Dewey's Report Card: The "A" List
by Dewey Finn on Dec 15, 2025 5:57 PM EST
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Good evening folks. I would like to present to you my Report Card for prospects. This will be the first of 3 segments (A, B, C). I understand that many of you do not share my opinions, therefore, I would welcome any feedback that can generate some interesting baseball discussion. Please refrain from making personal attacks. It's the Christmas season, so lets play nice. I wish nothing but happy and safe holidays for you all.
Anyways, here is my "A" list...
A+ Matt Wieters
-Will become the greatest hitting catcher of all-time.
A+ Travis Snider
-Will remind Blue Jays fans of the peak Delgado years.
A+ David Price
-If healthy, perennial CY Young candidate.
A Dexter Fowler
-Exciting player will put up .300 30/30 seasons consistently.
A Pedro Alvarez
-Name will be synonymous with Roberto Clemente for Pirates fans.
A Justin Smoak
-Chipper/Teixeira hybrid will be the Rangers' best hitter for the next decade.
A Trevor Cahill
-Some compare him to Webb, but Cahill has better stuff, just less control.
A Michael Stanton
-Imagine Ryan Howard #s from the CF position.
A Derek Holland
-With Price in the majors, Holland is now the best southpaw in the minors.
A Jesus Montero
-The next great Yankee hitter.
A- Cameron Maybin
-Has Fowler potential, just needs to trim the Ks.
A- Tim Alderson
-WIll be the #2 man behind Lincecum. Think John Lackey.
A- Jason Heyward
-Looks like the total package. Barry Bonds? (Pirates version).
A- Lars Anderson
-A complete hitter. I am thinking Adrian Gonzalez.
A- Angel Villalona
-Be patient, I see Cecil Fielder with a .300 avg.
A- Freddie Freeman
-Big kid reminds me a lot of Justin Morneau.
A- Jarrod Parker
-Closer to Roy Oswalt than Tim Lincecum.
A- Gordon Beckham
-Ready to produce right now in the middle of White Sox lineup.
A- Yonder Alonso
-Remember Will "The Thrill" Clark? Alonso has more power.
A- Jhoulys Chacin
-The thin air wont hurt this Rockies' future ace.
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I have him at a B or B+.
Fantastic numbers, but he seems to only have a fastball right now.
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by Dewey Finn on Dec 15, 2025 6:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I declare shenanigans
hes better then Alderson
I see the future, and it is Pablo
by CB30 on Dec 15, 2025 6:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well
The only edge I give Bumgarner over Alderson is the fastball.
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by Dewey Finn on Dec 15, 2025 6:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The only...
edge I give Ryan Howard over Dmitri Young is his power.
by DrunkIrish on Dec 15, 2025 6:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Interesing perspective
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by Dewey Finn on Dec 15, 2025 6:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He rasies a vaild point tho
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by Metty5 on Dec 15, 2025 7:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
not really
I see Alderson as more of a complete pitcher than Bumgarner, who relies heavily on just his fastball. There is an endless list of one trick ponies (flamethrowers) who don’t amount to much but relievers if anything. I think Alderson’s broader arsenal will allow him to be more effective at higher levels as a starting pitcher.
If you think that applies to equating Dmitri Young and Ryan Howard, so be it.
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by Dewey Finn on Dec 15, 2025 7:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
One trick pony...
I’m not sure Bumgardner is a one trick pony. There are various reports that his secondary stuff has came along, even if they haven’t he still posted godly numbers. Just doing that with a fastball is impressive, if that is his ONLY pitch then people knew it was coming and could sit on it. It isn’t as if he is Derek Holland, a player who has came from obscurity (i’m not saying he is poor, just that he doesn’t have the same time of resume) He has a great pitching pedigree drafted high in the first round last year. You can’t discount his dominance in LoA either.
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by Metty5 on Dec 15, 2025 9:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
A lot of pitchers do very well in A ball, but not too many do as freakishly well as Bumgarner did, particularly at age 18
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by OldProspects on Dec 15, 2025 11:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think it was Grant who brought one point up..
Snark or not it does have some reasoning behind it.
