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Tim Beckham suspended 50 games.

Rays shortstop prospect Tim Beckham has been suspended 50 games for a positive drug test. It's a "drug of abuse" suspension, not performance-enhancing. And it's also Beckham's second such violation. The former first-round draft pick was off to a rough start at the Triple-A level this season, batting just .204/.290/.278 in 13 games for the Durham Bulls. Per Rotoworld. How big of a hit does his prospect status take? DO the Rays cut ties with Beckham?

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Haha, cut ties?

Give me a break, it was weed.

by mr. maniac on May 1, 2025 8:04 PM EDT reply actions  

So what?

He’s already proved what an utter moron he is and this is his second violation of the substance abuse policy. Couple that with that he’s a middle of the road prospect and the Rays wouldn’t even miss him.

by Looney4baseball on May 1, 2025 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Laugh all you want.

He’s not even the Rays best SS prospect. Couple that with makeup issues off the field and mediocre statistics and he’s a bust in the wings.

by Looney4baseball on May 1, 2025 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who thinks he is the Rays best SS prospect?

They have Hak-Ju Lee, who is a top 50 prospect by some people.

by mr. maniac on May 1, 2025 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

He didn't say he is the best SS prospect

He stated “He’s not even the Rays best SS prospect.”

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by King Billy Royal on May 1, 2025 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

That is my point.

Why the heck does that matter? Does that make him insignificant? Should the we disregard Guerrieri because Moore is a better prospect?

by mr. maniac on May 2, 2025 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

what?

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by calc on Apr 21, 2025 8:06 PM CDT reply actions

by SandalsNoPants on May 2, 2025 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

the 4th best SS for any given team is usually a player in AA

the 4th best pitcher for any given team is hopefully a very solid MLB pitcher.

by pedrophile on May 2, 2025 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, I understand what you're saying.

But the Rays covet positional flexibility. Last season, they rostered Zobrist, Brignac, EJohnson, and Rodriguez all at the same time, and they’re all perfectly capable of playing SS. Longoria could probably hold his own there, too, I bet. In regards to other teams, you may have more of a point, though, but they seem not to mind carrying as many SS on the major league roster as SP.

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by calc on Apr 21, 2025 8:06 PM CDT reply actions

by SandalsNoPants on May 2, 2025 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

agreed

but the Guerrieri/Moore comp was weak. Moore is an ace in the making and Guerrieri has a long shot to be an ace. Big difference from that and what Beckham projects.

I wasn’t as low on Beckham as others, but if his D isn’t that great, they have superior options at both the major and minor league level, his hitting isn’t that great, and he has multiple suspensions it’s a fairly easy decision to cut him.

by pedrophile on May 2, 2025 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Come on.

No team is going to cut a shortstop who has Beckham’s potential while he is this young. Maybe if he was 25+ and still trying to figure it out, but there’s way any GM or owner even passes that thought through his brain.

And does he have multiple suspensions?

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by calc on Apr 21, 2025 8:06 PM CDT reply actions

by SandalsNoPants on May 2, 2025 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, he has had two suspensions

And while maybe they shouldn’t, remember the Rays cut Hamilton. I remember screaming how this was a horrible move only to be met with ambivalence.

by pedrophile on May 3, 2025 1:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

When was his other suspension?

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by calc on Apr 21, 2025 8:06 PM CDT reply actions

by SandalsNoPants on May 3, 2025 8:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

sorry, I meant 2nd positive test

I don’t know if he was suspended on his first positive test. I did a search and nothing came up …

by pedrophile on May 3, 2025 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

That is correct.

It was his first suspension for breaking the rules twice.

by mr. maniac on May 3, 2025 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

And are you comparing Beckham to Hamilton?

lulz

It’s not quite the same situation.

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by calc on Apr 21, 2025 8:06 PM CDT reply actions

by SandalsNoPants on May 3, 2025 8:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

While the severity wasn't, they were both suspended for the same reasons.

With Hamilton ultimately released because of the issues.

by Looney4baseball on May 3, 2025 8:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Issues is the key word there.

I doubt Beckham has any issues. He just enjoys weed. Hamilton was self-destructive.

Until I see Beckham destroying his or other people’s lives, I’m willing to chalk this up a mistake and not anything bigger. In this case, the severity of the suspension is probably a lot more over the top than the infraction.

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by calc on Apr 21, 2025 8:06 PM CDT reply actions

by SandalsNoPants on May 3, 2025 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

You doubt he has any issues when he

was suspended once for weed and then couldn’t stay off it and avoid a second suspension? The first time was a mistake, the second stupidity.

