by guessatomo on May 15, 2025 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions
What caught my eye about Green is that his K-rate has been steadily creeping down this year
The last two years he’s been at about 20%, after 32 games this season it’s down to 16.5%. It’s still a small sample but for a guy who’s value is largely dependent on batting average it would be nice if he could make more consistent contact.
I’ve been down on Green since his move to the outfield, and while I’m still skeptical, a legitimate improvement in making contact would help his chances on being a decent starter.
by OkayJay81 on May 15, 2025 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions
why would you have been down on him for moving to the OF?
He was never going to play shortstop at the major league level. If anything the move improved his prospect standing, because he now has a position he can play.
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by mrkupe on May 15, 2025 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Moving to the outfield just signified that it was official he couldn't hang at SS
When he was drafted scouts seemed pretty split on whether he could stick at SS. Even after his error filled first season I was hoping that steady work with pro coaches could at least get him up to playable there.
Once it was official he was an outfielder I was doubtful that his bat would play out there.
by OkayJay81 on May 15, 2025 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions
many players in the minors play positions they have no business playing at the ML level
Was sticking at SS really a matter of range or hands? He has been struggling with arm strength, something that I suspect was at least partially owed to trying to stay lean to stick in the middle infield. Back in HS he was projected to fill out and move to 3B, and arm never seemed to come up as an issue until the last couple of years. Last year, he was really having to heave himself into his throws to get any kind of carry.
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by mrkupe on May 15, 2025 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions
it wasn't range, hands, or arm
it was his foot positioning (which lead to throwing accuracy troubles) on the routine plays.
apparently he was great on tough plays and hot shots, but on the routine ones he’d hurry himself and make wild throws
Snoochies
You gotta Fister, Recker, then Parker outside
by guessatomo on May 15, 2025 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions
there were definitely concerns about his arm strength
If it was a matter of footwork, I’d have to believe that he’d still be at shortstop as that is fixable and one of the last things to come for most shortstops.
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by mrkupe on May 15, 2025 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions
"Infield actions"
He just doesn’t have “infield actions” as they say. Nothing really looked fluid out there from the limited games I saw on MLB net.
by ROBERTS04 on May 15, 2025 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions
it wasn't so much arm strength, he had plenty of that
it was more knoblauch-itis, and from what i read that stemmed from his footwork, not just last year but also the year before.
Snoochies
You gotta Fister, Recker, then Parker outside
by guessatomo on May 15, 2025 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions
09 draft scouting report from BA
“…he is similar to Tulowitzki in his defensive skills and playmaking ability. He has excellent range, outstanding hands and the smooth and fluid actions of a possible Gold Glove defender.” I wish these sites would stop using superstars as comps. .
by ROBERTS04 on May 15, 2025 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Question for the community
Would a foul tip that is held onto by the catcher be most properly classified a swinging strike or a foul tip. Is the answer different for the 1st or 2nd strike versus the third strike, which of course would be a K.
by MjwW on May 15, 2025 7:38 PM EDT reply actions
I believe it is a swinging strike, but not 100 percent certain on that
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by mrkupe on May 15, 2025 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes
“Caught third strike” swinging is the right answer.
by Woodland League on May 15, 2025 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Wondered about that
Thanks for the note
by charles wallace on May 15, 2025 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Tim Alderson
is kinda, barely alive. He just struck out Manny Machado and hasn’t imploded yet!
by McCutchenIsTheTruth on May 15, 2025 8:12 PM EDT reply actions
Aaron Sanchez effectively wild
4IP | 1H | 0R/ER | 2BB | 5K | 3WP
Both BB in first two innings, just lost the strike zone (only 12 balls total in those innings). Roughly 64 pitches, 40 strikes. Weak contact, the hit was on the infield, all batted balls were grounders save one fliner
by MjwW on May 15, 2025 8:17 PM EDT reply actions
Did you see the WP?
Any borderline passed balls, or definitely WP? I imagine the catching at that level can muddle things.
by Woodland League on May 15, 2025 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Listening on the radio
But didn’t seem like they were on the catcher….he wouldn’t had another, but it hit the ump and stayed at the plate
by MjwW on May 15, 2025 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Josh Sale with HR #3.