If Bumgarner was doing it all with his fastball, then he was also doing it against hitters that can hit a fastball. Prospects always flame out moving up as they can’t adapt to offspeed stuff or can’t hit a curveball. So in A- you have the players who haven’t flamed out yet, but can hit a fastball pretty damn well. So you can also say that his fastball must be a damn good one.
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by WalrusMan on Dec 16, 2025 11:29 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm with the others
This is absurd.
by RedSoxFaithful on Dec 16, 2025 10:12 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
list fail!
Psycho killer, qu'est-ce que c'est?
by shikantaza on Dec 16, 2025 9:46 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
very good list
This are all best possible outcomes right? Not what you are reasonably projecting.
The one I really liked was the Heyward one. I’ve never thought of it before, but I really like that comparison. Not sure about Fowler and Holland and Maybin. I’d rather Rasmus or Bumgardener.
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by Metty5 on Dec 15, 2025 6:06 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
RE: Fowler
If he fills out his 6’4" frame and with the assistance of the thin air in Colorado, 30 HRs is possible.
Perhaps expecting 20-25 HRs is more reasonable.
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by Dewey Finn on Dec 15, 2025 6:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Totally Agree
I see some 25/40 seasons with a 300+ average in coors
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by cwhitman412 on Dec 15, 2025 6:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm with you
30 is too high, it would take an exceptional year from him, not the norm in the post humidor era.
by Rox Girl on Dec 15, 2025 10:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Villalona?
No way. Not after this year.
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by Pablo Zevallos on Dec 15, 2025 6:10 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Other wise great list though
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by Pablo Zevallos on Dec 15, 2025 6:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I hear ya
I kinda assumed that Villalona would cause some controversy.
After watching progress over the season and see him do it at such a young age, my gut tells me he is gonna be a special hitter.
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by Dewey Finn on Dec 15, 2025 6:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
interesting to me that you have villalona and alderson up there but not bumgarner or posey. the latter pair are the best Giants prospects, IMO.
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by Smoke on the Water on Dec 15, 2025 6:14 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Fair enough
I’m sure many would agree with you.
Personally, I think of Jake McGee when I see Madison Bumgarner. Lefties with big fastballs, but thats it.
As for Posey, I think he will be a solid hitter (.280-.290, 10-15 HRs), but nothing spectacular.
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by Dewey Finn on Dec 15, 2025 6:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
bumgarner does have a breaking pitch and a changeup that he is developing— they may not be dominant pitches as yet, but they are there, and let’s not forget he’s only one year removed from playing high school ball, so those may come with time. I would also add that if he really only has a fastball right now, to me that makes his performance this year in A-ball all the more impressive. It seems to me that the hitters he was facing at that stage were probably all there because they could hit a fastball, but not more advanced because they maybe didn’t have the plate discipline or weren’t ready for more breaking stuff. If you’re throwing fastballs past mostly fastball hitters for strikes, that’s pretty damn awesome, IMO. kind of a roundabout, loopy argument, but I see the fact that Bumgarner’s secondary pitches are still developing as giving him an even more impressive ceiling, rather than an indication that he’s destined for mediocrity.
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by Smoke on the Water on Dec 15, 2025 9:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh..
Didn’t read down here. Does it still count that my iea was first since it was higher up on the page?
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by WalrusMan on Dec 16, 2025 11:30 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Have a looksie
http://www.baseball-intellect.com/Articles/san-francisco-giants-1-5.html
Imma guess this guy knows more than you about the development of MadBum’s breaking balls. It’s a bit unfair to say he has absolutely nothing besides a fastball, which has been established in many other threads.
Anywho, I disagree with some of your comps for the players. I’d say calling Matt Weiters the best hitting catcher OF ALL TIME is a bit of a stretch. Is David Price the next Sandy Koufax too? Speaking of him, he has several more likely perennial Cy Young winners in his own division. Maybe he’ll eventually get a few, but the AL has some pretty stiff competition. Travis Snider wont hit like Carlos Delgado. They’re totally different players. Maybe like Matt Holliday, but he seems to be a much better contact hitter than Delgado with less power. And as for AnVil, he’ll make his money off of his power, not his contact abilities. He probably won’t ever hit .300.
by boonitez on Dec 15, 2025 11:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Definitely like Fowler over Snider
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by tyd3311 on Dec 15, 2025 6:23 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
IMO
Both are gonna be great young players. Fowler should be an exciting mainstay atop the Rockies lineup for a long time and Snider will be driving runners home in bunches from the cleanup spot.
