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MiLB 4-19-2012

Another day of minor league action about to get underway, here we go-

Notable Starters-

AAA- Jordan Lyles, Mike Montgomery, Alex Cobb, Andrew Brackman, John Ely v. Travis Wood

AA- Danny Hultzen, Nate Eovaldi, Dae-Eun Rhee, Barrett Loux, Patrick Corbin, Sonny Gray, Ariel Pena, JC Sulbaran, Darin Gorski, Jose Cisnero (under the radar guy looking to maintain 0.00 ERA)

A+- J-Mo Taillon, Asher Wojciechowski, Jesse Biddle, Nicholas Tepesch, Anthony Meo

A- Parker Bridwell, Nicholas Tropeano, Raul Alcantara

Exciting day as an Astros fan with Lyles, Tropeano and Cisnero toeing the rubber. Now if we could just get Springer out of this funk....

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fairly intriguing pitching day for the Cubs

AAA - Travis Wood.
AA - Dae-Eun Rhee.
A+ - Zach Cates.
A - Ben Wells.

Wells has had a fairly good start to the year. with the walk rate down so far and strikeout rate up. He’s on a piggyback routine, though, so he likely won’t be on a heavy workload, at least, until summer. I still believe strongly in the breaking ball’s potential. Cates has had an absolutely horrific start to the year, but hey, 2 bad outings can happen. His “pedigree” as a McLeod pick likely earns him a lot more rope, though. Rhee and Wood are fairly similar guys in some respects - both armed with plus changes and solid velo on the fastball. Both have mid-rotation ceilings.

by toonsterwu on Apr 19, 2025 5:21 PM EDT reply actions  

I'm a Wells fan too.

Pretty solid upside.

by charles wallace on Apr 19, 2025 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Michael Kickham, Noel Arguelles, Trevor Miller, Logan Darnell, Kyle Winkler also going...

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mlb-big-league-stew/photo-logan-morrison-bryan-petersen-share-tub-drink-043548597.html

by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Apr 19, 2025 6:29 PM EDT reply actions  

Michael Kickham

3IP, 6H, 4ER, 2BB, 2K

by wilriv21 on Apr 19, 2025 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bryce Harper

1-2, 3 BB’s , 1 K

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mlb-big-league-stew/photo-logan-morrison-bryan-petersen-share-tub-drink-043548597.html

by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Apr 19, 2025 6:30 PM EDT reply actions  

Wil Middlebrooks

2-5, HR (5)

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mlb-big-league-stew/photo-logan-morrison-bryan-petersen-share-tub-drink-043548597.html

by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Apr 19, 2025 6:30 PM EDT reply actions  

Nick Tropeano

Rolling again- 4 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 1 BB, 4 K, 3-2 GO-FO

I think it’s time he gets promotion. His ERA sits at 0.60 and he has 22 strikeouts in 15 IP.

by kyuss94 on Apr 19, 2025 8:10 PM EDT reply actions  

NO

Don’t promote him right now. 6 IP, 7 K, 1 BB, 2 H, 0 R.

by auclairkeithbc on Apr 19, 2025 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

final line

8 IP, 4 H, 0 R, 2 BB, 9 K

by kyuss94 on Apr 19, 2025 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Holy shit.

Do we actually have a legit pitching prospect in Houston that we drafted?

by YohannDookeyblue on Apr 20, 2025 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yep

His name is Jordan Lyles.

Heh, I’m partly kidding, but don’t jump the gun on Tropeano… I do think he’s a pretty good bet to be a #4 guy in the majors, maybe there’s a chance for a bit more, but his performance so far is SSS from a college pitcher in single A ball.

http://www.crawfishboxes.com

by OremLK on Apr 20, 2025 8:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

meanwhile

Lyles is striking out a batter per inning as a 21-year-old in a brutally tough league on pitchers at the highest non-MLB level. I still say he’s underrated. He won’t light up the radar gun and he won’t win a Cy Young, but with his age and build and savvy and floor, it wouldn’t surprise me one bit to see him put up 15 MLB seasons as a 3-5 WAR pitcher.

by richieabernathy on Apr 20, 2025 9:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

ok

Those are subjective adjectives, of course, but he’s always been way ahead of the curve on ARL. He’s 6’4", 210. At that age, I’d say that is a nice workhouse body. He obviously got battered in his taste of MLB last year as a 20-year-old. Again, this is subjective, but I did like his approach and pitchability. Of course, everyone’s floor is being out of baseball and working nights at the shipping yard, but I think Lyles’ floor is a solid player.

by richieabernathy on Apr 20, 2025 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

sure

He has pretty good pitchability, excellent poise, and an okay repertoire of pitches.

He still reminds me of the younger Brandon McCarthy. Lyles is and will be the better pitcher in terms of skill, but McCarthy’s offerings were better. Similarities in approach.

One thing to watch is that he’s gotten a ton of groundball outs this year. Maybe he’s just on a roll for the moment, but maybe there are adjustments being made. Still would need to hold up in the majors . . .Lyles didn’t exactly struggle with AAA last year, after all.

by mrkupe on Apr 20, 2025 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

McCarthy

is a pretty damned good comp. Of course, the value lasts longer should Lyles establish himself accordingly much earlier in his career than McCarthy. The groundball rate is something that needed improving and could mean all the difference in the world for a guy with Lyles’ stuff.

by richieabernathy on Apr 20, 2025 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

well, McCarthy's problem was that he sucked

The White Sox traded him in part because they believed him to have “coachability issues”, briefly put. He ended up in Texas, couldn’t make adjustments on his own, got hurt, and basically ended up having to bite the bullet and completely rebuild himself.

