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Update on the Blue Jays Prospect List

Plugging away at the Blue Jays list. This is a super-deep system as everyone knows.

Here is a question for you. If you could have Justin Nicolino, Daniel Norris, or Noah Syndergaard, who would you pick and why?

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Which Blue Jays prospect would you want?
Justin Nicolino
213 votes
Daniel Norris
304 votes
Noah Syndergaard
519 votes

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Geeze that's a tough one

I voted for Norris, but I really couldn’t disagree with anyone picking any of the three.

by 4dizzle on Nov 29, 2025 9:23 PM EST reply actions  

Really is a tough choice

Its hard for me to ignore the pro data Nicolino and Syndergaard have put up, but im a believer in Norris and the scouting reports. Really a tough call

by FenixL on Nov 29, 2025 9:30 PM EST reply actions  

Syndergaard, Nicolino, Norris

in that order, for now.

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by Pikachu on Nov 29, 2025 9:32 PM EST reply actions  

What if...

You throw Nestor Molina into the mix, do you have him clearly ahead of these three, in the mix, or behind?

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by BenMc5 on Nov 30, 2025 10:18 AM EST up reply actions  

Behind

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by Jeff Reese on Nov 30, 2025 10:20 AM EST up reply actions  

Behind

But close to Nicolino.

by cookiedabookie on Nov 30, 2025 10:50 AM EST up reply actions  

Before i'd have put him after nicolino

But now he’s behind Norris

Derp

by Pikachu on Nov 30, 2025 12:17 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

ahead

i can’t ignore some of the things Jays minor league coaches and scouts have been saying about Molina. they seem higher on him than Hutchison.

by ayjackson on Nov 30, 2025 1:25 PM EST up reply actions  

+1

Although Norris is one of my favorites from this past draft. I think he is better than Zach Lee was out of high school, but doesn’t get anywhere near the same hype. Norris could be a top twenty pitcher next year if he translates well to pro ball (and I expect him to).

by cookiedabookie on Nov 30, 2025 10:48 AM EST up reply actions  

Easily Norris

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by Jeff Reese on Nov 29, 2025 9:34 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

+1
just based on upside and total talent level, then i’d say synder and then nicolino

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by Dominatio on Nov 29, 2025 11:50 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree

The thing giving me a tough time is the lack of pro data, as I use stats as a major part of my evaluation. That said, I really liked Norris’ scouting reports entering the draft, more so than the other 2. I think he has excellent upside, and in most years would be a slam dunk Top 10 pick.

by killa on Nov 30, 2025 12:07 AM EST up reply actions  

I like all three

I see Norris as being the best blend of both: athletic lefty with above-average velocity and with the potential for two plus offspeeds. The package is not complete yet, but I consider him one of the elite prep arms in last year’s class (I would only take Bundy and Bradley ahead of him).

The decision between Syndergaard and Nicolino is the one that vexes me.

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by Jeff Reese on Nov 30, 2025 8:54 AM EST up reply actions  

+1

I had Norris as third best prep arm last year as well.

by cookiedabookie on Nov 30, 2025 10:51 AM EST up reply actions  

B+ Syndergaard, Norris
B Nicolino

by JaysProspector on Nov 29, 2025 10:03 PM EST reply actions  

Nicolino

-lefty
-upside of #2
-present stuff
-pro data(over norris)
-great control

Really hard to find a con

by The_Bunk on Nov 29, 2025 10:18 PM EST reply actions  

Norris

-LHP
-at LEAST the upside of #2 (not sure he’s an ace, but great upside)
-present stuff (my notes from draft have "electric stuff, 93-95, command of plus curve, quality changeup)
-NO pro data (this makes it tough)
-control not as good presently

It’s a tough argument for me to make, but I really like Norris. W/O the pro data, and seeing some minor league video, combined with my overall tendency to wait until I see the prep players makes it hard. Still though, I’m taking Norris over Nicolino for the upside and where he is at this stage of his career. Not a slam dunk, but that’s why the question was asked.

by killa on Nov 30, 2025 12:13 AM EST up reply actions  

I took Nicolino as well, followed closely by Norris and would still not mind Syndegaard at all...

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by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Nov 30, 2025 5:54 AM EST up reply actions  

Nicolino

Agreed with everything The_Bunk said.

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by punto4mvp on Nov 30, 2025 9:26 AM EST up reply actions  

basically my rationale as well

by gabrielsyme on Nov 29, 2025 10:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Same here.

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by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Nov 29, 2025 10:36 PM EST up reply actions  

I actually think I'd have Syndergaard third

Not that I don’t think he’s great, but I think he’s the most likely of the three to end up in the bullpen.

by 4dizzle on Nov 29, 2025 10:37 PM EST up reply actions  

For what reason?

Syndergaard is built like a tree trunk and should be very durable. I see him as workhorse #2 with ace upside.

by Gadfly26 on Nov 29, 2025 10:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Two reasons

1) Guys that throw that hard can sometimes have durability issues
2) From what I’ve read on him, he’s mostly a fastball/curveball guy for now, with the need to still add a third pitch.

Unrelated to being a reliever, I also feel that guys with that great a fastball just overpower hitters in the low minors, so his strikeout/walk rates aren’t quite as impressive as someone like Nicolino’s, again, in my opinion.

Not saying I’m not very high on Syndergaard, I just think I’d have him a tiny bit behind the other two. Not saying I’d expect him to wind up a reliever or anything.

by 4dizzle on Nov 29, 2025 10:49 PM EST up reply actions  

nicolino is a bit older I think and has more polish than Syndergaard.

Syndergaard was like 17 when he was drafted, he was a bit raw and someone most saw as an off the board pick so his pitches are still developing but I haven’t really seen people say he will become a reliever this early in his career.

He sits around the mid 90’s and can occasionally pump it up to high 90’s but its not like he sits there so as long as he is mid 90’s, that’s fine by me.

by Sniderlover on Nov 29, 2025 11:21 PM EST up reply actions  

So you see throwing 100 as a bad thing?

Guys that throw 85 sometimes have durability issues too.

by jarjets89 on Nov 30, 2025 1:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Depends on your definition of "bad thing"

On it’s own it’s an advantage, but we’ve also seen many cases of guys throwing that hard being more prone to injuries or winding up in the pen.

It also makes it a bit harder to evaluate younger prospects that throw that hard because of how they can just overpower hitters. That’s why - in my opinion - I think the better bet is Nicolino and Norris outperforming him.

Syndergaard certainly has the highest upside of the bunch because of that ability to throw close to 100, but he also may pose the most risk.

by 4dizzle on Nov 30, 2025 4:58 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah but he doesn’t sit in the high 90’s which is different. he throws in the mid 90’s, likely as hard as Pineda and just because he throws hard and can overpower hitter doesn’t mean his stats mean nothing. He had a 2.7 BB/9 through the 3 levels and it improved as the season went on. He is also 6’7 and when you are a power pitcher, that’s great.

just sayin but Alvarez hit 101 on the gun this season but when he came up in the bigs, he sat around 93-94 and pumped it up to 97/98.

by Sniderlover on Nov 30, 2025 5:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Except that he didn’t. He even admitted that the scouts had him at 97 when the Vancouver gun showed 101. He presently tops at 97, which is still amazing given his age and room for growth.

by JaysProspector on Nov 29, 2025 11:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Only because he throws hard?

Is Detroit planning to convert Justin Verlander to a short reliever as well? What hope does Michael Pineda have..

by Matt0330 on Nov 30, 2025 11:17 AM EST up reply actions  

coupled with great fastball command

Has to be Syndergaard.

*note: doesn’t have to be Syndergaard

by ayjackson on Nov 30, 2025 1:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Syndegard, Nicolino, Norris.

I love the late life on Noah’s pitches. He projects even better in the future. He just looks like the total package to me.

I couldn’t really find good video of Nicolino’s pitches, but I’m still rating him above Norris. He seems mature for his age and has a good idea about pitching. Seems to have good intangibles.

I’m less high on Norris. I don’t love the delivery even though he does fine with it. The command should be good. I think he’ll be less successful and more prone to injury than the other two.

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by padmadfan on Nov 29, 2025 10:26 PM EST reply actions  

I prefer Syndergaard

I think you could make a case for an A- grade for him.

by Gadfly26 on Nov 29, 2025 10:30 PM EST reply actions  

syndergaard

He is more protectable at 6 5 200
He has the better velocity

He has the professional stats over Norris and he is a year younger than nicolino at the same level

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by Bluebirdz on Nov 29, 2025 10:47 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions  

geez he's becoming a monster

But in a good way

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by Bluebirdz on Nov 30, 2025 8:26 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions  

Love em all but I picked Nicolino

He’s the skinniest of the three at 6’3" 160lbs. He seems most likely to put on a little weight and gain more arm strength. If he adds a couple ticks on his fastball, it could setup his off-speed even more and be pretty dominant.

by Matthew Mueller on Nov 29, 2025 10:52 PM EST reply actions  

that might be his listed weight, but does he really weigh that much now?

I mean geez, you’d almost have to be withholding food from the kid for that number.

by mrkupe on Nov 29, 2025 11:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Gotta be Noah for now

I love that size, and the numbers are just too damn good to ignore. Plus I’ve driven through his hometown 100 times going from HTown to Dallas.

by kyuss94 on Nov 29, 2025 11:09 PM EST reply actions  

Syndergaard, Nicolino, Norris.

