Seattle Mariners Organization Discussion
I am now working on the Toronto Blue Jays Top 20 list. The next team in line is the Los Angeles Dodgers. You can find the Dodgers organization discussion here.
The next team after the Dodgers is the Seattle Mariners. How do you see this system? Any sleepers who are under the radar? As we asked with other teams, how do you make the transition from having good players in the farm system and having a good major league team? If you were the Mariners, would you stand pat and let the talent move up, or would you make trades or sign major league free agents?
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I can see 5 Top 100 prospects
Hultzen and Walker in the Top 20, Paxton in Top 50, Nick Franklin 50-75, and Jose Campos in the 75-100 range
Maybe Catricala will sneak on in a list or two also
by Punkhazard on Nov 28, 2025 11:07 AM EST reply actions
I think you are way to low on Paxton personally
And I would think Vinny’s bat has to get him at the tail end of many top 100 lists.
by cookiedabookie on Nov 28, 2025 11:11 AM EST up reply actions
Not exact rankings
Just breaking them up into 4 different groups, Walker and Hultzen in the first, then Paxton is just a bit below them in the M’s system imo
by Punkhazard on Nov 28, 2025 11:15 AM EST up reply actions
I like Paxton just a bit more than Walker myself
by cookiedabookie on Nov 28, 2025 12:25 PM EST up reply actions
I'm
not disagreeing, but do others agree on Campos in the 75-100 range. (I just don’t know enough.)
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by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Nov 28, 2025 7:23 PM EST up reply actions
Cool
So I can learn more..
Where would you these rank similar guys
Heredia
Cardona
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by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Nov 28, 2025 7:34 PM EST up reply actions
both outside of top 100 for me
Cardona ahead of Heredia. Heredia is someone to dream on, but I am a bit more cautious after the Michael Ynoa experience (good name for a band).
Campos has performed better at a higher level. I especially like his K-rate, BB-rate, and Hit-rate, all of which he has better results than Cardona or Heredia.
by cookiedabookie on Nov 28, 2025 7:45 PM EST up reply actions
Seems
to be about as rational as you can be.
Kinda annoyed me all year from Pirates fans who whined about Heredia’s performance. My mindset was “please finish the season with your arm attached to your shoulder and intact.”
I’m thrilled that happened.
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by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Nov 28, 2025 7:47 PM EST up reply actions
Campos performed very well and made a ton of improvement this season.
Especially in managing a game and changing pitches, and that kind of stuff. He could feasibly be pushed to High-A next year, being a quicker mover than a lot expected at first
by tarheels24 on Nov 28, 2025 8:57 PM EST up reply actions
He
will be going into his 3rd year correct?
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by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Nov 28, 2025 11:43 PM EST up reply actions
Depends who you ask...
FanGraphs indicates 2012 will be his 3rd season, though B-R.com also lists stats for 2009.
2009: 33 IP in VSL
2010: 57 IP in VSL
2011: 81 IP in NWL
by dbreer23 on Nov 29, 2025 12:31 AM EST up reply actions
Campos
Heredia
Cardona
Campos will make my top 100; Heredia will probably fall short. Cardona is further behind.
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by Jeff Reese on Nov 28, 2025 8:57 PM EST up reply actions
Heredia struggled this year at the same level that Cardona had some success (mainly in his peripherals). Heredia’s 7 months younger, and has had more hype, but I don’t see why he’s the better prospect at this point.
by gabrielsyme on Nov 28, 2025 10:12 PM EST up reply actions
Scouting
Heredia has more projection, a better delivery, and more advanced offspeed stuff than Cardona. Statistics for 17 year olds in rookie ball are meaningless.