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by Dewey Finn on Dec 15, 2025 6:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ranking Criteria?
I don’t give out any A+’s in my rankings, so whats your personal criteria. What does an A mean to you?
That being said I disagree on:
Gordon Beckham - I just don’t see it. Everyone seems to love him, but I think he’s going to fail out. I don’t like his swing enough.
Villalona/Alderson over Posey/Bumgarner - Villalona is just a no. Alderson I can say arguably may be better than Posey, but definitely not Bumgarner IMHO. Either both, or neither.
Montero - He’s arguably an A-, but he’s not that good, especially if forced to move out from Catcher
Main Omissions:
Mike Moustakas - I’m assuming you have him in whatever your next tier is, but I don’t see how he’s not in your A range.
by thudean on Dec 15, 2025 6:25 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Hmm
I guess my criteria would be:
A+ = Likely to become a Superstar
A = Likely to become a Star
A = Potential to be Star
-Moustakas will be on the next list. I currently have him at a B+.
-Montero’s move to 1B/DH is very likely, but in terms of hitting ability, I see a BIG impact bat (.300+, 35-40 HR).
-Beckham should produce excellent power numbers from a SS position (.280-.290, 25-30 HRs).
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by Dewey Finn on Dec 15, 2025 6:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry
the 3rd A should read A-
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by Dewey Finn on Dec 15, 2025 6:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sorry, ranking Tim Alderson over Brett Anderson is rank idiocy
There literally is not a single aspect of pitching at which Alderson is superior. Velocity? Pitches? Numbers? Control? He’s got squadoosh in that head to head matchup.
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by PaulThomas on Dec 15, 2025 7:14 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Nah
It’s like comparing John Lackey (Tim Alderson) to Scott Olsen (Brett Anderson).
Brett Anderson is overrated in my opinion.
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by Dewey Finn on Dec 15, 2025 7:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
-1
That’s a pretty useless way to evaluate any two players who are not actually John Lackey and Scott Olsen.
by jibs on Dec 15, 2025 7:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I've seen a lot of retarded comparisons in my time
but that one has to be up there. Anderson walks half as many batters as Olsen and gets 20% more groundballs.
Oh, and he isn’t a criminal, clubhouse cancer jackass.
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by PaulThomas on Dec 15, 2025 9:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Why the hostility?
Is being rude the only way you attempt to get a point across?
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by Dewey Finn on Dec 15, 2025 9:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think he was calling Olsen a jackass
by boonitez on Dec 15, 2025 11:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Correct
His Wikipedia page is 50% criminal record…
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by PaulThomas on Dec 16, 2025 2:12 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
but he does make for some funny dugouts
http://dugout.progressiveboink.com/archive/b100.html
by boonitez on Dec 16, 2025 2:17 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
So what?
Ty Cobb and Pete Rose were both huge assholes, what’s your point?
by slurve on Dec 17, 2025 11:24 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
All things being equal, being a smart, likable, good-makeup guy like Anderson
is better than being a moronic, bad-makeup jerk like Olsen.
All things are not, of course, equal… Anderson blows Olsen out of the water in every category except strikeouts…
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by PaulThomas on Dec 17, 2025 12:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No he doesn't.
Walks, yeah. Everything else not so much. H/9 HR/9 and most other numbers I saw looked quite similar.
by slurve on Dec 17, 2025 3:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ground ball rate...
Olsen’s HR/9 looks similar to Anderson’s because Anderson played most of the season in Stockton and Olsen played most of the season in Miami… H/9 is just an utterly worthless stat in all respects.
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by PaulThomas on Dec 17, 2025 7:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think he was referring to the "I've seen a lot of retarded comparisons in my time but that one has to be up there" line
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by King Billy Royal on Dec 16, 2025 3:07 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
oh oops
Well I just read right over that because it actually kind of was a dumb comparison. I wouldn’t fault PT for that one…
by boonitez on Dec 16, 2025 4:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
Me, at least. PT is actually quite friendly
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by OldProspects on Dec 15, 2025 11:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Lol
I think PT’s Brett Anderson love is a little excessive (as documented in other threads), but he’s right on the ball here. That is just a terrible comparison.
Brett Anderson will have approximately -3.8 things in common with Scott Olsen when all is said and done.
Your list is very strange to me, because so many different things are just a little off. I am not sure who you’re giving bias, but almost all of your comments on the players are absurd in one way or another.
by RedSoxFaithful on Dec 16, 2025 10:20 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Anderson = Olsen?
Are you stupid? He’s got 3 plus pitches and commands all of them very well, doesnt walk anybody, gets a lot of strikeouts, and he’s a lefty to boot.
Seriously, that’s insane. I would argue for him over Holland, of course that could be the bias in me though.
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by hero66 on Dec 16, 2025 12:45 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Stupid?
I think that’s uncalled for.
I don’t expect everyone to agree with my opinions (obviously). However, why can’t we be mature and respectful of each other? I’ve been the recipient of comments such as ‘retarded’, ‘idiocy’, and now ‘stupid’. Why? Are we not all grown ups here? Some of you need to stop taking it personal.
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by Dewey Finn on Dec 16, 2025 1:22 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If you act stupid or make a stupid comment
I will call you stupid. Every time.
Comparing Brett Anderson to Scott Olsen is just that - stupid.
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by hero66 on Dec 17, 2025 12:41 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Are YOU stupid?
he’s a lefty to boot.
Both are lefties ignoramous. Comparing Olsen to Anderson is far from stupid. Olsen walked a few more, but his other rates are quite comparable and even better in many cases. Stupid is as stupid does.
by slurve on Dec 17, 2025 11:19 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree that
calling Dewey stupid is uncalled for, but just because Olsen and Anderson are both lefthanded doesn’t make it a good comparison. Anderson walked almost half as many batters as Olsen, has a comparable K rate, and gets alot of groundballs. As I said below, I don’t have GB data for Olsen in the minors, but based on his HR rate in the bigs, I’m guessing Anderson has an advantage there, and probably will in HR rate too when it’s all said and done. Olsen has the advantage in H/9 in the minors, and while I don’t have any proven data at hand, I don’t think it’s a stretch to say that FB pitchers like Olsen seems to be should have a lower hit rate than GB pitchers in the minors because the OF defense should probably be a tick or two better than INF defense.
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by gatling on Dec 17, 2025 12:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Close enough
I think people are getting too anal with comps. These 2 have a lot of similarities. Anderson probably will turn out to be better - even so, the key word is similar. No one said “exact clone” - at least I haven’t.
by slurve on Dec 17, 2025 3:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not saying you did.
The similarities they have don’t really pertain to baseball or what type of player they are though. I don’t know what pitches Olsen throws, but even if he and Anderson throw the same three pitches the results are very different. Outside of being white, 6’4" and 200+ plus pounds, and lefthanded, there aren’t any real meaningful similarities. That’s like saying that Mike Mussina and Adam Eaton are similar because they’re both white, 6’2" and 185 pounds, and righthanded. It was a bad comparison by Dewey, plain and simple.
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by gatling on Dec 17, 2025 5:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I know Olsen is also a lefty.
I was talking up Anderson more than I was trashing Olsen. Thought that was obvious.
And yes, it is stupid. Stuff-wise and control-wise, Anderson blows him out of the water.
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by hero66 on Dec 18, 2025 8:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Would please explain
why in the world you compare Brett Anderson to Scott Olsen? Outside of being LHP, I don’t see any similarity. I’m really curious to hear the explanation on this.
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by gatling on Dec 16, 2025 3:54 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well
Similar repertoire and career minor league numbers.
Size wise, they are both big white kids (6’4 and 6’5, weighing 215 lbs each).
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by Dewey Finn on Dec 16, 2025 4:37 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well
Anderson’s walk rate blows Olsen’s out of the water, almost in half. That’s going to be a big plus in Anderson’s favor once he moves up. Olsen had a lower HR rate in the minors, but I’m gonna chalk that to league factors, since it really went up once he got to the majors. I don’t know what kind of GB rates Olsen had in the minors, but he’s definitely had lower GB numbers in the bigs than Anderson has shown thus far. I’d be surprised if Anderson’s GB/FB numbers changed so drastically to put him close to what Olsen has done.
They may have similar size and they could throw the same 3 pitches, but the results are extremely different when you dig just a little bit below the surface.
I appreciate the reply, but I don’t think that explanation holds a lot of water.
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by gatling on Dec 16, 2025 5:02 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Roger Clemens was once a big white kid
By your logic, shouldn’t we compare Anderson to him?
by RedSoxFaithful on Dec 16, 2025 10:23 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Whats even more unbelievable is no Rick Porcello? How in the world is Alderson ranked over Porcello?
by Kazmir2657 on Dec 15, 2025 9:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Dont worry
He’s on the B list.
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by Dewey Finn on Dec 15, 2025 9:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ehhh... no, that's not it.
Stats are pretty comparable with an edge in K’s for Alderson - but his numbers were in Low-A. Porcello’s luck adjusted numbers are better for the most part - especially when you look at FIP and GB rates..
by slurve on Dec 17, 2025 11:32 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
it seems “stuff” is why Porcello is generally considered better than Alderson, despite their similar looking stats, age, level.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Dec 17, 2025 8:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well
I’m not as high on Porcello as some and I do like Alderson quite a bit, but I’d say beyond “stuff” the 20% advantage on groundballs helps add to his lead over Alderson.
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by gatling on Dec 17, 2025 10:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He's on the next list
I think he’ll be a solid middle of the rotation starter.
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by Dewey Finn on Dec 15, 2025 7:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Neftali Feliz?
He and Holland are neck and neck in most estimations. Feliz’s fastball makes up for the difference in polish. You got to have him at at least a B+ right?
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by bigsteve on Dec 15, 2025 7:21 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Correct
Feliz indeed will be a B+.
I was tempted to put him at A-, but I am generally concerned about pitchers who only have 1 pitch. I am exciting to see how he develops and does next year. Some bright young players in that system.
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by Dewey Finn on Dec 15, 2025 7:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Weiters?
Better than Piazza?
by demondeaconsbaseball on Dec 15, 2025 7:54 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Wouldn't be
a list without some sort of SNTS wart…
by slurve on Dec 15, 2025 9:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I am sorry
but SNTS does not apply to Weiters. This guy has been hyped since college and has excelled at EVERY level to date. Even John stated:
Matt Wieters, C, Grade A: Best prospect in baseball. Mutant cross between Mauer and Piazza.
That is UNBELIEVABLE praise!!!! If he does reach that potential then he really may become the greatest hitting catcher of all time. I am not saying he will do it, but SNTS does not apply here at all. Holland and Chacin would have been much better examples in this situation. I know you like to get a rise out of people with your comments, but it really wasn’t necessary in this situation.
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by King Billy Royal on Dec 15, 2025 9:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Whoa
Saying someone will be the best of all time is quite lofty. Yeah, he’s good - I get that. If I wanted to get a rise out of anyone I would have gone on some Paul Thomas-esque tirade calling him an idiot and a retard. Not all of the exuberance over Weiters is irrational, but some is.
by slurve on Dec 15, 2025 9:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think the point is
he could be. Of course you’re right that he almost certainly won’t be as good a hitter as Piazza, but he might be close, and he’s a much better defensive player
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by OldProspects on Dec 15, 2025 11:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
lest we forget
how good Mike Piazza was? His career OPS+ was 8 points higher than Teixiera, who has yet to decline. Creatine usage and steroid possibilities aside, best all time holds about as much water as a chestnut shell
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by Daniel Berlyn on Dec 16, 2025 5:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That's upside, dude
So many things can go wrong.
by demondeaconsbaseball on Dec 15, 2025 10:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Note
I stated “I am not saying he will do it”. My point was that Weiters and SNTS have nothing to do with each other.
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by King Billy Royal on Dec 15, 2025 10:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree
Weiters didn’t even play last year and was actually kinda underhyped (at least in my opinion, with respect to his abilities) around these parts. This is his first pro year and people now expect him to be Switch-hitting Jesus. Sounds like SNTS to me. Maybe not a textbook example, but I can see it.
by aCone419 on Dec 16, 2025 10:29 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Pretty much
my thinking as well. And after all - I did coin the phrase SNTS :-p
by slurve on Dec 16, 2025 11:00 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I can't wait to see Pedro Alvarez suffer from 'SNTS' next year!!!! LOL!!!!
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by King Billy Royal on Dec 16, 2025 2:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Alonso
I remember Will Clark, so you’re saying Alonso is like a super racist then?
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Ceiling = super racist; Floor = bald asshole
by jibs on Dec 15, 2025 8:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What'd Will Clark do?
Sorry if I missed something; he played around the same time I was born.
by boonitez on Dec 15, 2025 11:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He said something mean to Jeff Leonard,
who had been mean to him. Nobody ever proved Clark was a racist. He was a white guy from Louisiana, but that doesn’t mean he was a racist.
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by Idaho Nick on Dec 16, 2025 1:02 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
being from the South is more than enough to convict in far too many “minds”
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by nostocksjustbonds on Dec 17, 2025 8:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think it is a bad list.
I might disagree on some rankings but don’t quibble except in the case of Montero who shows no serious potential of being anything other than DH. The omission of all Indian prospects is a bit confusing. Don’t argue that Wieters is an A+ but have a tough time with Santana not being included if that is a good eval. Also think shortage of power on your list would have warranted LaPorta’s inclusion.
by sdtribefan on Dec 15, 2025 8:34 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Should have
done your C list first.
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by RangerMad on Dec 15, 2025 8:58 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Jesus Montero is the sexiest prospect in the Yankees' farm since Jeter.
by schmosterballs92 on Dec 15, 2025 11:13 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I assume he sucks on defense too then?
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by hazel on Dec 16, 2025 12:39 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Very optimistic grading
You seem to be a lot more sure of these guys being stars than is really likely. I’d say your projections for most of these players, with the exception of Wieters and Price, are the top 1% of their potential outcomes. Odds are one or two of these players will break through and fullfill these lofty projections, but most will hit stumbling blocks or injuries along the way and have to settle for just being productive major leaguers as opposed to one of the best hitters/pitchers of the decade. Of course its more boring to think that way, but more accurate.
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by The Congo Hammer on Dec 16, 2025 6:57 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
sums it up
I agree. Going with A+ ratings, I’d say Weiters deserves it. Price, maybe. Snider, no. Given the K rate, I’d say even A is a tough call for Snider. A lot of the other ratings are at least 1/2 a grade too high, to me. But at least you are going out on a limb. But the grading curve seems to be at least on average 1/2 a grade higher than John. A-s should be B+s, etc. Actually, Dewey has Cahill at A and John has him at B+. Clearly, he’s an A-. :)
by wobatus on Dec 16, 2025 12:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Fwiw
A bit optimistic, but an overall solid list.
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by mckeeno on Dec 16, 2025 2:25 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Way too optimistic
This isn’t MVP Baseball where all prospects turn into studs. You list their maximum upside and this should be noted. We(you) may well end up looking at this list in a year or two and getting a good chuckle.
I don’t disagree with the grading, the blurbs are what irk me.
by Daniel Berlyn on Dec 16, 2025 5:24 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Dewey
Holland, Beckham, and Chacin are A list guys, but Moose is a B list guy??? What was your rationale in that decision?
by MightyMoose on Dec 17, 2025 2:39 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Moose
I was tempted to put him at a A-, but decided against it. The kid has power, however, he doesn’t have any speed, and its questionable if he will hit for a high avg. I dont think a B+ ranking is insulting.
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by Dewey Finn on Dec 17, 2025 6:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
not insulting
just confusing. I don’t see Beckham hitting for a high avg. either, so i guess i’m just confused as to how you are ranking/rating them.
by MightyMoose on Dec 17, 2025 7:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
SS vs OF
Offensively, their numbers will probably be similar (25-30+ HRs) with .265-.280 avg.