Against major league pitching, I would guess that Lyles is always going to give up his share of homers, and that’s fine. If he can keep runners off the basepaths otherwise, he should hold his own.

by mrkupe on Apr 20, 2025 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

+1

by richieabernathy on Apr 20, 2025 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Enjoyed watching Lyles

last year, but didn’t see a put-away pitch yet. He’d get ahead and then be forced to waste pitches.

by charles wallace on Apr 20, 2025 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Changeup

His changeup is a true plus pitch in my opinion

http://www.crawfishboxes.com

by OremLK on Apr 20, 2025 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

agreed, but

Not easy for a RH starter to use a changeup as a swing-and-miss, true out pitch.

by mrkupe on Apr 20, 2025 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fair enough

It helps that his other secondary pitches are pretty damn good. Maybe not plus pitches, but solid.

http://www.crawfishboxes.com

by OremLK on Apr 20, 2025 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

splits

Changeup pitchers are generally more effective against opposite handed batters. Pitchers who favor their breaking balls are generally more effective against alike-handed batters. So changeup-oriented RHPs are going to be at a bit of a natural disadvantage.

That’s not to say that it’s a wholly ineffective method of pitching by any stretch of the imagination - good changeups can still cause poor contact, and obviously there are a few RHPs who have done exceptionally well by emphasizing the changeup.

by mrkupe on Apr 20, 2025 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Precisely...

That was the reason why many switch-hitters would stand in as LHBs against Tom Glavine (a LHP), to neutralize his changeup, which was much more effective than his breaking ball.

by dbreer23 on Apr 20, 2025 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I haven't moved off my belief that

He has the ceiling of a good #3 starter. He should be back in the majors midseason and I don’t expect him to go back down again.

http://www.crawfishboxes.com

by OremLK on Apr 20, 2025 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Really good

I still think he’s really really. He reached AAA when he was 19, pitched in MLB at 20. He’s got a lot of time left on his clock to get back to near 10K/9, like when he was 18 and in the SAL. He up to 9K/9 this year in 3 starts. Let’s put things in perspective a bit.

by Woodland League on Apr 20, 2025 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Read:

“really really good.” That was quite the boner.

by Woodland League on Apr 20, 2025 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

who's complaining about stats?

I love stats. But they’re the result of a process and I’d like to know why you think Lyles’ particular process suggests that he will be “really really good” in the major leagues.

by mrkupe on Apr 20, 2025 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Age and minor league K rate for starters

which have been shown to have tremendous predictive value when judging prospects. In fact, a number of posts on this page and other MiLB daily rundowns have effusive praise about prospects that are K-ing a high rate of batter at a level advanced for their age. Are taking exception with those as well? Not to mention Lyles is in the most hitter friendly park and has only walked 2 batters. So he’s K-ing at a high rate again while still staying in the zone, and not having hard contact against him.

Why do you ignore all these strong predictive values? Based on excellent performance, age, pitching environment, etc, what leads you to believe he won’t be?

by Woodland League on Apr 20, 2025 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

who says I'm ignoring them?

You seem to be making an awful lot of (extremely erroneous) assumptions about how I think and what I am thinking.

I asked you if you had anything other than his age and his strikeout rate. Twice, even. If you don’t have anything, just say so, there’s no harm.

Oh, and FYI: Oklahoma City is actually favorable to pitchers - it is definitely not “the most hitter friendly park”.

by mrkupe on Apr 20, 2025 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hitter league

Correction made, but the Internet should have been obvious. So I actually gave you a number of reasons to be optimistic and that justify his previous highly ranked status. It is you, actually, that has offered nothing to the contrary. Do you have anything? You’re Socratic method is 15 minutes late. Long past time for you to offer seething.

Duh, no doy.

by Mike Kaluk on Apr 20, 2025 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

of course I have "anything"

He has very ordinary fastball velocity (89.8 mph avg last year in the majors) and one secondary that would grade as plus. It’s not a package that is ever going to miss a lot of bats against quality competition. And it’s why I mentioned that he is going to give up his share of home runs - his margin for error is just not very high at all. It’s a credit to his skill that we’re able to talk about him as a pretty good pitching prospect nonetheless - a RHP with below-average fastbal velocity, average breaking stuff, and a good change does not typically get very high regard.

Unrelated, but if you were unaware, multiple accounts are a no go around here.

by mrkupe on Apr 20, 2025 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes

Thank you, one was an older account that I don’t use anymore. But the device I was using was responsible for both the typing errors and the accidental log in. Thanks for the housekeeping reminder.

I think you ought to give a little more consideration to his age once again. He has plenty of time to add tools and his success and pitchability with lesser than stellar tools is way ahead of his age. You seem to be stuck on some scouting reports from last year. He’s making progress this year, which you’d expect from a 20 year old.

by Woodland League on Apr 20, 2025 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I almost never use ARL when it comes to pitchers

I do use experience-relative-to-league a lot, but age alone doesn’t really tell you a lot.

Referencing your post to pedro below . . .Lyles does not pitch 90-92 mph. As I mentioned before, his average velocity in the majors last year (perhaps buoyed by his relief work) was 89.8 mph. He already throws a cutter (OremLK has referred to it as a “cutter-slider hybrid”) and it is a decent pitch, although it comes in 2-4 mph slower than his usual fastball. His changeup is his best pitch.