It’s a tough one but I think Norris has to be last simply because there is no pro data and these guys had great years and have tons of potential. Syndergaard is throwing hard, showing good command, getting strikeouts + groundballs. Nicolino velocity is up as well around low 90’s, showing good command, strikeouts (lefty is a huge plus too) but I went with Syndergaard simply because of the upside. Nicolino could also grow add a tick or two if he fills out more so there is upside in his arm as well.

by Sniderlover on Nov 29, 2025 11:24 PM EST reply actions  

Syndergaard, Norris, Nicolino

I don’t think its even close unless you desperately want to go with a lefty. Syndergaard has the body you would envision would allow him to eat innings, he has a big fastball, its a matter of refining the secondary pitches and command, but then again isn’t that what pretty much everyone needs

Nicolino is already 20 and has thrown about 60 innings, give me Norris who is about 18 months younger.

by GoldenSpikes24 on Nov 29, 2025 11:31 PM EST reply actions  

Tough

But Syndergaard. Build like a young brute with an easy delivery that can pump it into the upper 90’s and actually command it. I like Norris too though.

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by CaptainCanuck on Nov 29, 2025 11:49 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

mine

Currently I have Syndergaard on top, but can’t decide between Nicolino and Norris

by John Sickels on Nov 29, 2025 11:55 PM EST reply actions  

that's how I have it, as well

But I’ve got Norris ahead of Nicolino. I like Nicolino’s polish, but Norris has the potential for three good offerings as well, and his upside looks to be considerably higher. When we’re talking about pitchers of this age and level of experience, I think Norris has to be the choice. If we’re three years down the line, the profiles are similar, and they’re both sitting in AA, maybe the balance shifts to Nicolino and his safer floor.

by mrkupe on Nov 30, 2025 12:03 AM EST up reply actions  

Nicolino slightly ahead of Norris for me

though that could change quickly

Derp

by Pikachu on Nov 30, 2025 12:11 AM EST up reply actions  

+1

Exactly. Nicolino has proven himself in pro ball, and while I fully expect Norris to, I have to be a bit more cautious until he has to done it.

by cookiedabookie on Nov 30, 2025 10:54 AM EST up reply actions  

Same with me

The two are close, and I think Norris has the higher ceiling, but I’d give the edge to Nicolino for pro-data.

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by Frag on Nov 30, 2025 10:57 AM EST up reply actions  

honestly, just flip a coin. Its soooooooooooooooo close that it doesn’t even matter.

by Sniderlover on Nov 30, 2025 12:19 AM EST up reply actions  

wait what this is the baseball prospect industry

there is no such thing as a gamblin man in this business, i mean come on.

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by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Nov 30, 2025 5:55 AM EST up reply actions  

Nicolino with a slight edge

I may be biased- he’s the only significant Jays prospect I’ve seen live. When I did see him though, he got almost exclusively ground balls. Statcorner doesn’t cover the NWL, so I don’t have any data, but that’s what I seem to recall from the game summaries as well on milb. The risk of a top draftee like Norris struggling out of the gate isn’t very high, but even if it’s 20%, I think that gives the edge to a guy like Nicolino who had a great season and isn’t that far behind on stuff.

by gabrielsyme on Nov 30, 2025 4:35 AM EST up reply actions  

Geez that is a tough call. I voted Norris but I can see the argument for all three.

by Parallex on Nov 30, 2025 12:59 AM EST reply actions  

Three Blind Mice...?

I don’t think so!

Nicolino: pretty much EVERY scouting report on him last year was wonderful. Repeatedly, they mentioned that besides all his normal stuff being excellent he had an off-speed pitch that literally made all the batters look silly. Proven great ground ball guy.

Syndergaard: When drafted he was a 6’ 5" horse! Now he’s a 6’ 7" Clydesdale. Proven great ground ball guy. This guy is going to amaze.

Norris: Only the best HS lefty in the draft. Not exactly chopped liver, eh? However - the year before Griffin Murphy (Murphy Griffin?) was touted as being the best HS pitcher in that draft and while good - he didn’t amaze.

The first two have EXCELLENT projection matched by EXCELLENT results…Norris has EXCELLENT projection. Clearly the first two are superior - AT THIS TIME - by May next year - who knows - BUT - this isn’t May next year - yet.

by Mylegacy on Nov 30, 2025 12:14 PM EST reply actions  

Griffin Murphy?

Was touted as the best high school pitcher in the 2010 draft? What?

by 4dizzle on Nov 30, 2025 12:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Murphy

best prep lefty as i seem to recall (at the time of the draft)

by FenixL on Nov 30, 2025 1:31 PM EST up reply actions  

That was a really bad year for prep LHPs though

It would be better to compare him to the 2009 class (not that Matzek or Purke have been good but talent wise its a much better match).

