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Favorite Failed Prospects

Are there any prospects (or non-prospects at this point in their careers) that you still hold out unreasonable hope for?  Players that are past their peak age of prospect-dom, or guys that are really old for their leagues because injuries or some other factors held them back?  It could be that these players are (or have been) Rule V eligibile or now minor league free agents but maybe, just maybe, they can sign on to the right situation and salvage a career and you can proudly gloat that you never gave up on him?

Here's a few of my favorites:

Shane Komine, P, Oak - Three years ago, Komine was generally regarded as one of the organizations's top 10 prospects due to his above-average control of a varied but not overpowering arsenal.  Worries about his inabilities to dominate at higher levels and about his durability due to his size (he's 5'9") have seemed to manifest themselves.  He was injured must of the 2008 season (I don't know why) but at 27 and with plenty of AAA experience and a couple cups of coffee at the ML level, still might have a bullpen job sometime in the future.

Fabio Castro, P, Tor - Another pint-sized pitcher (5'7"), but unlike Komine could dial up his fastball to the mid-90s, Castro has bounced between the White Sox, Rangers, Phillies, and now the Blue Jays organizations (as the PTNL in the Matt Stairs trade) and yet is still only 23 years old.  His career ERA is just over 3, but he seems to be getting more work in minor league bullpens recently, where his destiny seems to be if he makes it back to the majors.

Bobby Livingston, P, FA (last with Cin) - He doesn't have an unusual physical profile, but Livingston was a favorite of mine because he was the ultimate junk-ball prospect when he was with Seattle a few years ago.  He has a fastball that's along the lines of Jamie Moyer's (ie: not good), but managed to do well due to his varied arsenal, good command, and overall know-how on how to pitch.  Worries that his stuff (or lack thereof) being too hittable at higher levels have proven true, though at 26 he could still find himself in the running for a long-relief or LOOGY role on a major league staff.

B.J. Szymanski, OF, Cin - Szymanski is a classic case study on how toolsy hitters with little to no plate discipline shouldn't have that one glaring weakness ignored.  Owning a large, athletic frame, BA had Symanski rated higher within the organization than prospects like Homer Bailey and Joey Votto three years ago, but now he's essentially a NP.  At 26 years of age and unable to post even a league average OPS in AA, his career is essentially toast.

Drew Meyer, 2B/SS, Tex - While never considered a superstar prospect, Meyer seemed to be on the fast track to be an average ML regular when he was drafted in the first round of the '02 draft.  He was considered a gamer, a player with no real outstanding tools but due to his makeup and work ethic, should garner a spot on a major league roster.  In the lower levels of the minors, Meyer showed an ability to make decent contact, flirting with .300 a couple of seasons and also showing decent plate discipline and steady defense.  However, his lack of power has been deftly exploited by AAA-pitchers and has shown an inability to adapt at higher levels.  At 27, the best he can hope for is as middle-infielder off the bench.

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what?

I barely even know who these people are, failed prospects would mean someone who was actually a prospect, these people were never anything special to begin with, look at the alex gordon and thomas diamond’s of the world, those are “failed” prospects who could turn it around

by IHateMitchMustain on Nov 28, 2025 2:51 PM EST reply reply   0 recs

Meyer was a huge reach

as a draft pick and had hype because of that. If it wasn’t for being drafted early, he’d probably never have made it past AA.

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg1 on Nov 29, 2025 10:22 PM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Naw.

The dude was a 22 year old lefty who struck out a guy per inning against AAA competition.

Not saying the guy was destined to be at the front of a rotation, but he LOOKED good before he was traded to the A’s.

by Emmett89 on Dec 1, 2025 12:32 AM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Fail

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by doublestix on Dec 1, 2025 3:38 AM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Jesus

Why did I assume everyone was talking about Dan Meyer?!?!?

D’OH!

by Emmett89 on Dec 1, 2025 3:53 PM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Hehehe

He does make for a perfect candidate on this list though….

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by doublestix on Dec 1, 2025 8:17 PM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Hmm

if the guys you mentioned still have a chance to turn it around, then they aren’t exactly failed prospects are they?

by dougdirt on Nov 28, 2025 3:13 PM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

If these prospects can “turn it around” it’s only to salvage a career that’s a shell of their peak projections. All of the above except Castro are 26/27 years of age, which is usually (arguably) believed to be a player’s peak years, but that’s generally the age where most players lose their prospect status as well. In that sense these are failed prospects because the pitchers (who all projected to be starters at their peak) will only have value in the back of a bullpen, and the hitters (if they make it) more than likely will only be bench players.

by Grudyfan on Nov 28, 2025 3:39 PM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I wasn't referring to you

But to IHMM who used examples of Alex Gordon and Thomas Diamond. While TD isn’t really in the same spot as Gordon, I think its a bit early on his part to be suggeting Alex Gordon as a ‘failed’ prospect.

The guys you listed, yeah, we can agree on them. We just had some wires crossed on who I was referring to.

by dougdirt on Nov 28, 2025 6:25 PM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

My bad

I didn’t really see that.

by Grudyfan on Nov 28, 2025 11:48 PM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

my guys all broke through last year

edwin jackson, gavin floyd, wandy rodriguez, and rob tejeda have all really broken out in a big way, in the last 12 months. i never lost faith.

i’m still waiting on ricky romero, jason botts, val majewski, josh wilson, blake hawksworth, and craig hansen, but i’ve got a feeling that botts and wilson are just flotsam, while romero and hawksworth would be lucky to get 6 starts at the major league level in any one season.

When they should be sacrifice bunting, they are buying effeminate designer jeans. When they should be fouling off pitches, they are masturbating. Always, they are masturbating.

by variablesdont on Nov 28, 2025 2:53 PM EST reply reply   0 recs

Romero

You will be waiting a long time. He stinks now, and he’ll stink in the future.

by spoondoggie on Nov 28, 2025 3:43 PM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Rob Tejeda really?

" He throws it where he wants it, his breaking ball kept getting better and better and of course God gave him that special arm. He's great." ~ Neftali Feliz on Derek Holland.

by Kinslerhomer on Nov 28, 2025 3:54 PM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Not in a big way

But he was made for the pen and he had good numbers for KC once he was put there.

Rowdy Hardy Fan Club member.

by doublestix on Nov 28, 2025 4:04 PM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Sure but "Rob"?

It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver

by WaddellCanseco on Dec 6, 2025 10:43 PM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Edwin Jackson and Gavin Floyd were lucky as hell last year

Rest assured, they’ll be back to mediocrity very soon.

Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.

by PaulThomas on Nov 28, 2025 6:57 PM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I think Floyd's regression will mean he's still an ok pitcher

Jackson’s will mean he’s a below-replacement starter.

by thejd44 on Nov 28, 2025 9:55 PM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

botts

isnt coming back from japan anytime soon lol

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Nov 30, 2025 2:27 AM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I

have an unhealthy man-crush on both Laynce Nix and Jeremy Reed.

by benzalman on Nov 28, 2025 3:03 PM EST reply reply   0 recs

+1

to Jeremy Reed. He is still my centerfielder whenever I play a baseball video game

by eaheckman10 on Nov 28, 2025 3:08 PM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

man

i thought Nix was gonna be a star after his first two years at the ML level… Really sad he hasnt reached his rediculous potential.

by blalock84 on Nov 28, 2025 8:49 PM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

that's because you listen to the rangers announcers

worst thing you can ever do to get an idea of who is good, they literally treat nix, kam loe and hamilton with the same enthusiasm

by IHateMitchMustain on Nov 29, 2025 2:23 PM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

no

i watched him in spring training and the majors, he just looked like a beast, could hit for power, was fast… i mean he looked he should be playing LB, but instead he was out there creaming the crap out of the baseball… I guess looks can be decieving, exactly like moneyball talks about…

by blalock84 on Dec 3, 2025 8:14 PM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

i'll bite

Andy Marte
Chris Burke
Wilson Betemit

My two “told you so” types from 2008 were grant balfour and, to a lesser degree, mike lincoln….two former twins farmhands who had lots of positives, but were rushed up to a bad team or were really mishandled as far as what role they should be in….both posted 100+ ERA+’s this year out of the bullpen….

Insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting different results.

by biggentleben on Nov 28, 2025 3:03 PM EST reply reply   0 recs

Andy Marte

That is my white whale.

"When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are all in confederacy against him."
-Jonathan Swift

by King Billy Royal on Nov 28, 2025 3:55 PM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

King Billy

once traded his first born for andy marte

by spoondoggie on Nov 28, 2025 4:18 PM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

in his defense...

his first born was a right handed control type, so he traded for a man at the hot corner and hoped for either a lefty or a strikeout righty next time….

Insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting different results.

by biggentleben on Nov 28, 2025 4:55 PM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Marte is sure the big bust in Cleveland

but my favorite lost hope is John Drennen. This guy was awesome when I saw him in HS and looked good for his first year+. Reports are that he is dumb as stone when it comes to taking direction and has made no progress in two+ years. I think the only reason he is in the organization is that there is a hole in A+/AA OF talent except for Weglarz.

by sdtribefan on Nov 28, 2025 6:46 PM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Balfour

Mishandled? I think he was appropriately handled in MN he wasn’t put in the 8th inning or anything as a young guy, didn’t really go long distances. They always liked him and didn’t want to lose him but he was going to accept a AAA designation.

by babaoriley7 on Dec 4, 2025 10:57 AM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Yeah Balfour

just got hurt, bad TJ and Labrum surgery at the same time is just tough.

1941 .406

by FrozenTed9 on Dec 4, 2025 1:21 PM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

never said

balfour was mishandled….i believe they did such with lincoln when he came up, as i think i saw every one of his home starts his first year….

Insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting different results.

by biggentleben on Dec 4, 2025 3:04 PM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

A few...

Jeremy Reed: Baseball Prospectus’s insane #2 overall prospect rating was never justified in any way, shape, or form, but I had some hope that Reed would develop into a guy who could hit .300/.370/.460 in his prime years while playing plus corner OF defense. Yeah, that didn’t happen.

Andy Marte. Best-case scenario now is a bounceback to league average in his late-20’s. This one’s a major bummer.

Rafael Soriano: it may seem weird to call a guy with several years of experience and a career 148 ERA+ a bust, but I don’t think I can quite convey the excitement I used to feel over the possibility of a Soriano/Felix Hernandez 1-2 punch at the front of the rotation. Soriano started all through the minors and posted great K/BB rates and maintained his wicked stuff. Injuries and a stubborn organization that actually believed a lockdown set-up man was as valuable as a potential frontline starter ruined my dreams.

Dallas McPherson: In a different vein, this guy’s failure as an Angels ’spect brought me all kinds of joy as a Mariners fan. Not one of my favorite prospects, but definitely one of my favorite failures.

by slamcactus on Nov 28, 2025 3:08 PM EST reply reply   0 recs

yeah, Marte and Botts as have been mentioned

I’ll add a couple more personal faves:

Corey Smith…. when he made contact, he could really hit the ball, plus still one of the most intimidating set of shoulders i’ve ever seen.

Botts was just a mammoth of a man as well.

Brad Nelson… I thought he was gonna be all Morneau/LaPorta, ah well… he might still hit though

by daveh33 on Nov 28, 2025 3:18 PM EST reply reply   0 recs

Nelson...

I wouldn’t call him a bust just yet.

by slamcactus on Nov 28, 2025 3:28 PM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

hmmm

i realized i hadnt checked his stats when i typed that… yr right slam, he may very well hit this year… but as far as i know there is no room for him in milwaukee at the moment… and he will be 26 in a month, so he needs to get out of AAA asap.

by daveh33 on Nov 28, 2025 3:32 PM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

My guess..

is that Nelson will be suiting up with another team before the 2009 season begins.

by slamcactus on Nov 28, 2025 3:40 PM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

haha

i posted something on DRaysbay too…. seems like a typical Rays target… this could work.

by daveh33 on Nov 28, 2025 4:23 PM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Guzman

The kid seemed to be a toolbox… I wonder if he’s got a Bossman like resurgence in him… doubt he’s got the plate discipline though.

by demondeaconsbaseball on Nov 28, 2025 3:25 PM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Naw...

He was a toolbox when he was a wiry SS. Now that he’s a hulking 1B/DH with zero defensive value, I really don’t see a resurgence. Even if it did happen, it would be more of a Carlos Pena-like resurgence than Bossman.

by slamcactus on Nov 28, 2025 3:29 PM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I can see that

The 1B/DH thing may be a little bit of a stretch… I could see him playing a passable corner OF… maybe right if he’s got a decent enough arm.

by demondeaconsbaseball on Nov 28, 2025 5:28 PM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Drew Henson

I love failed Yankee prospects.

In memory of Ulysses Simpson Grant Stoner. RIP Lil Stoner.

by tricer on Nov 28, 2025 3:25 PM EST reply reply   0 recs

And...

He just got resigned by the Lions

by cwhitman412 on Nov 28, 2025 3:38 PM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

and he played on Thanksgiving

couldn’t win the #4 qb job in minnesota, but he can be backup in detroit….yikes

Insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting different results.

by biggentleben on Nov 28, 2025 4:57 PM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

chad hutchinson

oh, i thought we were talking about failed troy aikman to tony romo bridge-gaps, chad had a nasty curveball once, he was a different cat, i wouldn’t be surprised to see him teaching a class at some northeast university, i once saw him charting pitches the day after his start in the minors with a copy of pride and prejudice on his lap, he needs to go back to law school and be an agent or something

by IHateMitchMustain on Nov 29, 2025 2:28 PM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Henson

He’s only the backup because of attrition. Jon Kitna, Dan Orlovsky, and Drew Stanton are all injured.

by SBcaptain2 on Dec 1, 2025 9:35 PM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

um

you expect him to rebound?

Insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting different results.

by biggentleben on Nov 28, 2025 4:57 PM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Yes, 2009 will be his bounce-back year. It took Roy Hobbs a couple of decades to reach his MLB potential……

by fartballs on Dec 3, 2025 5:11 PM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

C.J. Henry

is on the road to fail… but I am stil interested in him… something wrong with me? i mean, the Yanks did pick him back up, and as far as I know, he was just injured this year, correct?

by daveh33 on Nov 28, 2025 3:33 PM EST reply reply   0 recs

CJ's playing college hoops

He matriculated to Memphis and joined their team, though he’s been hurt so I’m not sure he’s played yet. Kid is one hell of an athlete. Not sure if this is the end of his baseball career, but I imagine it is.

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by lemonjello on Nov 28, 2025 3:39 PM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

He was just released

the last that I read: http://www.baseballamerica.com/blog/prospects/?p=1786#more-1786 (linked from the fanpost “Canadian Baseball League Fantasy Game”)

by Grudyfan on Nov 28, 2025 3:41 PM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Adam Pitatt

As in, I’m happy he failed since he turned out to be a low-character cheating rat fink.

by AgitationStation on Nov 28, 2025 3:56 PM EST reply reply   0 recs

wow, that guy

see, these are just great examples of guys who weren’t good, but had a good year and got an endorsement deal which made people think he must be something, leave the prospecting to the professionals and don’t buy the hype

by IHateMitchMustain on Nov 29, 2025 2:34 PM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Justin Huber

Too early to say?