I obviously haven’t ignored anything. You’re the one who seems fixated on basing your analysis around a logical fallacy.

by mrkupe on Apr 20, 2025 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would say Lyles pitches 87-93

To be specific. But yes, his average velocity is about 90.

http://www.crawfishboxes.com

by OremLK on Apr 21, 2025 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

He throws a slider

in addition to the cut. I suggest you look it up. I also suggest you look up the data on the drop on his 4S fastball, which is significant. You are ignoring a lot, or ignorant. It seems like the latter though, so it’s not intentional.

by Woodland League on Apr 21, 2025 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

okay, I'm done

You’re veering into blatantly personal attacks now, and I’m not interested in getting into that with you.

by mrkupe on Apr 21, 2025 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

This argument is circling

K rates are one of the best predictors. But the K rates are just results, the process is what matters.

Why do these pitchers typically succeed with high K rates. It’s because of their stuff, their location, their sequencing. They never succeed in MLB because of historical numbers.

When looking at good predictors like K rate the question is what is causing these high K rates and is this likely to continue as they move up.

Some pitchers have mediocre stuff but great sequencing of multiple pitches that minor leaguers can’t handle. This isn’t likely to hold up.

Do you get where kupe is coming from now?

ps: there are guys at the opposite end of the spectrum. The guys without the supporting predictive values but have the process to get those numbers. For example Casey Kelly. He has the stuff and athleticism but lacked sequencing and movement on his fastball. The movement problem was fixed. The sequencing just needs experience.

by pedrophile on Apr 20, 2025 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think you’re a victim of over generalization and for ignoring critical factors. As I noted above, Lyles still has plenty of time to mprove upon his secondary offering. He also has time to add a cutter. He only has 3 starts this year, but it looks as if his cutter is getting far more ground balls this year. Kupe was wrong about his offerings as well. A 20 year old with an average change is nt a shocker. So no worries. His FB is 90-92. If he succeeds in adding Some cut that could become a plus offering. He also has a slider that was used a lot last year. I’m simply pointing out that Kupe’s analysis seemed to ignore key predictive values without qualification. Based on his accelerated path. I think it’s ludicrous at this point to say that he’ll be an avg MLB pitcher, and that there’s still significant reason for optimism. You don’t have to be such a lemming.

by Woodland League on Apr 20, 2025 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also

Please show evidence that sequencing alone has made Lyles successful in MiLB. You should verify these claims as you make them, it’d help your argument. You might want to instead refer to the increasing movement on Lyles’s pitches as he’s gotten older. It might help you move off that baseless sequencing argument.

by Woodland League on Apr 20, 2025 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

read my post again

please find one reference to Lyles.

by pedrophile on Apr 21, 2025 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

So, you're not saying

That’s the case for Lyles? Why bring it up then?

by Woodland League on Apr 21, 2025 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

What I said was backing up Kupe

where he wanted to hear something other than peripherals indicating future success. Those peripherals are the result. What he wanted to know was if there was something in the process that would support future success(ie fastball velocity, fastball movement, secondaries, etc.).

I didn’t state whether Lyles had the stuff or didn’t have the stuff. I don’t know, have never seen him pitch.

So I was just clarifying his question, it was a question.

Maybe you would have been able to answer it.

by pedrophile on Apr 21, 2025 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lyles was apparently sitting at 93 on Thursday. The Houston front office had been working on his delivery to take advantage of his big, athletic frame in hopes of helping his velocity, this spring.

At this point in his career, his command really isn’t great. It’s not bad, but he misses up in the middle of the strike zone quite a bit. He did it in MLB last year and he still does it in AAA. I mention this because I think it’s assumed that he had success strictly based on his command and control and pitchability.

He got rushed pretty stupidly by Ed Wade last year, and I think it’s a great move letting him develop further in AAA. He’s still very young and has plenty of room for improvement.

by MadMartygan on Apr 22, 2025 1:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

two surprising things

1. Tim Alderson got promoted to AAA Indianapolis and pitched three relief innings with one hit, one walk, 3 Ks, and no runs.

2. Tim Alderson is the youngest player on the Indianapolis roster.

Not actually affiliated with whygavs.

by WHYG Zane Smith on Apr 19, 2025 8:11 PM EDT reply actions  

long toss

Check out this article.

http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/03/tim-alderson-returns-to-long-toss-sees-velocity-return.html

by ROBERTS04 on Apr 19, 2025 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sano

Goes Boom. Monster. HR #6

by jjoyen on Apr 19, 2025 8:18 PM EDT reply actions  

Planning an early July trip to Beloit

At this rate, he’ll be in Florida already…
sigh

by purppride1 on Apr 19, 2025 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not according to today's BA chat:

Jim Callis: I bet he stays in Beloit all year. The Twins tend to be patient with their youngsters, and he won’t turn 19 until May 11. The power is impressive, but he still needs to work on making more contact and improving defensively. This isn’t that bold, but I suspect he’ll occupy the No. 1 spot when I do our Midwest League Top 20 Prospects list.

by noelman31 on Apr 19, 2025 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

2-4, HR, K

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mlb-big-league-stew/photo-logan-morrison-bryan-petersen-share-tub-drink-043548597.html

by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Apr 19, 2025 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

BB also

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mlb-big-league-stew/photo-logan-morrison-bryan-petersen-share-tub-drink-043548597.html

by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Apr 19, 2025 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Justin Nicolino

3IP | 1H | 0R | 0BB | 3K

3-3 FO-GO

by MjwW on Apr 19, 2025 8:18 PM EDT reply actions  

Nice line

Let’s just hope it doesn’t start another shitstorm

by kyuss94 on Apr 19, 2025 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Asher Wojo

6IP | 6H | 1R/ER | 1BB | 1K

Will add some more notes, but struggled with command early, some hard hit balls, got in a nice rhythm in the 3-4-5 setting down 10 straight.

by MjwW on Apr 19, 2025 8:28 PM EDT reply actions  

Jonathan Schoop

Homer. His first. Hopefully this is the beginning of the end of his slump to start the season.

by oriolekid on Apr 19, 2025 8:30 PM EDT reply actions  

He also had 2 walks

He’s numbers don’t suggest he is being over-match has been hitting better lately so hopefully this is the start of a nice run.