He has been pretty good so far. Vettleson also hit one.
by mr. maniac on May 15, 2025 8:27 PM EDT reply actions
Extremely small sample
But I would say that he’s been awesome so far.
27 PA .333 3 HR 6 BB only 3 K
by sethbeno on May 15, 2025 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions
And now he has walked twice today.
That K rate is awesome, especially for a power guy. I’m trying not to jinx anything though.
by mr. maniac on May 15, 2025 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions
It's crazy
that a few weeks ago people here considered him an extreme long-shot, if not a lost cause. I admit that my hope was fading too but he is quickly rebuilding some stock.
by sethbeno on May 15, 2025 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions
And what makes it especially surprising
is that he was stuck in extended spring training to begin the year leading most everyone to believe he had some serious developmental issues. I don’t want to overreact to 30 PAs but considering where his career seemed to be before making his A ball debut this has been a shockingly quick turnaround.
by sethbeno on May 15, 2025 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions
The Rays rarely promote guys from extended, so it was a bit of a shock.
They must have been pleasantly surprised with him.
by mr. maniac on May 15, 2025 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions
People also seemed to give up on him completely.
Not being ranked in the top 30 Rays prospects and all. He still has a long way to go though.
by Looney4baseball on May 16, 2025 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Mike Trout
3-4, 3 runs, 1 HR (3rd), 1K, 1 SB
dude is raking
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by mathisrocks5 on May 15, 2025 8:59 PM EDT reply actions
Going to give an interview on MLB tonight
time for the hype train to leave the station
by RedHopeful on May 15, 2025 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions
also, Jenrry Mejia is heading to AAA
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by mathisrocks5 on May 15, 2025 9:13 PM EDT reply actions
but as a reliever :(
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by mathisrocks5 on May 15, 2025 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions
apparently
As a mechanism to control his IP coming off TJ. He really has never tossed to many innings in any one of his full seasons. I still believe he is a starter and will be in ’13
by St.Steve on May 15, 2025 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I see, thanks
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by mathisrocks5 on May 15, 2025 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed
Still silly though that the Mets have up to this point treated him as a starter if this is really the concern.
by RedHopeful on May 15, 2025 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Mejia is now being promoted to AA Binghamton as a starter
http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/mets/post/_/id/45501/mejia-to-b-mets
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by Russ on May 16, 2025 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions
wtf
are minaya and manuel still calling the shots behind the scenes?
by St.Steve on May 17, 2025 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Rays manager Joe Maddon told the Tampa Bay Times on Tuesday that Alex Cobb or Chris Archer are expected to be recalled from Triple-A Durham to replaced Jeff Niemann in the rotation.
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by mathisrocks5 on May 15, 2025 9:16 PM EDT reply actions
i guess you never know
But its gotta be Cobb coming up right?- Seems to deserve it after last seasons showing and been solid in AAA.
by St.Steve on May 15, 2025 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Cobb
It would be foolish IMO if it were Archer. Cobb deserves it.
by Woodland League on May 15, 2025 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Goldstein tweeted that it would be Cobb
by mlbprospectpulse on May 15, 2025 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Lueke got the call...
At least, he took Niemann’s spot on the 25-man roster. Cobb probably gets called up this weekend when Niemann’s spot in the rotation comes due.
by dbreer23 on May 15, 2025 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Miles Head
2-2 with 2 BB. 8 BB in the last 10 games after only having 3 BB in his first 100 AB’s.
by ROBERTS04 on May 15, 2025 9:18 PM EDT reply actions
Justin Nicolino
4IP | 6H | 1R/ER | 0BB | 3K | 1WP
Somewhere around 52 pitches, 43 strikes (I may have missed a few in his 3rd inning, don’t think so but it’s possible since I was having a simultaneous argument about why the difference between .330 OBP and .360 OBP is not meaningless).
Fastball sat 89-91, got a bunch of swinging strikes on the change-up. Gave up some solid contact - 6GB, 3LD, 4FB
by MjwW on May 15, 2025 9:37 PM EDT reply actions
Ranaudo
4ip 4h 4r 4er 3bb 2k 2hr, 4go:2fo, 44 strikes, 75 pitches
by Dorn on May 15, 2025 9:53 PM EDT reply actions
I feel like...