Whether the severity of the suspension is more over the top than the infraction is not relevant. He knew the rules, agreed to them yet couldn’t abide by them.

by Looney4baseball on May 3, 2025 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Try again.

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by calc on Apr 21, 2025 8:06 PM CDT reply actions

by SandalsNoPants on May 3, 2025 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Try again what?

He failed a second test and was suspended. You don’t get suspended for the first failed test for a drug of abuse. Stop acting like an 8 year old.

by Looney4baseball on May 3, 2025 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is a personal attack. Mods please take notice.

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by calc on Apr 21, 2025 8:06 PM CDT reply actions

by SandalsNoPants on May 3, 2025 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

What do you mean?

I mean, I get what you mean, but where did I insult you?

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by calc on Apr 21, 2025 8:06 PM CDT reply actions

by SandalsNoPants on May 3, 2025 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Did I say you insulted me?

I said you were beligerant and sarcastic.

by Looney4baseball on May 3, 2025 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

plus, if you think that was a personal attack

then you must be new to the internet. I didn’t call you an 8 year old, I said to stop acting like one. That hardly qualifies as a personal attack.

by Looney4baseball on May 3, 2025 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm a fan of keeping discussions civil.

I’m sure Mr. Sickels would also appreciate that.

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by calc on Apr 21, 2025 8:06 PM CDT reply actions

by SandalsNoPants on May 3, 2025 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was belligerent?

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by calc on Apr 21, 2025 8:06 PM CDT reply actions

by SandalsNoPants on May 3, 2025 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dude, you bait him and then call for the mods?

That is acting like an 8 year old.

by pedrophile on May 3, 2025 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I baited him?

He was wrong about the suspensions. I did not bait him into insulting me.

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by calc on Apr 21, 2025 8:06 PM CDT reply actions

by SandalsNoPants on May 3, 2025 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was wrong about him being suspended twice.

Either way he failed the test twice.

by Looney4baseball on May 3, 2025 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, all of that is factually correct.

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by calc on Apr 21, 2025 8:06 PM CDT reply actions

by SandalsNoPants on May 3, 2025 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks for the confirmation.

I can sleep better tonight knowing you approve.

by Looney4baseball on May 3, 2025 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

You're welcome.

Not sure why you’re getting so aggravated over internet stuff, but you’re welcome.

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by calc on Apr 21, 2025 8:06 PM CDT reply actions

by SandalsNoPants on May 3, 2025 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

You assume a lot.

No aggravated at all.

by Looney4baseball on May 3, 2025 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

You're insulting people over an argument about Tim Beckham.

Just try to be more civil, please.

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by calc on Apr 21, 2025 8:06 PM CDT reply actions

by SandalsNoPants on May 3, 2025 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

It matters because he was their number 1 pick.

Surely you expect that a number 1 pick be the best prospect that they have at the respective position. Add that to the lack of production and poor makeup issues and you have the makings of a bust. Just like Pedrophile said, you don’t have 5 starting SS. Where is he going to play, 2B? He’s not as good as Zobrist’s bat. It also goes to add to my assertion that he’s a middle of the road prospect and wouldn’t be missed if cut. He’s likely not even their second best SS prospect with all the SS they drafted in 2011. The ONLY thing giving Beckham any value is his draft position and the amount of money they have invested in him. As for your “Give me a break, it was weed” comment, it just goes to show his lack of caring and dedication to baseball. You know you’re being tested year round, yet you don’t care enough about your job enough to lay off of it. I don’t care he smoked weed at all, he doesn’t care either and that is a problem.

by Looney4baseball on May 2, 2025 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

you seem to be getting, um, a little emotional about all this

At this point, the fact that he was the No. 1 pick doesn’t matter to anybody but media types. It’s 4 years after the fact now.

If he can play shortstop and hit a bit, he’ll start for somebody on his own merits, because there really aren’t very many guys at all who can do both of those things.

by mrkupe on May 2, 2025 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

+1

I think I’ve had the discussion with Looney before in which he believed that Beckham should be discounted because of where he was picked. I really don’t have the time to argue something like that.

by mr. maniac on May 2, 2025 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yankees fans...

tsk tsk

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by calc on Apr 21, 2025 8:06 PM CDT reply actions

by SandalsNoPants on May 2, 2025 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

LOL

I might be a Yankees fan but I still recognize talent no matter what team it is on and appreciate that talent. The Rays draft and find talent very well and I wish the Yankees could do that.