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by Jeff Reese on Nov 29, 2025 8:31 AM EST up reply actions
Franklin has fallen a bit IMO, now more of a back end guy, and Campos is not a top 100 prospect
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by OremLK on Nov 29, 2025 11:46 AM EST up reply actions
I respectfully disagree re: Nick Franklin
He’d be safely in the Top 50 for me and I’d think he’d be closer to 50th than 75th for most people (but I’ve been wrong plenty before).
by Matt0330 on Nov 29, 2025 11:57 AM EST up reply actions
Franklin probably around 60-65 overall for me
by cookiedabookie on Nov 29, 2025 4:11 PM EST up reply actions
Splitting the difference
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by Matt0330 on Nov 30, 2025 9:10 AM EST up reply actions
haven't decided yet
At the plate I like him as a solid and steady performer, something pretty close to his Cal League performance (I don’t consider him to have underperformed there), which would be terrific.
It’s the glovework that leaves me wondering a bit. I think the raw material is there for him to be an okay shortstop, but at the same time, there are substantial questions on defense to be resolve, many of which would go away if he were to play second base. Of course, he’s not likely to end up at second base in Seattle.
by mrkupe on Nov 30, 2025 10:58 AM EST up reply actions
Says who?
He will be a top 100 guy for me.
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by Jeff Reese on Nov 29, 2025 12:51 PM EST up reply actions
+1
Agreed - not top-50, but certainly in the 75-100 range
by dbreer23 on Nov 29, 2025 4:47 PM EST up reply actions
Taijuan Walker: Talented, but overrated. Discuss.
by mrkupe on Nov 28, 2025 11:08 AM EST reply actions
i think i'm gonna duck
that guy’s loved around these parts.
by JoelGuzman'sScout on Nov 28, 2025 12:05 PM EST up reply actions
If by "overrated" you mean some folks are getting excited early?
Yes. Walker has good talent and is moving along quickly, but he’s not even close to ready and could easily flame out or be a victim of attrition before he even smells the major leagues.
Better competition will tell us a lot more. He also needs to prove he can get left handers out before we really can get excited. But on raw talent, he isn’t overrated at all, so the excitement can be somewhat understandable.
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on Nov 28, 2025 1:09 PM EST up reply actions
I know youre just trying to ruffle some feathers
But its tough to overrate a 19 who overmatched the midwest league as a 19 year with a mid-upper 90s fastball and a powercurve. A pitcher who only strikes guys out can be overrated, a pitcher that only gets a lot of groundballs can be overrated, a pitcher that dominates the lower minors can be overrated. A guy that does all of those things at his age who has only been pitching for a couple years?
by Aesop on Nov 28, 2025 1:51 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
more like I'm trying to engineer a conversation
by mrkupe on Nov 28, 2025 2:13 PM EST up reply actions
I understand that now
I just get instantly defensive when people try to overrate M’s prospects, especially one of my favorites, wasn’t meant as a snipe. And also didn’t mean to post the response twice, thanks mobile internet.
Are you thinking that fans overrate him or sites like BA? I think they were the ones that had rated #1 in his league
by Aesop on Nov 28, 2025 7:52 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I know youre just trying to ruffle some feathers
But its tough to overrate a guy who overmatched the midwest league as a 19 year with a mid-upper 90s fastball and a powercurve. A pitcher who only strikes guys out can be overrated, a pitcher that only gets a lot of groundballs can be overrated, a pitcher that dominates the lower minors can be overrated. A guy that does all of those things at his age who has only been pitching for a couple years?
by Aesop on Nov 28, 2025 1:51 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I'm more worried that wherever I rank him will seem too low a year from now.
& I am going to rank him VERY highly.
Great velo (and still projection left). Makings of two plus pitches. His mechanics & command still need work & he obviously needs consistency, but the ceiling here is just ridiculous. One of the few guys I would hang “Ace” ceiling on (I’m pretty stingy there). I talked to someone who watched him in instructs and had seen him as an amateur and he was amazed at the progress Walker had made in that time and how polished he had become. CB is now a real hammer. If he was a stock I’d still be buying.
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by alskor on Nov 28, 2025 2:05 PM EST up reply actions
Ancillary question
Who do you prefer through their age 18 season: Taijuan Walker or Jose Campos?
