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Community Positional Prospect #21

With 27.3% of the vote, Jake Marisnick is elected Community Positional Prospect #20.

RESULTS:

Jake Marisnick: 27.3%

Hak-Ju Lee: 19.7%

Cheslor Cuthbert: 10.6%

Josh Bell: 7.6%

Jonathan Singleton: 6.1%

Nick Franklin: 6.1% (write in)

Michael Choice: 4.5%

Leonys Martin: 4.5% (write in)

Anthony Gose: 3.0%

George Springer: 3.0% (write in)

Jean Segura: 3.0% (write in)

Nick Castellanos: 1.5%

Mike Olt: 1.5%

Starling Marte: 1.5%

CANDIDATES: Hak-Ju Lee, Cheslor Cuthbert, Josh Bell, Jonathan Singleton, Nick Franklin, Micheal Choice, Leonys Martin, George Springer, Gary Brown, Jean Segura

IN ROTATION: Ryan Lavarnway (#18-0%), Gary Sanchez (#19-1.5%), Christian Yelich (#19-1.5%), Anthony Gose (#20-3.0%), Nick Castellanos (#20-1.5%), Mike Olt (#20-1.5%), Starling Marte (#20-1.5%)

TESTERS: Will Middlebrooks, Jedd Gyorko, Mike Mahtook, Tim Wheeler, Wilin Rosario, Oswaldo Arcia, Garin Cecchini, Kolten Wong, Billy Hamilton, Jonathan Schoop, Eddie Rosario, Marcell Ozuna, Rymer Liriano, Andrelton Simmons, Javier Baez





#01 - BRYCE HARPER - 59.2%

#02 - MIKE TROUT - 38.8% (In Poll #1)

#03 - JURICKSON PROFAR - 52.9%

#04 - MANNY MACHADO - 31.5% (55.1% In Runoff)

#05 - DEVIN MESORACO - 45.1%

#06 - WILL MYERS - 31.6% (51.4% In Runoff)

#07 - JESUS MONTERO - 61.3%

#08 - ANTHONY RENDON - 53.1%

#09 - TRAVIS D'ARNAUD - 46.6%

#10 - NOLAN ARENADO - 33.3%

#11 - MIGUEL SANO - 37.3%

#12 - YONDER ALONSO - 22.5% (45.3% In 3-Way Runoff)

#13 - FRANCISCO LINDOR - 26.1%

#14 - BUBBA STARLING - 33.8%

#15 - XANDER BOGAERTS - 25.0% (55.2% In 3-Way Runoff)

#16 - ANTHONY RIZZO - 27.8%

#17 - OSCAR TAVERAS - 40.3%

#18 - BRETT JACKSON - 20.3% (58.7% In Runoff)

#19 - YASMANI GRANDAL - 31.3%

#20 - JAKE MARISNICK - 27.3%

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+1 Vote for Hak-Ju Lee

Can’t stress enough how close this is between he & Nick Franklin to me personally, but Lee really should be on the poll by now (in my opinion).

by Matt0330 on Nov 29, 2025 10:32 AM EST up reply actions  

Hak-Ju, Grandal, Franklin

were all really close for me

by blue bulldog on Nov 29, 2025 10:52 AM EST up reply actions  

plus me too

I agree with y’all. I’m a huge Nuick Franklin guy. I think Nick can be a star player. i thinjk what makes me like HJ Lee a tad more is consistency and, of course, the glove.

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+1

a vote for the Korean Jose Reyes here.

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by BenMc5 on Nov 29, 2025 10:47 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

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by Bluebirdz on Nov 29, 2025 6:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Mike Mahtook

Is easily my favorite from the tester list - powerful bat, can take a pitch, flies gap to gap and really covers ground as a CF and, would be a gold glover as a RF in the big leagues. What I really like about him also is his makeup and, the passion in which he plays the game. I tghink he is not long for the minor leagues, to be honest.

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by casejud on Nov 29, 2025 1:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Agree with just about all of that

Mike Mahtook is in my Top 3 out of that current Tester group.

