Milb for April 30, 2012: A little Monday baseball
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I am sorry for my part in yesterday's little wildfire. To me we are here, some of us, to passionately argue about prospects but, I do get carried away som times and get a little self-righteous. My bad, I appologize. Anywho, I'll try play nice and, lets not clutter up these threads with too much discussion of prospects ok? Today's starters are short on quantity but, any day with the electric, young arms of Dylan Bundy, Julio Teheran, Shelby Miller, Trevor May and, Gerritt Cole taking the hill, is a good one. Enjoy!
AAA Ball- Julio Teheran, Shelby Miller
AA Ball - Trevor May vs Deck McGuire
A+ - Gerritt Cole vs Chad James, Carlos Martinez, Brody Colvin
A Ball - Dylan Bundy, Henry Owens has very intertesting stats (discuss?), Cody Hebner
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Oscar T baby!
Oh and, by the way, did you know that Oscar Taveras of the Springfield Cardinals is on pace for these numbers if he stays in the Texas League all season?
AVG G AB H 2B 3B HR RBI R SB CS BB SO OBP SLG TB
.330 134 554 183 49 12 36 122 55 6 0 18 79 .358 .659 365
This is how this works okay? When YOU make the daily thread you can post what YOU want okay? By the way, that 365 in the Total Base column hasn’t been done since well, nobody, at least since 1984, when I got tired of looking.. What a statistically unique season eh? Is it okay to say that? This doesn’t imply whether it is good or bad, just saying it is unique.
Disclaimer The posting of these numbers are not intended, in any way, to induce any discussion of the meaning of these numbers or, how they relate to the ranking, categorization or, future performance of the prospect they pertain to. PLEASE do not discuss them in that context, so as not to upset others! (Not that you can control yourself :)
I will not participate in any discussion of this, if it happens but, I sure will enjoy watching the hand wringing! Yes, I am posting this because some of your anger does amuse me, I must say. It’s just the internet guys.
"Does it make your life easier to just throw a quick, racist term at somebody? A man who has seen the things I’ve seen… experienced the loss and pain that I’ve experienced… I transcend race, hombre." - Kenny Powers
by casejud on Apr 30, 2025 12:11 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
if he stays in hi-A all season
Billy Hamilton will go 398/481/591 with 181 SBs.
if he stays in AAA all season, Anthony Rizzo will go 378/427/671 with 44 HRs.
Therefore, I hypothesize that Taveras, Hamilton, and Rizzo all have 80s for their “on-pace-for-these-numbers” tool.
by PrincetonCubs on Apr 30, 2025 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't know about you
. . but I think mit is pretty darned cool that Hamilton is on pace for 191 steals, whether it is realistic or not . . . it’s amazing
"Does it make your life easier to just throw a quick, racist term at somebody? A man who has seen the things I’ve seen… experienced the loss and pain that I’ve experienced… I transcend race, hombre." - Kenny Powers
by casejud on Apr 30, 2025 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions
It's stupid how fast he is...
he’s on pace to steal 30 bases the first month of the season - it’s not even a full month!
by bdlugz on Apr 30, 2025 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes
He would actually have to tail off his pace considerably to “only” swipe 100 bags! I gotta get down there and, watch him play this year.
"Does it make your life easier to just throw a quick, racist term at somebody? A man who has seen the things I’ve seen… experienced the loss and pain that I’ve experienced… I transcend race, hombre." - Kenny Powers
by casejud on Apr 30, 2025 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions
double
i went to who Springfield was playing today and, they are already playing. Oscar do8ubled and, scored in ]his first time up in the first inning.
"Does it make your life easier to just throw a quick, racist term at somebody? A man who has seen the things I’ve seen… experienced the loss and pain that I’ve experienced… I transcend race, hombre." - Kenny Powers
by casejud on Apr 30, 2025 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
grounded out
. . to second, to lead-off the fourth. Hitting .333 now.
"Does it make your life easier to just throw a quick, racist term at somebody? A man who has seen the things I’ve seen… experienced the loss and pain that I’ve experienced… I transcend race, hombre." - Kenny Powers
by casejud on Apr 30, 2025 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions
walked in the 5th!
. . though it was intentional, i say that counts.
"Does it make your life easier to just throw a quick, racist term at somebody? A man who has seen the things I’ve seen… experienced the loss and pain that I’ve experienced… I transcend race, hombre." - Kenny Powers
by casejud on Apr 30, 2025 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Oscar
. . lines a single up the middle for a 2-0 lead in seventh
2-3, doubled, walked, scored one and, knocked in one . Hitting .340
"Does it make your life easier to just throw a quick, racist term at somebody? A man who has seen the things I’ve seen… experienced the loss and pain that I’ve experienced… I transcend race, hombre." - Kenny Powers
by casejud on Apr 30, 2025 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
yesterday had an intentional and the other was a 3-0 walk that OT almost turned into an out
by pedrophile on Apr 30, 2025 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions
So in reality we have 2 unintentional walks on the season?
by nixa37 on Apr 30, 2025 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Forgot
Good to know. I wish stats like this were on players MiLB.com player pages.
by nixa37 on Apr 30, 2025 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't know
..guys. It looks like he walked on four pitches in the first inning, with nobody on … then walked to load the bases with runners on 1st and 2nd, in the third. Neither was listed as an IBB. When does it become trolling to nit-pick him when he does EXACTLY what you wanted him to do?
"Does it make your life easier to just throw a quick, racist term at somebody? A man who has seen the things I’ve seen… experienced the loss and pain that I’ve experienced… I transcend race, hombre." - Kenny Powers
by casejud on Apr 30, 2025 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Come on case
If it’s a 4 pitch walk and it’s OT I think we can safely assume it was intentional. As you state the other walk wasn’t intentional, today’s was.
by pedrophile on Apr 30, 2025 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions
The first walk was with a man on first
. . . the second was with a man on first and second. You come on! :)
"Does it make your life easier to just throw a quick, racist term at somebody? A man who has seen the things I’ve seen… experienced the loss and pain that I’ve experienced… I transcend race, hombre." - Kenny Powers
by casejud on Apr 30, 2025 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Wtf?
I agreed with you on the walk where two were on. You can check game day or check with people at the stadium. Quit it please.
by pedrophile on Apr 30, 2025 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions
So, Pedro
Intelligent person that you are . . . you really think that Oscar Taveras was intentionally walked with two outs and, nobody on, in the first inning of Subndays game. That is what you are saying?
The walk in the third was witha runner on first and, one out. That also isn’t an intentional walk situationh
"Does it make your life easier to just throw a quick, racist term at somebody? A man who has seen the things I’ve seen… experienced the loss and pain that I’ve experienced… I transcend race, hombre." - Kenny Powers
by casejud on Apr 30, 2025 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions
To Settle this...
HE WAS NOT INTENTIONALLY WALKED SUNDAY.
Pitch 1: FB outside 6 inches.
Pitch 2: Curveball away.
Pitch 3 FB way high.
Pitch 4: FB high and away.
The SP was clearly avoiding him but it was far from an intentional walk. Laying off the curve was impressive but I thought the final pitch was the only one borderline.
Third Inning:
Pitch1: CB high and away
Pitch2: FB in the dirt.
Pitch3: FB 6+ inches away
Pitch 4: FB a foot high, OT swings
Pitch 5: CH down the middle.
Pitch 6: FB in the dirt and inside.
Not an impressive AB, but he also didn’t get himself out which is what I want to see (don’t care about the walks).
My write up of the him and Myers.
http://bullpenbanter.com/rtmenu/760-milbtv-scouting-oscar-taveras-a-wil-myers-
Consider that a plug. If you want to talk about him further with me, we can do it at bb :P
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by JD Sussman on Apr 30, 2025 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Third inning unintentional.
I stated the first inning he was pitched around. I also joked since it was a four pitch walk and it was OT it had to be intentional.
by pedrophile on Apr 30, 2025 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Dude, do you ever read what I write?
I agreed with you on the second at bat. Agreed. You have written three posts since my agreement about how I’m wrong.
by pedrophile on Apr 30, 2025 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I assumed pedro had checked or seen himself
It could just be MiLB.com doing the thing where all walks are 4 straight balls, all strikeouts are 3 straight strikes, and all balls in play are on the first pitch. Based on the situations you described, that does seem pretty likely.
by nixa37 on Apr 30, 2025 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Gameday, the numbers are accurate and locations as well.
He was pitched around one at bat, intentional another. A third was unintentional, they got him to ball three one of which was bounced. Then he hacked away to a full count and earned a walk.
by pedrophile on Apr 30, 2025 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Cool
Gameday isn’t always accurate with balls and strikes FWIW, though its generally pretty obvious when what I’m talking about is going on.
by nixa37 on Apr 30, 2025 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions
not sure if the league OT plays in operates the same as the Southern League
but i listen to a ton of Mobile games (through various home and away audio feeds) and Gameday has never been accurate for me, in terms of pitch location
all it does is show up the balls/strikes, and randomly places them somewhere around the batter. oftentimes i’ll hear “fastball inside” then see a little green dot pop up outside off the plate six inches.
by blue bulldog on Apr 30, 2025 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions
The stringing is not great
But more significantly, the positioning of the man isn’t very representative- the same thing kinda happens with MLB gameday, but they have a strike zone drawn in.
Really, it’s not that bad
by MjwW on Apr 30, 2025 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Isn't the problem with the handed ness of the batter?
by pedrophile on Apr 30, 2025 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Hmm
I wasn’t aware of that. Anecdotally, I’m pretty sure they do a decent job of placing pitches that are taken (though balls extremely far from the plate are placed closer than they actually are, especially inside and outside - this isn’t that big a deal).
The thing I’ve noticed is that on balls on play, and maybe also swinging strikes, the ball just gets put in a general range - that’s where some of the biggest issues are I believe. I’ve been meaning to look more into it, but I don’t have the time. There’s definitely some issues though, cause the Oswing and Zswing and OContact and Zcontact numbers that minorleague central report from scraping the Gameday data are not realistic (even at AAA levels where there is uniform Gameday)
by MjwW on Apr 30, 2025 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions
you're arguing about one singular at bat
whether or not a walk in the first inning of a baseball game was intentional or unintentional, as if Mr. Taveras’s reputation is riding entirely on this one plate appearance. enough already, please. if you want to start a daily oscar taveras fanpost, go right ahead and i’m sure you’ll get all of the discussion there that you want.
by jwa1417 on Apr 30, 2025 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions
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by PHGold09 on Apr 30, 2025 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
"When YOU make the daily thread you can post what YOU want okay?"