XandyMan Coming for you!!!!1

by DominicanDandy on Apr 20, 2025 1:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

yea

8 for his last 25 w/ 5bb/4k - looks pretty good and he is in AA to start only his 2nd full length season

by hybrid on Apr 20, 2025 2:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

Raul alcantara with another rocky start

6 IP, 7 H, 2 ER, 2 BB, 1 HBP, 2 K’s

Snoochies

by guessatomo on Apr 19, 2025 9:10 PM EDT reply actions  

Aaron Sanchez

3IP | 1H | 0R | 1BB | 3K

4GB, 1FB, 1LD. Gave up 3 hard hit balls in the first two innings, lucky to get away without any damage and just the one hit. 2K looking. 44 pitches, 26 strikes. Didn’t really hear anything about the FB velo, but the announcers thought the CB was sharp. He had some trouble locating it though, walked the one batter after getting ahead 0-2 and then missing with 2 or 3 CB trying to finish him off. It was better in the third. I only counted 3 swinging strikes, so that’s a little low.

Through 36 innings, the quartet of Syndergaard, DeSclafani, Nicolino and Sanchez has allowed 2R, 1 ER

by MjwW on Apr 19, 2025 9:14 PM EDT reply actions  

Taillon, put up a man's line

8 IP 5 H 0 BB 1 ER 9 K

by sourstuff on Apr 19, 2025 9:14 PM EDT reply actions  

That's milb.com error

According to people on twitter

by Woo! on Apr 19, 2025 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

you're right

there are a shit ton of conflicting reports

by sourstuff on Apr 19, 2025 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lest he be doubted,

six strikeouts in each game, and an 18:2 K:BB to start the year.

by charles wallace on Apr 19, 2025 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is the correct line

They never had him being subbed out after the 5th inning, but as pointed out below 18:2 K:BB and 18:13.2 K/IP

Great start to the season for the kid. I know people hate the “kid’s gloves” but if he can pitch 5 innings every start, I think that’s perfectly acceptable.

by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Apr 19, 2025 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ha

Nice save, sourstuff.

by Matt0330 on Apr 20, 2025 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dad,

Mom has been trying to get a hold of you. We never got your last two child support checks! I’m sure they are coming though right dad?

by son.of.sourman on Apr 19, 2025 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

you know what

old Jack Burton says at a time like this.

by sourstuff on Apr 19, 2025 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Please tell me you're kidding

Big Trouble in Little China was pretty much the talmud for kids with premium cable in the late 1980s/early 1990s.

by Matt0330 on Apr 20, 2025 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

He says...

“…what the hell.”

by dbreer23 on Apr 19, 2025 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

or...

“Hollow?”
“Hollow.”
“F&*k it!”

by dbreer23 on Apr 19, 2025 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

'You never can tell..'

Is my guess, but these all make sense. Burton’s collection of lines are pretty much the panacea for any number of situations.

by Matt0330 on Apr 20, 2025 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who?

by High and Inside on Apr 19, 2025 9:24 PM EDT reply actions  

Trevor Story

2-2 BB, SB

I see a big move up prospect lists in his future.

by sethbeno on Apr 19, 2025 9:35 PM EDT reply actions  

stud

go long with extenze...i do

by angelsownredsux on Apr 19, 2025 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hultzen cruisin along

6.0 Innings, 1 Hit, 4K, 7-4 GO/FO

Leader of Drew Vettleson fanclub

by Marinerfanjake on Apr 19, 2025 9:40 PM EDT reply actions  

Done

Went 6.1 Innings 1 Hit, 2 BBs, 5K

Leader of Drew Vettleson fanclub

by Marinerfanjake on Apr 19, 2025 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hultzen on the year:

16 IP
6 H
0 HR
5 ER
21 K

by PissedMick on Apr 19, 2025 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

forgot the 8 BB

the only blemish.

by PissedMick on Apr 19, 2025 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

J.T. Realmuto lives

3 for 5 with a double, homer

by charles wallace on Apr 19, 2025 9:42 PM EDT reply actions  

Gabe Lino

2 for 3 with a double, walk

by charles wallace on Apr 19, 2025 9:43 PM EDT reply actions  

sonny gray throwing a grayt (wow...did i really just do that?....sigh) game so far, dunno if he's done or not

6 ip, 2 hits, 0 earned runs, 5 k’s, 1 bb, 8-1!!! groundout-flyout ratio (good things happen when you keep the ball low in the zone), and has just thrown 69 (giggity) pitches

Snoochies

by guessatomo on Apr 19, 2025 9:44 PM EDT reply actions  

Kyle Waldrop

Not sure if he’s done, 1 for 3 with a triple. Impressive plate discipline so far.

by charles wallace on Apr 19, 2025 9:44 PM EDT reply actions  

Not done

finished 2 for 5 and added a strikeout.

by charles wallace on Apr 20, 2025 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

J.R. Graham putting it together

7IP 6H 1R 1ER 1BB 6K.

by charles wallace on Apr 19, 2025 9:51 PM EDT reply actions  

Like that dude

Sure he’s ‘smallish’, but that’s a nice fourth round pick to say the least.

by Matt0330 on Apr 20, 2025 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