Ranaudo has a favorite number…
by kicker31 on May 15, 2025 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions
"4?"
Dialing up my best Rodney Dangerfield impression…
by dbreer23 on May 16, 2025 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Brett Lawrie just exploded on the home plate umpire
threw his helmet and it hit the ump, not good…
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by mathisrocks5 on May 15, 2025 10:05 PM EDT reply actions
Saw that
Hope he apologizes, learns from it and moves on.
by RedHopeful on May 15, 2025 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions
ugh
He was being so professional in his young career thus far. I’m sure it will only make him more focused and a better player.
by St.Steve on May 15, 2025 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions
He will have time to think it over during his suspension.
by mr. maniac on May 15, 2025 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Already did apologize in post game interview
Bad fortune in how it bounced, but you just can’t throw it anywhere near the ump or you open yourself up to that
by MjwW on May 15, 2025 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Not good
but that ump was terrible.
by Woodland League on May 15, 2025 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Just saw the replay
No way to put a good face on that. The damn helmet caromed off the ump. Competitiveness is one thing, but that was asinine.
by charles wallace on May 15, 2025 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't know how you interpret that way.
He didn’t just strike out, stand there or maybe walk back, and throw his helmet on the ground only to see it take a bad bounce and hit the ump.
No, he went after the ump and threw it at him. It had to take a bad bounce not to hit the ump.
by mr. maniac on May 15, 2025 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm saying that it's an abnormally shaped object
And that abnormally shaped objects can bounce in very unpredictable ways. It could very well have bounced in a completely difference direction, and it wouldn’t be a story
Note: This is not to absolve what Lawrie did in the least. It was wrong, dumb, stupid, no excuses. He’ll get suspended, and it will be a completely legitimate consequence of what he did
by MjwW on May 15, 2025 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Um,
he turned and threw the helmet on a direct line. I guess it’s a testament that he could make an abnormally shaped object bounce on such a perfect line? lol
Even without the helmet, Lawrie was enraged to a completely absurd degree. Here’s hoping he watches the video, sees how unacceptable the entire thing was, and keeps his temper going forward. Joey Votto got throw out of two games in a two week period for arguing strikes and balls too vociferously a couple of seasons ago, and that was the last of that. Those were bad calls too.
by charles wallace on May 15, 2025 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions
To second part
I’m not disputing any of that. As I said, dumb, stupid, pick your adverbs and adjectives of choice.
To the first part, all I’m saying is, if the helmet impacts the ground in a different way, it bounces at a different angle, and possibly avoids the umpire altogether, in which case I doubt he gets suspended. Again, that’s not to absolve Lawrie of any responsibility.
by MjwW on May 16, 2025 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions
And guess
why veterans don’t throw their helmets…
by charles wallace on May 16, 2025 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes
We’re not going to agree enough on how stupid a think it was to do
by MjwW on May 16, 2025 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Or
How stupid it was to be that out of control
by MjwW on May 16, 2025 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Not to belabor the point
but I’ve watched this a couple more times, and he throws the helmet right at the umpire’s feet. Even if it hadn’t hit him I suspect he’d be looking at a fine and/or suspension. The video does a nice job of showing how bad the strike calls were. Still, you throw a helmet within two feet of an ump like that and you’re in trouble.
http://larrybrownsports.com/baseball/brett-lawrie-throws-helmet-umpire-suspension/135762
by charles wallace on May 16, 2025 8:31 AM EDT up reply actions
I guess here's what I'm saying
It was a really bad process, and ended up with a really bad result. Karma at its finest. But sometimes, bad processes still end with good or neutral outcomes (John Farrell bats Adam Lind clean-up against a lefty and Lind hits a HR or doesn’t go 0-4, 3K). And sometimes good processes nonetheless results in a bad outcome (swing a 3-1 meatball, just miss it, and it ends up an out).
by MjwW on May 16, 2025 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions
It was brutal even if it didn't hit the umpire. He should get at least 10 games, probably more.