If Beckham were a Yankee I would be just as critical of his perceived lack of caring and statistical struggles. Of course, if he were a Yankee, he’d probably be ranked in the top 50 overall, right? :)

by Looney4baseball on May 2, 2025 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Would you want him cut if he was a prospect for the Yankees?

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by calc on Apr 21, 2025 8:06 PM CDT reply actions

by SandalsNoPants on May 2, 2025 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

So yes, then?

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by calc on Apr 21, 2025 8:06 PM CDT reply actions

by SandalsNoPants on May 2, 2025 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, but there's a lot to it.

As a fan, I would rather see them let him go. If I were on the Yankees staff it would be more difficult because of what they have invested in him. Unfortunately, he doesn’t seem to really care about what the Rays have invested in him, so I’d probably lean toward cutting him there too.

by Looney4baseball on May 3, 2025 8:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Why would you want a young capable SS cut from your farm system?

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by calc on Apr 21, 2025 8:06 PM CDT reply actions

by SandalsNoPants on May 3, 2025 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

I see the answer below.

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by calc on Apr 21, 2025 8:06 PM CDT reply actions

by SandalsNoPants on May 3, 2025 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

Already answered several times.

The effects of short term memory loss seem apparent here.

by Looney4baseball on May 3, 2025 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

The Rays have a short fuse when it comes to stuff like this.

Young, Garza, Dukes, Navarro, etc. I don’t think the CBA allows for his release until his suspension is over, but if he comes back and plays like crap for three months, he’s gone after the season.

http://mlbprospectpulse.com/beckham-suspended-rays-future-in-doubt/

by mlbprospectpulse on May 3, 2025 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

+1000

I couldn’t agree more with that article. It was almost like I wrote it with everything the writer said matching my thoughts exactly.

by Looney4baseball on May 3, 2025 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

What are the author's credentials?

Sounds like he’s just a regular guy, but I didn’t google him or anything.

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by calc on Apr 21, 2025 8:06 PM CDT reply actions

by SandalsNoPants on May 3, 2025 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

You want his credentials, look him up.

What does it really matter if he’s just a regular guy anyway? Most writers are.

by Looney4baseball on May 3, 2025 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'll save you the trouble

http://mlbprospectpulse.com/about/

by mlbprospectpulse on May 3, 2025 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry.

I don’t mean to offend (this probably will, anyway), but I don’t find you (or whoever else if you’re not the author) to be a reputable source.

Citing that article is citing a fanpost by some schmuck on one of these sites. It’s pretty meaningless, and why were Navarro and Garza listed?

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by calc on Apr 21, 2025 8:06 PM CDT reply actions

by SandalsNoPants on May 3, 2025 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

So calling a guy a schmuck and dismissing his credentials isn't a personal attack?

I’m not the author, but I would think that someone that is a “staff researcher for Retrosheet and held roles with the Seattle Mariners, Milwaukee Brewers and Arizona Fall League.” has enough credentials to write an internet article.

by Looney4baseball on May 3, 2025 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

I didn't call him a schmuck.

I referred to all of us as schmucks.

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by calc on Apr 21, 2025 8:06 PM CDT reply actions

by SandalsNoPants on May 3, 2025 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

You said:

“Citing that article is citing a fanpost by some schmuck on one of these sites.” Either you have a problem with understanding what you write or you’re just wrong. By some schmuck is calling him a schmuck, schmuck.

by Looney4baseball on May 3, 2025 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I meant schmuck as in some average joe.

I’m not sure what the problem is.

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by calc on Apr 21, 2025 8:06 PM CDT reply actions

by SandalsNoPants on May 3, 2025 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Because you don't know what schmuck means then.

It is an obnoxious, contemptible or detestable person, or one who is stupid or foolish. Don’t use words that you don’t know the meaning of.

by Looney4baseball on May 3, 2025 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

You don't think most people who post on internet message boards fall under any of those categories?

Should I use the word “bozo” instead?

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by calc on Apr 21, 2025 8:06 PM CDT reply actions

by SandalsNoPants on May 3, 2025 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I do.

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by calc on Apr 21, 2025 8:06 PM CDT reply actions

by SandalsNoPants on May 3, 2025 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

LOL

I understand that there’s no way to edit posts in the antiquated system and that I need to do a better job spellchecking next time.

by Looney4baseball on May 5, 2025 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

Did he cite his article as some sort of proof?