Walker is one month younger and has a higher strikeout %, but Campos was in the NWL (better hitters league), has lower FIP values, and walks one-third of the hitters that Walker does. Not saying Walker isn’t the better of the two, just that’s it’s closer than one might think.
by dbreer23 on Nov 28, 2025 2:14 PM EST up reply actions
Campos is awesome
I am a HUGE fan, but Taijuan Walker’s secondaries are much more advanced.
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by Jeff Reese on Nov 28, 2025 4:25 PM EST up reply actions
I have Campos at 31 on my pitchers list
by cookiedabookie on Nov 28, 2025 5:37 PM EST up reply actions
I go Walker for now.
I feel like you can hang the potential ace card on him, not just a future 1. Campos on the other hand could end up a 1, but I don’t see an ace.
Also Walker was in full-season and was able to almost complete the full season.
by tarheels24 on Nov 28, 2025 8:59 PM EST up reply actions
Innings
Your second statement is a little slanted - Walker pitched 96 IP, Campos pitched 81 IP. And even though MWL is the better pitcher’s league, the level of hitter faced in either league (based solely on the top 20 hitters from each league) is comparable.
That said, I think I agree with you re: ace vs. #1.
by dbreer23 on Nov 28, 2025 10:12 PM EST up reply actions
My favorite sleeper from this system
Jabari Blash
by kyuss94 on Nov 28, 2025 11:22 AM EST reply actions
Really loved the skills and tools when I saw him in Everett, but he’s gonna have to get moving pretty quick as he’s 22 and has just 40 very disappointing MWL games to his name.
If he looks good in March, I’d probably be inclined to try to jump him over Clinton so he doesn’t have to go back out there in April.
by realitypolice on Nov 29, 2025 2:21 PM EST up reply actions
He had a .401 OBP in those 40 "very disappointing" MWL games.
He also had a lower strikeout rate and higher walk rate than he’s posted in rookie ball. His BABIP was .308 compared to .383 and .400 in low a and and rookie ball, respectively.
The only thing that could really be considered disappointing was the lack of power he displayed for Clinton.
by Kaorikaze on Nov 29, 2025 10:18 PM EST up reply actions
Phillips Castillo
Full of talent, but young and raw…showed nice XBH-ability this year at age 17. As with most int’l signees, just needs to harness his pitch recognition.
by dbreer23 on Nov 28, 2025 11:36 AM EST reply actions
Tyler Marlette
Only got a handful of ABs in the Appy league - looking forward to seeing him play in 2012.
by dbreer23 on Nov 28, 2025 11:37 AM EST reply actions
I'm looking forward to seeing how the major outlets rank the 2011 draft.
Marlette and Marder have gotten good reviews. Reports have been increasingly positive on Carter Capps in the months following. But Cohoes is an enigma right now, Miller has (perhaps unsurprisingly) drawn mixed reviews, and between Valenza, Saquilon, and White, maybe even Guarnaccia and Hunter, there was interesting talent in the late rounds and I’m curious to see how people regard it.
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by JY on Nov 28, 2025 3:58 PM EST up reply actions
One of my favorite picks and signs.
Could be a steal of the draft.
by tarheels24 on Nov 28, 2025 9:16 PM EST up reply actions
Very up and coming system in my eyes
not great yet, but it has improved greatly since Z took over
by tarheels24 on Nov 28, 2025 1:34 PM EST reply actions
With how quickly some players have reached the majors,
I think that the M’s will maintain a very talented u-25/arb and pre-arb group, but may never have a top five farm system.
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by JY on Nov 28, 2025 3:51 PM EST up reply actions
This I agree with completely.
As JY and I often do when it comes to prospects.
by tarheels24 on Nov 28, 2025 9:00 PM EST up reply actions
Forrest Snow
Is a bit of a sleeper. Not because of his meteoric rise through the system in 2011 but more because he’s a 36th round pick with quality pitches and good results.
by Aesop on Nov 28, 2025 1:45 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Am I the only one
Who discovered him through that Name Smackdown or whatever it is called that MiLB does every year?
by kyuss94 on Nov 28, 2025 4:20 PM EST up reply actions
Moniker Madness.