Non sequitur alert, but I really like him more than fellow 1st round OF George Springer independent of any & all modifiers. It isn’t just a case of preferring his floor either as I really think Mahtook’s ceiling is glossed over too quickly by many. He’s good.

by Matt0330 on Nov 29, 2025 3:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Andrelton Simmons

I’m not ready to vote for him yet or anything, but I like him more than some of the candidates/testers.

by nixa37 on Nov 29, 2025 2:24 PM EST up reply actions  

might put Javier Baez in the pool soon

probably deserving of a look starting in a few polls…I’ve got 5-6 guys in front of him

by PrincetonCubs on Nov 29, 2025 2:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Edward Salcedo

might be another guy

by PrincetonCubs on Nov 29, 2025 3:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Matt Davidson

I’m pretty big (relatively at least) on Davidson & I admit that a lot of that is a belief that he’ll build on his already more than acceptable batting lines. However, I really don’t see any discernible difference between he & Nick Castellanos who is in the rotation. Not saying that’s wrong or anything, just my opinion.

Both were similarly drafted in their respective years, but I’d easily take Davidson’s 2010 MWL campaign over Castellanos’ just completed 2011 & he has a pretty good Hi A season on the books too. I also think he has more power projection (considerably so honestly) than Castellanos and that he has a decent shot at staying at 3b (with a corner OF fallback far from improbable & perfectly acceptable). There are some K issues here, but if the power develops as it should (Davidson is pretty much the poster child for the guy whose ‘doubles should become HRs’), I don’t see it being a huge problem.

While he hasn’t had a season that was just above & beyond expectations (think Nolan Arenado maybe), Davidson is one I like. To me, he’d be coming up in the next 15-20 I think, but it will be interesting to see how others view him when he eventually makes his way into consideration.

by Matt0330 on Nov 29, 2025 3:27 PM EST up reply actions  

I could see him

Making some people’s top 100. He’s likely just outside mine (though I’d give him a B grade - John gave him a B-). He’ll make my top 75 hitters list quite easily.

by auclairkeithbc on Nov 29, 2025 3:40 PM EST up reply actions  

i think

Davidson’s in the backend of the Top 100 for me

but i really worry about high-strikeout guys. thankfully he’s so young that the strikeout problem still has a chance at disappearing.

people tend to forget that Davidson actually put up a similar wRC+ as Arenado this year.

by blue bulldog on Nov 29, 2025 3:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Brandon Jacobs

This is a guy whose offensive upside I really believe in & I wonder if the fact that he’s been pretty much earmarked for LF is working against him in the conceptions of others (if they consider him at all!). I liked him a lot heading into 2011 & he still surpassed what I had expected and I’d think what many others might have foreseen too.

I think Brandon Jacobs had a great Age 20 campaign in the South Atlantic League & was encouraged by his speed/power combo too. In my opinion, his arm is better than given credit for & he’s also a lot more athletic than a lot of folks realize too. He tailed off some late, but his final season line was very notable. Like the aforementioned Davidson, Jacobs can (& will) K more than his fair share, but Jacobs is a raw, former multi sport athlete who just completed his first season of full season baseball and his swing looks fast & direct to me (in person - 2010 - & on video since). He’s a big guy, but he’s sneaky fast & a very efficient baserunner from all indications this year. He’d be easily in my Top 10 of the guys who haven’t been voted on yet, but I think I’m higher on his potential than many seem to be. Although Jacobs showed well on the league specific Baseball America list, I could see others opting for older types when the time comes like Bryce Brentz or Tim Wheeler which I don’t really agree with.

by Matt0330 on Nov 29, 2025 3:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Billy Hamilton

Cannot teach that kind of speed.

by MRDillow on Nov 29, 2025 3:43 PM EST up reply actions  

But

Can they teach him to hit? That’s the question. Lots of fast people in the world. He’ll get a shot on the list probably before anyone casts an actual vote for him.

by auclairkeithbc on Nov 29, 2025 3:44 PM EST up reply actions  

DISCUSSION

by auclairkeithbc on Nov 29, 2025 10:28 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

Franklin's Time

To me I think this is Franklin’s turn. The other top challengers to him here are Springer and Martin to me as well.

Lee was great this year, but is older than Franklin and i don’t believe in the bat as much as I do Franklin’s.

Cuthbert’ first year was great, and it reminded me of Franklin’s first year, although Franklin had better stats, albeit in a better environment I believe. (Correct me if I am wrong)

I love Bell, but I don’t think he can be placed above Franklin at this point without any experience, although I do love the bat.

Singleton has great potential and power but I lean position value on this one.

Choice has monster potential but strikeouts worry me a lot and I like Franklin being closer to the big leagues.

Martin and Springer I both like, especially Springer, but Springer’s lack of experience at this point as well as the problem with dropping his back end during his swing that we saw in college worries me. As well that he was doing it in college, not at a high school age.