I do have a question about the umpire though. If an ump makes consecutive bad calls it’s one thing. But was that ump purposefully jobbing Lawrie? It appeared that way to me.
by pedrophile on May 16, 2025 2:00 AM EDT up reply actions
No suspension
Simply because throwing a plastic helmet at someone’s feet isn’t all that dangerous, and since drinking and driving is 0 games, Lawrie should really be given the chance to play an extra 10 games.
by Cashews! on May 16, 2025 2:04 AM EDT up reply actions
It definitely seemed to me
that the ump took umbrage to Lawrie jogging to first on the called strike before - when Lawrie thought it was ball 4. The ump looked a little emphatic calling that 3rd strike, which was clearly a ball. And when Lawrie got in his face, he seemed to want to get into it with him. At the very least, I think the ump should also be watched closely for a.) poor strike zone judgement, and b.) possibly letting a pretty common reaction (starting to run to first on a perceived ball four) prejudice and widen his view of the strike zone in a revenge manner on the next pitch. The game at this level has no room for spiteful umps.
by Woodland League on May 16, 2025 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions
What? Some of those crappy excuses on BBB are pretty hilarious. This is one of them.
So he turns, takes a DIRECT angle towards the ump, throws it at this same angle right near the umps feet, and it bounces like it should. So he was expecting it to take a horrible bounce.
You must think Lawrie is one of the dumbest players in baseball who has never touched a basketball or learned any type of physics before.
And then, when it “accidentally” hit the ump, Lawrie calmed down and apologized, right? Or he at least acted shocked, right? Nope. Not a single look of surprise on his face as he charged him, spit flying in his face, before being forcefully restrained by his manager.
by mr. maniac on May 16, 2025 8:56 AM EDT up reply actions
cue the
Edward 40 hands pic, lol.
I am surprised nobody has brought up the attitude/maturity issues that factored into the brewers decision to move him…which I don’t buy and wish they had not done.
by St.Steve on May 16, 2025 9:05 AM EDT up reply actions
haha
that pic is hilarious. But I’ve thought he’s grown up a lot since coming to TOR. He’s an intense guy. Would you be surprised if Harper ever did something like this in the next 3 years? He’s pretty intense too. I mean, Lawrie is still 23, right?
by Woodland League on May 16, 2025 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Larry Bowa (who knows about this stuff..LOL), said on MLBNetwork last night
he expects Joe Torre to “throw the book at Lawrie with the same force he threw the helmet” and would be shocked of Lawrie doesn’t get ten games, minimum.
I don’t recall how many games Delmon got for his incident, but I remember seeing the video and it seemed far less egregious than this one.
by mlbprospectpulse on May 16, 2025 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Delmon
got 50 games I thought but I may be off
by odbsol on May 16, 2025 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Delmon Young also threw a bat
from 20 feet away. Different cases, but he will get quite a suspension. I think 10-15 games.
by asyouwish33 on May 16, 2025 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Whoops
Thought you were saying he deserved Delmon Young’s 50 games. My bad.
by asyouwish33 on May 16, 2025 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I think Delmon got 50 games.
Not sure if it was reduced on appeal.
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by Kerm on May 16, 2025 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Now you're just just getting absurd
So he was expecting it to take a horrible bounce.
He wasn’t expecting anything. He was out of control, and that’s inexcusable is I’ve maintained above. But I don’t believe there was any intent to hit the ump, throwing the helmet was a purely emotional reaction.
As for the last part, I’m glad that you’re so level headed that you’ve never had a moment where you got upset enough to lose control. Cause expecting him to instantaneously calm down is unrealistic. Again, not that that excuses being out of control initially.
by MjwW on May 16, 2025 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions
He def. did not throw it AT the umpire
he slammed it down, he deserves a suspension, but really its already been severely blown out of proportion, it bounces and grazed the umps leg, he did not throw it at him, he threw it at the groung in a fit of rage and AGAIN I Agree he should be suspended but those were TWO awful calls made purely out of spite and delusion of granduer, and there are way too many umps like that…The ump felt his power was being questioned by some young punk, I never understood calling a strike if batter takes off before the call and this was clearly the case, both calls were laughable and made only bc the ump felt slighted, I really hate confrontational umps and I think the ump gets off lightly as everyone over reacts to Lawrie, 9th inning 1 run game and ump takes game into his own hands, he should be suspended too, and I do expect MLB to over react, prheaps 25game or something similarily ridiculous, Hamels gets basically nothing for drilling a guy w/ a harball at 90 mph in the back, drunk driving, wife beating common occurances for similary short fused hard partyin athletes is fine but grace a combative ump w/ a helmet and we need to drop the hammer and teach lessons….
by tvators01 on May 16, 2025 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions
"it bounces like it should"
Yeah, this is getting farcical. People feel comfortable ascertaining what the ump was “thinking” from replyas but won’t accept what’s objectively clear in terms of the thrown helmet? lol
by charles wallace on May 16, 2025 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Jose Iglesias
3-5 , 1 HR (1), 1K, last 10 games .286/302/.357, not great, but much better
by alex710707 on May 15, 2025 10:18 PM EDT reply actions
for Jose Iglesias, that is pretty good
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by mrkupe on May 15, 2025 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Finished 2-4
It was his 9th HR.
.317/.431/.590
by dbacks25 on May 16, 2025 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Kolten Wong
2-5 but that power has dried up. No XBH in at least the last 10 games.
by RedHopeful on May 15, 2025 10:22 PM EDT reply actions
Dave Filak solid again
6IP 6H 2R 2ER 2BB 5K and 1 HRA. Bucking for a much-needed promotion.
by charles wallace on May 15, 2025 11:17 PM EDT reply actions
Jupiter Hammerheads
Game was rained out. Doubleheader tomorrow against Palm Beach Cardinals
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by SamEvans on May 15, 2025 11:19 PM EDT reply actions
Edwar Cabrera
7IP 5H 3R 3ER 1BB 6K with 3 HRA. Fourth appearance with multiple homers allowed, and now up to 11 in 50.2 IP.
by charles wallace on May 15, 2025 11:20 PM EDT reply actions
Carlos Sanchez
3 for 5 with two strikeouts in a DH. Played SS in both games, though he’s played a lot of 2B as well this year.
by charles wallace on May 15, 2025 11:25 PM EDT reply actions
Jack Marder
2 for 2 with a triple, homer
by charles wallace on May 15, 2025 11:26 PM EDT reply actions
Wild game at High Desert
That’s after just 3 innings. And it’s off David Holmberg.
His team is losing 5-15 though…
by bbtng on May 15, 2025 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Apparently
There is a ton of wind at the game, and everything is flying out of the ballpark…
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by SamEvans on May 15, 2025 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah... It's 22-5 now
Some fun stats though…
Chris Young who is rehabbing with Visalia has 4 at-bats after 3 innings!
The Visalia 1B Jonathan Griffin is 4 for 4 with 2 homers and a triple and 5 RBis in the 4th…
by bbtng on May 15, 2025 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions
High Desert has a ridiculous home field
Michael Freeman of Visalia was 7 for 8.
by ddt58 on May 16, 2025 3:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Figured
it had to be a partial line. Marder is looking solid as usual.
by charles wallace on May 15, 2025 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Junior Lake
3 for 5 with a double, strikeout. Played SS in this one.
by charles wallace on May 15, 2025 11:29 PM EDT reply actions
I know he is still considered raw
But is it unrealistic to think we might see him late this summer?
by ArbeeEye on May 16, 2025 12:28 AM EDT up reply actions
The Jimmy Paredes career path
They look pretty similar physically, actually. Tall, lanky, cannon arms and premium athleticism… Pretty comparable prospects.
by kyuss94 on May 16, 2025 2:05 AM EDT via Android app up reply actions
I can sorta see it
but Lake has a ton of HR potential. Granted, few guys reach their ceilings, but we’re talking a ceiling of plus power.
by toonsterwu on May 16, 2025 4:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Matt Adams
1 for 4 with a homer (7), strikeout.
by charles wallace on May 15, 2025 11:30 PM EDT reply actions
Keury de la Cruz
2 for 5 with a homer (7).
by charles wallace on May 15, 2025 11:36 PM EDT reply actions
Maikel Franco
1 for 5 with a double. XBH remains solid, and he’s not striking out excessively, but struggling with avg.
by charles wallace on May 15, 2025 11:38 PM EDT reply actions
F-Mart
Dont look now but he’s hitting .326/.386/.522. Having his best year he’s ever had in the minors and lets not forget he’s younger than guys like Jennings and D-Brown. Really hope Houston gives him a LONG look.