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by JY on Nov 28, 2025 4:23 PM EST up reply actions
A few guys will be underrated as usual
Brad Miller may surprise people as he develops into a legit middle infield prospect. Carter Capps will receive less attention than a lot of pitchers from the 2011 draft, and that is probably a mistake. Stephen Pryor looks like a dominant late-inning guy. If John wants to be bold he will give him more than the standard C+ (uncertain) grade. Jordan Shippers has promise as a MOR guy, but will likely be an afterthought. Vinny Catricala will not get his due despite what he did in 2011.
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by Rudolf on Nov 28, 2025 4:55 PM EST reply actions
Catricala
He is always flying under the radar and has been since high school (over shadowed by Red Sox prospect Lars Anderson), but he really broke out in 2011 anything less than a B- would be a crime (especially given his C+ from last year). The guy has shown power and average at every level. I wonder how he will fit in the crowded Mariner OF with Carp, Robinson, Ichiro, Gutierrez, Saunders, etc.
*I don’t think the Mariners view him as a 3B anymore.
by James Westfall on Nov 28, 2025 5:38 PM EST up reply actions
B+
In my book. You can’t ignore a bat like that.
by kyuss94 on Nov 28, 2025 9:28 PM EST up reply actions
Shipers seems overhyped
compared to some of the other low minor pitchers in the system.
I think he has got way more attention than these under the radar pitchers who have had similar or better performance:
Kyle Hunter
Jordan Pries
Stephen Landazurri
Cameron Hobson
Stephen Kohlscheen
Roenis Elias
by bp42810 on Nov 28, 2025 9:18 PM EST up reply actions
Miller
He will have to hit a ton, because his glove is pathetically bad. I’ve seen him the last three years at Clemson and he has the worst glove I’ve seen. The range isn’t a big problem, he simply can’t catch the ball. It didn’t mater what position he was at, he didn’t catch the ball. Offensively he’s legit, and I liked his offensive potential better than Levi Michael, but his chance of sticking at SS isn’t very good at all.
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by Archie A on Nov 28, 2025 9:40 PM EST up reply actions
There are tons of awesome names in this system.
Both in that this system has a lot of talent, and that a lot of the players have really cool names.
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by Stupendous Man on Nov 28, 2025 7:08 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Will be interesting to see
How Martinez and Truinfel will be rated. Two infielders with similar approaches that will need their offense to carry them into the majors, though in both cases being rushed hasn’t helped. And in Truinfel’s situation he just needs to stay on the field, but I’d have to think he’s our closest SS to the majors right now, though there might be room for debate with that
by Aesop on Nov 28, 2025 7:58 PM EST via mobile reply actions
paxton-walker
both talented with bright futures but i think ull find the best guys…… law-sickels-goldstein-baseball america-baseball intellect will have walker ahead of paxton in their rankings…
by slapnutz on Nov 28, 2025 11:44 PM EST reply actions
On the subject...
The Mariners posted their minor league players of the year and I think all of the picks make sense.
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by JY on Nov 29, 2025 1:26 AM EST reply actions
I'm curious to know what becomes of Jabari Blash
Blash has some interesting on-base skills (despite some pretty high strikeout rates). I’m also very curious to see what happens with James Jones, Dan Carroll, and (still) Michael Saunders. They’re probably similar insofar as they’re toolsy outfielders at different stages of development (and non-development). I’m also very interested to follow the progression of Phillips Castillo and Guillermo Pimental. Both may develop a ton of power, but they’re very young and strike out a lot right now. I don’t know how folks will rank such unproven talents.