Oh, casejud, casejud, casejud . . .we need to have a talk. Expect an e-mail from me within a few hours. :)
by mrkupe on Apr 30, 2025 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Within reason of course
I realize I can’t post anything I want. Posting Oscar’s stats hardly crosses any line, does it? Shoot, maybe so.
"Does it make your life easier to just throw a quick, racist term at somebody? A man who has seen the things I’ve seen… experienced the loss and pain that I’ve experienced… I transcend race, hombre." - Kenny Powers
by casejud on Apr 30, 2025 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Please don't insult someone who is offering value to the site.
Long time lurker, here, but why do you guys gang up on casejud? He actually has a refreshing approach that he offers to evaluating prospects. The kid doesn’t recycle Baseball America articles, but rather offers his own opinions, and the funny thing is, his predictions seem to come true more often than the well-liked guys on here who are afraid to rock the boat.
by mitch2344 on Apr 30, 2025 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah
He offers his opinion, usually qualified with his admitted usual subjectivity. No harm, at least he backs up his thoughts. He does love OT, but he’s told you that too.
I wish everyone Adopted a Prospect and posted about them as much as Case.
by Woodland League on Apr 30, 2025 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
cool
I’m adopting Jameson Taillon.
Unrelated: I’ll start the bidding for the rights to Jameson Taillon at $10. And if McCutchenIsTheTruth or KentuckyPirate are bidding, they of course will be subject to the additional 15% “Pirates Loyalty Fee”.
by mrkupe on Apr 30, 2025 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Done
I’ll gladly pay a “buy it now” price of $11.50…beat ya to it ’Cutch. Taillon has been filthy this year. Cole had a big start today too. 6IP 1H 1BB 6K 0R.
by KentuckyPirate on Apr 30, 2025 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Wha...?
“Yes, I am posting this because some of your anger does amuse me, I must say”. I get frustrated with someone WHO ADMITS to trolling, and somehow I’m the bad guy? wow.
by ROBERTS04 on Apr 30, 2025 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions
No,
you’re just in the minority here. The fact that anyone thinks this sort of flame war/trolling crap is worthwhile indicates a much lower median age among minor league ball posters than I thought.
by charles wallace on May 1, 2025 8:43 AM EDT up reply actions
One thing is discussing prospects
and another is talking about the same guy every fucking day saying the same shit.
XandyMan Coming for you!!!!1
by DominicanDandy on Apr 30, 2025 12:36 PM EDT reply actions
Dear God
We couldn’t even make it to three comments before this started again. I swear, some people are way too irascible. You do realize that this has been done on this site with soooo many different prospects, right? Wood and Parker are two examples that come to mind immediately. Case is one of the most valuable members of the community, and he happens to like to mention a few things about a very interesting prospect.
Like I said in the last thread, you cannot say that Case talks about OT too much - and much more, relative to other members with other prospects - without taking into account that much of that discussion is responding to trolling and aggressive responses by others in the community. If you just look at the number of original comments, the number is not too far off what I have seen throughout my time here. It just so happens that Case does it while bringing a lot more information to the table. He doesn’t just say “Austin Wood is the best pitcher EVAH!!!”
Again, chill out. It’s a bloody minor league daily thread. One of the best parts of this community is the depth of knowledge brought out by the breadth of different passions from different competent minor league followers. This would be a very boring place without the Casejud’s promoting their personal favorites.
by turambar85 on Apr 30, 2025 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
"much of that discussion is responding to trolling and aggressive responses by others in the community"
Look, I like Case, but this just isn’t true. If anything, Case is the one who is trolling. He calls other people out for their rankings of Taveras, disagrees with anyone who dares to bring up any possible weaknesses in Taveras’ game, and distorts what other people say in order to try and bolster his position. Besides, I’ve been around here for a few years now, and I’ve never seem someone so focused on pointing out how they were “right” about a prospect since Daaron and Vin Mazzaro thread after every single one of his good starts.
Sometimes we just lose sight of things and push a guy too much. I know I’ve been guilty of it in the past, and I appreciate it when people pointed it out to me in a non-confrontational way. I know that’s all I’ve trying to do right now with Case. He’s welcome to post OT’s daily line and maybe add in a sentence or two if he wants. It is completely unnecessary, it detracts from potential worthwhile discussions, and it is just plain annoying when he feels the need to go on and on about him every single chance he gets.
by nixa37 on Apr 30, 2025 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions 9 recs
Well said... lately
I skim his 1st comment & then skip the rest of the banter as I don’t have the time to waste. I have more important things to do like… well pretty much anything!
by Jersey Transplant on Apr 30, 2025 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions
If you didn't think the discussion was worthwhile
. . . then why did you participate in it? I have every right to believe that his walk rate this season is as totally insignificant, as you think it is significant. It takes two to tango Buddy. I’m allowed to disagree with anybody I disagree with Man.
I agree that I that I may be taking it too far but, you show me where I distorted anybody’s position on anything.
.. and, i don’t even know what trolling is.
"Does it make your life easier to just throw a quick, racist term at somebody? A man who has seen the things I’ve seen… experienced the loss and pain that I’ve experienced… I transcend race, hombre." - Kenny Powers
by casejud on Apr 30, 2025 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Just so you're informed, this is what trolling is
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I will not participate in any discussion of this, if it happens but, I sure will enjoy watching the hand wringing! Yes, I am posting this because some of your anger does amuse me, I must say. It’s just the internet guys.
by bdlugz on Apr 30, 2025 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
When you kept talking about my walk fetish?
When you act like I don’t like Taveras at all just because I pointed out a possible red flag?
I participated in it to (1) try and get you to stop embarrassing yourself (and even if you’re right in this case, you’re still managing to embarrass yourself) and (2) try and help you understand what the other side is actually trying to say instead of the distorted perception you have of what they’re trying to say.
Case, I’m saying this to you as an “internet friend,” you are taking this too far, it is annoying a lot of people, it is detracting from any possible productive discussion, and it is making you look bad. I realize in retrospect I have done this too at times in the past. I’m trying to get you to realize that like I did.
by nixa37 on Apr 30, 2025 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Lets go over this
You complained about Taveras; lack of walks . . . I acccused you of having a walk fetish, like many people here . . . you said you didn’t and, explained . . . I appologized . . then I retracted and said you don’t have a walk fetish. I didn’t “keep on” saying it. One time does need equal keeping on. Is there any part of what I just said that is inaccurate?
As to your points 1) Not interested 2) I understand thier points, I just disgaree with all of them. Thanks though, internet friend. No offense intended. I think saying someone has a walk fetish is humorous, like saying I have an Oscar Taveras fetish maybe? :)
"Does it make your life easier to just throw a quick, racist term at somebody? A man who has seen the things I’ve seen… experienced the loss and pain that I’ve experienced… I transcend race, hombre." - Kenny Powers
by casejud on Apr 30, 2025 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I didn't complain about his lack of walks
I complained about his BB:K ratio. Do you not understand the difference between those two things? I was perfectly clear from the get go about that, yet I feel like I’ve now explained it 10 times to you. Perhaps I’m wrong about how many times you said “walk fetish,” but I’m pretty sure I had made it perfectly clear a bunch before you even started with the walk fetish thing in the first place. That’s what I’m getting at when I say you kept talking about my walk fetish.
It also doesn’t help that you immediately follow your “retraction” by saying “wake up buddy.” It shows a complete lack of respect for anyone who disagrees with anything you believe. You say you understand our points, yet I had to point out many times how my issue was never just about the lack of walks, but rather the BB:K ratio and what it implied about his plate discipline.
At this point, I’m done with this subject. Maybe if people simply stop paying attention to you, you’ll stop making an ass out of yourself. You can be a valuable contributor at times, but I’m not sure those positives outweigh negatives like these. I’m seriously to the point where I almost want Taveras to fail just so you’ll shut up and go away like Daaron did once Mazzaro was exposed. This is in spite of the fact that Taveras has never done anything negative as far as I know and the fact that it would hurt my fantasy team as I own him. You’re being that annoying.
by nixa37 on Apr 30, 2025 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I think you are overreacting
You don’t need to root for or, against Oscar. We have no effect on any of this. Anyways, he now has a k/bb rate of 3.25 to 1, which is better than Will Myers’ 3.57 to 1
I didn’t make this much of a fuss when you were yaking about Andrelton Simmons every day, did I? I just calmly admitted that I might have been wrong about him and, moved on. It isn’t about what I believe.
Myers has nearly twice as many strikouts and, Taveras isn’t striking out hardly at all so I do not see where you ae coming from at all anymore on the topic or, are you just flushed with rage on the whole thing?
"Does it make your life easier to just throw a quick, racist term at somebody? A man who has seen the things I’ve seen… experienced the loss and pain that I’ve experienced… I transcend race, hombre." - Kenny Powers
by casejud on Apr 30, 2025 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm explaining what I was saying at the time
Since you continually tried painting me as only focusing on the walks instead of his plate discipline as a whole. Yes, what he is doing now is much more encouraging. I’ve said as much quite a few times.
If you haven’t noticed, I’m pretty much saying I probably went a bit too far with Simmons in the offseason. If you haven’t noticed however, I haven’t been running around pointing it out at every single opportunity like you’re doing with Taveras. I’ll post his stats in the daily thread every now and then and maybe throw in a couple sentences about what I think of his performance. I’m not sure I’ve written as much about his performance this season as you wrote in just your first comment on this fanpost, if that helps put things into perspective for you. There is a line and I think you are crossing it. That’s all I’m saying.
by nixa37 on Apr 30, 2025 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions
oh snap
nixa and case in a deathmatch. sweet.
by JoelGuzman'sScout on May 1, 2025 1:01 AM EDT up reply actions
You have to be joking
Did you read the first post? Obvious troll is obvious.
by dnc on Apr 30, 2025 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Forget trolling, past examples of similar behavior by others,
what everyone’s “rights” are as a free person in the USA. Just respect the forum. Rule of thumb: if more than one or two people ask you to stop, then you need to stop.
by charles wallace on Apr 30, 2025 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Have you read his posts over the years?
What kind of troll backs up his assertions with numbers and scouting? What kind of troll is intelligent and teaches people things about baseball?
by mitch2344 on Apr 30, 2025 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Hey CASE
Why are you signing up with an alias?
Funny how mitch shows up during all of this and gives you the support you so crave.
Sigh…
by tuna411 on Apr 30, 2025 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Compare the writing style.
This isn’t Case.
by mitch2344 on Apr 30, 2025 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions
it's not case, and multiple accounts aren't allowed here and haven't been allowed in years
Please don’t make these kinds of accusations.
by mrkupe on Apr 30, 2025 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions
mmhmm
As a reminder to all, though, multiple account use is a zero tolerance violation. You get banned and nobody thinks twice about it. :)
by mrkupe on Apr 30, 2025 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Interesting, you have issues with it in the past or is that an SB Nation thing?
by bdlugz on Apr 30, 2025 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions
past issues
The infamous “Sock Puppet Wars” of years ago (no, this really happened).