by CaptainHowdy on May 15, 2025 11:57 PM EDT reply actions
Unfortunately
The Astros continue to be enamored with Brian “Look our 2005 first round pick isn’t a total failure” Bogusevic in RF. Very glad they scooped Martinez up though, he could be their first DH.
by kyuss94 on May 16, 2025 2:07 AM EDT via Android app up reply actions
can't seem to find anything about Buckel
Buckel didn’t pitch?
by bk11 on May 16, 2025 1:34 AM EDT reply actions
Is nobody going to mention the football game
that they played in High Desert? 26-11. 3 touchdowns, a missed xp and 2 field goals for Visalia beat High Deserts two safeties and TD.
by turambar85 on May 16, 2025 2:25 AM EDT reply actions
Continued...
31 hits by Visalia. 7 by Michael Freeman.
by turambar85 on May 16, 2025 2:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Cecchini
3-5, hr, 2 sb (#14sb?) - heating up in May .347/.407/.571
by hybrid on May 16, 2025 2:34 AM EDT reply actions
he hit a hr!
finally hit his first for the year.
by bk11 on May 16, 2025 3:48 AM EDT up reply actions
To give you guys an idea (sorry, don't want to hijack the thread) of the strike zone on the day, here is a graph.
So one of the pitches caught the zone, and the other one wasn’t even the furthest ball outside called a strike.
Here is a question. If the same thing happened to Harper, would he do the same? I would hope not. Both play the game hard, and I hope Harper is able to keep his cool better. With all the media fixated on him, it only takes one stupid incident to ruin Harper’s image.
by mr. maniac on May 16, 2025 9:01 AM EDT reply actions
Sorry if I didn't read correctly
but the top graph is the at bat where Lawrie ended up getting ejected? And the bottom one is? Sorry for the dumb questions probably.
by Woodland League on May 16, 2025 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Bottom is all pitches that the home plate umpire called last night
The green ones he called balls and the red ones he called strikes.
by nixa37 on May 16, 2025 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions
That's kind what I thought
Thanks. Just seemed like too few for 9 innings and two teams, but I guess once you get rid of foul balls, tips, balls in play, etc…
by Woodland League on May 16, 2025 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions
What does Harper have to do with this?
Also, that’s not the actual strike zone, it’s an approximation. You can’t use that to say whether that 6th pitch was a ball or strike (not that it really matters in the grand scheme)
by MjwW on May 16, 2025 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Remember that umps are more accurate for high/low calls than pitch f/x
I know that’s the reason Mike Fast has cited for his opposition to pitch f/x replacing human umps. I think the third strike would mostly be a non-issue as far as bad calls go if it weren’t for the pitch immediately prior.
by nixa37 on May 16, 2025 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Right
But that’s my entire point. The reason they’re less accurate is that the strike zone doesn’t have an explicit high/low zone - it’s in reference to the player itself and changes.
If you look at the above, it’s just setting it generically as 1.5 feet to 3.5 feet. Which is not what the actual zone is, and so you can’t say “it’s right there, it’s a strike or a ball or borderline”. Whereas on inside/outside, there’s an unchanged explicit reference point, the plate
by MjwW on May 16, 2025 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions
It goes beyond just the lack of an explicit high/low cutoff point
You also have issues related to what the actual height of the ball was when it crosses the plate. Because pitches are accelerating downward more rapidly than they accelerate side to side (because of gravity) the lack of an exact defined moment when the pitch crosses the plate causes greater issues with high/low calls as well.
I don’t know about other people, but I personally like the human element on ball/strike calls because of the importance it places on the catcher and his ability to “frame” pitches (though it appears it may have less to do with framing than not noticeably moving when catching the ball).
by nixa37 on May 16, 2025 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Interesting
I was not aware of all of the stuff in your first paragraph.
I do not like the human element on ball/strike calls, however, especially since it usually manifests itself in the form of umpires who have their own definition of the strike zone rather than the rulebook definition. I accept humans will make mistakes, though some more frequently and egregiously than others, but there are too many umpires who think they get to make up the rule book (on balls/strikes) rather than applying it
by MjwW on May 16, 2025 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions
But several have been saying that the sixth pitch was a ball, yet you say that it isn't accurate.