It appeared to me he gave his opinion and further linked in an article from his site.

by pedrophile on May 3, 2025 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why are Garza and Navarro on the list?

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by calc on Apr 21, 2025 8:06 PM CDT reply actions

by SandalsNoPants on May 3, 2025 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

"Why are Garza and Navarro on the list?"

“All have had their own battles, either with drugs or with each other..”

They’re clubhouse cancers.

Rock the boat, and you’re history.

by mlbprospectpulse on May 3, 2025 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol one incident for Garza?

from what I read and heard around the park at that time
The incident was way overblown and hé wasn’t throwing the bat at the umpire, yes it ended up in his general direction but it was more just a fling aimlessly. It was a road game so I didn’t see it but I talked to people who were there at the time.
by Dbullsfan

by SRQman on May 3, 2025 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is this for real?

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by calc on Apr 21, 2025 8:06 PM CDT reply actions

by SandalsNoPants on May 3, 2025 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

What are you trying to say here regarding short term memory loss?

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by calc on Apr 21, 2025 8:06 PM CDT reply actions

by SandalsNoPants on May 3, 2025 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly.

Thanks for proving my point.

by Looney4baseball on May 3, 2025 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

What was your point?

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by calc on Apr 21, 2025 8:06 PM CDT reply actions

by SandalsNoPants on May 3, 2025 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

How many times are you going to ask what the point is?

Especially when it refers to the comment “The effects of short term memory loss seem apparent here.”

by Looney4baseball on May 3, 2025 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why did you make that post, though?

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by calc on Apr 21, 2025 8:06 PM CDT reply actions

by SandalsNoPants on May 3, 2025 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I dont feel I need to explain my art to you, Warren.

Some people might get the reference.

by Looney4baseball on May 3, 2025 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why do you refuse to back up your own words?

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by calc on Apr 21, 2025 8:06 PM CDT reply actions

by SandalsNoPants on May 3, 2025 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Because it was already answered.

I can’t help if you’re not smart enough to figure it out.

by Looney4baseball on May 3, 2025 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'll add this to your file of personal attacks.

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by calc on Apr 21, 2025 8:06 PM CDT reply actions

by SandalsNoPants on May 3, 2025 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe not, but your post was a personal attack.

You’re pretty much the only dude posting on here who isn’t being civil. Maybe you should take a break.

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by calc on Apr 21, 2025 8:06 PM CDT reply actions

by SandalsNoPants on May 3, 2025 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Reading is fundamental.

and you lack fundamentals.

by Looney4baseball on May 3, 2025 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'll add that one, too.

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by calc on Apr 21, 2025 8:06 PM CDT reply actions

by SandalsNoPants on May 3, 2025 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I never said that he should be discounted because of where he was picked.

I said I believe he still gets the benefit of the doubt because of where he was picked when the statistics and reports to do not warrant it. He’s pretty much proved that with his second drug related suspension that he is still getting the benefit of the doubt.

by Looney4baseball on May 2, 2025 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

what does his failed drug test have anything to do with him getting the benefit of the doubt of being 1:1 pick?

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by calc on Apr 21, 2025 8:06 PM CDT reply actions

by SandalsNoPants on May 2, 2025 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

because if he were a mid round pick

with 2 failed drug tests and a mediocre production level, they would have already cut him. Hence, his draft pick status and money invested allows him more chances than others not drafted 1:1.

by Looney4baseball on May 2, 2025 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why would they have cut him?

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by calc on Apr 21, 2025 8:06 PM CDT reply actions

by SandalsNoPants on May 2, 2025 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I've only said why several times.

The answer is: 2 failed drug tests and a mediocre production level. If they didn’t have around $6 million invested in him (IIRC), and the 1:1 pick, then they would have a lot less reason to keep him.

by Looney4baseball on May 3, 2025 9:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Mediocre meaning league average while playing SS while being young for his league?

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by calc on Apr 21, 2025 8:06 PM CDT reply actions

by SandalsNoPants on May 3, 2025 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

I already addressed league average before.

League average takes into account the prospects and non-prospects in a league. League average is the definition of mediocre: of only ordinary or moderate quality.

by Looney4baseball on May 3, 2025 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

What would be minimal acceptability to you out of your SS prospect?

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by calc on Apr 21, 2025 8:06 PM CDT reply actions

by SandalsNoPants on May 3, 2025 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Please either answer the question or don't respond to it.

Thanks.

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by calc on Apr 21, 2025 8:06 PM CDT reply actions

by SandalsNoPants on May 3, 2025 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

A little snarky aren't you?