Fortunately the administrative system is much more robust now.
by mrkupe on Apr 30, 2025 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Sock Puppet Wars?
please tell
go long with extenze...i do
by angelsownredsux on Apr 30, 2025 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions
you really don't want to know
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by JD Sussman on Apr 30, 2025 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions
you only make me more curious
go long with extenze...i do
by angelsownredsux on Apr 30, 2025 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions
saying "you don't wanna know"
just makes me wanna know even more!
Snoochies
by guessatomo on Apr 30, 2025 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions
The infamous Joba the Great
He was entertaining and annoying simultaneously.
by John Black on Apr 30, 2025 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions
How do we know you didn't create mrkupe as an alias four years ago just in case this ever happened?!?
You’re clearly very smart….
by bdlugz on Apr 30, 2025 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions
lol
I’ve been on here since Rickie Weeks was in his first full minor league season!
by mrkupe on Apr 30, 2025 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh, good point, 2008 is when it switched over...
7 years then… talk about a long con.
by bdlugz on Apr 30, 2025 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Gosh, you're so naive, Steve.
They’re clearly the same person. Not having the same IP isn’t dispositive.
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by JD Sussman on Apr 30, 2025 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow...
Why are all of your posts negative? Again, I have been lurking here for a while, and all you pretty much do is insult others. Is your self-esteem that low that you have to go on to an anonymous internet forum to attack strangers.
Did your parents not love you enough?
by mitch2344 on Apr 30, 2025 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Me thinks your sarcasm meter broke at some point tonight.
And your foot-in-mouth meter should read through the roof!
by bdlugz on Apr 30, 2025 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions
My point still remains.
Go through his posts. He spends his time on the internet insulting others all day. Really sad way to live life. He probably doesn’t have any friends in, ya know, real life.
by mitch2344 on Apr 30, 2025 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions
This is way off base
In general, him (and the rest of the BB guys) make a lot of substantive contributions
by MjwW on Apr 30, 2025 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions
My bad
I didn’t realize the extent to which it was disingenuous until the following
by MjwW on Apr 30, 2025 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions
No worries
Hopefully he decides to either start making a more productive contribution or gets bored and leaves when people don’t respond to this type of stuff.
by nixa37 on Apr 30, 2025 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions
The other guys are disrespectful but he's by far the most.
They think they rule the roost here. They’re also the ones who ranked Jose Altuve #79 on their midseason top 100 last year. You can look it up.
Their explanation was that he was too short. Really panned out well!
My pet gerbil could do a better evaluation on a prospect than those guys.
by mitch2344 on Apr 30, 2025 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions
so being disrespectful back is your response?
After you call them disrespectful…thats hypocritical. As far as Altuve being ranked 79 in their midseason top 100, that’s pretty generous considering he came from pretty much nowhere in prospect status in 2010. Maybe they can get your pet gerbil a gig.
by Looney4baseball on Apr 30, 2025 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't see anything wrong
with Altuve at #79. People are drooling over him right now because he’s off to a hot start but people should probably take notice of his .417 BAbip before deciding he’s a star.
by KentuckyPirate on May 1, 2025 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Well...
That would be a bigger problem is his BA weren’t close to that already :)
If you’re hitting .360, what do you expect your BABIP to be?
by turambar85 on May 1, 2025 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions
The point is a .417 BABIP is unsustainable
People still hit .360 without putting up insane BABIPs like that. They either hit a lot of HR (Bonds hit .370 with a .330 BABIP) or they almost never strike out (Gwynn hit .358 with a .357 BABIP because he only struck out 3.6% of the time). Once Altuve regresses to a more realistic BABIP, his numbers won’t be nearly as ridiculous (though they will still be quite good).
by nixa37 on May 1, 2025 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
This was the point
even if Altuve was sporting a very nice .325 BAbip with the same power and walk numbers, his new triple slash would be .291/.340/.477 which, while very good, is a substantial step down from his current line.
by KentuckyPirate on May 1, 2025 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree
his numbers will come down. But, as food for thought, did anyone expect him to even hit .291/.340/.477?? It’s crazy the amount of good contact that guy makes. If he’s for real, Houston has a pretty good 2B for the near term.
by Woodland League on May 1, 2025 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd agree with that
My only point was that it’s not really fair to act like having Altuve ranked as the #79 prospect in baseball is some kind of cardinal sin.
by KentuckyPirate on May 1, 2025 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe, maybe not
but even if you do think he deserved a top-50 ranking, there’s a big difference in saying that “he probably should have been top 50” but was only ranked 79 (gasp!) and saying:
They’re also the ones who ranked Jose Altuve #79 on their midseason top 100 last year. You can look it up. Their explanation was that he was too short. Really panned out well! My pet gerbil could do a better evaluation on a prospect than those guys.
by KentuckyPirate on May 1, 2025 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Huge difference
And the probably is with the benefit of hindsight. Short players get underrated a little. They also get a shorter leash.
by pedrophile on May 1, 2025 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions
huge difference
thirty spots is a lot of EV lost, even in the mid-range of a Top 100 prospect evaluation
the point is he should have been top-50 and probably top 25. very high floor. almost guaranteed to generate value in the majors.
still think ppl here don’t appreciate ARL’s enough
by blue bulldog on May 1, 2025 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree about ARL
But I do think B-Banter deserves credit for even having Altuve in their mid-season top 100 last year. I mean, considering the “industry consensus” before the year started.
In a bad (or very bad) Astro system, Altuve was rated 13th by John S., 11th by Goldstein (just 2 stars outta 5), and outside BA’s top 10. (I wouldn’t be shocked if he was outside BA’s top 20…but I don’t know one way or the other.
So Altuve was generally considered, what, somewhere in the 400-600 range among prospects, pre-2011? I don’t know where other rankers placed the little guy mid-season, but Banter may have been the most prescient of all forecasters.
by Mekonsrock on May 1, 2025 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions
hm
well, BA pretty much only cares about tools, so it’s not surprising Altuve was not in their midseason Top 50
Goldstein had him #42 at midseason
Klaw had him at exactly #50 midseason
John doesn’t do a midseason top 50 (and heck, didn’t even start doing a Top 100 until this year) but here’s his piece on Altuve…which sounds like a Top 50 guy to me at least
https://www.minorleagueball.com/2011/7/21/2285733/prospect-of-the-day-jose-altuve-2b-houston-astros
also John’s midseason review: Jose Altuve, 2B, Grade C: He has some adjustments to make, but I’m no longer concerned about the height issue and expect him to have a fine career.
honestly, not a huge fan of B-Banter. i don’t think they are right enough or better enough than the off-the-counter prospect evaluation “kits” i can normally get to warrant the additional time spent.
additionally, i don’t really want to get worked up about one ranking, but there is sufficient evidence i think, that Banter was one of the least prescient of all “forecasters” (if you choose to hold them up to the standard of the other guys)
by blue bulldog on May 1, 2025 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions
There might be a substantial difference
but I really strongly disagree that you can look at any prospect and say that it is beyond dispute that he belongs at #79 as opposed to #43 (for example). It is simply just too subjective.
By my count on milb.com, there are 224 minor league teams. If you assume 25 players per team, you get 5,600 minor league players. If you are the 43rd best player, you are better than 99.23% of all minor league players. If you are the 79th best player, you are better than 98.59% of all minor league players.
Is it really your contention that you have such a sharp eye for baseball talent that nobody could possibly disagree with your evaluation of the relative talent levels of players fitting those two hypothetical descriptions?
If two people could theoretically disagree on the prospect rankings, then I stand by my original point that trying to act like somebody has an indefensible point of view for ranking a guy like Altuve #79 (which again is a really REALLY good ranking) is absurd.
by KentuckyPirate on May 1, 2025 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions
there will always be times that
the #79 prospect is better than the #43 prospect, no matter how you structure your ranking
to me, Altuve at #79 is an absurdly low ranking. because you are projecting a very low EV for him when that shouldn’t be the case.
nobody should ever be able to have the claim to being able to discern the relative talent levels of any two individual players. consistently anytime. that doesn’t make certain rankings bad though. your ranking is bad if you consistently overvalue certain prospects and consistently undervalue certain prospects.
by blue bulldog on May 1, 2025 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I guess
we’re just going to have to agree to disagree on this one. While I think that you could make a case for Altuve as a top-50 prospect, I hardly think this is definitive.
At the midway point of 2011 (when the ranking was made), Altuve was a 5’7" 21-year old 2B repeating High A. He had a crazy triple slash but he also had an unsustainable .438 BAbip. This doesn’t mean that he should not have been considered a top-100 prospect (which he was) only that, like many prospects, he had some warts.
It’s also entirely possible that this one particular evaluator might value ceiling whereas you seem to bump him up based on his apparently high floor (" very high floor. almost guaranteed to generate value in the majors"). Even if one strategy seems to work more often (which it might) I don’t think you can completely dismiss the other approach which also has merit.
For those reasons, I think that it was unreasonable to attack somebody’s entire point of view based on one rating that was (at the very least) within a plausible range. I’m not saying that’s what you were doing, but that was what happened in the original comment I responded to above.
by KentuckyPirate on May 1, 2025 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions
"did anyone expect"
I wasn’t sure if the gap power would be there this soon, but I had no problem with him as a true.290 hitter with gap power and modest walk rates long run.
I’m not sure if it was him, the team, something else, but he seemed to be trying for a perfectly level swing, when Cal Lg footage I saw had him with a fairly pronounced upper cut. Seems like he’s reverted to that swing this year. So, short answer, I don’t have a big problem with that triple slash as a projection, mostly because the OBP element seems about right.
by charles wallace on May 1, 2025 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow
You are obviously a second account.
"BA doesn't stand for Batting Average. It’s Brandon Allen, as in the percentage of a hitter’s worth compared to Brandon Allen. Ted Williams, at his best, was only 4/10th of the hitter Brandon Allen is today." - YonYonson
by hero66 on Apr 30, 2025 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions
definitive troll
go long with extenze...i do
by angelsownredsux on Apr 30, 2025 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm a troll because Bullpen Banter doesn't know how to evaluate prospects?
strong logic
by mitch2344 on May 1, 2025 1:30 AM EDT up reply actions
what's your gerbil's name?
Is it Troll? I bet it’s Troll.
by PrincetonCubs on Apr 30, 2025 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Please
There is never a good time for this. However, this is brutal timing. Someone in John’s family had a heart attack and this is what he will return to? “c’mon man!”….
by ROBERTS04 on May 1, 2025 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions
right
because calling out the trolls is a bad thing?
by PrincetonCubs on May 1, 2025 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions
I think disregarding an elite talent as a prospect...