B.J. Hermsen eerily similar

7IP 5H 1R 1ER 1BB 6K.

by charles wallace on Apr 19, 2025 9:52 PM EDT reply actions  

The K's are picking up..... I've always thought if he finally starts K' ing people LOOK OUT.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mlb-big-league-stew/photo-logan-morrison-bryan-petersen-share-tub-drink-043548597.html

by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Apr 19, 2025 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd still

want to hear a scouting report. Unless he’s throwing the ball past guys I’m not buying.

by charles wallace on Apr 20, 2025 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ariel Pena stumbles

4IP 6H 5R 5ER 3BB 3K.

by charles wallace on Apr 19, 2025 9:54 PM EDT reply actions  

Cal League

I spend most of my time on East Coast teams, so I was curious how much a hitters park Lancaster is? I know the Cal league overall is a hitters league, but I’m trying to get a sense of the power surge we are seeing from Nash this season.

by ADLC on Apr 19, 2025 9:55 PM EDT reply actions  

lancaster is tremendously hitter friendly

like pretty much all the parks in the cal league, save maybe san jose giants stadium.

Snoochies

by guessatomo on Apr 19, 2025 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lake Elsinore is fine as well

High Desert & Lancaster are your two big offenders here. There are several parks that have played very pitching-friendly, actually.

by mrkupe on Apr 19, 2025 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

you have to take most power numbers with a grain of salt

kinda like head’s power numbers this year so far and choice’s numbers last year

Snoochies

by guessatomo on Apr 19, 2025 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

same deal

basically, fields in hot/dry climates like inland empire, lake elsinore, lancaster, and bakersfield tend to be more homer-prone

Snoochies

by guessatomo on Apr 19, 2025 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ok thanks

But does it affect a players ability to hit or is billy hamilton just hitting better so far this year?

by mattyice1515 on Apr 19, 2025 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

well, if a player hits more flyballs, then yes

if he’s a groundball/linedrive hitter, not as much.

Snoochies

by guessatomo on Apr 19, 2025 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Hangar

The JetHawks home is at a high elevation and there is also usually wind blowing out towards RF so yeah, it inflates power numbers

by bbtng on Apr 19, 2025 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Travis d'Arnaud

1/2 so far (still in action)…but hit his first HR of the year.

by jwa1417 on Apr 19, 2025 10:01 PM EDT reply actions  

Patrick Corbin

7 strong innings against the Biscuits

7 IP, 7 H, 2 R, 1 ER, 9/2 K/BB

If Collmenter struggles again, I think I’d rather they call up Corbin than move Miley into the rotation

by bbtng on Apr 19, 2025 10:12 PM EDT reply actions  

I thought that word around the league

Was that they’d throw Skaggs into the fire first

by kyuss94 on Apr 19, 2025 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Skaggs

Skaggs has the better stuff and ceiling obviously, but Corbin has 180 innings at Double A already. I think he should be rewarded by getting the first shot, but then I’m not Kevin Towers :)

by bbtng on Apr 19, 2025 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don't get me wrong, I like Corbin a lot

That was just the buzz I had read on a couple sites, though I can’t really recall exactly where

by kyuss94 on Apr 19, 2025 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Corbin

(sorry for the question)

Who would you rather own in a dynasty League: Jacob Turner or Pat Corbin?

by Rupert Pupkin on Apr 20, 2025 2:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

IIRC

Towers was so high on Skaggs - saying that he thinks he could be the next Kershaw (cue: Rose Colored Glasses). But I think he was less talking about his talent and more about his advanced timetable. So….it seems he has no hesitation about bring Skaggs to the majors at an aggressive pace. But Corbin seems to be a fine pitcher - he might get the call first. But he’s no top 15 talent like Skaggs. They might want to let Corbin get truly acclimated to advanced hitting by staying on a more predictable timetable.

by Woodland League on Apr 20, 2025 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Joe Wieland

getting smacked around again in the first inning

by jwa1417 on Apr 19, 2025 10:17 PM EDT reply actions  

turned it around!

turned in a solid outing. glad to see it

by jwa1417 on Apr 19, 2025 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow, I kind of stopped watching after that 1st.

Glad to see he only gave up 1 more hit through the next 5.

by bdlugz on Apr 20, 2025 1:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Awesome

For a guy with only 7 IP over AA.

by Woodland League on Apr 20, 2025 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

And under 100 at AA even, if I recall correctly.

He’s never going to dazzle you with stuff, but if he can control his offerings, he should be a decent middle of the rotation arm.

by bdlugz on Apr 20, 2025 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

i am a wieland fan

But as an admitted velo/upside whore, it is hard for me to get ‘un-flacid’ about him when he averages 89mph on the fb. I am afraid we are talking #4 ceiling.

by St.Steve on Apr 20, 2025 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I really don't disagree... he's likely a #4 starter, possibly a passable #3 if he gets lucky.

I read that he had added a little velocity to his fastball, but saw it was sitting 87-89 yesterday, so I guess we’ll have to wait and see.

by bdlugz on Apr 20, 2025 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I really can't see a No. 3 here

No offense to Wieland . . .but that’s really expanding the idea of what makes a No. 3 starter far beyond reasonable expectations.

Still, he does do some of the “little things” very well, so I could see him hanging around for a while. Sometimes guys like this make excellent dependable pen options.

by mrkupe on Apr 20, 2025 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't see why Wieland can't have a 3 upside if his velocity is up.

I’ve seen reports of him sitting in the 91-93 range and touching 95. Obviously that hasn’t happened in the majors yet, but if he can pull off plus velocity he is much more interesting.

by PissedMick on Apr 21, 2025 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

How about Jose Altuve so far?

