2011 Arizona Fall League Prospects - Surprise Saguros

by Rich Wilson on Oct 27, 2025 2:57 PM EDT

Part 2 takes us to the Surprise Saguros and players from the Braves, Marlins, Rays, Rangers, and Royals. The depth of the squad is decent in prospects but definitely a step down from the Scottsdale team.

Below are some of the more interesting prospects on the team. Comments are welcome.

Texas RHP: Neil Ramirez

Promoted from Single-A to Triple-A this year, Ramirez has started to show why he was a supplemental pick in the 2007 draft. Ramirez has put things together this year with a fastball that sits 93-94MPH, a plus curve and an above average change-up. There is definitely potential for Ramirez to make the starting rotation in 2012 or be one of the first callups.

Atlanta catcher: Christian Bethancourt

Scouts are excited about the defensive capability of Bethancourt as he threw out 47% of base runners in the Carolina league. The question has always been…will he hit enough? He has good hand-eye coordination and some raw power but is very aggressive at the plate. In 166 AB’s in the Carolina league, he walked 3 times. He’s batting .333 in 36 AB’s but does have a walk in the AFL.

Tampa SS: Tim Beckham

Tim Beckham was the #1 overall pick in the 2008 amateur draft by the Tampa Rays and has not yet lived up to expectations. He started to display some power this year, hitting 12 home runs between Double-A and Triple-A where he also added 17 stolen bases. Scouts still see the tools and he is only 21 years old. He’s batting .260 with 2 home runs and 3 stolen bases in the AFL.

Texas OF: Leonys Martin

I didn’t necessarily believe the hype surrounding the signing of Martin, but clearly he has a plus hit tool with above average speed and power. In 302 at-bats in the minors, Martin had an 88% contact rate to go along with a 9% walk rate. He also managed to steal 19 bases but did get thrown out 11 times. He’s had limited at-bats so far in the AFL.

Royals OF: Wil Myers

A nasty knee infection slowed the development for Wil Myers in 2011, but the hit tool remains solid. While the move to the outfield will accelerate his path to the majors, the dream of an elite hitting prospect behind the plate is gone. In many 2011 pre-season list, Myers was a top 20 prospect but based on his 2011 season, his ranking could very well fall. However, don’t be fooled, Myers has tremendous upside and he’s playing very well so far in the AFL, batting .396 with 2 home runs in 48 at-bats.

Marlins 3B: Matt Dominguez

Dominguez possess one of the best gloves at any position in the minors but the inability to hit off-speed pitches as well as injuries continue to slow the progress of Dominguez to the big league. His start to the AFL has also been slow, batting .227 in a limited sample size of 44 at-bats with 2 home runs.

Texas 3B: Mike Olt

Mike Olt is strong and selective at the plate but needs to cut down on the strikeouts. Unfortunately, a broken collar bone in June retarded his growth, so his involvement in the AFL is important. So far in the AFL, he’s batting .291 with a league leading 6 home runs.

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Neil Walker?

you mean Neil Ramirez?

by smk1363 on Oct 27, 2025 3:40 PM EDT reply actions

Beckham is a SS not OF as well

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by Imperialism32 on Oct 27, 2025 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions

Ramirez and Beckham

Yes…clearly need to hire an editor. Any takers?

by Rich Wilson on Oct 27, 2025 4:24 PM EDT reply actions

You said you're "hiring"

What’s the salary?

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by 306008 on Oct 28, 2025 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions

beckham

What’s your source on Beckham, and what exactly are they saying? I haven’t seen much of anything that is very enthusiastic about his tools.

I’m intrigued by Martin. Good pure hitter, but a lot of free swinger in him that doesn’t get completely conveyed by the numbers. I’m very curious to see just how good he ends up being, and how much he’ll improve with more experience.

by mrkupe on Oct 27, 2025 6:03 PM EDT reply actions

Beckham

There’s a ton of stories out there on Beckham, particularly around the Futures Game in July. The scouts that I’ve talked to don’t see him as a star but believe he could be an everyday regular. It’s not a uniform belief. The athleticism is still there and I’ll be able to see it for myself next week when I’m in Arizona.