…because he’s short would qualify as trolling.
Not me calling him out.
u mad?
by mitch2344 on May 1, 2025 1:31 AM EDT up reply actions
BTW, that was a great joke!
You’re liek tho hysterical, awmahgaw!
Saying my gerbil’s name is Troll! So clever!
by mitch2344 on May 1, 2025 1:34 AM EDT up reply actions
If only
there were a way to hide every post above this line…
by charles wallace on May 1, 2025 8:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Why can't you just ignore it like I do?
by guru4u on May 1, 2025 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Pat Corbin
Making his major league debut today. 3 grounders, 1 flyball and an HBP in the first inning. Got a big DP to get out of the first unscathed.
Think he’s got a good chance to be a solid #3/#4 SP for quite awhile with good groundball tendencies. Might be better served in the pen because of his stature but the D-Backs seem to think highly of him.
by WrenFGun on Apr 30, 2025 1:02 PM EDT reply actions
He did ok.
5.2 IP, 8 H, 3 ER, 3 K, 3 BB
The Marlins hit him, but he stayed out of too much trouble by inducing grounders. A fairly auspicious debut for a guy coming up from AA… I like his profile. I see a #3 starter upside.
by kyuss94 on Apr 30, 2025 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions
some minor location problems
especially early led to more walks than i expected, but i think most of that was first day jitters
both slider and changeup are capable of generating swings and misses, though he needs to get more consistent with them. slider already looks pretty good though, and he seems comfortable throwing a lot of them. could actually afford to throw the changeup more than he did probably, unless he’s still not entirely comfortable with it. just checked pitch f/x and he had even more success with it than i had originally thought.
got tired at the end, and velo was at around 88-89 mph in the 6th inning
i think he can be a #3 starter, if the command sharpens just a tad more
by blue bulldog on Apr 30, 2025 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Probably nerves
I listened to the broadcast and the announcers were saying he left some pitches up. Getting groundballs will be the key to his success. He did get some Ks with his slider though I don’t know if the struggling Marlins offense was a good test. His next start if they keep him will be against the Mets
I don’t know it he will be a #3 or whatever number, but on the D-backs he doesn’t have to be. As long as he can give them some innings, he’ll be ok.
by bbtng on May 1, 2025 12:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Gerardo Concepcion pummeled
0.2 IP, 5 H, 7 ER, 1 BB, 0 K, 1 HR, Balk
by polyrhythm07 on Apr 30, 2025 1:07 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I think he may have hit a batter as well
Ugly, ugly start to his professional career.
by RynoRooter on Apr 30, 2025 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions
He had to have hit a batter...
Unless he’s the worst pitcher ever, allowing 7 ERs on 6 baserunners.
by bdlugz on Apr 30, 2025 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Hopefully Evan Gattis will be making his AA debut tonight
It will be interesting to see what he can do now that he’s playing against guys a little closer to him age wise.
by nixa37 on Apr 30, 2025 1:16 PM EDT reply actions
Well
If Gattis wanted to face guys closer to his own age he would need to be promoted to AARP
by ADLC on Apr 30, 2025 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions
i felt kinda dirty
When I hit the Rec button.
" you wanna get nuts, let’s get NUTS"
-G Costanza
by St.Steve on Apr 30, 2025 1:17 PM EDT reply actions
I really think he'll hit better than given credit for.
"When you find your way. Then you see it disappear."
by padmadfan on May 1, 2025 3:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Lakeland/Daytona already over
Szczur: 2-5, 3b, SB. He’s hitting 333/435/538 w/ 9 SBs over the last 10 games.
N Castellanos: 2-5, now up to .398 on the year.
by PrincetonCubs on Apr 30, 2025 2:10 PM EDT reply actions
Other Cubs
well, really just wanted to note that Willengton Cruz has done quite well since shifting to a pen/piggyback role. SSS, of course, but makes me wonder if he’s simply better off utilizing his plus breaking ball out of the pen.
by toonsterwu on Apr 30, 2025 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions
a report on another site
seems to suggest that Cruz wasn’t all that impressive and a bit lucky.
by toonsterwu on Apr 30, 2025 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Domonic Brown
Is there any hope left for him becoming a star or even a good regular? He’s off to a very disappointing start at AAA and the Phillies seem to have no intention of ever bringing him up to be a regular.
by sethbeno on Apr 30, 2025 2:39 PM EDT reply actions
Hate to fall back on the change of scenery chestnut,
but it may be his best bet. When John Mayberry, Jr and Juan Pierre are blocking you, you’re not in good shape.
by charles wallace on Apr 30, 2025 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions
+1
"When you find your way. Then you see it disappear."
by padmadfan on May 1, 2025 3:25 AM EDT up reply actions
yes, absolutely for the second
I think his defense really kills his potential to provide star-level value, and it’s obviously hurt his chances to ever make it into that Phillies lineup. His bat is definitely still interesting.
He’s been jerked around a bit, but the reality is that he just really hasn’t improved from where he was a few years ago. His defense has always been atrocious but when he was 20-21, you could cite the athleticism and the tools and suggest he’d be at least competent with time. It’s just not happening, and if you want to get ABs at the major league level when you can’t field worth a damn, you’ve got to hit and hit often. I guess maybe it’d be different if he wasn’t in Philly, but really . . .how many dudes who can’t hit and can’t field (in a corner outfield slot, no less) get lots of time to develop at the major league level?
by mrkupe on Apr 30, 2025 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions
You do have a point
I always thought he was somewhat overrated but, in his defense, the last time he got a chance to play he got on base every third time up and hit 5 home runs. He wasn’t absolutely terrible. I do think he would have a better chcnce to take off if he was just given a few months to play, uninterrupted. I understand the Phils aren’t running a tryout camp though.
"Does it make your life easier to just throw a quick, racist term at somebody? A man who has seen the things I’ve seen… experienced the loss and pain that I’ve experienced… I transcend race, hombre." - Kenny Powers
by casejud on Apr 30, 2025 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions
right, but like I said
How many teams, even bad ones, have room in the starting lineup for a guy who can’t field and isn’t hitting? Even crappy teams are trying to get value where they can, if for no other reason than to keep fans tuned in and coming to the park. Hard to play a guy who might be a black hole for you on the basis that his scouting reports from 3 years ago sounded nice. If he’s going to figure things out, he’s probably going to have to do it in AAA . . .which is, of course, what Brown has found in Philly.
by mrkupe on Apr 30, 2025 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I see where you are coming from
You’ll notice that I get accused of not listening to what people have to say Kupe but, I say "I see’ or “you have a point” more than anybody. Anyways, i digress.
I agree that nobody should run Brown out there every day if he is stinking but, he wasn;‘t bad in 246 Ab;’s in the big leagues last season - 97 OPS+, .726 OPS
I think he could give a team approximately what Brennan Boesch has given the Tigers the past couple of years and, is capable of a oot more. I’m not exactly how certain how bad his defense is either? You seem tio think it’s pretty bad eh?
"Does it make your life easier to just throw a quick, racist term at somebody? A man who has seen the things I’ve seen… experienced the loss and pain that I’ve experienced… I transcend race, hombre." - Kenny Powers
by casejud on Apr 30, 2025 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions
but Case
that Phils lineup is in desperate need for some sort of spark and the fact that Brown’s still at AAA speaks LOUDLY of that FO’s trust in him (or lack thereof).
by JoelGuzman'sScout on May 1, 2025 1:10 AM EDT up reply actions
how many times
have you personally seen him play defense?
by richieabernathy on Apr 30, 2025 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions
personally?
I’ve never seen Brown in-person. On tape, I’ve seen him about as much as the next interested person. Although the man’s reputation does precede him . . .
by mrkupe on Apr 30, 2025 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Great point
If he was a good (or even adequate) defender he would have received an extended look by now. I still believe there is a lot of potential in his bat and he seemed to be making progress with his approach last year before he got hurt. Still, I have a tough time gauging what he will become.
by sethbeno on May 1, 2025 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions
never
underestimate Ruben Amaro’s stupidity, though.
by richieabernathy on May 1, 2025 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions
I've seen him Plenty
In person at spring training last year, in Philadelphia both regular and post season last year, in Lehigh Valley this year already plus on TV both this year, last year and a few minors games with me being in the Philadelphia region plus in Lakewood in 08 and in Reading in 2010…As has been previously mentioned his defensive improvement has stagnated to the point that the value he would provide offensively wouldn’t benefit the club who now relies on pitching and defense to win games. That being said, I was also left with the impression after watching him a ton in Philly last year (my wife and I have full season tickets) that he needs to make a major adjustment to his swing in order to avoid being a platoon player especially with men on base. Whether he’s bored in AAA ala Des Jennings earlier this year remains to be seen but he’s not really doing much to say “hey promote me” either with a .311 OBP. When the major league club (Phillies) as a whole currently see’s less pitches per AB then the other 30 teams out there going into last nights game I’m not sure what “spark” he brings to that lineup other than name value (whatever’s left of it)
by jerzbravesboy24 on May 1, 2025 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Alex Torres has been taken out of the rotation in Durham
he will work out of the bullpen, while it hurts his prospect status I think it is the best thing for him and will get him to the majors a lot sooner. If he can learn to harness his command for 1 inning he has the stuff to be a back of the bullpen type pitcher. I threw his name into the next prospect to become a closer topic in the off-season and while he may not get that this year it wouldn’t surprise me if he is pitching some important innings out of the pen for Tampa by September.
by Dbullsfan on Apr 30, 2025 3:22 PM EDT reply actions
can we just make a separate oscar taveras thread every day?
everyone that likes to intellectually masturbate to oscar taveras can discuss their fetishes there, and the rest of the community can discuss the other posts without the incessant taveras-related drama.
by TheBigOne on Apr 30, 2025 4:02 PM EDT reply actions 12 recs
Lol
You just interrupted more than a dozen posts in a row about other players to post that.
"Does it make your life easier to just throw a quick, racist term at somebody? A man who has seen the things I’ve seen… experienced the loss and pain that I’ve experienced… I transcend race, hombre." - Kenny Powers
by casejud on Apr 30, 2025 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions
"When YOU make the daily thread you can post what YOU want okay?"
by dnc on Apr 30, 2025 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
so if i make the thread
he can’t talk about oscar taveras?
by TheBigOne on Apr 30, 2025 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Only one way to find out
I wouldn’t bet the farm
by dnc on Apr 30, 2025 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I won't talk about him anymore
Everyone happy? I’ll post his results occasionally but, thats it. My deepest appologies.