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by doublestix on Nov 28, 2025 4:06 PM EST reply reply   0 recs

Calvin Pickering

Never, Never, NEVER give up

by hero66 on Nov 28, 2025 4:13 PM EST reply reply   0 recs

+1

Talk about a guy with the proverbial light-tower power…

Also, I’m a pitching-first kinda guy so…Matt Riley.

Formerly Uncle Charlie of Minor League Ball

by Yakker on Nov 28, 2025 4:27 PM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Brent Clevlen

It won’t be next year, but at some point, he could finally have a Ryan Ludwick season.

I also think lil’ Joey Thurston could be a league average 2b.

And I’d like to see Josh Phelps have a chance as a full-time 1b or DH.

by gogotabata on Nov 28, 2025 4:42 PM EST reply reply   0 recs

Eh

Clevelen has problems with the strikeout. He takes a good deal of walks, but not enough to really be a TTO kind of player. He’s definitely got a shot at some sort of career in the bigs though. He probably needs to get out of Detroit and away from that crowded OF picture though.

by demondeaconsbaseball on Nov 28, 2025 5:30 PM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Phelps

Kid broke my heart after that first half season in the majors when he crushed like 23 bombs in 260ish at bats. Thought we had ourselves the next Piazza in Toronto, without the assholeishness.

Also, Chip Cannon, just because I’m pretty sure that is the greatest name in the history of time. I would have paid any possible cost for a CANNON jersey.

Rios is the next Juan Gonzales, thats right, I said it.

by KaoticKlown on Nov 28, 2025 7:47 PM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Phelps

I thought the same thing of Phelps - his initial call-up to the bigs was just ridiculous and I too thought he’d be an offensive force for years to come in the majors. I still root for him to take at least platoon at-bats at whatever organization he happens to be in that year.

by Grudyfan on Nov 28, 2025 10:04 PM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

He's in the right place for that now

The Giants are so starved for power, he’ll probably be given every opportunity to play.

by jibs on Nov 29, 2025 1:41 PM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Kyle Sleeth

Too many injuries

by bryeic on Nov 28, 2025 4:43 PM EST reply reply   0 recs

Felix Pie

Can we throw him on the fire? I know if you bring him up, you also have to bring up Corey Patterson, but how can a fanbase be fooled TWICE by the same player?

by ILuvDaBush on Nov 28, 2025 4:56 PM EST reply reply   0 recs

You can say it's too early because of his age

But it wouldn’t be a bad prediction to say Pie’s never going to hit well enough to justify everyday playing time in the majors.

by thejd44 on Nov 28, 2025 9:57 PM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

+1

I had Hanley Ramirez buried deeper than I have Pie right now. Not to say that Pie would have ever come close to Hanley’s production, it just goes to show that not all progression/production curves are smooth parabolas. Pie still has time to right the ship.

by slurve on Nov 29, 2025 7:37 AM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Mitch Einertson

He set the Appalachian Rookie League the summer he was drafted with 24 in that small time span. However, he has been extremely inconsistent, and followed a breakthrough year as the Carolina League MVP in 2007, with just mediocre numbers in 2008. He is still pretty young, so he still has a chance - not entirely a failure as a prospect. Too bad, he is an athletic outfielder with tons of power, the Astros was considered shifting to second base. He’s still my favorite prospect, though.

by byronlhsdrmr on Nov 28, 2025 5:09 PM EST reply reply   0 recs

Don't give up on Einerston yet

His overall numbers were pretty disappointing in 2008, but if you look a little closer you’ll see that he hit .350/.420/.542/.962 in 36 games (120 AB’s) after the All-Star Break. Who knows, something may have clicked for him, and since he’s only turning 23 next year he still has time to surprise us.

by TexStros on Dec 5, 2025 12:43 AM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

He will never hit for enough power to play right, or left everyday, plus Houston has those two spots filled in Pence and Lee for the next four years.

by byronlhsdrmr on Dec 7, 2025 5:59 PM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

As a Braves Fan

We are collectively still holding out hope for George Lombard!!

I know, I know but all kidding aside, I would still like to see Kyle Davies become the top of the rotation starter he was billed to be.

by JFP on Nov 28, 2025 5:49 PM EST reply reply   0 recs

Even as a Royal

I wish all the success in the world to Kyle Davies. Bobby Cox got in his head, and after that he had no shot in Atlanta.

by eaheckman10 on Nov 29, 2025 1:48 AM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Ahem

Brad Komminsk. King of the Busts.

by aCone419 on Dec 5, 2025 2:15 PM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Joel Guzman and Wilson Betemit

Those guys are why, even as a Mets fan, Flores worries me a little. Teenage SS prospects who look like they might be Buster Douglas-sized one day can pose problems, no matter how talented they are.

by aap212 on Nov 28, 2025 5:53 PM EST reply reply   0 recs

How...

about Brian Bullington, John VanBenschoten, Sean Burnett, Chad Hermansen, J.R House, Bobby Bradely, Clint Johnson, Bobby Hill, and Sean Burroughs.

by joegonzo on Nov 28, 2025 5:53 PM EST reply reply   0 recs

sean burroughs

he’s like the only major leaguer to ever play in the LLWS, probably because good baseball players don’t play in the worst amateur league ever, but that’s the only reason people ever heard of that guy

by IHateMitchMustain on Nov 29, 2025 2:37 PM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

except you're wrong

Boog Powell
Jim Barbien
Rick Wise
Carney Lansford
Ed Vosberg
Charlie Hayes
Dwight Gooden
Derek Bell
Gary Sheffield
Jason Marquis
Jason Varitek

and that’s just the list of those who have appeared in both the little league world series and the major league world series….nowhere near the amount overall….

Insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting different results.

by biggentleben on Nov 29, 2025 3:04 PM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

also

just a short list i found in about 5 minutes of searching for former little leaguers who played in the majors:

Lloyd McClendon
Floyd Youmans
Dan Wilson
Wilson Alvarez
Dusty Baker
Cal Ripken, Jr.
Dale Murphy
Jim Palmer
Nolan Ryan
Mike Schmidt
Tom Seaver

Insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting different results.

by biggentleben on Nov 29, 2025 3:25 PM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Apparently not recently updated

Troy Tulowitzki should go on that last too.

by Rox Girl on Nov 29, 2025 3:43 PM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

quick search

so i could probably come up with a ton more….just searched two websites and came up with that list…

Insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting different results.

by biggentleben on Nov 29, 2025 4:36 PM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Didn't...

…Robin Ventura play too? These players look like only the most recognizable list. A fully comprehensive list that includes even the marginal guys to stars would be huge.

by basemonkey on Dec 7, 2025 1:36 AM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Or it could've been the .322/.381/.467 line he put up as a 20 year old in AAA

Also, you’re disrespecting the only lasting cultural legacy of Jason Marquis:

“In the 2004 World Series, Jason Varitek batted against the St. Louis Cardinals’ Jason Marquis, the first time two former Little League World Series participants have faced each other in the Major League Baseball World Series.”

by jibs on Nov 29, 2025 3:09 PM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Gary Daley

When was the last time you’ve seen a 5/32 K/BB ratio in 10 ip? From a 22 year old in rookie ball? From a third round pick? That’s just…wow.

