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Prospect of the Day: Billy Hamilton, SS, Cincinnati Reds


Prospect of the Day: Billy Hamilton, SS, Cincinnati Reds

Cincinnati Reds shortstop prospect Billy Hamilton generates a wry joke in scouting circles: on the traditional 20-80 scouting scale, his speed rates as 90. He's most likely the fastest runner in professional baseball and one of the best overall athletes, and he's stolen 35 bases in 35 games this year for the Bakersfield Blaze in the High-A California League. Do the rest of his skills match up with the speed, and what does his future look like?

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Billy Hamilton was drafted by the Reds in the second round in 2009, from high school in Taylorsville, Mississippi. His amazing speed made him a top recruit as a wide receiver for Mississippi State, but he chose baseball instead; a $623,000 bonus helped with that decision. He hit just .205/.253/.277 in 43 games in the Gulf Coast League after signing, but demonstrated his speed with 14 steals in 17 attempts. Moved up to Billings in the Pioneer League for 2010, he hit .318/.383/.456 with 28 walks and 56 strikeouts in 283 at-bats, swiping 48 bases in 57 attempts.

Promoted to the Low-A Midwest League for 2011, he hit .278/.340/.360 last year, with 52 walks and 133 strikeouts in 550 at-bats. Most impressively, he stole 103 bases in 123 attempts. He has been on fire at Bakersfield this season, hitting .345/.413/.521 thus far with 16 walks and 27 strikeouts in 142 at-bats to go with the 35 steals. He's stolen 138 bases while being caught just 29 times in his last 170 games.

Hamilton is a 6-1, 160 pound switch-hitter, born September 9th, 1990. His speed is tremendous and he's adept at using it on the bases; unlike many speedsters, he has good technique, and he's so fast he often outruns any mistakes he does make. The rest of his hitting game is steadily coming along. He doesn't have home run power and probably won't develop much, but he has ability to lace the gaps, making him a threat for more doubles and triples as he matures. His plate discipline is gradually improving, and he's done a good job reducing his strikeouts this year. He's still learning finer points of the game like bunting, but he understands that anything he does to leverage his speed and get on base more frequently is to his advantage.

Defense has been an issue. His range up the middle plays well, but his arm and hands are marginal for shortstop and he needs to do a better job with routine plays. Many scouts think he'll wind up at second base and he did play 55 games there in 2010, although he's been a full-time shortstop since. It makes sense to leave him at short as long as possible to see how much he improves, but even as a second baseman (or an outfielder), his disruptive speed and improving on-base skills would be highly intriguing.

Some people have compared Hamilton's ability on the bases to that of Rickey Henderson, although I doubt he'll develop the kind of power that Rickey did. A comp with less power development would be Vince Coleman, who had his weaknesses but also led the National League in stolen bases six times. Hamilton's overall ceiling is certainly higher than Coleman's turned out to be, although for all of his ability to disrupt the defense, Hamilton's long-term value will likely depend a great deal on where he ends up with the glove.



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In reading scouting reports and talking with people smarter than me, it's almost unanimous Hamilton won't be a SS

in the major leagues.

IMO, a guy with his speed would be wasted at second base, I’d like to see Cincinnati send Hamilton to the AFL this year and see if they can make a left fielder out of him, similar to what the Mariners did a couple of years ago with Dustin Ackley.

If it works out, great, his speed is better utilized in LF than at 2B, and if it doesn’t, no harm, no foul.

Ackley’s ended up a pretty decent 2B so far, don’t hear the Mariners complaining much, and the six weeks in AZ didn’t impact his timetable.

by mlbprospectpulse on May 17, 2025 8:52 AM EDT reply actions  

LF is waste too...

put him in CF and let his athleticism take over. His arm will be well below average but his speed will be elite.

LF IMO should be a last resort after all other options are exhausted.

by dj07551 on May 17, 2025 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

both are useless

in the OF he’s nothing more than Joey gathright, the only way he keeps his value is if he stays at SS

by ScottAZ on May 17, 2025 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

What does Joey Gathright have to do with it?