"Does it make your life easier to just throw a quick, racist term at somebody? A man who has seen the things I’ve seen… experienced the loss and pain that I’ve experienced… I transcend race, hombre." - Kenny Powers
by casejud on Apr 30, 2025 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
How dare you call me Biff?
If I’m anyone from Back to the Future, it’s obviously Marty ;)
by nixa37 on Apr 30, 2025 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Case is Biff, you have to be Doc.
“If my calculations are correct, when this baby hits 88 miles per hour… you’re gonna see some serious shit.”
by pedrophile on Apr 30, 2025 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions
can i be george?
i really wanna lay biff out
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by PHGold09 on May 1, 2025 2:12 AM EDT up reply actions
damn, should've read on before i suggested this above
agree with this +10000
by jwa1417 on Apr 30, 2025 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions
You know my vote
I’ve suggested it twice in the last couple of days.
by charles wallace on May 1, 2025 8:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Delino DeShields, Jr.
The numbers don’t show it, but he’s making real strides this year. He’s hitting just .253, but he has a 16/21 BB/K ratio, and in his last 6 games he has only struck out ONCE. In addition, he is 16 for 16 on SB attempts. Sure, he’s repeating the Sally, but he still is just 19 and I think he’s starting to look like the Astros’ leadoff hitter of the future.
Today- 1 for 5, 2B, BB, 3 SB (0 K)
That has been the norm for him lately, consistently putting the ball in play but with few hits. That trend should start to move the other way soon.
by kyuss94 on Apr 30, 2025 4:27 PM EDT reply actions
16 for 16 SB
At this point in the season is VERY impressive. Certainly not as impressive as Hamilton, but Hamilton does have a bunch of CS. And even though he’s only on pace to go 108 for 108 in a full MLB length season, it is pretty interesting.
by auclairkeithbc on Apr 30, 2025 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions
today and tomorrow
two a’s prospects are the starting pitchers against the red sox, one is pitching in just his 3rd major league game, welcome to the bigs kids!
Snoochies
by guessatomo on Apr 30, 2025 4:46 PM EDT reply actions
A little bit of outside perspective on the Taveras craziness that seems to be going on in these threads
I don’t read or comment on this site daily, so I like to think I don’t have a dog in this fight (full disclosure, I’m a Cardinals fan and I’m pulling hard for OT to succeed). Casejud: It’s really annoying for most people to read the same thing over and over again and for one topic to dominate a thread, no matter what the topic is. You’re not going to convince anyone of anything that way. Everyone else: It seems like (from reading todays thread and yesterdays thread) casejud can’t even express any kind of enthusiasm for OT without people jumping down his throat about it. With the way he’s been playing the last week, he really should be mentioned in a thread like this. Casejud shouldn’t have to defend himself for pointing out that Taveras went 1-3 with a HR and 2 walks yesterday.
At any rate, something I think everyone should keep in mind is that Taveras is EXACTLY the type of player that should be expected to inspire this kind of debate. He’s the type of guy that’s going to inspire strong opinions. There are good arguments on both sides. On the one hand, he just hit .380 in a pitchers league and currently has the third highest slugging in the Texas League despite being the second youngest player. On the other hand, he doesn’t have much of a plate approach and there are legitimate questions about how his swing will do against advanced pitching, as well as the lack of any real elite secondary tools.
Pretty much every opinion I’ve seen expressed about OT on here is defensible. He could be a perrenial all star. He could be a complete bust. If people respected eachothers opinions a little more and stopped trying to convince eachother these threads would probably be a lot more pleasant.
by jibbers on Apr 30, 2025 6:35 PM EDT reply actions
+1000
I’m getting severely annoyed sifting through the daily threads reading garbage pertaining to OT its gotten so out of hand im actually posting here and like you i don’t as much.
There has been a huge pleasure in reading these daily’s in here as the knowledge base is very high and its been something to look forward to but this is all about to end unless John does something about it, or i just stop reading them… im sadly going to have to chose the latter.
by High Heater on Apr 30, 2025 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions
relax
things will be back to normal tomorrow okay? I promise
"Does it make your life easier to just throw a quick, racist term at somebody? A man who has seen the things I’ve seen… experienced the loss and pain that I’ve experienced… I transcend race, hombre." - Kenny Powers
by casejud on Apr 30, 2025 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions
relax
We’re working on it. Nobody is being told not to post about something.
by mrkupe on Apr 30, 2025 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions
"daily's in here as the knowledge base is very high"
strong irony
by mitch2344 on Apr 30, 2025 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I wholeheartedly concur
I used to come here specifically for these game day threads, but having to sift through all the garbage has sucked all of the value out of them for me. I’ll get my info elsewhere. Goodbye, Minor League Ball.
Shoulda worn my cup.
by noobontheloose on Apr 30, 2025 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions
STOP THE PRESSES
Bundy gives up his first hit as a professional. A single by Delta Cleary Jr of the Asheville Tourists, single A affiliate of the Colorado Rockies.
by jwa1417 on Apr 30, 2025 7:24 PM EDT reply actions
He's a bum
Might as well cut him now and get it over with
by nixa37 on Apr 30, 2025 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Delta Cleary Jr
A name that shall live in infamy.
by Woodland League on Apr 30, 2025 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Cleary
was actually a pretty tooled up JC prospect whose star has never risen. Third year in Asheville. Pretty funny.
by charles wallace on May 1, 2025 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Delta Cleary Jr is an alias of Oscar Taveras
go long with extenze...i do
by angelsownredsux on Apr 30, 2025 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
rec'ed
Nick Adenhart will always be my favorite baseball player
If you didn't know by now, my screen name is sarcastic
by mathisrocks5 on May 1, 2025 6:26 AM EDT up reply actions
According to my buddy who is there
Bundy hit 100mph on the stadium gun tonight.
by ADLC on Apr 30, 2025 7:33 PM EDT reply actions
Big Al
he also scored 4 touchdowns in a high school football game
by wilriv21 on Apr 30, 2025 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions
buck 'em down
Had a couple balls hit hard the first copuple frames but, back to business in the third . . .
3 1 0 0 0 3 , through three
16 1 0 0 1 24 on the season
Maybe HE will be my new obsession!
"Does it make your life easier to just throw a quick, racist term at somebody? A man who has seen the things I’ve seen… experienced the loss and pain that I’ve experienced… I transcend race, hombre." - Kenny Powers
by casejud on Apr 30, 2025 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Bundy
He didn’t have his best stuff tonight. Ump was really tight tonight. Scouts gun in front of me was consistently 5 mph less than stadium gun. 92-94, touched 95. Change up is a plus pitch but he needs to work on his breaking ball command.
by kempsc on Apr 30, 2025 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Bundy done
4IP, 1H, 0ER, 1BB, 4K
Just another day. L-I-V-I-N
by Woodland League on Apr 30, 2025 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions
A hit AND a BB?
This kid is just spiraling downward. At this rate, by mid season he’ll be lucky to be in consideration for Top 100 lists.
by MjwW on Apr 30, 2025 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions
bundy...
was demoted after the game. he will now be pitching 2 inning stints in extended spring training.
by drewlev on Apr 30, 2025 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Barnes
a poor man’s Taveras
go long with extenze...i do
by angelsownredsux on May 1, 2025 1:42 AM EDT up reply actions
so does anyone know when he lines up to pitch next?
he comes into savannah wed/thur/fri … with these tag-team rotations i am terrible at figuring this out… maybe friday? that would suck to completely miss him
by daveh33 on May 1, 2025 1:14 AM EDT up reply actions
no
saturday the earliest (if they have a game, i didn’t check)
by jwa1417 on May 1, 2025 3:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Watching the game
Command has been a little spotty at a couple points, but he’s had some absolutely breathtaking stretches, the movement on the offspeed pitches is incredible. The Jays definitely adjusted the second time through, they started hitting the slider.
Not to be outdone, Kyle Drabek has been almost matching him. His first couple innings he was getting behind and left some pitches up that got hit hard, but got it together and was really impressive. I’d argue it’s probably his best start as a pro, 5H, 2BB, 8K against a great line-up
by MjwW on Apr 30, 2025 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Drabek is working inside nicely
And pitching to a much better team
by pedrophile on Apr 30, 2025 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Done after 104 pitches
6IP, 5H, 2R/ER, 2BB, 8K. Not bad at all.
Then Evan Crawford, who has impressed me in his first couple outings, comes in to face a lefty and doesn’t have the good sharp curveball. Hangs a couple for back to back HR
by MjwW on Apr 30, 2025 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Edwin Encarnaction
4th straight game with a home run. SERIOUSLY starting the season with a bang.
came into today batting .310, 7 HR, 20 RBI, 4 SB. 16:7 SO:BB in 87 AB. striking out a little more, but really starting to mash. if he could just stay healthy
by jwa1417 on Apr 30, 2025 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Other than a few day to day injuries last year, he didn’t miss any time. The more important thing is the that Jays burn all his third base gloves, and limit him to some 1B and perhaps emergency LF
by MjwW on Apr 30, 2025 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Eh, no better options really
He hits righties okay, I don’t have a problem playing him against them. He needs to be platooned though, or at the very least dropped to 7th or so against lefties (my definite preference is to platoon)
by MjwW on Apr 30, 2025 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions
If he at least had dominant D and patience it would be ok
Like Carlos Pena
by pedrophile on Apr 30, 2025 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Pedro
Remember how promising Lind and Hill looked after those big yrs? Sigh.
by John Black on Apr 30, 2025 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions
In some ways
I think that big year for Hill was the worst thing that could have happened to him. He had a nice, line drive swing from 2005-07, in 2008 he started hitting FB then missed most of the year, came back in 2009 and the same thing, an abnormally high number went over the fence for a while. Then it stopped working in 2010-11.
by MjwW on Apr 30, 2025 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions
oh man
Watching pop out after pop out made me pull my hair out.
by John Black on Apr 30, 2025 9:33 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Not to be critical but this is 100 percent incorrect
Google Aaron Hill spray chart. Even his big year he had huge pull tendencies. It was after that year that teams adjusted.
by pedrophile on Apr 30, 2025 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Per Fangraphs
2005-07 LD%: 23.1%, 19.2%, 20.8%
2008-11(Tor only) LD%:17.3%, 19.6%, 10.6%, 18.7%
2005-07 FB%: 35.8, 34.6, 38.9
2008-11 FB%: 47.4%, 41%, 54.2%, 43.5%
by MjwW on Apr 30, 2025 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't dispute that
Many/most point out that Hill had a lot of success in 2009 and because of that he started to get pull conscious. Which is not correct.
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/you-call-that-a-spray-chart-split/
He was incredibly pull conscious in 2009. All season. The opposing pitchers just took a year to adapt.