Yadi is my hero

by Big Phil on Nov 28, 2025 5:58 PM EST reply reply   0 recs

That reminds me...

of Jason Neighborgall. I used to root for him because his career stat line was just unreal: http://minors.baseball-reference.com/players.cgi?pid=25308

I’ve never seen WHIP, BB, WP, or HBP rates even come close to that over a career. The thing is, he had two plus-plus pitches in his fastball (hit triple digits) and curve (scouts graded it a 70 or 80 when he was in college) that would’ve made him deadly if he had ANY control, but he basically started to unravel in college before retiring after just his third professional season. I guess he just became nearly-deadly for all the wrong reasons.

by Grudyfan on Nov 29, 2025 1:46 AM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

+1

Epic stat line.

by cwhitman412 on Nov 29, 2025 9:09 AM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Neighborgall Broke PECOTA

BP Link. I never get sick of talking about Neighborgall:

PECOTA can’t find anybody remotely close to Neighborgall’s numbers in its database, which covers all minor league players since 1997. When we finally do make it more and more and more tolerant, so that it brings in any ol’ rookie-ball pitcher with below-average command, it spits out nonsense: 12 innings, 3,217 walks, and negative 6,000 strikeouts. Things like that.

by seabass on Nov 29, 2025 4:12 PM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

awesomest stat line ever

Space.

It's a problem we face.

So we never go anywhere.

We just stay in one place.

by hazel on Dec 4, 2025 7:28 PM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Math or poor catching?

32 K in 10 IP? Either a couple of guys got to first on wild pitch third strikes, or somebody’s math s a little off.

by JRTwins on Nov 29, 2025 5:18 PM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

32 walks

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by doublestix on Nov 29, 2025 5:45 PM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Carlos Febles

He had one decent season…

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by goose102977 on Nov 28, 2025 6:07 PM EST reply reply   0 recs

Gigantes.....

Jesse Foppert, Kurt Ainsworth, David Aardsma, Tony Torcato, Jerome Williams, Todd Linden

by caincecum on Nov 28, 2025 6:21 PM EST reply reply   0 recs

ditto on foppert… the rest, i never had huge amounts of hope for, but the reports i read on him out of the minors made it seem like he was nearly a can’t miss. but then, i guess when you read a guy throws 98 and then comes up and can barely break 90, something’s clearly wrong— either the reports were erroneous or he got hurt, but that’s a guy who really dropped off quickly.

Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...

by Smoke on the Water on Nov 29, 2025 1:12 AM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Eddy Martinez-Esteve, Marcus Sanders, Dante Powell, J.R. Phillips, Steve Hosey, Andres Santana.

Bonds stands alone.

Proud adopted parent of future big league slugger Thomas Neal

by nostocksjustbonds on Dec 1, 2025 4:55 PM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Giuseppe Chiaramonte

The Basil Fawlty Moderating Strategy:
"We could run a nice blog here if we didn't have all these members getting in the way."

by WalrusMan on Dec 5, 2025 1:07 PM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

A few

Wes Bankston, John Van Benschoten (I still think his best chance is to convert into an OF, a la Rick Ankiel), and just about every pitcher who’s ever graduated from Rice.

Vogt early, Vogt often.

by Brickhaus on Nov 28, 2025 6:40 PM EST reply reply   0 recs

WADE TOWNSEND

THANK GOD THE ORIOLES DIDN’T SIGN HIM.

by Orioles77 on Nov 28, 2025 7:58 PM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

agreed on van benschoten

i still am not sure why he was not drafted as an OF

"If you hit .440 with 20 bombs, you don't have to do s---. You don't have to bring a glove to practice, just hit and leave whenever you want. You can bring a 40 and smoke a cigarette and call me from the parking lot asking me what time the game is, and I'll tell you. You can even say 'F--- you, Steve!' Actually, don't say that, that wouldn't be very nice." -Steve Friend, Head Coach, Chabot College Gladiators Baseball

by flipgatey3 on Nov 29, 2025 5:15 PM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

How about Adam Lowen?

by Orioles77 on Nov 28, 2025 7:57 PM EST reply reply   0 recs

It'll be interesting to see

How his Ankiel transformation goes.

by Grudyfan on Nov 28, 2025 10:05 PM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Chris Denorfia

His career isn’t per se over, but it doesn’t look like he’s going to get past 4th outfielder.

I have to support him because he’s the only D-III athlete I’m aware of in any major sports league (I went to D-III Pomona College). I loved it when the A’s traded for him, but he’s had trouble staying on the field lately.

Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.

by PaulThomas on Nov 28, 2025 8:33 PM EST reply reply   0 recs

Denorfia

I’ve liked him for some time too and always hoped he’d break the “future 4th OF” mold, but injuries have really dampened that idea.

by Grudyfan on Nov 28, 2025 10:07 PM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

D-3

Devean George of Augsburg College in Minnesota….multiple world championships with the Lakers….in fact, his teams have had only one losing season in his 9+ years in the league….he’s only started about a full season’s worth of games during his career, but he’s been a valuable defensive player and outside shooter off the bench, often a team’s sixth man….

Insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting different results.

by biggentleben on Nov 28, 2025 10:42 PM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Shows you how well I follow the NBA

Good for him, though.

Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.

by PaulThomas on Nov 28, 2025 10:55 PM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

no thanks to him though ;)

"If you hit .440 with 20 bombs, you don't have to do s---. You don't have to bring a glove to practice, just hit and leave whenever you want. You can bring a 40 and smoke a cigarette and call me from the parking lot asking me what time the game is, and I'll tell you. You can even say 'F--- you, Steve!' Actually, don't say that, that wouldn't be very nice." -Steve Friend, Head Coach, Chabot College Gladiators Baseball

by flipgatey3 on Nov 29, 2025 5:16 PM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

huh?

what are you talking about?

Insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting different results.

by biggentleben on Nov 29, 2025 6:42 PM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

i'm saying that

the lakers probably would have won those championships without george

"If you hit .440 with 20 bombs, you don't have to do s---. You don't have to bring a glove to practice, just hit and leave whenever you want. You can bring a 40 and smoke a cigarette and call me from the parking lot asking me what time the game is, and I'll tell you. You can even say 'F--- you, Steve!' Actually, don't say that, that wouldn't be very nice." -Steve Friend, Head Coach, Chabot College Gladiators Baseball

by flipgatey3 on Nov 29, 2025 6:53 PM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

perhaps

but he was a very vital piece of that team…the team’s sixth or seventh man that came in and provided very good defense along with a solid outside shot for kobe to kick to….no, he wasn’t a 20 ppg scorer for those teams, but don’t kid yourself that he didn’t play an important part on those teams

Insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting different results.

by biggentleben on Nov 30, 2025 2:36 AM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Was...

Alcorn State a Div III school when Steve McNair played there? That’s how I seem to remember it.

by DrunkIrish on Dec 1, 2025 12:53 AM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Alcorn State is D-I

They’re in the SWAC, along with other HBCUs like Southern, Grambling, Alabama State, Jackson State.

So unless they’ve moved up, not D-III.

Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.

by PaulThomas on Dec 1, 2025 4:19 AM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

no

it was the old D-1AA, like Marshall was before as well…

Insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting different results.

by biggentleben on Dec 1, 2025 10:51 AM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

D-III

Pierre Garcon, a wide receiver playing for the Colts played at D-III Mount Union. Matt DeSalvo, whom I’m sure some of you remember being a marginal prospect a couple years ago, pitched for D-III Marietta, also the alma mater of Terry Mulholland.

by ajake57 on Nov 28, 2025 11:21 PM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

fred jackon - RB for buffalo bills

played at Division III Coe College

by Wheelhouse on Nov 29, 2025 8:22 AM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Billy Wagner

Pitched for DIII Ferrum University and running back Chris Warren played for them as well.

by tmsnow on Nov 30, 2025 8:38 AM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Phil Plantier

Plantier is my all-time favorite failed prospect. Watching him back then, you really thought he was in for a long and successful career even despite that on-the-crapper batting stance.