Double and a triple tonight—batting .348 so far with .902 OPS.

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by OremLK on Apr 19, 2025 10:23 PM EDT reply actions  

by sourstuff on Apr 19, 2025 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Darvish vs DET

The good news? 6.1 innings (longest of 3 starts), 2 hits, 1 ER, 5 strikeouts

The bad? 121 pitches to get those 19 outs and walked 5 more guys.

13/14 BB/K in 17.2 YTD.

by rdf8585 on Apr 19, 2025 10:40 PM EDT reply actions  

I wish he was in Toronto

Oh well.

Anyhoo, I think he continues to get better & better. Big, impressive looking athlete and his stuff darts.

by Matt0330 on Apr 20, 2025 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

WV Power vs. River Dogs

Highlights:

Hanson: 2-5 with a K and 2B
Bell: 2-5 with 2B
Polanco: 2-4 with a BB and a 3B, 2 SB

River Dogs Highlights:

Williams: 2-4
Gumbs: 2-4 with 2 K, a 2B and HR (grand slam)
Stevenson: 2-3 with a 2B
Gary Sanchez: 2-4 with a BB and 3 SB

s.zielinski

by steve_z on Apr 19, 2025 10:43 PM EDT reply actions  

Nice

Maybe Gumbs is coming out of his early funk. He and Turley are my favorite Yankees sleepers.

by cookiedabookie on Apr 20, 2025 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

Polanco

Favorite “sleeper” of the moment. Maybe tied with Kyle Waldrop.

by charles wallace on Apr 20, 2025 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jays call up Drew Hutchison

MLB debut Saturday against Kansas City

by MjwW on Apr 19, 2025 11:09 PM EDT reply actions  

Is this a good thing for him?

21 y.o. has 6 AA starts under his belt. I don’t know the particulars about this kid and how Toronto handles its pitching prospects. Is this move surprising to anyone?

"Hosmer right in between Carter and Alvarez…. what is this list based on? height?" -- okteds, visionary (1/28/10)

by criminal type on Apr 20, 2025 12:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Supposedly has no flaw big enough to keep him down

And they think he can learn all he needs to at the MLB level in terms of continuing to develop his pitches. It’s agressive, but he fits the bill in terms of a Jays early promotion (they will push guys who throw strikes with good pitchability like they did Alvarez last year).

by TtD on Apr 20, 2025 12:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not really surprising

Given how they brought up Henderson Alvarez last year and the alternatives. It’s kinda crazy to think that at this time last year, he was pitching in Low-A for Lansing.

I’m a little concerned given the quick trip through the minors, on the other hand, I felt the same way about Alvarez and he was ready, so I think it’s fair to defer to management’s judgement and they clear think he’s ready to come up, and likely not just for the one start.

by MjwW on Apr 20, 2025 2:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

He is only up for a month or so to fill the #5 role

Originally he was to be up in September when McGowan was reaching his innings limit, and Hutchison was to pitch 3 innings per start the first month to watch his work load. Obviously that didn’t work out with McGowan and his foot so they went to plan B.

by pedrophile on Apr 20, 2025 2:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Is this a spot start?

Or is Hutchison being given something of an audition in the absence of Dustin McGowan (of course, expecting any sort of set timetable there is likely folly, right?).

by Matt0330 on Apr 20, 2025 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

They need a 5th starter for the next 4 starts, at least

So it doesn’t seem like a spot start, but there’s been no guidence beyond just this start, so it may depends on how he looks

by MjwW on Apr 20, 2025 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks

Am excited to see how he fares.

by Matt0330 on Apr 20, 2025 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Adam Warren another Yankee pitcher dominating.....sigh

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mlb-big-league-stew/photo-logan-morrison-bryan-petersen-share-tub-drink-043548597.html

by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Apr 19, 2025 11:10 PM EDT reply actions  

Montgomery 7ip 4h 2r 1er 2bb 7k 89p-57k 11go-1ao

dripping saliva

by hrv2010 on Apr 19, 2025 11:14 PM EDT reply actions  

if only it happened more than once in a blue moon

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by doublestix on Apr 19, 2025 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

AAron Hicks 1-3, 2 BB's , K

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mlb-big-league-stew/photo-logan-morrison-bryan-petersen-share-tub-drink-043548597.html

by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Apr 19, 2025 11:15 PM EDT reply actions  

Eddie Rosario

2-5

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mlb-big-league-stew/photo-logan-morrison-bryan-petersen-share-tub-drink-043548597.html

by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Apr 19, 2025 11:16 PM EDT reply actions  

Lyles

Jordan Lyles (W, 3-0) 5.2 8h 3r 3er 1bb 6k 0hr 2.89

by Legalize It on Apr 19, 2025 11:17 PM EDT reply actions  

Darin Gorski 6ip 1h 2bb 4k 6go-4ao everything else a 0

by hrv2010 on Apr 19, 2025 11:22 PM EDT reply actions  

Oscar Taveras, another 3 hits.

4th 3-hit game in last 10 games, now hitting .340.

by Willie McGee's Twin on Apr 19, 2025 11:23 PM EDT reply actions  

He is 19 in Double A, Amazing.