That said I like everyone, just why I think it should be Franklin.

by tarheels24 on Nov 29, 2025 10:36 AM EST up reply actions  

Nick Franklin:Hak-Ju Lee

I had these two tied directly behind Oscar Taveras but opted for Lee here. While they were my only two considerations, I went with Lee because I believe that he has the ability to provide premium defense (great range/arm combo) most probably at SS (2b would be a potential landing spot too) and Franklin just can’t match that from all indications. I think they both can/will be very good offensive players albeit different sorts. Franklin had an unfortunate injury & saw his power #s drop some, but he still had a very good campaign to me & those who were high on him pre-2011 should absolutely still be so. I think he might have enough offensive upside to even play 3b if need be, but obviously SS is the ideal landing spot for him. Great prospect.

Both should be Southern League regulars in 2012 at young ages (they’re what - 3/4 months apart?) & this was a toss up to me.

by Matt0330 on Nov 29, 2025 11:45 AM EST up reply actions  

Voted Martin here

MLB ready(or nearly so), strong defender in CF with a solid bat that may have a bit of potential in it yet. After Martin(which seems like it may take awhile) the next 10 on my list are:

Gary Sanchez-Seems to be getting overlooked here by quite a bit, hit 17 HR in 343 PA’s in the Sally League at age 18.
Jonathon Schoop-Very good performance in the Sally and made adjustments after a rough start in the Carolina League. 20+HR potential in this bat to go with good contact ability, should settle in at 3B or 2B. Also overlooked IMO.
Jean Segura-Good reports on his D in his limited action due to injury. Potentially dynamic leadoff type hitter, is he getting dinged too hard for the missed time?
Mike Olt-30+ HR power, strong walk rates and plus D at 3B. He may never hit for much more than a .250 average but that’s fine when you look at everything else he brings to the table.
Garin Cecchini-This one will probably look odd to most, but it’s mainly a gut feeling here. Massive potential with the bat and very good defense at 3B. I think 2012 is his breakout year, he just needs to stay healthy and play. Biggest chance for a miss on my list at this point, but the payoff could be so big.
Christian Yelich-Baserunning instincts and surprising defensive ability in CF bump him up a bit from just the strong bat he possess. Plenty to like here.
Starling Marte-Elite defender in CF, strong contact ability and blossoming power. Only question for me is the walk rate, could hold him back a bit offensively.
Cheslor Cuthbert-Great potential with the bat and solid enough at 3B to stick. Only 18, but pretty impressive performance in the MWL at that age. Overall line unimpressive but it was brought way down due to fatigue and leg issues down the stretch.
Tim Wheeler-Probably a few month stint in AAA away from being ready for the majors, solid enough in CF that this could be too low for him. 30+ HR power, only real concern is the K’s, curious to see how he does against trickier type pitchers in AAA and the majors.
Anthony Gose-Elite defender in CF, game changing speed, blossoming power. The K rate is a major concern though, enough to drop him behind guys like Marte and Wheeler.

11th guy on my list after Martin is Gary Brown. Plus defense and speed in CF, should hit for average at the very least. I want to see what kind of power he hits for outside the Cal League and how the walk rate holds up against better pitching, but the floor is fairly high here.

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by gatling on Nov 29, 2025 1:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Lots of good, underrated, players there

 . . . but, do you not like Hak Ju Lee or, were you excluding huim because he is likely getting on soon? I like Segura too. I think he is getting underrated here but, he had his impressive season in the MWL at age 20. I think Lee would have performed well there if he played there this year, when he was 20 all season. Lee would have also knocked peoples eyes out if he played in the Cal League this year. There are also little questions about Lee’s glove.

Is Ceccini that impressive with the glove? he made 10 errors in 32 games at 3b.

Olt is intriguing. My gut tells me that he doesn;’t have enough of a hit tool to make it but, he sure surrounds that hit tool with a lot of things to like.;

Gary Sanchez is getting overlooked, I agree. I think some doubt weather he can really Catch and/or his desire to play but, he was very very young and lots of guys grow through that stuff.

I think you are overrating Tim Wheeler.

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by casejud on Nov 29, 2025 1:58 PM EST up reply actions  

No, I didn't exclude Hak-Ju Lee

he’s a few spots behind the names listed above. Not totally sold on the bat at this point, though you obviously are. Not much to debate there.

Not worried about the errors with Cecchini, they don’t mean as much to me as they do you. Again, nothing to debate there.

We’re very different in our valuation of hit tool, so this one isn’t a surprise. Olt could easily hit .250/.350/.450(might be low on the power honestly) with plus D at 3B. That’s damn valuable.