As for today’s players, I still hold out hope that Joel Zumaya can actually string together a couple of healthy seasons before he washes out of the league.

by ThomasG on Nov 28, 2025 9:08 PM EST reply reply   0 recs

I remember hearing

in the late 90s that Plantier was one of the first steroid guys. Dunno whether it’s true, but it’s what I heard.

by Flynn Blake on Nov 30, 2025 1:07 AM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Ntema Ndungidi

Zaire born, Canadian raised Oriole OF prospect.

We went for him based on pure athleticism alone and that was a huge mistake

Member: Coalition For The Advancement Of Canadian Baseball Players

by fischbowl on Nov 28, 2025 9:18 PM EST reply reply   0 recs

Hmm.... how about;

Matt Bush (The Short Stop version, at least).

facepalm.jpg

by Zonis on Nov 28, 2025 9:31 PM EST reply reply   0 recs

I’m still holding out hope for Bush. He’s still young enough to comeback, and his initial foray into pitching (even though it was rookie league competition) was just awesome. Let’s just hope he can stay healthy enough to make an impact at higher levels.

by Grudyfan on Nov 28, 2025 10:10 PM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

How about . . .

Reading Comprehension.

I’m hoping he makes a comeback and people stop listing random failed prospects of the past, which is not very interesting, and actually address the thread’s topic (‘failed’ former prospects who you hold out hope for), which is much, much more interesting.

Anyway, I’m still naively optimistic about old R. Comprehension’s possible future.

by gogotabata on Nov 28, 2025 9:34 PM EST reply reply   0 recs

I used the term “favorite failed prospects” both to garner attention to the post and to aptly describe the plight of previously mentioned players. Guys like Komine, Szymanski, etc. are in my opinion failed prospects because they have no chance to hit the peak they once as prospects a few years ago, but still have a chance (I hope) on salvaging some major league action. Even though these aforementioned players not mentioned at all in this kind of community that loves to elucidate on top prospects, I wanted to see who in this community still had some kind of unusual hope for the Chuck Tiffanys of yesteryear (who was mentioned in the same breath as Cole Hamels a few years ago but is now a non-prospect).

by Grudyfan on Nov 28, 2025 10:25 PM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Disregard that response

After coming home from work I (unfortunately) happened to read your response before reading much else that had been posted in the 7 hours since - I thought you were questioning my original fanpost. I’d like to think my reading comprehension needs a check-up, but I think I’ll play the ignorance card to save face.

by Grudyfan on Nov 28, 2025 11:45 PM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

R. Comprehensión

Isn’t he related to Davey and Onix Concepción?

by FlipYrWhig on Nov 28, 2025 11:57 PM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

lmao

That’s just awesome.

by Grudyfan on Nov 29, 2025 1:37 AM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

jesse foppert

I was a HUGE fan. I was still hoping last season they’d give him a callup just to let him have a major league inning as a reward for his hard work after surgery. I wonder if he’ll be with the org in 09, although even I have to admit he’s done.

Less arm, more talk. Raisingcain is a GAMER.
Adopted Giant: Henry Sosa

by raisingcain on Nov 28, 2025 9:53 PM EST reply reply   0 recs

Sergio Santos

….well, I was high on him at least…

by daveh33 on Nov 28, 2025 10:10 PM EST reply reply   0 recs

Snelling washed out due to injuries, but he did inspire one of the greatest online exchanges ever

Poster 1: How do you feel about Snelling?
Poster 2: I don’t know, I’ve never snelled.

Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.

by PaulThomas on Nov 28, 2025 10:54 PM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

i have a good brazelton story

i work out with nick debarr (durham bulls rhp) on occasion in the offseason, and he told me this gem of a story about brazelton. when they were in A-ball (can’t remember what team), brazelton i guess came in with this ridiculous fit on, like striped, plaid, everything, you name it, looking all sad (probably because he had gotten shelled the day before). debarr says “brazel baby, what’s up?” and i guess brazelton turned like nothing was the matter and said “bro, i got my lady at home, and i just bought a brand new ferrari, son. it ain’t nothing.”

just awesome stuff.

"If you hit .440 with 20 bombs, you don't have to do s---. You don't have to bring a glove to practice, just hit and leave whenever you want. You can bring a 40 and smoke a cigarette and call me from the parking lot asking me what time the game is, and I'll tell you. You can even say 'F--- you, Steve!' Actually, don't say that, that wouldn't be very nice." -Steve Friend, Head Coach, Chabot College Gladiators Baseball

by flipgatey3 on Nov 29, 2025 5:19 PM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

+1 Brazy

Funny story on Brazelton. I’d love to clothe line him …

by Rupert Pupkin on Nov 30, 2025 6:23 AM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

+1 on snelling

one of may favs

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Nov 30, 2025 2:31 AM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Some others

Hee Sop Choi, Jerome WIlliams, Jason Stokes, and Joe Borchard.

Never, Never, NEVER give up

by hero66 on Nov 28, 2025 10:46 PM EST reply reply   0 recs

Co-sign Joe Borchard

Borchard - I think he can be a .275/25 HR hitter.

Brian Stokes was impressive for the Mets this year.

by BLieve on Nov 29, 2025 10:19 PM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

As a Sox fan, I'm proud to announce...

Phil Hughes and Ian Kennedy as failed prospects! (I know, I know, they still have plenty of time left, and I actually think Hughes will become a solid pitcher; Kennedy, I’m not so sure of). What do you guess think on these two?

by prestonb1291 on Nov 28, 2025 11:18 PM EST reply reply   0 recs

I think along the same lines as you

 I think along the same lines as you I think Hughes will be a good middle-of-the-rotation starter, but I never really liked the hype that proclaimed him to be ace potential. I’ve seen a couple of his starts in the minors, and while his stuff is good, he had a potential (small sample size, I know) to keep his fastballs up in the zone. If he can stay healthy and control his fastball more, he’ll be an above average starter for a long time to come. I’ve never seen Kennedy pitch in person, but I do think his two seasons were both exaggerated in opposite directions. His first cup of coffee (1.89 ERA in 3 starts) had people thinking he’d be a frontline starter(remember Aaron Small’s ’05 year?!), but his performance last year (8.17 ERA in 10 games) has people already proclaiming him a bust. I think somewhere in the middle (back of the rotation starter, close to league average performance) is in his future due to his pedigree and past success in the minors.

by Grudyfan on Nov 28, 2025 11:39 PM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Chin-Hui Tsao

Chin-Hui Tsao — Top pitching prospect for the Rockies back in 2004… He was basically the Chris Snelling of pitching prospects in that he was totally awesome when he did play, which was basically never. He is only 26 but was apparently released by the Royals last year. I still hold out utterly irrational hope that he’ll pop up in a bullpen somewhere, but his career is probably over.

Ryan Anderson — He is out of baseball, and in fact was last heard from in culinary school. I don’t hold out any hope, though he apparently says he might give baseball another try if his arm heals. Yeah… ack.