I’ll respond as I see fit. Maybe if you asked a more specific question next time you’ll get an answer.

by Looney4baseball on May 3, 2025 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

What would be minimal acceptability to you out of your SS prospect?

That is as specific as you want to make it.

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by calc on Apr 21, 2025 8:06 PM CDT reply actions

by SandalsNoPants on May 3, 2025 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Give me the batting line.

R HR RBI SB AVG. Maybe include K% BB %

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by calc on Apr 21, 2025 8:06 PM CDT reply actions

by SandalsNoPants on May 3, 2025 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Since it's obvious you don't get it,

what round draft pick? What age? What level? This is why I said your question was too vague. I should charge for these lessons.

by Looney4baseball on May 3, 2025 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

It doesn't matter.

Make up a few scenarios. Draft round is pretty irrelevant, though. Let’s pretend the guy’s been in the organization for a few seasons, he plays shortstop, and the team thinks he may be a part of its future. GO!

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by calc on Apr 21, 2025 8:06 PM CDT reply actions

by SandalsNoPants on May 3, 2025 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

It does matter because

the higher the draft pick the greater the expectations I have for that prospect. It also matters the type of player the SS prospect profiles as - speedster, slap hitter, power hitter. I prefer power hitting SS (who doesn’t), but the reality is that there aren’t very many of those.

A slash line of around .280/.370/.400 with 25-30 SB for a 22-23 year old in AA would be something to work with.

by Looney4baseball on May 3, 2025 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

That equates to someone like

Tyler Saladino. It’s not like I expect every prospect to be a superstar, but I’d rather have Saladino than Beckham.

by Looney4baseball on May 3, 2025 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Outside of the walk rate, I don't think there's much of a difference between them.

I do value the BB%, and if I had to choose, there’s a good chance I’d choose Saladino right now, but I don’t think he’s worlds better than Beckham, considering the age difference at each level.

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by calc on Apr 21, 2025 8:06 PM CDT reply actions

by SandalsNoPants on May 3, 2025 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Saladino has put up lines of

.309 .389 .442 831 in A ball
.270 .360 .501 861 in A+ ball
.253 .407 .363 770 in AA.

All are better lines than Beckham has put up anywhere. I prefer players that can get on base and Saladino’s worst OBP is still .020 better than Beckham’s best.

You say that there’s a good chance you’d choose Saladino, but he’s not a top 100 prospect and doesn’t get any press like Beckham.

by Looney4baseball on May 3, 2025 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Age difference, man.

Also, there’s some SSS in there.

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by calc on Apr 21, 2025 8:06 PM CDT reply actions

by SandalsNoPants on May 4, 2025 8:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

There's a 1 year age difference.

and there’s some SSS for Beckham too, but almost all the same general low .700 OPS.

by Looney4baseball on May 5, 2025 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

1 yr and 1 level, though, isn't it?

which a 2 year difference at the same level.

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by calc on Apr 21, 2025 8:06 PM CDT reply actions

by SandalsNoPants on May 5, 2025 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

um

Beckham went .275/.339/.395 with 15 SB (107 games) as a 21 yrold in AA. That’s not too far off your mark that you gave a guy 1-2 yrs older.

But you’d cut him?

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by SandalsNoPants on May 3, 2025 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

damn right I would.

Poor makeup and he can’t get on base enough for someone with less than average power.

by Looney4baseball on May 3, 2025 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

and I put those stats like that on purpose

knowing you’d come back with that exact stat line from Beckham.

by Looney4baseball on May 3, 2025 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

So you put together a stat line on purpose because you knew it would disprove your argument?

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by calc on Apr 21, 2025 8:06 PM CDT reply actions

by SandalsNoPants on May 3, 2025 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, I put it out there so

you could have something to debate. If I put up .300/.400/.500 there wouldn’t be much to discuss and it would be an elite prospect.

Saladino is a better prospect in my opinion and he gets no press and not even close to top 100 lists I dont believe.

by Looney4baseball on May 3, 2025 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

But Beckham pretty much fits your description of what you're looking for.

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by SandalsNoPants on May 3, 2025 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, because

he doesn’t get on base enough and in lieu of not getting on base enough, he also doesn’t have enough power to make up for that.

by Looney4baseball on May 3, 2025 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tim Beckham has less than average power?

What is average power? Are you talking league average or SS average?