Parks was right, his hit tool is the best in the minors.

by 301Madison on Apr 19, 2025 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jeff Kobernus 3-5 2r 2sb(11)
Destin Hood 3-5 1r 1rbi 1k sb#4

by hrv2010 on Apr 19, 2025 11:25 PM EDT reply actions  

Kobernus rolling,

but they’ve got solid depth ahead of him in Espinosa and Lombo. Wondering how this plays out.

by charles wallace on Apr 20, 2025 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Taillon Vs. Hermsen again... lol

5.0 IP - 4 H - 1 ER - 6 K’s - 0 BB’s

Taillon pitch count limited him to 5 innings.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mlb-big-league-stew/photo-logan-morrison-bryan-petersen-share-tub-drink-043548597.html

by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Apr 19, 2025 11:26 PM EDT reply actions  

Eh

I could be wrong on the pitch count, but I doubt you see Taillon go more than 5 IP all year. Not that I’ve kept very close track, but I haven’t seen a prep pitcher go more than 5 innings since Neal Huntington has taken over and they don’t have a prep pitcher they’ve drafted as high as AA yet.

by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Apr 19, 2025 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cain

I think Cain has done it

by Woo! on Apr 20, 2025 8:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wong

1-for-4, 2 runs, SB

"Hosmer right in between Carter and Alvarez…. what is this list based on? height?" -- okteds, visionary (1/28/10)

by criminal type on Apr 19, 2025 11:28 PM EDT reply actions  

Arenado

2-for-4, CS.

Hitting .375 this season.

"Hosmer right in between Carter and Alvarez…. what is this list based on? height?" -- okteds, visionary (1/28/10)

by criminal type on Apr 19, 2025 11:29 PM EDT reply actions  

Sulbaran 6ip 6h 4r 3er 1bb 11k 2hra 83p-56k 1go-4ao

by hrv2010 on Apr 19, 2025 11:29 PM EDT reply actions  

My man

Hoping he breaks out this year.

by charles wallace on Apr 20, 2025 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Marisnick

Batting leadoff today. He’s usually in the 2 or 3 hole.

Anyway …

3-for-5, 2b, 2 RBIs, SB

"Hosmer right in between Carter and Alvarez…. what is this list based on? height?" -- okteds, visionary (1/28/10)

by criminal type on Apr 19, 2025 11:30 PM EDT reply actions  

He's been batting leadoff

most of the season so far.

by hrv2010 on Apr 19, 2025 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oops

I guess I paid attention when he was moonlighting lower in the order!

"Hosmer right in between Carter and Alvarez…. what is this list based on? height?" -- okteds, visionary (1/28/10)

by criminal type on Apr 20, 2025 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

2B a couple feet away from a HR…destroyed a 0-2 mistake CB

by MjwW on Apr 19, 2025 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Trevor Roesenthal 6ip 4h 3bb 6k 90p-60k 5go-2ao

by hrv2010 on Apr 19, 2025 11:37 PM EDT reply actions  

Ventura

5 ip, 6 h, 2 r, 1 bb, 9 k

75 pitches. hit 100 once.

R.I.P. cwhitman412, Frederick0220, & Mets2k9
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by doublestix on Apr 19, 2025 11:48 PM EDT reply actions  

very nice

Fire Everyone

by billybeingbilly on Apr 20, 2025 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

Mel Rojas Jr.

Toolsy Outfielder - 3rd round pick in 2010 - has quietly had an excellent start to his season with a .327/.365/.510 line. Will need to improve his plate discipline (13:2 K:BB in 49 AB) but his ARL is solid as a 21 year old in A+ ball.

1-4 on the day with a K

by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Apr 19, 2025 11:59 PM EDT reply actions  

Nick Castellanos

1/3 2B

XandyMan Coming for you!!!!1

by DominicanDandy on Apr 20, 2025 12:16 AM EDT reply actions  

Jesse Biddle

3IP, 7H, 7R, 4ER, 0BB, 4K, 4-1 GO-FO

Gave up a HR.

XandyMan Coming for you!!!!1

by DominicanDandy on Apr 20, 2025 12:18 AM EDT reply actions  

2 hit batsmen

XandyMan Coming for you!!!!1

by DominicanDandy on Apr 20, 2025 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

Maikel Franco

2/3, HR(2), BB

XandyMan Coming for you!!!!1

by DominicanDandy on Apr 20, 2025 12:22 AM EDT reply actions  

So far so solid

If he controls the strike zone he’ll be able to get to the power as he’s showing.

by charles wallace on Apr 20, 2025 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just another day at the office in High Desert.

Brad Miller 2-4 2B, RBI
Jack Marder 2-3 HR(2) RBI, BB
John Hicks 1-3 BB, K
Steven Proscia 3-4 2 HR(2,3) 4 RBIs
James Jones 2-3 HR(1) 2B, 3 RBIs, BB, K

Leader of Drew Vettleson fanclub

by Marinerfanjake on Apr 20, 2025 12:46 AM EDT reply actions  

Did I read correctly

that Miller had a double digit error total already?

by charles wallace on Apr 20, 2025 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not sure if it's double digits, but he has a lot.

I’ve heard some suggestions that he might get moved to center field.

by WhyGodWhy on Apr 20, 2025 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

It is indeed 10 errors in 13 games.

Given the Mariners have no real Centerfield prospect and that Miller is going up against Franklin for shortstop, I wouldn’t be too against the idea.