However, I think Moose will end up in the OF and GBeck sticks at SS. Moose played 3B for the Burlington Bees this summer, but with the presence of Alex Gordon at 3B (who I believe will breakout in 2009), I think the Royals will move Moose to RF where they can use that cannon arm.
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by Dewey Finn on Dec 17, 2025 7:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
So.. you're not much for hyperbole, then?
-Will become the greatest hitting catcher of all-time.
-Name will be synonymous with Roberto Clemente for Pirates fans.
-Some compare him to Webb, but Cahill has better stuff, just less control.
Is this like buying a car that depreciates as soon as you drive it out of the showroom lot? Clemente, really? Putting aside everything Clemente did off the field (which is one reason why he’s a sainted figure to Pirate fans), could we see Alvarez get a minor league at bat before starting on his HOF shrine?
(If you were to compare his upside to Dave Parker in his prime, that’s still pretty good.)
by Forza Hudd on Dec 17, 2025 6:28 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
+1
but keep in mind this is Dewey’s list, and it is decent, imo. That being said, Dewey I’m not sure why you list Hosmer as a B on the basis that you want to see some at-bats, yet Alvarez passes GO without ever stepping to the plate. Kind of contradictory don’t you think!?
i’m just a little pissed as a Royals fan. haha
by MightyMoose on Dec 17, 2025 6:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I hear ya dude
I gave the upgrade to Alvarez due to his college performance (a higher level of competition than Hosmer at this point).
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by Dewey Finn on Dec 17, 2025 6:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
that's fair
but i would tend to put every Hosmer/Alvarez type at a B+ until they’ve actually seen some ab’s. Curious as to how high you are on Fowler, i see him more like Austin Jackson, what makes him standout for you?
by MightyMoose on Dec 17, 2025 7:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
RE: Fowler
Switch hitting CF with good plate discipline, good defense, excellent speed, developing power.
I like Ajax too, but I feel that Fowler has the potential to put up better numbers across the board.
IMO:
Fowler: .300+ avg, 20+ HRs, 30+ SBs, good amount of BBs
Ajax: .280-.290, 15 HRs, 15 SBs
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by Dewey Finn on Dec 17, 2025 7:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well..
I might not have been so harsh if MadBum had gotten on the ‘A’ list. ;)
But it is Dewey’s list, as you say..
by Forza Hudd on Dec 18, 2025 12:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Michael Stanton
I can just as easily imagine a guy who can’t get past AA. He’s Brian Dopirak with more strikeouts. Pass
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by WayneCampbell08 on Dec 19, 2025 11:59 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
I see how projectable he is and how huge his ceiling is, but I just can’t see grading a prospect with a 32.6% K rate in low-A ball as an “A”.
by nixa37 on Dec 19, 2025 5:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
callis AL top 10
Now that all of the American League Top 10 Prospect lists are in, could you provide us with an overall AL Top 10 list?
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Ask and ye shall receive:
1. David Price, lhp, Rays
What he showed us in the postseason was just the beginning.
2. Matt Wieters, c, Orioles
He could be Mark Teixeira—as a catcher.
3. Brett Anderson, lhp, Athletics
The best player Oakland got in the package for Dan Haren.
4. Trevor Cahill, rhp, Athletics
It will be fun to watch his friendly rivalry with Anderson.
5. Neftali Feliz, rhp, Rangers
Just one reason the Braves wish they could undo their Teixeira trade.
6. Tim Beckham, ss, Rays
Yet another multitalented star-in-the-making for Tampa Bay.
7. Eric Hosmer, 1b, Royals
He could be the best of all the special hitters K.C. has drafted recently.
8. Lars Anderson, 1b, Red Sox
Even if Boston signs Teixeira, it will find room for Anderson in 2010.
9. Travis Snider, of, Blue Jays
Of these 10 guys, he might make the biggest 2009 impact in the majors.
10. Mike Moustakas, 3b, Royals
In a few years, he and Hosmer could combine for 70 homers annually.
http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/ask-ba/2008/267360.html
by Asfan4ever723 on Dec 22, 2025 12:06 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
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