by goyo70 on Nov 29, 2025 11:09 AM EST up reply actions
Interested for rankings on Erasmo Ramirez, Chance Ruffin and Pimentel
Ramirez may not make the Top 20 but his peripherals were way better than his results, and apparently his fastball velo was up later in the year. Could surprise next year, as could Snow. Ruffin had a lot of K’s, but also a lot of BB’s and the reviews on his stuff don’t seem stellar. Pimentel has done nothing to impress me personally (contact ability just isn’t there right now), but the raw power is still there and a lot of people love it. And he’s also still only 19.
by AndrewMcQ on Nov 29, 2025 1:40 PM EST reply actions
Ruffin
Got a B last year, but I think he’s a B-. I think he can play an important bullpen role, and he’s relatively safe, but for a reliever to get a B or better grade, he’d have to be putting up a little better numbers at the very least.
by auclairkeithbc on Nov 29, 2025 4:34 PM EST up reply actions
what about raben
he was old for his league but was impressive
by scoods on Nov 29, 2025 3:22 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Also interested to see how you place Castillo and E Peguero
Both still played AZL this year, but looked fairly good. Should come state side next year I would think.
Also, I know you don’t like rating new IFA, but everything I have heard about Victor Sanchez is he is a very polished pitcher for an international, and could move quicker than most. A 93 mph fastball and a good power curve is always interesting as well.
by tarheels24 on Nov 29, 2025 4:09 PM EST reply actions
Sanchez
I’m curious how he compares to Heredia and Cardona. Heredia got a B- grade, was outpitched by Cardona, and Sanchez received better scouting grades than Cardona at age 16.
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by Rudolf on Nov 29, 2025 4:12 PM EST up reply actions
+1 on Sanchez
If he ends up not getting ranked here, it would be nice to get different POVs of his performance.
by dbreer23 on Nov 29, 2025 4:57 PM EST up reply actions
Why wouldn't Sanchez get ranked?
He was considered the top IFA pitcher by some this summer and guys like Heredia were ranked pretty high.
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by Rudolf on Nov 29, 2025 6:52 PM EST up reply actions
Because generally JS doesn't rank DSL/VSL guys...
That’s all I was saying…but he has gone so far as to rank Guzman, Mazara, E. & O. Hernandez, so maybe that trend is reversing.
by dbreer23 on Nov 29, 2025 7:22 PM EST up reply actions
I think it really depends on how notable the player is
I don’t think people care much about every dude who sees a couple hundred K in the foreign market, but when you start talking about the guys who are getting the big bucks, or the players who are receiving a LOT of scouting buzz, they get put on the list.
Of course, fans of a given team end up wanting to talk about every dude who sees a couple hundred K from said team.
by mrkupe on Nov 29, 2025 8:50 PM EST up reply actions
can't stand pat
Between Chavez, Jones, Tenbrink, Mangini, Travvan, Raban, (Triunfel) et al the bats don’t seem to be developing super well. Other than bringing in some new offense coaching and trading more pitching, what can they do
by bookbook on Nov 29, 2025 10:19 PM EST reply actions
Top 10/11 system in all of baseball
they’ve come a LONG way the last 2+ years in their minors…
Paxton, Walker, Hultzen as their top 3 prospects is a nice trio, Nick Frankiln, Vinnie Catricala, Jose Campos, Joeyrhmn Chavez, Brad Miller, G. Pimental, Dennis Raben, Forrest Snow are some nice/ interesting seondary guys.
I think the M’s should go out and sign a Prince Fielder or STUD bat, maybe Jose Reyes?
and then build around their, pitching in 2-3 years for maybe a decade long they could be the class or at least fighting with Texas of the A.L. West; yes, including Houston (this of course, is assuming Ackley is great and Inchiro plays till he’s 40.)
Pineda, Hernadez, Hultzen, Paxton, Snow, Walker blah blah blah lots and lots of quality pitching.
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by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Nov 30, 2025 6:24 AM EST reply actions
Haha it is possible.
I doubt it though. The makings are there with a couple minor league successes and a couple signings, they aren’t as far away as people think, at least to me.
by tarheels24 on Dec 1, 2025 9:55 AM EST up reply actions
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