This is the one place we agree, Sanchez is overlooked. I’m less worried about whether he sticks at C or not, that bat will play anywhere including DH. Jesus Montero hit 17 HR’s in the Sally League for the Yankees at age 18…in about 200 more PA’s than it took Sanchez. I wasn’t entirely sure I bought BA’s claims that Sanchez had the higher ceiling of the two to start the year, but Sanchez definitely has the type of ability.

Curious what about Wheeler you think I’m overrating. I don’t think he’s a lock to stay in CF, but the reports are pretty good on his D and he has the bat for a corner for sure. Do you doubt the bat or the glove? Both?

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by gatling on Nov 29, 2025 2:24 PM EST up reply actions  

i always wonder

what people mean when they say “Prospect A could easily hit blah blah blah…”

what is easily?

by blue bulldog on Nov 29, 2025 3:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Can't speak for anyone else

but I mean it doesn’t take much imagination to see him posting that line, it’s relatively probable he can hit that well, I’m not projecting massive strides in any part of his game to reach that level of production.

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by gatling on Nov 29, 2025 3:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah

That is the way the word is commonly used here in America at least. I feel comfortable speaking for all of America. Not sure how it is used in other English speaking countries though.

by auclairkeithbc on Nov 29, 2025 3:50 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

relatively probable?

is that like, much greater than 50%?

at least where i’m from in america, when people say they “easily” expect Event A to happen, it implies that if Event A does not occur, they would be surprised

does gatling just think there are multiple “easily” outcomes for Olt? for instance, could Olt “easily” never make it to the majors as an everyday player?

by blue bulldog on Nov 29, 2025 11:38 PM EST up reply actions  

nah

there is a big difference between saying someone will easily hit .250 and saying someone could easily hit .250. it is similar to saying someone could definitely hit .250, or that it is very reasonable to imagine someone hitting .250, that it is “easily” or “safely” or “definitely” within a normal range of expected results.

by auclairkeithbc on Nov 30, 2025 1:08 AM EST up reply actions  

i find it hard to believe

you really don’t understand what he meant. he was directly responding to your claim that Olt didn’t have the hit tool to make it in the majors. if you said there is no chance at all that he falls short of a hall of fame career, someone could safely respond that he could easily have a very nice career but fall short of the HOF, or if you said he has a 100% chance of making the majors, someone could respond by saying, he could easily find himself topping out as a quad A type.

by auclairkeithbc on Nov 30, 2025 1:17 AM EST up reply actions  

not "your claim"

sorry. case’s claim.

by auclairkeithbc on Nov 30, 2025 1:18 AM EST up reply actions  

do you see the problem

that you just highlighted with your comment?

despite the fact that the probability of “find himself topping out as a quad A type” is significantly different from the probability of “hitting 250/350/450”, you would use “could easily” in both those instances.

or at least i assume that’s how gatling feels. i dunno. maybe gatling does think that Olt has a higher probability of hitting 250/350/450 than topping out as a quad A type.

not meant to be an attack on you or gatling. but it just bugs me when people use phrases like “could easily” in terms of projecting prospect futures. it’s phrases like this, that end up misleading a lot of people who don’t go around following prospects a lot. sure, a lot of the confusion is cleared up by just looking at a quick look at a given analysts prospect ranking, and their “relative probable” outcomes as a prospect. but most people aren’t going to understand that in the real world. i had a friend who once told me that if Jason Heyward ended up only making a few All-Stars he’d be a bust, because his expectation based on what everyone was saying about Heyward was that this guy was going to win an MVP someday.

when you say things like “could easily” you are shifting readers expectation curve of a prospect significantly. it reads like the probability of Olt putting up a line of 250/350/450 is at the same level of the probability that he fins himself topping out as a quad A type, which just isn’t true.

by blue bulldog on Nov 30, 2025 1:31 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm sorry

that you don’t like the choice of phrase. I feel that the risk of a prospect busting or topping out as a AAAA player is implied, no prospect is a sure thing. I don’t feel it’s necessary to post a disclaimer to that end.

Yes, I feel there is a higher probability that Olt hits for a line in the range of what I mentioned than it is he tops out as a 4A player. If I didn’t feel that way, I wouldn’t have listed him as my #5 hitter left, putting him at #26 at the worst(for the record he’s my #20 hitter). I don’t think my original comment was so unclear as to make this entire discussion necessary though, but it is what it is. Hopefully this ends the confusion I caused with the word “easily”.