IMO the blame lies equally with Cito and his philosophy and with Hill. Unfortunately Hill hasn’t been able to lay off the outside pitch, Bautista who has the same approach has been able to lay off these pitches.
by pedrophile on May 1, 2025 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Look at his second half last year. He loves to DH.
by pedrophile on Apr 30, 2025 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Kinda ironic
That EE was throw-in salary dump in the Rolen deal in 2008 and 3.5 years later here he is the last guy left from that trade and perhaps a piece for the future as well. Just goes to show why this stuff’s not a science, and he wasn’t even a prospect.
by MjwW on Apr 30, 2025 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions
EE wasn't a prospect?
I remember liking him quite a bit, and I was far from the only one.
by PissedMick on May 1, 2025 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions
When he was traded in 2008
He wasn’t a prospect at that point.
by MjwW on May 1, 2025 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Roenicke is currently RP’ing for the Rockies and doing pretty good.
by hrv2010 on May 1, 2025 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Fella's a horse.
200 strikeouts last year and could see an eventual uptick in velo. Great build and smooth mechanics.
by mitch2344 on Apr 30, 2025 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions
0 BB
looks like big fella is making strides with command and pitching more to contact…getting very excited about his future.
by St.Steve on May 1, 2025 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Carlos Martinez
5IP, 6H, 2ER, 2BB, 3K
2.45 ERA on the year.
by Woodland League on Apr 30, 2025 8:32 PM EDT reply actions
Gerrit Cole
So far: 6 IP, 1 H, 1 BB, 0 R, 6K
s.zielinski
by steve_z on Apr 30, 2025 8:37 PM EDT reply actions
you posted first so I will comment on yours
go long with extenze...i do
by angelsownredsux on Apr 30, 2025 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Gerrit Cole
Don’t want to jinx it in case he comes back out, but what a start for him tonight-
6 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 1 BB, 6 K, 7-2 GO-FO
The Jupiter lineup he’s facing is no joke either, with the likes of Yelich, Realmuto and Ozuna.
by kyuss94 on Apr 30, 2025 8:37 PM EDT reply actions
Good for him
He needed a start like this. Could be the beginning of a nice run.
by Woodland League on Apr 30, 2025 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Look at peripherals, not ERA or definitely not W/L's
He’s been good all year. This was even better, but he surely didn’t ‘need’ this start.
by Mr. Smizik on Apr 30, 2025 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions
As a pitcher with dominant stuff, it's nice to hear your peripherals are good...
But it’s much nicer to go out and just totally dominate with that stuff.
by bdlugz on Apr 30, 2025 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, a dominating K/BB rate is.......dominating
24 IP, 17 Hs; over 4 to 1 K/BB rate; 3 to 2 GB/A0 rate.
Only thing that looks bad is 3 HRs in 24 IP.
He’s been strong and will be in AA by June, I presume.
by Mr. Smizik on Apr 30, 2025 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I know you have some skin in the game
with Cole - if this is Bob Smizik - but his peripherals aren’t that compelling either. He’s merely doing OK for his level. He could get things going after this really nice start, but so far those doubts about his polish have been reinforced. I hope he begins to dominate like a #1 overall with the stuff that he has.
by Woodland League on May 1, 2025 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Nah, not Smizik, I cannot stand that assclown
He’s giving up ~.66 hits per IP; he’s K’ing over a batter an inning w/ comfort; he’s getting 3 ground balls for every 2 flyballs; and, he’s BB’ing less than 3 per game.
Could it be better? Sure, but it hasn’t been bad or even average, it’s been rather good. Plus, the reports on his velo, maintenance of the same throughout the game, and his off-speed stuff have all been promising. Surely, if he was at A-, he’d be dominating like Barnes. And, surely, if he was at AA, we would have a more complete picture. But, as far as his first month pitching as a professional - besides the HRs, which aren’t great - he’s been above-average and has gotten better in almost all starts.
When he is in AA in about a month (imo), we will have a better idea. But, I’m encouraged thus far.
by Mr. Smizik on May 1, 2025 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions
lol
Assclown Bob!? Everyone’s always so tough on their local guys. As such, I would gladly blumpkin Dan Saughnessey.
To speak to your point, Kentucky’s point below, his reputation has always been that his command hasn’t quite matched his raw stuff. He looks to be getting better, but the FSL is one of the best pitching environments in MiLB. For that level and hospitable surrounds, you figure he would be dominating. His Ks will always be there for a guy that flashes that stuff, but the 3 bombs in the FSL already? He just needs to pitch a bit better than that to justify the high price tag. I’m not saying he’s bad, or will be bad. Just that his perceived flaws seem to be manifesting and need to be watched.
by Woodland League on May 1, 2025 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions
FWIW
The league average last year for the FSL was 3.46, with teams giving up an avg of 10.25 HR over 210IP. 6 teams gave up less than 10 HR all of last year (avg 210IP per team). The fields are huge for the young guys playing there, so it’s a very nice place to pitch. Cole already has 3 HR over 23 IP and sports a 3.52 ERA. For the #1 overall with the raw stuff he has, league average ERA and a high HR rate + good K rate and OK BB rate = just OK in my mind.
by Woodland League on May 1, 2025 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Also
FWIW without looking at where Cole has pitched in each of his starts, Bradenton is one of the more friendly hitting parks in the FSL.
Still
11.3 K/9, 2.7 BB/9, a 4.14 K:BB ratio, a 1.043 WHIP and a .195 BAA
No way I ever complain about that, ever, but also FWIW, I personally would have drafted Bundy
by McCutchenIsTheTruth on May 1, 2025 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Also
FWIW without looking at where Cole has pitched in each of his starts, Bradenton is one of the more friendly hitting parks in the FSL.
Still
11.3 K/9, 2.7 BB/9, a 4.14 K:BB ratio, a 1.043 WHIP and a .195 BAA
No way I ever complain about that, ever, but also FWIW, I personally would have drafted Bundy
by McCutchenIsTheTruth on May 1, 2025 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I can't agree
that Cole’s peripherals have merely been “OK.” I guess they could be better (who this side of Dylan Bundy couldn’t be putting up better numbers?) but they’re still pretty damn impressive. As we sit here today, Cole has 11.3 K/9, 2.7 BB/9, a 4.14 K:BB ratio, a 1.043 WHIP and a .195 BAA. I’d take that any day of the week…
by KentuckyPirate on May 1, 2025 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Henry Owens face
4IP, 1H, 0ER, 3BB, 7K
If he had been around a bit longer, I’d say “classic Ownes line.”
But who cares? Classic Owens line right there.
by Woodland League on Apr 30, 2025 8:45 PM EDT reply actions
He usually gives up a bunch of earned runs, too, but didn't today.
Ks and BBs will always reign supreme when it comes to evaluating pitchers. Owens has really impressed me thus far. The inordinately high strikeout rate bodes well. Just needs to learn how to pound the zone.
by mitch2344 on Apr 30, 2025 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Swihart
struggling lately. 1-4. Avg down to .183.
by Woodland League on Apr 30, 2025 8:46 PM EDT reply actions
But in all seriousness, why are you guys so low on Taveras?
We’re talking about a 19 year-old kid who is destroying AA while playing CF. He does exactly what Trout does except doesn’t steal bases. Why does a guy like Trout get anointed God status as the #1 prospect in the game while Taveras gets left off of all of your top 50 lists? The argument that he doesn’t hit enough singles is absurd. Reminds me of when alskor inexplicably hated on Brett Lawrie (turned out real great!) by claiming that he hit too many triples. wtf?
by mitch2344 on Apr 30, 2025 8:46 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
I'm trying my hardest to stay out of the Taveras business
But seriously? Taveras and Trout aren’t anywhere close to comparable.
by kyuss94 on Apr 30, 2025 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Care to offer an explanation?
They are very similar outside of base running and I’d trust Trout’s glove a bit more than Taveras. The difference between the two does not warrant 50+ spots separation in the rankings.
by mitch2344 on Apr 30, 2025 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Trout has 80 speed
That may be just one tool, but it’s a massive advantage to Trout. Trout also has a swing that projects to work at the major league level. Taveras might have one as well, but it’s unique so it’s difficult to say at this point. He would be far from the first guy to be exposed by big league pitching. Trout’s on base skills are also better, and I’m not sure he doesn’t have more future power, he’s significantly thicker. Obviously Trout’s defense is elite in CF whereas OT’s projects to be a bit above average in RF. Oscar Taveras is a very, very good prospect. I’m not denying that. I consider him somewhere between 25-35 on my current rankings, I’m having trouble placing him, but he’s not in the same tier as a player like Mike Trout.
by kyuss94 on Apr 30, 2025 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Are you f'n kidding me case?
We love OT but also see there is a red flag with his plate discipline. Do you want us to lie and say he is a perfect prospect? Or would you prefer we act like god and say there is no ceiling or floor and all outcomes are predetermined?
This act of - you don’t like prospect A as blindly as I do so you are wrong wrong wrong, oh and why the hell do you hate the prospect - this nonsense has to stop.
Wayyyy too much passive aggressive nonsense here.
by pedrophile on Apr 30, 2025 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions
case =mitch?
I thought that was illegal
go long with extenze...i do
by angelsownredsux on Apr 30, 2025 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions
HEY CASE
You have obviously signed up with another user name.
This is sad…
by tuna411 on Apr 30, 2025 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Again, look at the writing style and lack of typos.
This isn’t Case. Accept it.
by mitch2344 on Apr 30, 2025 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions
100 %
I believe you are CASE.
Keep trolling your own spam…
by tuna411 on Apr 30, 2025 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Is it so hard to believe that someone would have a different opinion than the masses?
I guess it is.
by mitch2344 on Apr 30, 2025 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions
No
Its hard to believe multiple someone’s would totally ignore how every single poster stated they liked OT. It’s hard to believe multiple other posters would intentionally twist the posters statements and arguments. It’s hard to believe multiple other posters would imply that anyone that doesn’t agree 100 percent with case hates OT. Etc. etc.
by pedrophile on Apr 30, 2025 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
When have I ever said anyone here hates Taveras?
All I said was that you guys were astonishingly low on him. Maybe Case said that you guys hate Taveras but I sure never did.
by mitch2344 on Apr 30, 2025 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions
How am I low on him? I'm interested to know it.
by pedrophile on Apr 30, 2025 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions
you sound like you are low on him
most prospects in baseball have a red flag, but it feels like you go out of your way to explain why OT in particular has a red flag (whatever red flag is supposed to mean anyway)
OT is a top 25 prospect to me
when a guy is a top 25 prospect to me, that means i don’t spend time/comments arguing with ppl about their walk rates when they are two years younger than their league
doing otherwise just gives the impression that you are low on a prospect, whether you are actually low or not
by blue bulldog on Apr 30, 2025 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions
I see him as a top 25 prospect as well
Maybe I go out of my way to explain it because I’ve been told I’m wrong wrong wrong lol. OT has his questions as do most prospects. It will take a full season in AA and maybe even AAA to truly know how this affects him. Why would he change when he is crushing it? But when he is forced to change his approach at AA or AAA or MLB we shall see if the worries are justified.