Martin…I’m with you…curious. I’ve not seen him play in person but the original scouting reports didn’t match the reports or results in Double-A. The Triple-A results more match the original scouting reports. The stolen base success percentage is concerning.

by Rich Wilson on Oct 27, 2025 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions

I've only seen Martin a little bit in person

Athletic ability is very evident, but he took some shockingly bad swings for a player who strikes out as infrequently as he did this year. Then again, he’s obviously had a lot of adjustments to make very quickly.

I’m just not sure on Beckham right now. Optimist POV says he’s just young and needs a bit of time to develop consistency, but I’m not quite convinced it’ll all come together.

by mrkupe on Oct 27, 2025 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions

Beckham/Martin

I’ve watched Surprise play three times now and can give an opinion on both players:

Beckham’s defense is better than what I expected and have heard. He looks very polished there, has soft hands, and more than enough arm. He has a thick build and could lose mobility down the line, but as of now I don’t see why he can’t be a major league SS. He hasn’t done much for me offfensively but in BP he has good pop and a strong build. A 250/320/410 with 15 homers is a very realistic outcome, which in today’s offensive climate, isn’t bad for a SS.

In Martin, I haven’t been impressed. Granted its a very small sample size, but he hasn’t shown me any discipline (no walks in the 3 games I’ve watched and has swung at everything) and the defense looks a lot worse than what I have expected. Everything I’ve read prior to watching Martin said he was a potential GG cf’er with a plus arm. Haven’t seen it at all. He needs to clean up his routes and jumps and the arm looks average. He could just be loafing out there, I don’t know, but the comp I’d put on him right now from what I’ve seen is Endy Chavez (that being a guy that will hit for decent average, has very good speed, but defense isn’t great and lacks discipline to be a legit leadoff batter).

Again, small sample size I know, but these are just my thoughts

by ScottAZ on Oct 27, 2025 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions

Good reports Scott

A couple things though . . . everything I have ever seen from Endy Chavez, as well as the fact that he is still a big league backup, has shown him to be a good defender I thought.

Also the reports I have always read on Martin, as well as what I have seen, have always made me think of Martin as a more discipled and less mistake prone version of Julio Borbon. It is certainly interesting to hear about Martin’s defense not looking so good. That and his ability to get on base are most of what he has to hang his hat on as a potential big leaguer.

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by casejud on Oct 28, 2025 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions

Yeah, Endy Chavez is great defensively.

I’ve never seen an outfield better than the Chavez/Gutierrez/Ichiro unit the Mariners sent out in the beginning of 2009.

by PissedMick on Oct 28, 2025 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions

Myers

2-5 with a HR tonight, leading the league in OPS.

Looks like all is right in his world again.

Eagerly waiting to hear the Cox to Wong to Pujols double play call.

by siddfynch on Oct 27, 2025 11:19 PM EDT reply actions

no kidding

wow, he’s crushing the ball down there.

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by doublestix on Oct 27, 2025 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions

Yes

This is the Myers we saw all of last year. People were questioning whether the injuries were the reason why he struggled this year, and I think we have the answer.

by guru4u on Oct 28, 2025 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions

Yeah, the numbers look great, but keep in mind this is the AFL.

It’s a ridiculous offensive environment. AFL games are great opportunities for scouting, but the results are pretty close to worthless, evaluation-wise.

by PissedMick on Oct 28, 2025 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions

Yes, but

Thats why i didnt cite any absolute numerical results, only the relative performance . Whether his OPS is 1.200 or .600, i think it’s meaningful it’s tops in a league with many fine hitters.

Eagerly waiting to hear the Cox to Wong to Pujols double play call.

by siddfynch on Oct 29, 2025 2:41 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions