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A Relative Newcomer's Top-100 List

Well, I'm relatively new to the site and I'm not incredibly well-versed with prospects, but I thought I'd give a Top-100 a shot.  I was originally going to have a paragraph write-up with each prospect, but it took me a few hours to get through Bowden and I was fed up with doing it (so much respect to John for being able to release such a detailed book every year, I would never have the patience for it). This is slightly edited from the list I submitted to the Synthesis (Forgot Arencibia as an example).  Without further adieu here it is, and I'm posting it to see what people think so if you see an issue please post about it, discussion is encouraged.

1)      Matt Wieters

2)      David Price

3)      Jason Heyward

4)      Travis Snider

5)      Madison Bumgarner

6)      Cameron Maybin

7)      Dexter Fowler

8)      Tim Alderson

9)      Trevor Cahill

10)  Andrew McCutchen

11)  Rick Porcello

12)  Jhoulys Chacin

13)  Neftali Feliz

14)  Brett Anderson

15)  Mike Moustakas

16)  Matt LaPorta

17)  Colby Rasmus

18)  Pedro Alvarez

19)  Justin Smoak

20)  Brian Matusz

21)  Derek Holland

22)  Tim Beckham

23)  Lars Anderson

24)  Logan Morrison

25)  Thomas Hanson

26)  Mat Gamel

27)  Freddie Freeman

28)  Jarrod Parker

29)  Michael Stanton

30)  Carlos Santana

31)  Eric Hosmer

32)  Gordon Beckham

33)  Brett Wallace

34)  Josh Vitters

35)  Yonder Alonso

36)  Buster Posey

37)  Wade Davis

38)  Brett Cecil

39)  Chris Tillman

40)  Michael Bowden

41)  Alcides Escobar

42)  Jeremy Hellickson

43)  Jordan Schafer

44)  Fernando Martinez

45)  Taylor Teagarden

46)  Jesus Montero

47)  Phillippe Aumont

48)  Elvis Andrus

49)  Jordan Zimmerman

50)  Austin Jackson

51)  Reid Brignac

52)  Ben Revere

53)  Carlos Carrasco

54)  Michael Main

55)  Aaron Cunningham

56)  Carlos Triunfel

57)  Adrian Cardenas

58)  Michael Saunders

59)  Tyler Flowers

60)  Desmond Jennings

61)  Aaron Hicks

62)  Aaron Poreda

63)  Kyle Blanks

64)  Wilmer Flores

65)  Jordan Walden

66)  Greg Halman

67)  Max Ramirez

68)  Angel Villalona

69)  Angel Salome

70)  James McDonald

71)  Matt Dominguez

72)  Jake Arietta

73)  Ivan Dejesus

74)  Todd Frazier

75)  Chris Carter

76)  Neftali Soto

77)  Jason Donald

78)  Michael Burgess

79)  Kila Kaaihue

80)  Chris Coghlan

81)  Daryl Jones

82)  Beau Mills

83) J.P. Arencibia

84)  Jose Tabata

85)  Adam Miller

86)  Ethan Martin

87)  Jeff Niemann

88)  Matt Moore

89)  Nick Weglarz

90)  Michael Taylor

91)  Jemile Weeks

92)  Brad Holt

93)  Vincent Mazzarro

94)  James Simmons

95)  Gorkys Hernandez

96)  Jake McGee

97)  Scott Elbert

98)  Chris Perez

99)  Jonathan Niese

100) Nick Barnese

 

 

 

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For taking the time to share your thoughts.

Merry Christmas!

Now raise your goblet of rock. It's a toast to those who rock!

by Dewey Finn on Dec 22, 2025 11:58 PM EST reply reply   0 recs

Being Nice

Good for you to put it out there, and have Happy Holidays. My list does not resemble this one.

by killa on Dec 23, 2025 12:12 AM EST reply reply   0 recs

I got your list!

Thanks for submitting it.

And anyone who has issues with yours should send theirs in to me, too:

SiddfynchATgmailDOTcom

by siddfynch on Dec 23, 2025 2:46 AM EST reply reply   0 recs

+1

Can’t say enough about your efforts in compiling what should be the most conclusive list this comunnity has compiled. No disrespect to all the work pinstripes and KBR have done, but this list obviously won’t have the same “ballot-stuffing” concerns among other things.

by Navi's_Navy on Dec 23, 2025 2:55 AM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

my top 50

1.David Price
2.Matt Wieters
3.Jason Heyward
4.Travis Snider
5.Trevor Cahill
6.Cameron Maybin
7.Colby Rasmus
8.Madison Bumgarner
9.Rick Porcello
10.Neftali Feliz
11.Dexter Fowler
12.Mike Moustakas
13.Tim Alderson
14.Tommy Hanson
15.Chris Tillman
16.Matt Laporta
17.Andrew McCutchen
18.Lars Anderson
19.Jhoulys Chacin
20.Pedro Alvarez
21.Derek Holland
22.Elvis Andrus
23.Eric Hosmer
24.Brian Matusz
25.Jarrod Parker
26.Justin Smoak
27.Mike Stanton
28.Tim Beckham
29.Buster Posey
30.Fernando Martinez
31.Brett Anderson
32.Angel Villonia
33.Logan Morrison
34.Wade Davis
35.Jake Arrieta
36.Josh Vitters
37.James McDonald
38.Gordon Beckham
39.Jeff Samardzija
40.Freddie Freeman
41.Phillippe Aumont
42.Brett Cecil
43.Chris Carter
44.Adrian Cardenas
45.Wilmer Flores
46.Jason Donald
47.Carlos Santana
48.Carlos Triunfel
49.Matt Dominguez
50.Ben Revere

by Orioles77 on Dec 23, 2025 8:36 AM EST reply reply   0 recs

Very Solid List

although Carter/Tillman/Samardizja/Arrieta/Villalona/McDonald are high IMO while Santana/Anderson/McCutchen are a little low I.M.O.

by Navi's_Navy on Dec 23, 2025 2:08 PM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I like this list

We’re similar on some guys, we differ on some guys, and we’re exactly the same on some guys(Hicks at 61). Couple of questions though:

1. Why so high on Tim Alderson?

2. Why so low on James McDonald and Max Ramirez?

Just curious, because for the most part this is the first list I’ve caught myself nodding my head at alot as I read it.

"So's your mom"-David Sloane

by gatling on Dec 23, 2025 9:44 AM EST reply reply   0 recs

Two main things about Alderson

about Alderson that seperate him from someone like Brett Anderson (hes the closest pitcher in rank who is comparable)

the first is home run rates (which some say should regress for Alderson, but I’ll take 4 HR in 145 innings at face value) and even though Alderson’s GO/AO ratio (40/60) isn’t indicitive of someone who will never give up home runs, a 10% infield fly% is, as it implies (and this is going to sound incredibly stupid) that even when hitters do hit his pitches in the air they aren’t making good enough contact to drive it far (15% LD rate is good but not great).

Secondly is the factor of age for his level. Succeeding in this fasion (ok, its not domination, although it was an incredibly season) as a 19 year old in a league where he wouldn’t be faulted for being 20-21. If he had pitched more his rookie year he could’ve gotten some innings in AA and that would’ve been ridiculous. But that is neither here nor there.

Also, coupled with realistic strand rate (71%) and a fairly advanced arsenal (3 pitches, 2 of which grade out as potential plus pitches, his fastball and curveball, and a decent change that with more use should become an above average pitch). He has shown the ability to stay healthy, so I’m not worried about this kid.

by Navi's_Navy on Dec 23, 2025 1:15 PM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Ok

I’m not particularly worried about Alderson either, I guess I’m just curious why you put as the #3 SP prospect in all of baseball. I have him as the #11 pitcher on my list, with Cahill, Anderson, Feliz, Holland, Porcello, Chacin, Hanson, and Tillman ahead of him along with Price and MadBum. His numbers this year kind of remind me of the way Michael Bowden blew thru the Cal League a couple years back. Solid K rates, good walk rates, unsustainable HR rate. I was WAY too high Bowden after that little sample, and I kind of think maybe you’re overrating Alderson in the same way. If you normalize Alderson’s numbers for park and luck, his FIP rises by almost a full run, and his HR rate goes to a more normal .99 instead of the extremely low .24 he posted. I’m guessing the fact that he gave up as many HR on the road in half as many innings as he did at home means we’ll see a rise in his HR rate. Maybe it stays fairly low, in the .50-.60 range or something, but it’s not going to remain so low.

I like him quite a bit, own him in a fantasy league, but I guess I just don’t see him as the #3 pitching prospect in the game.

Thanks for the response, I appreciate it.

"So's your mom"-David Sloane

by gatling on Dec 23, 2025 2:00 PM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I'm still

high on Bowden =], but Bowden was a year earlier and the sample size was nearly 1/4th of what Alderson’s was (146 IP 46 IP, although Bowden’s stretch was unbelieveable)

by Navi's_Navy on Dec 23, 2025 2:05 PM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I'm still high on Bowden too

I’ve got him at 47 vs. 40 for you, and I know the sample sizes were different, but I still think you’re overrating Alderson. You used Brett Anderson to try and explain why you have Alderson that high, and while I disagree with that, what is the explanation for having ahead him of guys like Cahill, Chacin, Hanson, Porcello? Same with Holland and Feliz, unless you believe Holland was pretty flukey(possible) and you strongly believe Feliz ends up as a reliever, I don’t see how you put Alderson ahead of those two.

What makes him standout vs. all of these other pitchers in your mind?

"So's your mom"-David Sloane

by gatling on Dec 23, 2025 2:18 PM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Well

From 8-15 you could pretty much shuffle them around in any order in my mind and I’d be ok with it quite honestly

Cahill needs a good third pitch before I fully commit to him (I probably like Anderson more than him, actually, but Cahill has more upside so thats why he gets the nod)

Chacin just wasn’t as dominant in high A (18% LD rate compared to 12 at A ball) I’m not low on him by any means, but it just wasn’t the same kind of domination as Alderson.

I really do believe Feliz ends up as a reliever if not then he would belong up in the top 10 as well

Porcello I really do like in the same way as Alderson, an 8% LD rate is very pretty, I just don’t know if he can maintain it (and if he doesn’t and the strikeouts don’t come up then it might be trouble). But I’m not as worried about Porcello’s K rates as others

Hanson gives up alot of home runs. I don’t care if you think that Alderson’s HR rates rise (they will, but IMO not past .5-.7 per nine) the only time Hanson really hasn’t given up homers was in his streak at Myrtle Beach earlier this year, and as a flyball pitcher I think its fair to say some luck played into that. Also, a jump in LD% from him as well isn’t encouraging

Holland can’t quite be trusted yet in my opinion, he’s a mystery. Through the first half of the year his peripherals were mixed (a 22% FB rate but a 16% LD rate) and then he moves up a level and his LD rate drops (11) but his FB rate skyrockets (39). His short stint at AA is probably about rate (45% GB rate, 32% FB rate, and 13% LD rate), but at the same time that leaves the question of his high strand rate at AA (and not quite as bad in A ball) compared to his mark of 56% in A+. Just too many crossing signals from Holland

by Navi's_Navy on Dec 23, 2025 5:24 PM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

LD%

This seems to be the basis of your argument here, and I can’t say that I’ve ever really seen anyone lean on it so heavily when evaluating pitchers. Is there something I’m missing here? I’ve seen it here more than once that LD% is unreliable for hitters in the minors because of the different ways line drives are recorded by different scorers. Wouldn’t it go to reason that it would be equally unreliable for pitchers then?

I guess I’m really curious why you’re so reliant on that one statistic. If you could shed some light on it, I would appreciate it. Always looking for better ways to understand/evaluate guys.

"So's your mom"-David Sloane

by gatling on Dec 23, 2025 5:44 PM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Line Drives and Infield Flys

Yes, you might have issues with the way the scorers are scoring, but taking the information at face value a high line drive rate (to me, anyways) is indicitive of a pitcher who is getting hit hard. If you’re getting hit hard there is nothing to say that as your progress through the levels (where there are presumably better hitters) those hard hit baseballs will start leading to home runs. There is also no way to quantify this, but I think it can be relatively accepted that a line drive is the most difficult batted ball to field (except for, obviously, a home run), and while this is defense dependent and a pitching prospect’s value shouldn’t be dictated by the defense behind him, if something in his control (high LD rates) are causing fielding mishaps behind him then he deserves some of the blame and isn’t quite as good a pitcher. Line drives look prettier (sometimes) because they generally stay in the park (unlike flyballs), but I still feel (and I’m pretty sure most do) that a line drive is the worst event that can happen because not only can it result in a home run (on rare occasions) but it is typically going to go for a hit or extra bases a higher percent of the time than a groundball/flyball/or infield flyball (I’m pulling that out of my ass, but I’m going to assume that if I had the patience or the pitch f/x data this is what would come out of the research).

Most people are all about getting high GB rate to lower HR as the general thinking is that no matter how much control a pitcher has over flyballs (which many, including myself agree is little) some will always find their way over the wall and this won’t happen with ground balls.

I, on the other hand, like to see high infield flyball %s (as I feel this is getting hitters to swing but swing at bad pitches or get them off balance) which is almost as good (but not quite as good) as a swinging strike. Low LD and high infield fly rates are hard to come by, but my thinking is that if you get alot of infield flyballs then you can assume your flyballs are going a shorter distance than a pitcher who doesn’t

Lets say you have a pitcher with this type of line 45% GB rate, 35% FB rate, 10% Infield FB rate, and 10% LD rate and you can say that the average distance the infield fly balls travel is 130 ft that is nearly 1/5th of all Fly balls hit (and consequently 45% of all balls put into play go that distance)

but what about balls that went 200 ft, an infielder most likely won’t get to a pitch like that, but it isn’t close to being a home run at any professional stadium, I assume that pitchers with high infield fly ball %s will get more of these short flyballs because they seemingly keep hitters more off-balance. I would really like to do some analysis with pitch f/x data on flyball distance (which there has been some done, and if anyone knows where I can find it I would greatly appreciate a link) and how infield fly rates translate to HRs, but for now I assume that pitches that have more AO than GO can be ok as long as a portion of their flyballs are in the infield.

What all this talk of infield flys has to do with line drives is that I feel they are the antithesis of each other as the infield fly is generally (in my mind) more indicitive of a pitch who is keeping hitters “off-balance” while a pitcher who is giving up line drives is doing one of a few things problematically (loosing control of his pitches, tipping off his pitches in his delivery, etc. etc.) so the two combined (low LD and high IF fly) is my way of analyzing pitchers.

Of course Ks are the best result for a pitcher in the end, but generally a high amount of Ks does not allow for extra innings, so there is benefit and harm in throwing so many pitches. So while I would love a 21 K/9 pitcher, I worry about his/their ability to pitch prolonged innings in a game.

I’m sorry for the long post, I’m sure I said something hypocritical or entirely incorrect in their =p

by Navi's_Navy on Dec 23, 2025 6:06 PM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Thanks

I’m not sure that I agree with all of that, but thanks for explaining your reasoning behind it. I guess I’d rather bet on guys that get the high GB% like Cahill/Anderson/Chacin/Porcello over FB type pitchers like Alderson, and to a lesser degree Tillman/Hanson.

Also, and I have nothing to back this up other than it makes sense to me, but guys that pitch to contact(i.e. groundball type guys) could end up with a bit higher LD% simply because of the higher rate of contact made with the ball. Maybe that’s all wrong, I really don’t know, it just seems to make sense to me.

"So's your mom"-David Sloane

by gatling on Dec 23, 2025 7:36 PM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Well

if they make more contact then (if they aren’t a complete pumpkin) then they will be getting grounders and weak flys more often than line drives. K pitchers tend to have higher LD rates with lower infield fly rates because their stuff is typically good enough to generate a swing and a miss instead of a swing and weak contact.

Thats kind of how I’ve looked at it at least.

by Navi's_Navy on Dec 23, 2025 10:28 PM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Ok

I guess I was just thinking more balls in play=more chances for line drives. It just seems to me there is a higher chance for that, which might mean that a higher LD% isn’t necessarily as bad for a GB pitcher as it is for a FB pitcher. The harder contact guys are getting on a FB pitcher, the better chance for home runs down the road I’d think. That’s why I like guys like Cahill, Anderson, and Chacin so much. They generate lots of grounders, but still record the strikeouts too.

On a different note, you mention that Chacin’s LD% rose when he moved up to the Cal League, but if you check his splits he seemed to be hurt by his home park there, a LD% in the 20’s vs. 12.4% on the road, which matches up with his numbers in Low A. Something to consider I think.

"So's your mom"-David Sloane

by gatling on Dec 23, 2025 11:37 PM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Well

this could be more of an example of bad scoring at different parks, but his line drives really shouldn’t be greatly affected by park.

I probably chalk this up to relatively small sample size, because there shouldn’t be a reason, unless there are other circumstances at home (more innings in each start at home?, better teams faced at home?) that are making his LD rate rise.

by Navi's_Navy on Dec 24, 2025 12:45 AM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Ok

That’s fine and I can buy that, it’s just you used his rise in LD% at High A as reason to put Alderson ahead of him. If we’re going to say it’s a SSS, then does that change the positioning of Chacin at all?

"So's your mom"-David Sloane

by gatling on Dec 24, 2025 1:05 AM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

The Only Thing Incorrect

There*
Last word you typed.

A noob or n00b is someone that lacks intellegance or common sense, most people think that noob is a word used only in the online gaming world, but in reality it is becoming an ever popular word with teenage society.

a noob could be simply a level 100 running round shouting ‘’WTF DO I GO!?’’ or someone calling someone else a noob and then getting hit with a brick, anyone can call anyone a noob, but normally they are noobs themselves
-robert_d_wilfong

by cwhitman412 on Dec 24, 2025 8:11 AM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Given a choice between a ground ball pitcher with high HR/FB

and a fly ball pitcher with low HR/FB, I’ll take the ground ball pitcher every time. A-ball hitters can’t muscle some of Alderson’s pitches out of the park— OK, but that says nothing about whether the far better hitters at the MLB level can.

Anderson strikes out more batters, walks fewer, gets more ground balls, has better stuff, has incredible makeup and has worked at higher levels. I know it’s hard to not look at that shiny ERA number, but there isn’t a single relevant peripheral or tool at which Anderson is worse than Alderson.

Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.

by PaulThomas on Dec 23, 2025 2:13 PM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I get your point

and maybe I did underrate Anderson (his lack of “ace” potential kept him out of the top 10, but with a good to my head I probably say hes on par in my mind with Alderson and will probably have more success with Cahill because I can’t see him really busting

That being said, counterargument
Stuffwise, Anderson is better only because he has a fourth pitch (their change-ups are comparable, I would say Alderson’s fastball is a little better, and his breaking ball seems to be on par with Anderson).

Alderson’s body allows him to throw from a downhill plane (not that 6’4" for Anderson is all that bad), and as a 19 year old to have the kind of velocity/sink he has on his fastball with the ability to control it is big. I think that by the time he reaches the majors he will be throwing it consistently around 93 miles per hour (he already sits between 90-92). Its coupled with faith in the change-up (which I think will be a better pitch for Alderson than it is for Anderson based on the shear fact that Alderson will more than likely throw it more often because he has one less pitch)

Those same hitters who seemingly couldn’t muscle out Alderson’s pitches (4 HR in 145 IP to refresh memory) did so seemingly fine to Anderson at the same level (A+) at the same age (19) to the tune of 11 HR between A and A+ in 120 IP. I’m sorry, but regardless of the fact that Alderson pitched in less of a hitters enviroment 145 IP and 4 HR allowed at the same level as Anderson is more conclusive than 120 IP of 11 HR from Anderson. What you suggested is that any HR number below major league level should just be thrown out the window, and I have no reason to believe that because when comparing prospects (Anderson and Alderson in this case) they were both playing at the same level against the same competition at the same age (albeit that Alderson pitched in a better enviroment)

He has worked at the same level at the same age, 11 months older and is one level higher, I think its reasonable to expect that Alderson will be at AA next year as well.

I think Alderson will develop the stuff to be an ace (with the downside of a 3 or 4) while Anderson has the stuff (and the better makeup) to be a weak ace but most likely a 2 in his prime and a 3 or 4 the rest of the way (which is very very good)

by Navi's_Navy on Dec 23, 2025 5:42 PM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Ramirez/McDonald

I was focusing on Alderson and completley lost sight of the second question.

On McDonald, I’m fearful that he moves to the bullpen, his HR rate is high (12 HR in 118 IP at AA this past year) and that isn’t because of an inflated BABIP (.274). High infield fly rates are encouraging, but a spike this past year in LD% (12% in 06 and 07 but 17.5% between two levels this year). Also he doesn’t get many swinging strikes for a strikeout pitcher.

On Max Ramirez, being 22 in A+ last year and 23 this past year (and we can expect he’ll be in AAA for the majority of this year) means that he wont be nice and ready by 25. Thats not the be-all end-all, we know very well that older prospects can succeed, but its not a plus for him. Walk rate is nice, but his strikeout rate isn’t excellent (if he was given 600 PA he would have 110-120 K). I’m still not sold on his defense being average or above average either (I want to see it for myself, but god knows that’ll seemingly never happen with the Rangers’ influx at the position). Maybe I’m a little down on him, although Victor Martinez upside in his prime is fair, his downside? I dunno. Kelly Shoppach without the defense?

by Navi's_Navy on Dec 23, 2025 1:36 PM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

BABIP

doesn’t have anything to do with HR. If anything, a disproportionate amount of home runs MAY bring BABIP down, as balls that should have been hits might luck their way over a wall from time to time.

BABIP measures the percentage of balls in play (the ball is hit into fair territory, but not over the wall) that drop for hits.

by DrunkIrish on Dec 23, 2025 1:45 PM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

That I did not know +1

thank you for the clarification then

by Navi's_Navy on Dec 23, 2025 1:55 PM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Ramirez

I guess I’m not really even worrying about how Ramirez turns out defensively, if he can stay at catcher that’s just a really big bonus. His bat to me just seems very special to me. He wasn’t old for his level(23 is pretty age appropriate for AA), and he wasn’t just a product of a good hitting environment either. I wanted to say his bat reminds me of Edgar Martinez, but I don’t think he’ll walk that much or get the K’s down to that level, but I don’t see why he could put up numbers like Travis Hafner did in 2004 and 2005. If he doesn’t have to focus on catching, I think you’ll see an increase his offensive numbers, which puts him into elite territory with the bat-something you need to do if your a DH(which is what I really see for him).

"So's your mom"-David Sloane

by gatling on Dec 23, 2025 2:25 PM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Ehh...

You think Ramirez can consistenly produce an OPS+ above 150 let along above 160 like Hafner did those two years? I can’t see him hitting that many home runs, hitting for quite as high an average, walking quite as much, or striking out as little.

Maybe Hafner lite at a line of .285/.370/.470 in his prime from a bad catcher’s spot, average 1B, or DH

by Navi's_Navy on Dec 23, 2025 6:08 PM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Yep

The guy has posted a luck/park adjusted career line of .295/.405/.493 while getting over 60% of his AB’s as a catcher. All he’s done is consistently improve with the bat each year. He hits the ball hard, has at least a solid batting eye, and doesn’t strike out an excessive amount. This year in AA at 23(age appropriate level), he hit .329/.429/.609 luck/park adjusted with 34 XBH’s in 280 plate appearances.

The big key is he’s done this while spending alot of time behind the dish. Good or bad defensively, it takes a toll on a guy to catch. That’s going to be reflected in his offensive numbers. I’m saying forget about him as a catcher, his bat will carry him. We’re also comparing a 23 year old kid in the minors to a guy in his prime in Hafner circa 2004/2005, but I don’t think it’s out of the realm of possibility for him to be that type of hitter. I’m not saying day one he comes in and does that, but I’d say his peak years could look very similar to Hafner’s 2004/2005 seasons.

You say you can’t see him hitting that many HR’s, but we’re talking high 20’s/low 30’s to match the years I used as a comp. You know he hit 19 HR in less than 300 AB’s this year right? I don’t think 28-33 HR(the numbers Hafner hit in the years I mentioned) is out of the question for Ramirez as a DH. As for the BB and K numbers, he walked 42 times in 327 PA’s this year, and K’d 69 times. I don’t see any issue with him walking as much as Hafner did those two years, but I can buy that he’d strikeout a bit more(although is K total this year was a little high due to the 13 K’s in 40 PA’s in AAA).

I can see Ramirez posting your above line if he stayed at catcher, but without that physical toll on him, the guy is going to rake.

"So's your mom"-David Sloane

by gatling on Dec 23, 2025 6:47 PM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

+1

I see the argument and am probably going to bump him up in a switch with Montero (who I’ve been thinking of bumping down for a while for this exact reason). I still prefer Teagarden as the defense helps, alot, but I could probably stand to move Ramirez up 15-20 picks (still have Main ahead of him), but you have convinced me to move him to 55 or so.

by Navi's_Navy on Dec 23, 2025 7:00 PM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Montero

I’m glad I persuaded you to move Ramirez up the list, but I’m not sure that it should come at the expense of Montero. He’s another guy who’s bat I think is going to really take him places. He seems like he has 30+ HR potential at least, and he doesn’t K an excessive amount by any mean. He does need to improve the walk rate, but at age 18 he’s certainly got time to do that.

I’ve got Teagarden behind both of them, but not by alot. I have concerns with his contact ability in the bigs, but I hope they prove to be wrong. One of my fantasy teams would be much better off if Teagarden can hit for a .260+ average to go with that power.

"So's your mom"-David Sloane

by gatling on Dec 23, 2025 7:16 PM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Montero

I originally thought he at least had a SHOT at staying at catcher. If he moves to 1B then I feel he is Chris Carter (minus some walks and some strikeouts, but similar power output). Somewhere between Mike Jacobs and Carlos Pena 30-35 HR a year with a .280/.350/.500 line as upside? eh… its good, but its ALOT nicer when he has potential to stick at catcher.

If they were at least going to keep trying to improve his defense at I’d be ok with my placement of him, but if they (and I’ve heard that they are) just planning to stick him at first now, then his value just plummets, absolutley shoots itself in the foot in my opinion

by Navi's_Navy on Dec 23, 2025 10:31 PM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I agree about McDonald,

I think this community has him too high in general because at the MLB level his K rates are going to be going way down without a higher quality out pitch and his LD% and subsequently BABIP (DrunkIrish points out that the HR rate isn’t an issue with LD%, but BABIP is) are going to be going up. If he was a groundball pitcher I could see him as a top 50 prospect, but he’s not.