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by SandalsNoPants on May 3, 2025 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

12 homers between AA/AAA last year

probably equates to around 6-8 homers in the majors is my thinking.

by Looney4baseball on May 3, 2025 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

It might equate to that, but I don't think anyone really knows his major league power potential

based on his age 21 season in the minors. Is HR the power you consider? Do you look at ISO, which includes all XBH? Beckham hits a lot of doubles, and as he gets older/stronger, there’s a decent chance he could turn some of those into HR. I don’t think it’s out of the realm of possibility that he could hit double digit HR in the majors at this point.

Also, why would you bother comparing a SS’s power to the ML average? How many SS are held to this standard? Why not compare him to other SS?

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by SandalsNoPants on May 4, 2025 8:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

OUtside of his 100 at bat anomalie in AAA last year,

Beckham’s ISOP has been around .100 and his GB rate is in the 50-60% range. You’re not going to hit a lot of home runs when you’re hitting 70+% of balls on the ground and line drives. Doubles dont turn into home runs when they are on the ground or a line drive.

Maybe you and I differ in view how minor leaguers are evaluated, because when an “expert” says player A will have average to slightly above average power, I interpret it as they are saying overall, not for that position. The reason why I dont compare players by just the position is because average power for a SS/2B is much different than an OF. Once the player steps to the plate, the position they play is largely irrelevant to their power ability. Comparing him to other SS only, I don’t know if 6-10 HR is average for the position.

by Looney4baseball on May 5, 2025 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

that's exactly why I wouldn't compare ss to league average.

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by SandalsNoPants on May 5, 2025 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not getting emotional at all.

In fact, I think I’m less emotional than any Rays fan about the status of their prospects. I have no stake in Beckham’s prospect status. I’m simply pointing out that Beckham doesn’t care enough about his job to stay away from smoking weed and appears to have no drive to be a good player.

Maybe we just fundamentally disagree on what constitutes hitting ‘a bit’. I do agree that if he can do both of those things he will start for somebody, as players that can only do one of those things are in the majors and playing. However, that really doesn’t go to his prospect status. I disagree that being the No. 1 pick doesn’t matter to anybody but media types, because if he were a mid round pick, the Rays would have likely cut him by now. The Yankees cut Ruben Rivera for stealing a glove.

by Looney4baseball on May 2, 2025 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

How do you figure he has no drive to be a good player?

All I’ve heard is about his excellent work ethic. Why would the Rays cut a borderline top 100 prospect who hits league average at shortstop.

I think people may be wrong by calling you emotional. You seem to be simply misinformed.

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by SandalsNoPants on May 2, 2025 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Uh

If you think Beckham is a borderline top 100 guy, I think you’re the one who is more misinformed. That’s not where the consensus is at all, if I recall he made one top 100 list and that was the very backend of Mayo’s.

by MjwW on May 2, 2025 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Ugh.

I went to rec your post and flagged it. Sorry.

by Looney4baseball on May 2, 2025 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was under the impression he was on the bubble for a handful of those rankings.

Is this not true?

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by SandalsNoPants on May 2, 2025 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have no idea

We generally don’t know what the lists look like beyond what’s published

by MjwW on May 2, 2025 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Weird.

I’m probably wrong, then, but I thought I saw him in a few top 120s, where some players were listed after 100. Maybe I imagined the whole thing.

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by SandalsNoPants on May 3, 2025 8:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

Becasue getting suspended for 50 games for drugs shows you don't care.

Excellent work ethic or not, when you willfully do drugs during the season knowing that you are being tested then you simply don’t give a crap. Having the frive to be a good player means you don’t get suspended for drugs because you’re driven not to do them because you don’t want to get suspended.

by Looney4baseball on May 2, 2025 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think you're reading too much into it.

It MIGHT show that he doesn’t care, but no one knows that for a fact. All it really shows is that he is immature and made a couple of mistakes. He’ll be on the Rays next season, most likely, and he won’t have to worry about this terrible policy any longer.

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by calc on Apr 21, 2025 8:06 PM CDT reply actions

by SandalsNoPants on May 2, 2025 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think you're reading enough into it.

Whether anyone agrees or disagrees on the drug policy in baseball, the rules and the suspension policy for failing tests are clearly spelled out. The players all agree when they sign their contracts that they not violate this policy or be subject to the punishment.