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by Jeff Reese on Nov 30, 2025 1:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Syndergaard, Nicolino, Norris

Syndergaard because he’s younger than Nicolino and was almost as good statistically. Nicolino over Norris because there’s so little wrong with Nicolino’s results and reports, while Norris may have slightly higher upside his floor is unknown. And Nicolino’s floor seems pretty darn good.

by Woodman663 on Nov 30, 2025 2:51 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

+1

by cookiedabookie on Nov 30, 2025 3:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Nicolino, Norris, Syndergaard

Its just so hard to argue against the scouting reports, results and the overall repetoire. If Justin can get bigger he will be a beast and that is something which can be done through diet regimen.

Norris was compared to Matt Purke at the same age and though his delivery is odd im sure its nothing that can’t be smoothed out. He’s got a repetoire for being a top flight starter with a fastball as high as 97 but an ability to pitch with it in the low 90’s. I’ve read his curveball has to take more shape but he’s got so many pitches and a great build so I can believe it.

Syndergaard is just a guy who strikes me as most likely to get hurt. He’s throwing 100mph darts in the minors and not many guys arms have unlimited darts like those unless their name is Verlander. Also he throws a splitter and guys who throw those always experience problems.

That said Syndergaard is built like a brick house, but to be honest, the differences between these threes ceilings are so slight as they could all be #1 guys depending on how they end up putting it all together.

by Brando159 on Nov 30, 2025 3:26 PM EST reply actions  

Syndergaard has a durable body first of all.

Secondly, he doesn’t throw 101; those minor league radar guns are a few MPH too fast, I would say he’s around 97.

Syndergaards splitter is something he rarely uses at the moment, also what are you saying that guys who throw them always experience problems? Halladay throws a splitter, Jason Frasor throws a splitter, Jack Morris threw a splitter, there are a bunch of guys who throw them and have had relatively injury-free careers.

by Adamthebluejay on Nov 30, 2025 4:09 PM EST up reply actions  

I do give you that my generalization on splitters isn’t as well informed but its more intuitive - guys who throw splitters get hurt which is why you don’t see them all that often in the majors (Alex Cobb excepted, but he got hurt too), but Frasor’s splitter is terrible, Halladay well is Halladay and Morris was great when he played. Currently you really just don’t see to many pitchers throw them - John could prob put this to rest with his knowledge.

Yah, Syndergaard rarely throws the split, but to be honest generally you don’t throw many splitters, its not a slider. Proportionally pitchers don’t throw many splitters (exept Alex Cobb)

by Brando159 on Nov 30, 2025 5:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Hiroki Kuroda, Tim Hudson, Dan Haren, Ubaldo Jimenez

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by Woodman663 on Nov 30, 2025 7:08 PM EST up reply actions  

I honestly didn’t even knew he threw a splitter. I thought it was a good change-up and he is working on a curveball

by Sniderlover on Nov 30, 2025 5:12 PM EST up reply actions  

The splitter essentially is a type of change-up

Guys throw it with varying differentials to their normal fastball and the slower one definitely qualify as changes in my opinion.

by nixa37 on Dec 3, 2025 7:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Norris

I’ll ask this question: No doubt, Syndergaard and Nicolino had great results in 2011 and very much upped their stock. Still, I’d say they’re both borderline top-100 prospects now.

Obviously, Norris is behind them in experience. But if Norris had the same year in 2012 as, say, Nicolino had in 2011, would he be a borderline top-100 guy? He’d probably be a top-50 guy, easily, because of his pedigree today.

That’s a main reason why he ranks above the other two for me.

by 4dizzle on Nov 30, 2025 5:03 PM EST reply actions  

then where do you have Aaron Sanchez?

good pedigree, mixed results.

by ayjackson on Nov 30, 2025 5:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Daniel Norris was a better prospect when drafted than Aaron Sanchez

Norris was a legitimate top 15 talent.

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by Jeff Reese on Nov 30, 2025 7:20 PM EST up reply actions  

sanchez was too on a few boards

though his draft was weaker. I’m not sure there was much between them. Sanchez was less heavily scouted though, coming out of Barstow.

by ayjackson on Nov 30, 2025 9:05 PM EST up reply actions  

I can only speak for myself

But I liked Norris considerably more as a draft prospect than I did Sanchez. That’s not to say that I didn’t I like Sanchez, but he just didn’t offer the same upside or present stuff. I expect Norris to have an AJ Cole type of season next year where everyone is left saying “yeah, that guy was worth the price tag.”

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by Jeff Reese on Dec 1, 2025 8:45 AM EST up reply actions  

+1

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