Who should we trust than?An ump, who called it a strike?
by mr. maniac on May 16, 2025 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions
How is it not the furthest ball outside called a strike?
by pedrophile on May 16, 2025 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I don't seem to see the two pitches in question on the first graph
I only saw the at bat over reply once, but it looked like the final strike was high and outside. But maybe just high?
by Woodland League on May 16, 2025 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions
It was just high.
Look at the replay, as it was really close.
by mr. maniac on May 16, 2025 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks
I was looking at the first graph from he pitcher’s perspective, so it looked like it would have been high and inside, which I knew wasn’t right from watching the video. Got it now though. Umpire’s perspective.
by Woodland League on May 16, 2025 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions
The Last Pitch
Was definitely out of the strikezone. As was noted above, the 1.5 ft - 3.5 feet is just an approximate estimate of the height of the strikezone. Lawrie is 6’0 so a pitch that is 43 inches off the ground is probably in the neighborhood of 6 inches above his waste. Add in the perceived benefit that most players get by crouching down a few inches and it’s definitely a pitch that’s called high the vast majority of the time.
by Dfarth on May 16, 2025 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Not to mention
Look at that pitch graph from Rodney - there’s no sign of control at all. It’s an awful pitching performance. I don’t know how you give the benefit of the doubt to the pitcher on that last call when he’s shown no signs of control the entire AB.
by Woodland League on May 16, 2025 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
This is some of the dumbest stuff I have read yet.
Did you watch the inning? Rodney wasn’t a control artist, but he knew what he was doing.
by mr. maniac on May 16, 2025 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I didn't watch the inning
But based on that AB alone, and the pitch chart, I don’t know how you can say he knew what he was doing. Especially when he left a full count change up just high of the zone??
by Woodland League on May 16, 2025 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions
your chart of Lawrie’s AB is full of errant points btw. You should ask that it be deleted it and repost the correct one (which is below).
3-2 change high in the zone….he knew what he was doing…lol.
by Woodland League on May 16, 2025 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions
If you watch the video
of the second strike call (the one way outside), after Lawrie starts to run to first he turns around and walks back. He’s pretty annoyed. A lot of players do this, even if it shows up the ump a little bit. Bad on Lawrie, but it’s not uncommon. What’s interesting is when Lawrie is picking up his bat, he avoids looking at the ump. But then the ump walks over home plate and Lawrie shoots a look over his way, like the ump just said something, maybe directed at him. The ump then says something out to the pitcher. I wonder what he said that made Lawrie look in his direction and if it was related to the previous pitch.
by Woodland League on May 16, 2025 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not sure how to post a pic
that’s just on your desktop, but here’s the link to the gameday classic version on mlb.com. You can find Lawrie’s AB in the 9th. That diagram of the AB looks even worse.
http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/gameday/index.jsp?gid=2012_05_15_tbamlb_tormlb_1&mode=gameday#gid=2012_05_15_tbamlb_tormlb_1&mode=classic
by Woodland League on May 16, 2025 12:25 PM EDT reply actions
Right, but gameday isn't normalized
Pitch f/x is far from perfect in its raw form. You should probably be trusting the normalized stuff above over what you see on gameday.
by nixa37 on May 16, 2025 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
oh wow
way ahead of me. I’d love to hear an explanation at some point in the future since it sounds interesting. But for now I’ll just ignore what I think I know and defer to you. :)
by Woodland League on May 16, 2025 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
It should be noted that the top of the box is always 3.5' above the plate.
It’s a rough average for strikezone height. It has no relation to Lawrie’s strikezone, and shouldn’t be taken as such.
by PissedMick on May 16, 2025 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions
I was going to say...
That last strike looked a lot higher than “just out of the zone.”
by asyouwish33 on May 16, 2025 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions
That's because of the movement in Lawrie upper body as he tracked the pitch
His upper body shifts down considerably by the time the ball is crossing the plate, but that has no effect on the upper bound of the strike zone. If you actually just watch the catcher’s glove in relation to Lawrie body, he catches the ball just about belt high (which obviously means it crossed higher than that, but not nearly as high as you seem to think).
by nixa37 on May 16, 2025 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Wil Myers
to AAA btw!!!
Odorizzi too. Whoo hooo!!!
by Woodland League on May 16, 2025 12:35 PM EDT reply actions
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