Leader of Drew Vettleson fanclub

by Marinerfanjake on Apr 20, 2025 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

2B has been mentioned too,

but it’s pretty doubtful they’d jack Ackley around.

by charles wallace on Apr 21, 2025 1:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

Derek Dietrich 3-5 and a HR shy of the cycle

the MIF are full in the upper levels but I hate he is stuck in Charlotte, he should be in Montgomery by now (Figuroa should be in Durham and get rid of Rhymes if u ask me)

by Dbullsfan on Apr 20, 2025 12:55 AM EDT reply actions  

Vinny Catricala

0-3, BB, K. Now hitting .172 with 0 HR through first 15 games at AAA.

by mrkupe on Apr 20, 2025 1:02 AM EDT reply actions  

His start has shocked me

I expected him to be pounding down the door to the majors with a jackhammer

by kyuss94 on Apr 20, 2025 8:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

actually let me correct myself

2 Ks. Full line on the year is .172/.210/.207, 3/11 BB/K with 58 ABs

by mrkupe on Apr 20, 2025 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

2 scoreless innings from Jeremy Berg (Angels)

he was undrafted out of high school and bulleted through their system, I’m hoping he gets a shot in the majors at some point this year. I’d love to hear a scouting report on him, I worked with him in college and he was in the low 80’s and as a right handed relief pitcher we never thought he’d make it this far.

by Dbullsfan on Apr 20, 2025 1:07 AM EDT reply actions  

TB injury question - Alex Colome

Hey DBullsfan - I hope you can help me out a bit. I noticed that Colome was on the 7 day DL. Do you know what injury put him on the DL and if there’s a timetable for his return?

Thanks.

by philly on Apr 20, 2025 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

left oblique injury

No stated return date yet.

by mrkupe on Apr 20, 2025 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

thanks

Kind of thing that can linger, but at least isn’t arm related. I know they’ve stated they want to keep giving him innings in the rotation, but I wonder if a long layoff makes it easier to give in the the inevitable (?) and move him to the pen andtry to get him to the majors quickly as a contributor.

by philly on Apr 20, 2025 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

I actually, after seeing him several times, think he is suited well enough for the rotation.

His changeup isn’t a weapon, but it is a usable pitch. And with his fastball/curve combo, he should be a solid 2-4 starter. If his command comes along, I would project more of a 1-3.

by mr. maniac on Apr 20, 2025 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Rizzo 2-3 with 2 HR (7) and a BB

Now hitting .393/.433/.786/1.219 on the year. I know there’s some questions about him after his 160 or so ABs in the majors last year, but it’s hard to think he won’t eventually figure it out.

One of the few bright spots of the Cubs right now happens to be LaHair though, so Rizzo will have a little time to kill in Iowa.

by bdlugz on Apr 20, 2025 1:35 AM EDT reply actions  

lahair

if Byrd wasn’t playing like shit they Cubs would already be shopping him, LaHair can play the OF

by ADLC on Apr 20, 2025 7:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

the Cubbies

are still shopping Byrd. They probably won’t get much for him, but anything at this point would be nice. A young arm (Carlos Perez?) from Atlanta would make sense.

by JoelGuzman'sScout on Apr 20, 2025 8:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Atlanta

If Chipper or an OF has a major injury and the Cubs were willing to eat the vast majority of Byrd’s salary, maybe. Otherwise the Braves seem to be happy with what they have.

by rlwhite on Apr 20, 2025 8:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Don't see why the Cubs would be opposed to eating most of Byrd's salary.

It’s a sunk cost anyway, and they are at a recent low in regards to payroll and are clearly willing to pay for prospects (see 6+ million for Concepcion).

by bdlugz on Apr 20, 2025 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

LaHair can stand in the OF, I'm not sure he offers any defensive value out there.

The only place you could even consider putting him is in LF, but there is current an immovable object in that vicinity until around 2014.

LaHair couldn’t come close to handling RF at Wrigley, and moving Byrd from center doesn’t help him either, as that just likely puts Campana or Sappelt in that spot until Jackson is ready.

by bdlugz on Apr 20, 2025 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

lots of tweeting about him last night

but this was by far the most reassuring thing:

‏@Kevin_Goldstein
Yes. Swing has shortened. RT @sahadevsharma: @Kevin_Goldstein is there even any indication Rizzo has adjusted issues from last year?

by PrincetonCubs on Apr 20, 2025 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

just felt like saying

I believe I may have underestimated Fred Freeman’s ceiling. So young and looks just awesome.

by St.Steve on Apr 20, 2025 9:49 AM EDT reply actions  

+1

by richieabernathy on Apr 20, 2025 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Freddie Freeman, start of April 17: .162/.205/.189

First 9 games: decidedly not awesome.

by mrkupe on Apr 20, 2025 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

SSS

You can find anyone with a 9 game slump. Look at last year and remember he was just 21. He should settle in somewhere between his overall 2011 numbers (~.800 OPS) and his July 2011 (~1.000 OPS).

by rlwhite on Apr 20, 2025 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Don't post often but..

You called Steve out for an SSS and cite one month of stats? Come on…

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by JD Sussman on Apr 20, 2025 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

So what about his last 5?

Dude has been killin it.

by Jay212033 on Apr 20, 2025 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

okay

His previous 2 games before his recent tear on April 17-19, he went 0-8 combined with 3 Ks.

by mrkupe on Apr 20, 2025 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Please keep bringing up old stuff

Cause the more you go backwards the hotter Freeman gets lol! 3-4, 2 2B,

by Jay212033 on Apr 21, 2025 1:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Eovaldi

Removed after one inning. Assuming he is headed to the majors…will he be starting or in the bullpen?

by hoos on Apr 20, 2025 10:25 AM EDT reply actions  

Exactly my question.

Just getting ready to post and see if an LAD fan had some insight.

by charles wallace on Apr 20, 2025 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

i hope he proves me wrong

But he feels like a really good late inning rp, still enough time to change my mind though.

by St.Steve on Apr 20, 2025 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I still like him

as a #4 on a contending team. I’d like to see if he’s moderated that hook in his wrist at all.

by charles wallace on Apr 20, 2025 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions  


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