If Hamilton can become a good defensive CF or a bad defensive SS, then he’s clearly more valuable as a CF. If he hits like Gathright, he’s not going to be very good either way.

by psiogen on May 17, 2025 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Boom!

I thought I was in an alternate universe. Then you spoke.

by HeavyHitter on May 17, 2025 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

everything

because players like Hamilton and Gathright come along ALL the time and are one in the same. The ONLY player like that to have any success in recent vintage is Juan Pierre. Hamilton’s ave is completely dependent on BAIP and he doesn’t even put the ball in play all that much for a guy of that skill set. Look at his K’s. Those walks will come down as he continues to move up the ladder and pitchers just pound him inside because he has ZERO power. Gathright put up similar numbers in the minors, as did numerous other speedsters that simply slapped at the ball and took advantage of poor minor league pitcher controll and shoddy minor league defense. Gathright even has put up decent averages in the majors, but that ALL he does. He’s fast and can hit for a decent average. No power, no walks. What do you get with that skill set? A standard 4th OFer.
Doesn’t matter if he takes well to CF, he’s not going to be a long term starter there. Again, name one player in the past 20 years with Hamilton’s skill set that has started on a long term basis OTHER than Juan Pierre

by ScottAZ on May 18, 2025 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Michael Bourn, Brett Gardner

Those guys immediately jump to mind as Hamiltons ceiling offensively.

by dougdirt on May 18, 2025 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gathright's career minor league ISO was .048; Hamilton's is .105

At the same age Billy Hamilton is now, Gathright was hitting .264/.360/.269 in low-A — that’s 244 PA, 55 hits, 54 singles, 1 double. Now that is zero power.

by psiogen on May 19, 2025 1:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

my video from last weekend

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bo_HNhO6u8o

shows a little more of the swing and glove

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by SoCalSoxFan on May 17, 2025 11:04 AM EDT reply actions  

Thanks for the link

Nice game there for Hamilton. Still think he could be more balanced at the plate, but he is making progress.

I like his right handed swing a lot more than his left handed swing.

by dougdirt on May 17, 2025 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Balance

Think the balance wouldn’t be as big of an issue if he could add some good muscle to those legs. Has quick shoulder + hip action so he needs a stronger lower base.

by RedHopeful on May 17, 2025 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

swing

definitely better from the right side, we exchanged a few emails about the swing and everyone liked it better from that side. He didn’t get a lot of chances at short, most notable was a would be DP ball that he kinda wiffed on. The ball came up a little on him, but I think a lot of SS’s make the play. It was ruled a hit though.

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by SoCalSoxFan on May 17, 2025 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Puzzling perceptions

I find it interesting that there is such a difference in the way that Billy Hamilton and Anthony Gose are perceived. Hamilton is an almost universally acclaimed elite prospect while opinions on Gose range across the entire spectrum. Considering that Gose and Hamilton are essentially the exact same age (1 month’s difference) I can’t help but wonder why age-context performance is ignored with Gose and whether he wouldn’t be considered more kindly in comparison if he was running roughshod over A+ ball like Hamilton instead of playing AAA. Gose is an elite defender and base-runner playing a premium position with moderate power potential and good walk rates but with contact issues as a 21 year old in AAA. Hamilton is likely the best base-runner in MILB and possesses decent contact skills and good walk rates but is a poor defender and has almost no power potential while playing in A+. Any thoughts as to why Hamilton is more highly regarded?

by IamDeadHoratio on May 17, 2025 11:26 AM EDT reply actions  

I agree

Gose has much better power, is more likely to maintain/improve the walk rates, has a defined defensive home.
if gose was a yankee, red sox, phlllies prospect he’d get much more hype, but the american media and most fans ignore toronto

by ScottAZ on May 17, 2025 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Disagree

I think the perception is that Hamilton is more likely to get on base. If you can’t hit, you ain’t fit.

by HeavyHitter on May 17, 2025 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

why is that?