Ramirez you probably do have too low, though.

by Rox Girl on Dec 23, 2025 4:10 PM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Not bad at all

Good list! I have minor qualms about a couple rankings (much higher on a few pitchers), but all in all, I like it.

by RedSoxFaithful on Dec 23, 2025 10:46 AM EST reply reply   0 recs

That would be me

I’m apparently a bigger fan of Tillman/Zimmermann/Arrieta. Much bigger fan, actually. :-)

by RedSoxFaithful on Dec 23, 2025 9:57 PM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Arrietta/Tillman

those are two that I thought I would get more beef for

Zimmerman I’m surprised about, however, why high on Zim?

by Navi's_Navy on Dec 23, 2025 10:32 PM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

How come you're so low on the two?

My best game plan is to sit on the bench and call out specific instructions like 'C'mon Boog,' 'Get ahold of one, Frank,' or 'Let's go, Brooks.' -Earl Weaver

by Baltimo on Dec 24, 2025 7:11 AM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Great list

Thanks for posting it. I only have minor quibbles with it.

Too low:

Neftali Feliz (I really think he is the #2 pitcher in the minors right now)
Daryl Jones (a top 50 talent that no one seems to be ranking in the top 50 - I will be posting more on him in the near future)
Matt Dominguez (style reminds me of Troy Glaus - great glove, plus power, but likely won’t hit for a high Avg)

Too high:

Alderson (Command/control guys in the low minors typically get exposed as they climb the ladder. He could prove me wrong, but I will not be placing him anywhere near my top 10)
Gamel (no position to speak of, high average hitter that lacks the power necessary to be an All-Star caliber player. The late season fizzle once LaPorta was traded has me very skeptical as well).
Chacin (just don’t like him as much as everyone else seems to - maybe it is Colorado, maybe it’s that he doesn’t seem to have that one ++ pitch in his arsenal to get high K numbers)

by guru4u on Dec 23, 2025 12:49 PM EST reply reply   0 recs

Thanks

On Feliz its all based on fears that he might move to the bullpen, if he does his value plummets so I can’t put him higher right now.

On Jones, people (like me) are down on Rasmus for having his 2008, but look at Daryl Jones’ 2007. You can’t be the .217/.304/.297 type of abysmal in a full season of at plate appearances (nearly 500) as a 20 year old in A ball and expect me to forget about it. I also don’t have much faith in his power developing. 10-15 HR with 25-30 SB and good BB rates if he catches some breaks and hits his prime.

Dominguez was originally in around 55, but I kept rethinking his placement. Not only am I not a fan of the incredibly young players (don’t throw Madbum/Alderson/and Heyward in my face =p) to start off, but before I give him the Troy Glaus comparison (which is a viable one) he needs to start taking more walks. I do trust the power, but if he doesn’t start taking walks then pitchers will take advantage of him and that could lead to his average dropping, and hes not the kind of power hitter that can hit .220 with a .280 OBP and still be successful at the major league level because every time he makes contact it goes out of the park. He does play very good defense and the power is there and its not like he makes horrible contact (from what I’ve read) but the BB rate is real low… He should probably be above Villalona, however, after further review.

Alderson, well the explanation is in the post above

Gamel kind of gives me the Mike Sweeny feel, 20/25 HR with solid averages, except he exchanges the glove for some better shoes. This upside is pretty low considerng where he is on the list, but I think he is ready to produce a .310/.370/.470 line in the majors if not by opening day then by midseason or opening day 2010 and that kind of closeness to the majors is valuable.

Chacin is debatable (although hes probably my favorite pitcher behind Cha-Seung-Baek) anyway… He may not have a ++ pitch, but he has three plus pitches (the curve is debatable) and pitched well in a hitters park for the majority of this past year. That kind of ground ball rate is nothing to sneeze at

by Navi's_Navy on Dec 23, 2025 1:53 PM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs


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