(for anyone who doesn’t remember, he was a pitcher for the Mariners who was billed as the next Randy Johnson in the late 1990s. He had control problems but pretty much pwninated minor leaguers up through AAA before he missed 4 whole seasons with arm injuries)

"Amare respects [Shaq] so much and needs him physically." -Steve Kerr

by delomir on Nov 28, 2025 11:47 PM EST reply reply   0 recs

Agreed on Ryan Anderson

And someone mentioned Kyle Sleeth up the page, I liked him, too.

As an aside, I would’ve said Josh Hamilton if this topic had been up two years ago. I remember ALWAYS getting excited when there was any rumor of him getting re-instated and then feeling disappointed when he would get re-suspended. Back in 2006, I was idly digging through a box of cards at the local baseball card store and came across a Josh Hamilton card. Naturally, I had to buy it, and it turned out that the next day MLB said they’d let him work out at the team facilities, his first step toward getting re-instated for real(later on in 2006, he played 15 games for NY-P Hudson Valley). I always thought that was a funny coincidence.

www.raysprospects.com
Trade for Billy Butler!

by Imperialism32 on Nov 29, 2025 1:12 AM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Tsao

seems to be hoping to play back in Taiwan.

Fellow failed Taiwanese prospect Chen Chin-Feng is completely destroying the league here, he’s been the highest VORP guy since returning as a DH and basically singlehanded put the then rather uninspiring La New Bears on the map as the dominant team in the lague. though they been having some Yankeeseque choke jobs over the last couple of seasons.

On the other hand, Taiwan’s league was just hit hard by the combination of the financial crisis and their continued plague of illegal gambling rigging the games, as two of the teams just collapsed recently (leaving the league with only 4 teams now.)

by RollingWave on Dec 1, 2025 11:02 PM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

cheng-feng chen

was a good pospect for a while with the dodgers

when did he go back?

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

"If I go to this "party", I will give "save us" a piece of my knuckle sandwich…" -- miles

by knockoutking on Dec 4, 2025 1:07 AM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

after

2005, he’s been amoung the leagues’ best player in the last 3 season. his OPS is 1.24, his lowest season was 1.04.

he hasn’t been too healthy though. but has hit the cover off the ball whenever he’s been around, he was 3rd in the league in HR this year dispite missing nearly 1/3 of the season.

funny enough, the best overall positional player in that stretch might be ex-Jays prospect Tilson Brito, (since Chen’s restricted to DH mostly, while Brito’s been a 3B playing almost every game) Brito had like 0 power in the minors , but for some reason he’s showing significant pop in Taiwan.

by RollingWave on Dec 5, 2025 11:57 AM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

where do you get your stats?

online?
any good websites?

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Dec 7, 2025 3:09 PM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

in English?

that’s tough, I get it from www.cpbl.com.tw …which is the site of the league in Taiwan , which is obivously in Chinese.

for advance stats it’s mostly on BBS and stuff.

by RollingWave on Dec 9, 2025 7:25 AM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Travis Blackley, Josh Phelps, and Bucky Jacobsen

I was really hoping Bucky could become a big-time slugger, if only his knees could’ve supported him…

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by The Congo Hammer on Nov 28, 2025 11:48 PM EST reply reply   0 recs

nice list

"If you hit .440 with 20 bombs, you don't have to do s---. You don't have to bring a glove to practice, just hit and leave whenever you want. You can bring a 40 and smoke a cigarette and call me from the parking lot asking me what time the game is, and I'll tell you. You can even say 'F--- you, Steve!' Actually, don't say that, that wouldn't be very nice." -Steve Friend, Head Coach, Chabot College Gladiators Baseball

by flipgatey3 on Nov 29, 2025 5:20 PM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Was Bucky ever a legitmate prospect?

Guy had power, no doubt about that, but it wasn’t just his knees holding him back. That whole trying to hit a breaking ball thing was a bit of an obstacle.

by JonBBT on Dec 1, 2025 1:36 PM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Yes

It is MUCH too early to say that.

"When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are all in confederacy against him."
-Jonathan Swift

by King Billy Royal on Nov 29, 2025 2:13 AM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Tell that to

My fantasy team. I had to trade him for a shorter contract.

by JayWise on Nov 29, 2025 6:20 AM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

+1

It’s early but I’m glad you posted it. It deserved it.

by Rupert Pupkin on Nov 30, 2025 6:24 AM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Jason Place

Craig Hansen got me too.

Got me bad - Josh Barfield.

Andy Marte. I expected a great deal more from Rickie Weeks and Phil Hughes by this point. Luke Hochevar Im still holding high expectations for. Brandon Wood I expected to explode onto the scene.

by alskor on Nov 29, 2025 3:12 AM EST reply reply   0 recs

Matt Harrington

What a fun story line that was.

by cwhitman412 on Nov 29, 2025 9:11 AM EST reply reply   0 recs

+whatever he was looking for to sign...some big number

"If you hit .440 with 20 bombs, you don't have to do s---. You don't have to bring a glove to practice, just hit and leave whenever you want. You can bring a 40 and smoke a cigarette and call me from the parking lot asking me what time the game is, and I'll tell you. You can even say 'F--- you, Steve!' Actually, don't say that, that wouldn't be very nice." -Steve Friend, Head Coach, Chabot College Gladiators Baseball

by flipgatey3 on Nov 29, 2025 5:20 PM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Gary Scott and Oddibe McDowell

Scott - 2nd round pick for the Cubs in 1989. Punchline to many jokes in Wrigleyville.

McDowell - I loved his Olympic Topps rookie card and fun name to say.

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by goose102977 on Nov 29, 2025 9:15 AM EST reply reply   0 recs

okay guys

the poster asked for FAILED prospects who you STILL hold hope for….there’s not much hope for a bucky jacobsen, a phil plantier, an oddibe mcdowell, etc…..and someone like hughes or bailey is not truly a failure yet as their progress has simply stalled for one year or a year and a half, not truly failed….now pie is at least debatable as he’s had multiple MLB chances and never kept a job, but he’s also an excellent candidate for this post as he could still bounce back….

Insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting different results.

by biggentleben on Nov 29, 2025 10:50 AM EST reply reply   0 recs

apparently

R. Comprehension is the topper of them all as I posted this and within two hours multiple more posts bringing up guys who have no chance of resurrecting a career as they are now years out of baseball are posted…sad to think he couldn’t have a revival of fortune….

Insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting different results.

by biggentleben on Nov 29, 2025 1:16 PM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Twins have had more than a few

David McCarty: 3rd overall pick became a utility player
Dan Serafini: First round pick has one of the worst major league careers in the history of baseball
BJ Garbe: #5 overall pick never made it to AA
Adam Johnson: #2 overall pick never made a major league contribution
Matt Moses: First round pick has no major league future

"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot

by cmathewson on Nov 29, 2025 11:45 AM EST reply reply   0 recs

Don't forget

Readin G. Comprehensión. Never had a chance.

by gogotabata on Nov 29, 2025 12:47 PM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Most things that

aren’t funny to begin with never do.

by slurve on Nov 29, 2025 2:58 PM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

it's not intended to be funny

it’s a sad state on this post, which could be a great conversation topic if folks actually responded to the original post with viable examples rather than just posting random failed prospects that have no bearing on the original post at all….

Insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting different results.

by biggentleben on Nov 29, 2025 3:27 PM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

OK, Matt Moses

Should be the starting third baseman for the Twins. Not likely to get out of AA as a DH/outfielder.

"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot

by cmathewson on Nov 30, 2025 6:31 PM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Dennis Tankersley still is in AAA

I was shocked to notice at some point this year that Dennis Tankersley was with the Nats’ AAA club this year. I was pretty convinced back in 2001 that he was going to be an unstoppable force. I’m sure the chances of him contributing at the MLB level are pretty slim based on his numbers the past couple of years though.

I keep holding out hope that Merkin Valdez’s arm will stay attached long enough for him to be a solid RP arm, but I’m not sure that will happen. Same with Angel Guzman.

by jibs on Nov 29, 2025 12:26 PM EST reply reply   0 recs

woo hoo

at least one person gets the point of the post :p

Insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting different results.

by biggentleben on Nov 29, 2025 1:17 PM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

yea +1 on those guys

tankersley
peavy
eric cyr

thought they were all gonna be the next big 3 lol

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Nov 30, 2025 2:34 AM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Restovich

I thought Micheal Restovich was gonna be a monster power hitter in the majors for years. Being from Minnesota I heard about him all through high school, the minor and when he finally made his MLB debut so I always a huge fan.

Damn shame things never panned out.

by hellview on Nov 29, 2025 1:06 PM EST reply reply   0 recs

Jason Wojnar

He had it all.

by Galt on Nov 29, 2025 1:57 PM EST reply reply   0 recs

Ryan Wagner

I don’t know what, but something about him always made me believe he would put it together and be a great pen arm for some team. I think he got left off the Nats 40 - man roster or he’s a minor league free agent right now.

I am like your Dan Aykroyd and biglow would be Jane, the ignorant slut. -Chad

by thecoolest on Nov 29, 2025 6:20 PM EST reply reply   0 recs

As a Cardinal fan

Blake Hawksworth comes to mind. He had a nice bounce back year in ’06, but has been terrible at Triple-A ever since. Although he has put up good K rates the last couple years and his FIP in ’08 was over a run lower than his ERA.. He could still be decent if given another shot.

First-rounder Chris Lambert was supposed to be a front of the rotation talent but in the end was traded for a half season of Mike Maroth. He had a good 2008 at Toledo and has some hope of filling in for an injured starter in ’09.

But everyone’s favorite Anthony Reyes has to take the cake. The guy who really shined in Game 1 of the ‘06 WS and never really got it together after that, but has always had decent peripherals and there is speculation(maybe more) that his lack of success was in part due to a difference in philosophy with Dave Duncan, who gets what he wants in this organization. Maybe he’s next year’s Cliff Lee…

by mateodh on Nov 29, 2025 6:41 PM EST reply reply   0 recs

I expect Hawksworth to be with another team soon

whether through trade or release. I then expect him , Reyes, and Lambert to eventually end up as serviceable ML starters.

I just hope we have better luck with the current group of young starters in the minors than the batch that included those three previously listed.

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Nov 29, 2025 7:26 PM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Reyes

Did pitch pretty well after he got traded to the Indians for a bag of chips.

by ajake57 on Nov 29, 2025 9:41 PM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

The 1.84 ERA was misleading

He had a 15/12 K/BB ratio and a 4.19 FIP in 34 innings. I think he probably just got luckier in his handful of Cleveland starts.

by jibs on Nov 29, 2025 10:33 PM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

But...

All of his component ratios (K/BB excluded) dropped significantly in Cleveland from the time he was in St. Louis. Also, a 4.19 FIP would have been 22nd in the AL over the entire season. And from the games that I watched the contact he was inducing was much weaker (as can be noted with the 2% drop in LD, and 10 increase in GB%), because he was able to locate his pitches where he could be effecitve with them. His breaking ball was also far more effective than it had been in St. Louis, both in terms of keeping hitters off balance, and producing outs. He was walking more people and striking out fewer, as you noted, but I would be far less worried about that, due to the small sample size. Anticipating that he will at least bounce back to his career average in that department isn’t a stretch.

by ajake57 on Nov 30, 2025 12:38 AM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Carlos Hernandez

This thread got me to thinking about one of my favorite Astros prospects from a few years back. I didn’t think he would fit into this thread topic, but it was nice thinking back about him and how I thought his potential was great before he ran into some small control issues and some large injuries. On a whim I typed his name into baseball-reference.com to remind myself of what got me so excited about him and I was surprised!! He put up a darned good 6 starts last year for Vero Beach in the FSL as a 28 year old in A+ ball . . . so perhaps he fits this topic after all! I will be checking in on him again come the spring.

by mestifo on Nov 29, 2025 7:52 PM EST reply reply   0 recs

CH

Didn’t he completely shred his arm? It’s good to see that he’s working his way back, and it sounds like he could still have some value as a bullpen arm.

Formerly Uncle Charlie of Minor League Ball

by Yakker on Dec 1, 2025 5:02 PM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

fucked up his shoulder - labrum i think/

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

"If I go to this "party", I will give "save us" a piece of my knuckle sandwich…" -- miles

by knockoutking on Dec 4, 2025 1:07 AM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Injury

Partial left rotator cuff tear while diving back into 2nd base in 2001. Didn’t have surgery for it until 2003. Started rehab assignment in AAA in 2004 . . . had control and more injury issues. Took 2007 off . . . back with Vero Beach in 2008. I hope he does well . . . I got an autograph from him on a ball back in the day . . . it would be nice to have him make the majors again . . . it could come back out of the closet and be with the other MLB talent :-)

by mestifo on Dec 9, 2025 12:49 AM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Wow

I had no idea that Dee Brown was still playing until I saw this thread, thought “OMG, FAILED PROSPECTS? DEE BROWN!”, and visited this page.

He is a really, really interesting case. Do I hold out hope for him? Not really, so this is all kind of irrelevant with regards to the topic at hand.

:-)

by RedSoxFaithful on Nov 29, 2025 8:18 PM EST reply reply   0 recs

Two others

Josh Hamilton & Jason Allison

. . . oh yeah, 1 out of 2 ain’t bad.

The one constant through all the years, Ray, has been baseball. It reminds us of all that once was good, and that could be again.

by Savoy on Nov 29, 2025 8:20 PM EST reply reply   0 recs

Chris Snelling...

He just needs to strengthen that knee, and…

Man, what a waste.

by slamcactus on Nov 29, 2025 9:33 PM EST reply reply   0 recs

Does Ruben Mateo Count?

His snapping of his leg is still memory that makes me cringe when i think about it

by laxtonto on Nov 30, 2025 12:29 AM EST reply reply   0 recs

That was going to be my pick

Maybe I’ll go with Colby Lewis.

I propose a 5-year moratorium on trading any young Ranger pitchers who throw over 90 mph.

by Ajax68 on Nov 30, 2025 2:22 AM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

where is mateo-leg

he should post on here

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Nov 30, 2025 2:35 AM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

How about Matt Anderson

That kid could throw the ball about as hard as it can. Too bad he couldn’t control it or have any other pitches.

Brien Taylor too as long as we’re on former #1 picks. Talk about the worst thing that can happen if you get into a fight.

by Scrupio on Nov 30, 2025 1:30 AM EST reply reply   0 recs

neither case

works for this post….unless you believe matt anderson could make a comeback and pitch again….that’s what the post is about….guys who fell off as “prospects” but that you still hold out hope could bounce back….

Insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting different results.

by biggentleben on Nov 30, 2025 2:39 AM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Thank god

Thank god you responded to every single post that didn’t fit perfectly with the topic with the same generic post.

Rios is the next Juan Gonzales, thats right, I said it.

by KaoticKlown on Nov 30, 2025 3:36 AM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

someone needed to

so i’m glad i could step up to fill the roll

Insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting different results.

by biggentleben on Nov 30, 2025 7:33 AM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

fill the roll huh

so you’re a cook?