He K’s, and the few walks he’s getting will come down as he moves up. At least Gose has real power so the walk numbers are somewhat sustainable. I’d rather has Gose and hope for a guy that hit .240 with 60 walks and 20 homers and GG defense than Hamilton hit .280 with 30 walks, 0 homers, and defense unknown

by ScottAZ on May 18, 2025 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

i called in baseball america show on xm with a hamilton questions 2 wks ago

my arguement is hamilton’s primary value lies on whether he can remain at SS.
he has shown little power (even in the cal league, the triples will decrease as he moves up) and his walk rate will drop as pitchers will just pound him inside.
you can argue that a line of 280/320/350 in the OF with world class speed is basically joey gathright. that production from a wide-ranging SS is borderline allstar.
if i were the reds i’d take the fall and winter to REALLY work with him at SS and figure out once and for all if it will work. He has the range and instincts, his hands aren’t bad. Everything i’ve read and saw during ST was his armslot. he drops it and throws 2 seemers to 1b.

by ScottAZ on May 17, 2025 12:17 PM EDT reply actions  

Hamilton

While I am with you that he is much more valuable at short that anywhere else and that his arm slot is part of the problem that he has been working on for over a year now, his hands are the biggest concern when it comes to him and shortstop. He simply isn’t viewed as having all that good of hands.

by dougdirt on May 17, 2025 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is that

your video up top? trying to find a better way to get a stop watch in the video. I woulda put it on there more, but it was 1 in the a.m., and my daughter doesn’t let me sleep in much ;)

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by SoCalSoxFan on May 17, 2025 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, my video

What I did for the stop watch was just record the one on my phone with my video camera. Then just scaled it down to size in the video. While editing I just go frame by frame for when to start and when to stop. I just have one clip of like 18 seconds from 0-18.00 and then edit in the time with text when it needs to stop. Takes a few extra minutes to do, but nothing major.

by dougdirt on May 17, 2025 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

cool thanks

pretty much what I do, seems like when I try to put it in though, video gets a little glitchy. Still playing around with it.

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by SoCalSoxFan on May 18, 2025 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

any chance

of Phillips moving to 3b when Rolen retires and Hamilton go to 2B?
a Phillips/Cozart/Hamilton infield would have the most range of ANY since probably the mid 80s Cardinals with Ozzie/Pendleton/Herr

by ScottAZ on May 17, 2025 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hope not

Phillips, nor Cozart profile as an ideal third baseman. I would rather find a real third baseman than have someone slide over there who can’t really do enough at the position, I have been watching that in Cincinnati for my entire life.

by dougdirt on May 17, 2025 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I've seen faster.

Doesn’t look light speed on video. Joey Gathright was the fastest I’ve seen in the last 7,8 years.

by Matty Kid on May 17, 2025 2:02 PM EDT reply actions  

fastest I saw live

in the minors was probably Bonifacio. . .seemed like had a hard time turning because he was goin so fast. Also Trout, and even Andruw Jones, routinely made routine grounders close at first.

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by SoCalSoxFan on May 17, 2025 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Trout

the thing about trout is his speed for such a big guy. He’s about 6’1", 220 pounds and I think that gives the impression that he’s faster than he really is.
He isn’t as fast as the “true” burners listed and guys like Hamilton, Gathright, etc are realistically a half a grade to a full grade above him

by ScottAZ on May 17, 2025 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

aggression, too

Trout doesn’t have that kind of rare speed, but he gets great jumps and runs VERY hard.

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by mrkupe on May 18, 2025 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's an 80 run

right now, may slow down due to the build, but you don’t have to be frail to be a burner.

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by SoCalSoxFan on May 18, 2025 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

joey was faster IMO than Hamilton. Gathright is the fastest baseball player I’ve seen in person

by ScottAZ on May 17, 2025 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

I look at Hamilton and I see Eric Yelding. Speed and nothing else

by Eugene Banks on May 18, 2025 12:17 AM EDT reply actions  

agree to an extent

and thats why i argue that he loses any value if he has to move off SS. At SS a guy with world changing speed that can hit .280 has great value. Anywhere else he is a 4th OFer/utility guy

by ScottAZ on May 18, 2025 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions  


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