That said, Beckham knew the rules, yet he violated the rule not once, but twice now. If that doesn’t show you that he doesn’t care about being the best player he can be then I really don’t know what else to say. I’m more than willing to concede that the first time is an immature mistake, but the second time I completely disagree that it’s an immature mistake. It is more of a lack of intelligence to me if he knows the punishment but still doesn’t care about it or thinks he won’t get caught. Terrible policy or not, he agreed to the policy when he signed the contract and should be able to stop smoking weed in exchange for the millions they are paying him. It’s not rocket science.

by Looney4baseball on May 3, 2025 9:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

It won't even matter next season, though.

He won’t be subjected to that policy.

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by SandalsNoPants on May 3, 2025 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

why not?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_League_Baseball_drug_policy

Unless you are suggesting he will be out of baseball next season which makes arguments here moot.

by pedrophile on May 3, 2025 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

12 months from now, he'll be golden
Drugs of Abuse

Testing for drugs of abuse is not administered randomly, but on a basis of reasonable cause. If one of the HPAC panel members has evidence that a player has used, possessed, or sold banned substances in the last 12 months, they call a conference and discuss the evidence with the other members. If a majority vote to test the suspected player is reached then testing will take place no more than 48 hours later.

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by SandalsNoPants on May 3, 2025 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Beckham was a terrible pick, the Rays "settled" on him because

they wouldn’t give Posey or Alvarez a major league contract.

I’m more surprised at what he’s done off the field than by what he’s done on.

There’s no way he’s anything more than a utility player..where he was ultimately drafted doesn’t change that.

The Rays, by and large, have done a pretty good job with the draft in general and their first pick overall, but they really screwed themselves good in 2008.

by mlbprospectpulse on May 3, 2025 12:01 AM EDT reply actions  

DAMN I WISH THE RAYS HAD PICKED ALVAREZ.

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by SandalsNoPants on May 3, 2025 8:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

I notice you didn't say you wished they had picked Posey.

Meanwhile, Alvarez is still in the majors and produced in the minors at a level that Beckham never did.

by Looney4baseball on May 3, 2025 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Alvarez's OPS is .861 this season.

While Beckham wont see the field for 2 months.

by Looney4baseball on May 3, 2025 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

lol

SSS. It’s all tied into his 6 HR. His K rate is disgusting, and he doesn’t walk. By the end of Beckham’s suspension, I wouldn’t be shocked if Alvarez was either back in the minors or his OPS was below .700.

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by SandalsNoPants on May 3, 2025 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

and how is Tim Beckham doing again?

likely sparking another one up.

by Looney4baseball on May 3, 2025 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Is the question "How" or "What?"

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by calc on Apr 21, 2025 8:06 PM CDT reply actions

by SandalsNoPants on May 3, 2025 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

regardless of the question,

the answer is worse than Pedro Alvarez.

by Looney4baseball on May 3, 2025 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

There are levels of bad, but at some point, bad is plain bad.

Alvarez is bad.

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by calc on Apr 21, 2025 8:06 PM CDT reply actions

by SandalsNoPants on May 3, 2025 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yet as bad as it is, it's still better than Beckham.

SO maybe he should be the point where bad is plain bad.

by Looney4baseball on May 3, 2025 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

People are going to look silly on all the Alvarez hate

The guy is hitting bombs this year and has really heated up since a slow start. I wouldn’t be shocked to see him knock 30 out of the park with a .250 average.

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by King Billy Royal on May 3, 2025 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't be surprised to see him hit 30 with a sub.200 average.

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by SandalsNoPants on May 3, 2025 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hit number 7 today

Hitting .256 as well.

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by King Billy Royal on May 3, 2025 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Time will tell.

I don’t see how he will be much of anything resembling successful with that K rate, though. Hopefully he will improve.

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by calc on Apr 21, 2025 8:06 PM CDT reply actions

by SandalsNoPants on May 3, 2025 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nah, Posey would've been awesome.

But these other guys are chumps.

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by SandalsNoPants on May 3, 2025 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not a fan personally, but that draft was so thin, especially up the middle...

..if that’s what the Rays felt they needed there really weren’t many choices.

I remember at the time a friend who worked for the Rays texted me after the pick and it said something like “we picked the wrong Beckham”, meaning some would rather have had Gordon.

by mlbprospectpulse on May 3, 2025 8:02 AM EDT reply actions  

DAMN I WISH THE RAYS HAD PICKED GORDON BECKHAM.

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by calc on Apr 21, 2025 8:06 PM CDT reply actions

by SandalsNoPants on May 3, 2025 8:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

Gordon Beckham is Tim Beckham.