For now it’s a red flag to note and move along.
by pedrophile on Apr 30, 2025 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions
only way to settle it.
Case and Mitch post at the same Time.
PM EDT
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mlb-big-league-stew/photo-logan-morrison-bryan-petersen-share-tub-drink-043548597.html
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Apr 30, 2025 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions
I was about to ask for something like this.
Well, lets see it.
by tuna411 on May 1, 2025 7:14 AM EDT up reply actions
This could be done
so easily even if they were the same person.
Just get a friend to log on to one, get on a phone, and hit post at the same time.
by McCutchenIsTheTruth on May 1, 2025 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't feed the troll
Over at the Braves SBN site they rec obvious troll posts to make them a very trollish green that makes what’s going on obvious to everyone. I recommend we do the same to our friend Mitch here.
by nixa37 on Apr 30, 2025 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Wait, because my opinions differ from you and many others here, I am somehow a troll?
Wow, you are very immature.
by mitch2344 on Apr 30, 2025 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions
No, that's not what makes you a troll
What makes you a troll is the choice to bring up OT and how everyone is so low on him immediately after the conversation about him above died down. The subject has been discussed ad nauseum over the past few days. Your post reeks of baiting people to start the exact same arguments about him all over again. You might not be purposefully trolling, but it sure comes across that way.
by nixa37 on Apr 30, 2025 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions
i agree completely
as such i rec’d
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by PHGold09 on May 1, 2025 2:17 AM EDT up reply actions
I love me some OT but
MT has always posted a BB% over 10% which doesn’t exactly make him a model citizen for the Walkian society but he’s no delinquent like OT. MT is also a lot faster also
If I was going for absurd comparison I would have went with Vlad Guerrero
go long with extenze...i do
by angelsownredsux on Apr 30, 2025 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Oscar Taveras
I like him. All you haters are wiggity wiggity wiggity whack!
by John Black on Apr 30, 2025 9:01 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Whatever Kris, make sure you don't miss the bus.
by bdlugz on Apr 30, 2025 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Oscar is the mac daddy
And daddy mac!
by John Black on Apr 30, 2025 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
But is he the miggity miggity miggity mac?
Time will tell.
by bdlugz on Apr 30, 2025 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Tascar Overas
5-5 again tonight, 5HRs. Hitting 1.000 on the year, 74-74 with 74 HRs.
He delivered the manager’s wife’s baby in section 112, row 2. They named the boy “Oscar” in honor of Tascar’s more polished cousin.
by Woodland League on Apr 30, 2025 9:08 PM EDT reply actions
Can we talk about how great WMB is?
He is gonna be such a beast in Fenway.
by John Black on Apr 30, 2025 9:27 PM EDT reply actions
Still trying to decide if this start is for real....
I was never sold on his bat, and for some reason I’m hesitant coming around on him this year. Can you talk me into his offensive potential?
by bdlugz on Apr 30, 2025 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Middlebrooks has massive starts every year
Not to say he won’t be good or he hasn’t improved but I’m more interested in how he responds once he hits an inevitable slump than the astronomical numbers he’s putting up now
Brandon Jacobs of Lowell > Brandon Jacobs of NYG
by Lesterfan on Apr 30, 2025 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Thats assuming he makes it to Fenway
I’ve heard multiple reports of him being dangled for pitching,.
by ADLC on May 1, 2025 12:58 AM EDT up reply actions
I think everyone needs to relax
There is nothing wrong with being passionate about prospects you like. This is a site for prospect discussion afterall. Any attempts to deter such discussion is very disappointing. As someone mentioned earlier, this is not the first time someone has gone above and beyond in preaching their love for a prospect. Heck, I used to do it for JD Martinez last year. I’m sure we are all guilty of this sort of behavior at one time or another. Seriously guys, let’s ease up on the cat fights, its taking away from essence of why we are here.
by John Black on Apr 30, 2025 9:39 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Voice of reason right here.
You are a kind man, Mr. Black!
by mitch2344 on Apr 30, 2025 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Bravo JB
People really need to lighten up around this joint.
Big Sexy
Follow KBR and Dewey on Twitter! @KBRandDewey
by King Billy Royal on May 1, 2025 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Tommy Joseph
3-4, 2B, 2HR nice power display tonight from the 20 yr old in AA
by wilriv21 on Apr 30, 2025 9:43 PM EDT reply actions
Alen Hanson
3-5, now hitting .410.
That isn’t an empty average, either, as he’s been an xbh king.
Solid stuff, thus far.
Polanco 2-4, I believe. Projectable, athletic, and showing good results in his first taste of full season, state-side.
by Mr. Smizik on Apr 30, 2025 9:59 PM EDT reply actions
Alen Hanson
.410/.441/.695
One thing to watch is Hanson does get plenty of hits on bunt singles. That will presumably won’t be as effective a technique as he continues to climb the ladder.
by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Apr 30, 2025 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Slugging .695 seems to suggest his Hs aren't of the cheap variety....
While I agree he won’t be able to bunt as much at higher levels, it seems he is doing plenty of other ways of hitting as well. Plus, laying down a bunt - w/ his speed - is a useful tool to have in the big leagues.
I want the K’s to come down. That is my only worry as of today, obviously besides it being a very SSS.
by Mr. Smizik on Apr 30, 2025 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Just basing
it off of watching box scores/play-by-plays
by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Apr 30, 2025 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Oscar Taveras
2-3, double, 1 BB
Someone had to post it.
by sethbeno on Apr 30, 2025 10:05 PM EDT reply actions
Taylor Guerrieri
I know TB likes to take their time, but will he be given an assignment any time soon? And did they ever figure out what caused him to transfer schools?
by Monken Drunkey on Apr 30, 2025 10:08 PM EDT reply actions
Jake Marisnick
1/5, 3, K. Got robbed of a HR when he crushed a 3-1 pitch to LF but a very strong wind knocked it down and it died on the warning track.
Also, a couple of miscues in CF. Misplayed a line single into a double, then the next batter hit another liner to him and he threw home (runner wasn’t going) rather than hitting the cutoff man so the batter advanced to second.
by MjwW on Apr 30, 2025 10:23 PM EDT reply actions
is that 3Ks?
JM can do no wrong in my eyes, so he’s still a stud regardless of your answer.
(Am I allowed to fellate a prospect other than OT on this thread?)
go long with extenze...i do
by angelsownredsux on Apr 30, 2025 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions
To the second part
Only if it’s Austin Wood, especially seeing as you’re an Angels fan
by MjwW on Apr 30, 2025 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions
no you're confusing me with MikeTrout the blogger
but the mix up is understandable seeing as our user names rhyme ;). I’d be very content if Wood becomes a serviceable bullpen arm which seems like a reasonable outcome.
go long with extenze...i do
by angelsownredsux on Apr 30, 2025 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh, I knew that wasn't you who started it
Just natural you’d be rooting for Wood though
by MjwW on Apr 30, 2025 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Sam Dyson
5IP | 7H | 3R/ER | 2BB | 1K
The good news is most of the hits were singles, the bad new is almost every one was a very solid LD.
by MjwW on Apr 30, 2025 10:29 PM EDT reply actions
Gyorko
2-for-4, RBI
"Hosmer right in between Carter and Alvarez…. what is this list based on? height?" -- okteds, visionary (1/28/10)
by criminal type on Apr 30, 2025 11:21 PM EDT reply actions
Starting to adjust, I think.
"When you find your way. Then you see it disappear."
by padmadfan on May 1, 2025 3:31 AM EDT up reply actions
.310/.408/.500
over his last 10, with 2HR, 5BB, 7K over his last 42 ABs.
by Woodland League on May 1, 2025 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Shelby Miller
5-7-4-4-4
"Hosmer right in between Carter and Alvarez…. what is this list based on? height?" -- okteds, visionary (1/28/10)
by criminal type on Apr 30, 2025 11:23 PM EDT reply actions
Yeesh
I recently bumped him to 11th on my list and I’m starting to think that’s too high. I’m quite worried.
by kyuss94 on Apr 30, 2025 11:42 PM EDT via Android app up reply actions
to be fair
that’s a tough lineup he went up against in Iowa. A lot of guys who can (not that they are) mashing AAA in Brett Jackson, Anthony Rizzo, Luis Valbuena, Adrian Cardenas, along with enough capable filler’s.
Now, that said, I think there needs to be some very tiny concern shown for the fact that his control has been awry so far. Tis early, though, and I haven’t exactly followed Shelby in the early going so maybe there’s some explanation for it.
by toonsterwu on May 1, 2025 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions
This daily thread
has been the worst I’ve read in a long time.
by Tai Lung on Apr 30, 2025 11:24 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Agreed
People need to have a point before they post. Most today, unfortunately, did not.
by Mr. Smizik on Apr 30, 2025 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions
then don't read it
People need to have a point before they post.
why say something’s
unreadable for the most part
when you’ve obviously read the whole thing?
by JoelGuzman'sScout on May 1, 2025 1:16 AM EDT up reply actions
The "don't read it" crap
needs to stop. It’s completely valid to complain about tangential shit derailing the thread. This is officially a bankrupt response to valid complaints.
by charles wallace on May 1, 2025 9:23 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Yep, this argument sucks
It’s like a fat girl wearing a mini-skirt in public and then saying, “If you don’t like it, don’t look at it.”
Uh, its tough not to considering how much space (and air) it is taking up.
by Mr. Smizik on May 1, 2025 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
My analogy
would be going to a restaurant and having to sit next to a table of drunks who keep shouting at each other and urinating on the floor, and when you complain to the manager he tells you to just ignore them.
Here’s hoping people live up to their word and 86 this stuff.
by charles wallace on May 1, 2025 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions
This type of OT junk
will be the death of these daily threads if it persists. There has always been an annoying amount of banter to sift through but these threads are borderline unreadable as of the last week or so. People have opinions and that is great but some posters need to keep in ind that these threads don’t revolve around them. These are supposed to e player updates.
by huztler on May 1, 2025 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Alex Sogard
Welcome to Class AA:
2ip-3h-2er-4bb-2k
"Hosmer right in between Carter and Alvarez…. what is this list based on? height?" -- okteds, visionary (1/28/10)
by criminal type on Apr 30, 2025 11:26 PM EDT reply actions
Anyone listen to the Charleston game today?
Looking for why Mason Williams was lifted after the first inning.
Thanks!
by realitypolice on Apr 30, 2025 11:27 PM EDT reply actions
twitter says
he jammed his shoulder making a diving catch
by hybrid on May 1, 2025 1:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Aaron Hicks
2-for-5, SB
"Hosmer right in between Carter and Alvarez…. what is this list based on? height?" -- okteds, visionary (1/28/10)
by criminal type on Apr 30, 2025 11:28 PM EDT reply actions
Deck McGuire
(vs. Trevor May)
6ip-8h-3er-0bb-2k
"Hosmer right in between Carter and Alvarez…. what is this list based on? height?" -- okteds, visionary (1/28/10)
by criminal type on Apr 30, 2025 11:29 PM EDT reply actions
Tyson Gillies
(Hey, I’m still sort of a prospect!)
3-for-4, 2 2B, RBI
"Hosmer right in between Carter and Alvarez…. what is this list based on? height?" -- okteds, visionary (1/28/10)
by criminal type on Apr 30, 2025 11:30 PM EDT reply actions
Maybe he decided to stay of the coke.
Leader of Drew Vettleson fanclub
by Marinerfanjake on May 1, 2025 1:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Xander Bogaerts
2/5 with 2 RBI. I find it interesting that his LD% is only about 5%. Trying to add some context, there are only about 8-10 players in the Carolina league with a lower LD% . In MLB, only Eric Aybar has a LD% below 8%.
by ROBERTS04 on Apr 30, 2025 11:42 PM EDT reply actions
I duon't know about the Carolina League specifically
But I know for other lower leagues such as the Midwest League and FSL, the batted ball classifications can sometimes be odd and/or inconsistent. I often listen to the broadcasts, make notes and when I check those notes against what is reported in the play-by-play, it doesn;t always line up.
I thought it might be the announcers (saying line drive on a fliner that’s recorded as a fly ball), but I’m pretty sure it’s not just that. Some games things line up almost perfectly, some nights there’s multiple inconsistencies, and often on plays where it would be really difficult for there to be a possible inconsistency. So maybe that explains some of the low line drive rate. I started paying attention to this when I saw Marisnick had a reported line drive rate of around 16.5% yet a .320 BA and .374 BABIP. At the very least, I wouldn’t compare with MLB.
by MjwW on Apr 30, 2025 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Interesting
I wasn’t really trying to compare with MLB. I was just trying to add some context as to how low 5% is in the scheme of things. Even if it’s not exact, it’s still low enough for me to be somewhat concerned. Concerned might even be the wrong word. It just stood out to me as something to keep track of as the season progresses.
by ROBERTS04 on May 1, 2025 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah
Anyway you cut it, anything in the vicinity 5% is not good. I’m just thinking it might actually be a little better than that, but as you point out, still concerning.
by MjwW on May 1, 2025 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions
LD%
pretty low correlation from year to year, I wouldn’t be concerned
by Lucretius on May 1, 2025 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions
David Freitas
3/4 with a run. Now batting .333/.431/.533 with 10 BB’s and 7 K’s. Earned the “Sleeper Alert!” label from John. Should see a true test in AA soon.
by ROBERTS04 on Apr 30, 2025 11:52 PM EDT reply actions
Mr. Sano
2-3, BB K
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mlb-big-league-stew/photo-logan-morrison-bryan-petersen-share-tub-drink-043548597.html
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on May 1, 2025 12:00 AM EDT reply actions
Gabriel Lino
1/3 with 2 runs. Dylan Bundy’s battery mate now batting .313/.375/.484. In case you are not familiar with him, he is a catcher and only turns 19 in May.
by ROBERTS04 on May 1, 2025 12:04 AM EDT reply actions
I guessed
he was a catcher off of “Dylan Bundy’s batter mate” :P
by McCutchenIsTheTruth on May 1, 2025 1:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Been posting on him for a few weeks
He’s a solid sleeper and got good marks from Mike Newman recently.
by charles wallace on May 1, 2025 9:25 AM EDT up reply actions
It's interesting,
because I came into the year with Tyler Austin, Lino and Glynn Davis on my sleeper/follow list, and Newman pegged all three as sleepers after seeing them this year. Always nice when a trusted source’s impressions back up your intuition.
by charles wallace on May 1, 2025 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Would you guys mind
having these Taveras discussions in one big thread? I’m not saying you have to, or that my opinion carries any weight, but I’m just asking out of courtesy. I like these threads for getting my prospect states and sometime knee-jerk reacions to a crazy line or two and of course all the Peter Dinklage gifs the world can provide. And it’s just getting a little tedious to navigate around with all the OT vitriol.
by sourstuff on May 1, 2025 3:45 AM EDT reply actions
The best part...
Is that Casejud only posted 20 or so times in this thread. There have been around 100 comments complaining about those 20, and how much it clogs up the daily threads.
It’s starting to become akin to somebody screaming at people to stop whispering in a theater…
by turambar85 on May 1, 2025 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
People aren't complaining just because of this thread
by nixa37 on May 1, 2025 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Of course not...
But this thread has had a lot of complaint directed towards this thread in particular. It just seems funny.
by turambar85 on May 1, 2025 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Well,
since a good number of those are people (perversely) telling people to “ignore” it, like you, you’re not really in a position to point fingers. You’re part of the problem. lol
by charles wallace on May 1, 2025 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions
20 posts in this thread
is a lot of posts about nothing
by huztler on May 1, 2025 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Danny Rosenbaum
7IP 6H 0R 0BB 5K. Not a dominant pitcher but effective.
by charles wallace on May 1, 2025 10:36 AM EDT reply actions
Rafael Montero
5IP 7H 6R 6ER 0BB 3K with 2 HRA. Sand Gnat kids gettin’ banged on this week.
by charles wallace on May 1, 2025 10:37 AM EDT reply actions
Christian Villanueva
2 for 4 with a walk.
by charles wallace on May 1, 2025 10:39 AM EDT reply actions
Carlos Sanchez
3 for 5 with a double, strikeout
by charles wallace on May 1, 2025 10:40 AM EDT reply actions
Kaleb Cowart
1 for 4 with a homer, strikeout
by charles wallace on May 1, 2025 10:41 AM EDT reply actions
The Avisail Garcia Show continues
2 for 4 with a home run, strikeout.
Unsustainable BABiP and perilously low walk rate (perfectly in line with career rates), but he’s a terror right now and the XBH have all come in the last nine games.
by charles wallace on May 1, 2025 10:45 AM EDT reply actions
currently have him at 110 overall....going to come out and post top 110-120 before June Draft, maybe late May.
- NO guys currently on pace to exhaust their prospect status by draft time….
(yae)
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mlb-big-league-stew/photo-logan-morrison-bryan-petersen-share-tub-drink-043548597.html
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on May 1, 2025 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm interested to see
how he fares in Double-A. The strikeout rate is just on the good side of 20%.
by charles wallace on May 1, 2025 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Will Swanner
2 for 3 with a double. Four two-hit games in last six.
by charles wallace on May 1, 2025 10:47 AM EDT reply actions
Nick Franklin
Might be a nice time to compare his AA stats:
2011: 92 PA, .325/.371/.482; 2HR, 6BB, 18K
2012: 92 PA, .295/.360/.444; 2HR, 8BB, 13K
I only have splits for this year, but they may give some insight into what type of hitter he is from both sides:
as a LHH: .305/.379/.475; 59 ABs, 12K, 7BB, 2HR
as a RHH: .273/.304/.364; 22 ABs, 1K, 1BB, 0 HR
So it seems that he may be a better contact hitter, but hits the ball with less authority - hence the lower average. Perhaps a slap-type hitter. He hits for more authority from the left, but Ks more and walks more. It’s been said here once or twice in the past that he should probably just go full time to LHH. The stats, although small, tend to corroborate that thought. But one thing to consider is that he might actually do worse than that slash line batting as a LHH vs LHP. If anything, the fact that his better hand is as a lefty bodes well for the future. I think he’s had a really nice year so far and has regained some of his top 50 luster in my view (I realize some gave him a pass for last year’s injuries - me too to a degree - but I thought his performance was a little weak. This has been a strong start for a SS.)
by Woodland League on May 1, 2025 10:56 AM EDT reply actions
Hechavarria
2 for 4 with a HR and a walk.
First 14 games 2 BB 15 K’s
Last 10 games 6 BB 10 K’s
If he can keep up the improved discipline then he will be a good one. Even a league average bat will make him a good MLB player with his D.
by pedrophile on May 1, 2025 12:19 PM EDT reply actions
Forgive me for continuing with this, but this is my first post on this site...
..after my 24 hour waiting (background check) period expired. I’m happy to be part of your community, and will do my best to fit in.
While I was waiting, I read through this and some other posts, and quite honestly I find your passion about your favorite players enlightening. (I came across another similar thread in a previous post about Andrelton Simmons, that was a fun read, too).
In reading through some of the top prospect list, the highest ranking I could find for Taveras was 23rd, and that was by a fantasy slanted site who likely is more concerned about keeper league rosters four years from now.
The next highest was 34, which was actually the community list done here (tremendous effort by everyone).
For the most part, Taveras is in 50 range or so, with some as low as the 80’s.
I’ve seen Taveras a few times, and while there’s no doubting his ability to barrel the ball, he really doesn’t have a plus tool, and the further he advances the more he’s going to have to learn to recognize pitches and get into favorable hitting counts.
If I look for a comparable to Taveras, off the top of my head I think of Anthony Gose, they are the same size physically, and they are both lefty/lefty outfielders.
They both have their own issues in the batter’s box, but in looking at the overall package, Gose is now, and will be in the future, the better player.
Taveras isn’t a basestealing threat and he won’t be a power threat.
I can easily see him as the Cardinals everyday rightfielder down the road, likely hitting sixth or seventh, with second a possibility if he can learn some patience.
by mlbprospectpulse on May 1, 2025 2:51 PM EDT reply actions
Welcome
…to the community MPP. Fair analysis, but you’re completely off-base by saying “OT” isn’t as good as Gose! Just kidding. Welcome again, and hope you can add some sanity:)
by killa on May 1, 2025 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Joe Wieland
Getting his 4th start:
5IP, 5H, 3ER, 2BB, 8K - 2 HR to Braun, who had 3 total in the game.
All in all, I think the kid continues to do well. 22IP, 20K, 8BB. 4.91 ERA. He’s given up 5HR (2 to Braun, 2 to Kemp), but the Ks are encouraging and I expect the BB% rate to come down. If he gets sent back down to AAA soon as guys return from the DL, he should have some positives to build upon.
by Woodland League on May 1, 2025 5:27 PM EDT reply actions
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