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by gatling on Nov 30, 2025 2:27 AM EST up reply actions  

it does end the confusion

in fact, i wanted to hear you make this statement yourself, to make sure my understanding of your statement was correct, so that i could show you why i think you are wrong.

look at any historical rankings list of prospects. better yet, look at the basic surplus value chart of prospects that is based on Victor Wang’s research and posted at Beyond the Box Score. if you really thought that Olt hitting for a line in that range (or better outcome) would have a higher probability than him topping out as a 4A guy, he wouldn’t be your #5 hitter out of the remaining guys left. he’d be your #5 hitter overall.

what you described (3B with good defense and a 250/350/450 line) is a perennial 4-5 WAR guy.

by blue bulldog on Nov 30, 2025 4:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh god yes

I’ve said this a lot of times but, he isn’t really making that projection. He is just saying that it is “possible”.

What you are saying above is a lot like what I am saying a lot here. That at this point in the list, we should actually already start to talk about why we DONT think these players will make it! Because 60, 70, 80 of them aren’t going to. It never happens . . . any year. This is why I stick a reliever or two in the middle of my top 100 list, because quite afew of them are going to make mone money in the show than a lot of these prospects as we go further down.

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by casejud on Dec 1, 2025 2:48 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm guessing

the surplus value chart you mention is the same one that leads you to believe that Daric Barton wasn’t overrated or a disappointment, right? I understand why you think I’m wrong, and I’m totally ok with that. Any prospect can bust, that’s something we have to consider and integrate into our rankings. A lot of that is taken into account by the position where you rank a player. A guy ranked #43(my ranking for Olt overall) either has a lower ceiling or floor, a higher potential to bust than players ranked ahead of him, has less positional/defensive value, or has a major flaw(or a combination of those). For Olt, the K’s are big flaw in his game and that lowers his ceiling because I don’t see him being more than a .260 hitter at best in the majors(fluke BABIP added season notwithstanding). He has a pretty high floor because of his defensive value at 3B combined with his ability to take walks and his power. To rank him as my fifth overall hitter(a spot held by Devin Mesoraco, fwiw) the K issue couldn’t be there.

My guess is there will be random instances where we agree on a given prospect but generally speaking there will be a level of disagreement from what I’ve seen. I certainly hope we don’t have to go through all this every time one of those disagreements comes up.

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by gatling on Dec 1, 2025 1:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Wheeler

I don’t doubt the glove. I ‘ve heard good things and, haven’t seen him field.
With the bat, being 21 and just good in the Cal League. Being 22 in the TL and just good, also doesn’t. I’d need something visually to change my view and I didn’t see it. He doesn’t impress me visually or, with his age or the context of his results.

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by casejud on Nov 29, 2025 5:00 PM EST up reply actions  

So it's the ARL thing, pretty much what I figured.

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by gatling on Nov 29, 2025 5:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Thats part of it

. . . but not all of it. I can go for a player who is behind the curve when he goes into a league and destyroys it, Jerry Sands or Paul Goldchmidt style but, he wasn’t quite that good.

Guys who have the quality of a season in AA as Wheeler had, at that age, just don’t have a very good track record.

Saying that, If I saw him play and, was knocked out by what i saw I may feel differently, maybe. I wasn’t though.

Before you start, I am not excluding him or deffinitively saying he can’’t make it. I’m just saying I don’t like his chances as much as a lot of other guys. Aubrey Huff and Nick Swisher and a whole bunch of other guys had similar career paths so, maybe.

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by casejud on Nov 30, 2025 1:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Wheeler was actually 23, but anyways

I’m only okay on his bat overall, because I’m not sure the batting average is going to be there. What he does have, though, is impressive power with a bit of projection on top of it. I can see some similarities to Swisher in skillset, although physically they’re almost total opposites.

by mrkupe on Dec 1, 2025 8:05 AM EST up reply actions  

The K's are definitely a question mark

and how they effect his batting average is a valid concern. I think there is some chance he ends up as the strong side of a platoon as his biggest issues were with LHP.

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by gatling on Dec 1, 2025 12:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Can people rec

Leonys Martin. He’s a little hidden right now

by auclairkeithbc on Nov 29, 2025 12:50 PM EST reply actions  

Voting closed

Lee wins. Sort of close at the top, but he did pull in 28% of the vote and had a 5 vote lead on #2.

by auclairkeithbc on Nov 30, 2025 10:31 AM EST reply actions  


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