Except Gordon actually hit in the minors. At age 22, the same age as Tim, Gordon hit .299/.366/.497 in AA and then crushed AAA in a small sampe size on this way to the majors at 22 and wasn’t suspended for drug use. Gordon also had a .322/.375/.519 overall line in the minors, something Tim’s .263/.330/.379 isn’t remotely close to. I’d rather have the guy that actually hit in the minors and not hitting in the majors than the one that hasn’t hit in the minors, has 2 drug suspensions and hasn’t even seen the majors yet.

by Looney4baseball on May 3, 2025 9:42 AM EDT reply actions  

Will you give it up? He doesn't have two suspensions.

I realize you don’t like Baseball America of stuff like that, which is perfectly acceptable. You can disagree with them, and no one should call you wrong. But to act like you know what the Rays are going to do regarding Beckham’s future comes across the wrong way. You don’t like him as a prospect, which is perfectly fine. That doesn’t mean that the Rays will cut or release a player who shows promise, just because you don’t like him.

If you want to know some of the opinions of some experts on Beckham, I ran a questions series over the offseason at DRaysBay. Here is the link: http://www.draysbay.com/2012/4/5/2926892/draysbay-prospect-predictions-series-tim-beckham

A few quotes that are important…

From Jim Callis:

He looks like a .260-.270 hitter with 15 homers a year

Kevin Goldstein:

I think he’ll have a decent, but again, not great career in the end.

Frankie Piliere:

I just think the expectations need to be adjusted. I think he’ll be solid in 2012 and could be a good big leaguer. But, in my opinion, I just think you need to adjust the expectations. I don’t think he’s a star but I think he can be a decent big leaguer.

David Rawnsley:

If you can post a .730 OPS in the big leagues as a shortstop, you’re a quality player and there is no reason to believe that Beckham can’t do that. Four shortstops posted OPS’s between .727 and .743 in 2011: Derek Jeter, Jimmy Rollins, Erick Aybar and Alexei Ramirez. That’s good company to keep.

and
The bottom line is this. Beckham hasn’t been the first pick in the draft since 2008. Yes, it would be nice if he suddenly morphed into Buster Posey. But that’s not happening. If he had been the 24th pick in the first round in 2008, the Rays and their fans would be patting themselves on the back for having a 22 year old athletic shortstop with some offensive potential knocking on the big league door. There’s plenty of value in that.

John Sickels:

He looks like a utility player with some pop to me, but he is still young enough to grow beyond that and prove me wrong.

by mr. maniac on May 3, 2025 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I had a long response typed out but it got deleted when I hit post and I'm not retyping it.

The bottom line are that all the comments are vague and non specific as to what he could become because they dont know and there is a wide range of possible outcomes. He could post a .730 OPS but he has been under that in the minors more often than not so what makes that guy think he can do it in the majors? Callis got specific, but again, Beckham hasn’t done what Callis said he is capabable of in the minor leagues. He could also hit .300 with 30 home runs a year or .215 with 5 home runs a year.

I never once said I know what the Rays would do with Beckham, I don’t know where you got that from. I have no clue what they will do. I’m not trying to pass off my opinion as fact.

As far as the 2 suspensions, it was my bad. It should have been 2 failed drug tests, 1 suspension. Makes it so much better, doesn’t it?

by Looney4baseball on May 3, 2025 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, that is better.

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by SandalsNoPants on May 3, 2025 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

good job adding to the conversation.

See, I use sarcasm as well.

by Looney4baseball on May 3, 2025 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why are you being aggressive?

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by calc on Apr 21, 2025 8:06 PM CDT reply actions

by SandalsNoPants on May 3, 2025 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not being aggressive.

Just pointing out how much you are adding to the conversation.

by Looney4baseball on May 3, 2025 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

"he’s a bust in the wings"

Sure, it is your opinion. But to say something like that that could turn out to be so wrong is ridiculous.

by mr. maniac on May 3, 2025 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Or it could turn out to be prophetic.

Just as I’ve called Donovan Tate a bust last year and he’s proving it to be correct.

by Looney4baseball on May 3, 2025 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gordon had the benefit of starting his minor league career after college, at age 21.

Do you think his career minor league line would look the same if he started straight out of high school as an 18 yrold?

Also, again, Beckham isn’t on his second suspension.

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by SandalsNoPants on May 3, 2025 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow

This Looney4baseball guy knows EVERYTHING (or at least claims to). LOL

by psugator on May 3, 2025 12:48 PM EDT reply actions  

LOL

Damn, I can’t even respond that I beat you head to head this year…yet.

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