"If you hit .440 with 20 bombs, you don't have to do s---. You don't have to bring a glove to practice, just hit and leave whenever you want. You can bring a 40 and smoke a cigarette and call me from the parking lot asking me what time the game is, and I'll tell you. You can even say 'F--- you, Steve!' Actually, don't say that, that wouldn't be very nice." -Steve Friend, Head Coach, Chabot College Gladiators Baseball

by flipgatey3 on Dec 2, 2025 2:46 PM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

among many other things....

Insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting different results.

by biggentleben on Dec 4, 2025 3:09 PM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Apparently he has issues with tangents

I’m guessing he didn’t do well in geometry class.

Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.

by PaulThomas on Nov 30, 2025 4:17 PM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

underrated joke

surprised no one commented on this one

"If you hit .440 with 20 bombs, you don't have to do s---. You don't have to bring a glove to practice, just hit and leave whenever you want. You can bring a 40 and smoke a cigarette and call me from the parking lot asking me what time the game is, and I'll tell you. You can even say 'F--- you, Steve!' Actually, don't say that, that wouldn't be very nice." -Steve Friend, Head Coach, Chabot College Gladiators Baseball

by flipgatey3 on Dec 5, 2025 4:37 AM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I'm still holding out hope for its wider acceptance.

It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver

by WaddellCanseco on Dec 6, 2025 10:56 PM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Greg Miller

Has anyone seen him pitch the past year or two? A couple years ago people thought he was one of the top lefty pitchers in the minors, and now he’s just a head-scratcher.
http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?n=Greg%20Miller&pos=P&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=431141

The good: Large frame (6’6", 220 lbs.), still good age relative-to-league (Age 23 year in AAA), very good GB/FB rate, strikes out a batter an inning, homer rate isn’t bad (3 HR in 53+IP), throws with his left arm.

The bad: Is working solely out of bullpen, K:BB rate is less than 1, ERA hovering near 8, BAA increased while repeating league.

What do you guys think? Will his lack of control prevent him from achieving even a LOOGY spot in a big league pen? Do you think past injuries have altered his mechanics in any way? Is he just pressing too much considering his pedigree?

by Grudyfan on Nov 30, 2025 3:58 AM EST reply reply   0 recs

Brandon Wood

okay so not a failure at all but it is guys like this that bother me. They can play but they just need to be in the right situation. I would imagine that many teams are going to be inquiring about his services this offseason.

by uwbadger on Nov 30, 2025 8:46 AM EST reply reply   0 recs

same old

and i imagine the angels will continue to rebuff all offers and send him back to AAA……they seem to have no interest in playing him

by Wheelhouse on Nov 30, 2025 8:55 AM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Wood

was apparently so bad in the Dominican Winter League this year they sent him home. I’m not even kidding. If he can’t hit in the DWL, I’m not too optimistic about his chances of sticking with the Angels (or any big league club) in 2009.

by TexStros on Dec 5, 2025 12:35 AM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Rick Ankiel as a Pitcher

The Cardinals got the one good year from Ankiel(which should have led to a ROY award) but he collapsed after that.
I was looking forward to multiple Cy Young awards for Rick. The kid was absolutely sick. 92-95 mph heater, a faster version of Barry Zito’s curve and an improving changeup. And he had enough control before he melted down. He wasn’t like Daniel Cabrera.

I’d much rather have Ankiel in the rotation than in the outfield. I was extremely excited when he made it back in 2004. I really thought he was over his problems but then they came back in the spring of 2005.

I’m so glad I taped his NLDS start against the Braves. I can still watch Ricky pitch 2 dominating innings. Although I will say watching the 3rd inning blows.

by UncleBuck44 on Nov 30, 2025 10:41 AM EST reply reply   0 recs

so you still want to see him return to pitching someday?

i think that’d leave a sizable hole in the cardinals outfield now…

Insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting different results.

by biggentleben on Nov 30, 2025 11:22 AM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

ankiel

with the kind of stuff he had, and presumably still has; I don’t think it is a stretch that you’d rather have him in the rotation if he could still pitch. Swap Rasmus for Ankiel in the outfield and add Ankiel to the rotation and I think you have a better team. Who knows if Ankiel has even been on a mound in the last couple of years but if he could throw strikes again I personally would rather have a pure ace over Rick Ankiel the outfielder. Also, quit being a jackass

by uwbadger on Nov 30, 2025 12:25 PM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

not a donkey

not sure where that comment comes from…

i guess i’ve heard nothing of him even wanting to return to pitching, so i don’t know if it’s even feasible to hold out hope for….

Insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting different results.

by biggentleben on Nov 30, 2025 1:34 PM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Ankiel as pitcher over hitter anyday

Right now, there is a bigger hole in the Cards rotation than in their outfield, so it’d be a no brainer to move Rick back to pitching if he could throw strikes and if he wanted to.

As mentioned, the outfield would be Ludwick-Rasmus-Schumaker/Mather/Duncan with Jon Jay in AAA and possibly Brett Wallace heading out to LF if need be. Outfield depth is a strength for the Cardinals. That is why you’ve heard reports that Ludwick could be dealt to ATL for Yunel Escobar. Its also believed that Ankiel is on the trade market.

In terms of Ankiel’s best position, from what I’ve seen Ankiel in the big leagues, he was a better pitcher. He is a talented hitter with 35 HR potential but there is no doubt in my mind that he would have won a Cy Young.

by UncleBuck44 on Nov 30, 2025 12:59 PM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

escobar

heard nothing of that rumor….nothing from anyone i’d consider reliable, anyway, so it might be out there possibly, but i’ve not read anything like that in the sources i trust….if escobar can be the centerpiece to acquire an ace cy young pitcher, i doubt he’d be seriously moved just for ludwick….

Insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting different results.

by biggentleben on Nov 30, 2025 1:32 PM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

The talk I've heard is Kelly Johnson for Ludwick

Though I’d wager the Cards would rather have Escobar, who is cheaper and under control for two extra years.

by mraver on Nov 30, 2025 3:17 PM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

And better...

Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.

by PaulThomas on Nov 30, 2025 4:18 PM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

exactly

that’s what i’ve seen and read….

off-topic, but when did keith lockhart hand over the blackmail pictures to martin prado?! i’ve been waiting forever to see kelly get a major league job, he’s done nothing but produce very respectable numbers, and he’s quick trade fodder because the organization seems to think they’ll be fine with prado….ugh

Insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting different results.

by biggentleben on Nov 30, 2025 5:57 PM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Escobar

I’m not too sure Escobar can be the “centerpiece” to a Peavy deal. It seems a deal would have been done by now if that were true as Atlanta has been dangling him out there for awhile.

As for the Ludwick trade, it was reported awhile ago that the Braves would only trade one of their middle infielders this winter and that it could be either Escobar or Johnson in a deal to STL for Luddy or possibly Ankiel(if they’d rather have him I guess) if the Braves don’t deal either one for Peavy.
It was reported by David O’Brien(ATL writer?) and confirmed by Joe Strauss(STL writer). Either way, the Cardinals are looking to move outfielders, so moving Ankiel to the rotation would be a no brainer.

by UncleBuck44 on Dec 1, 2025 5:53 PM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

A no brainer?

moving Ankiel to the rotation would be a no brainer.

This is a guy whose last significant innings were in 2003 (five years ago) in the Southern League led to an ERA of 6.29 with nearly a walk per inning pitched. That doesn’t sound like much of a no-brainer to me, unless you mean that such a decision would be brainless. He’s done pitching. It would be much better for the Cardinals to trade him for a pitcher than to try to resurrect his pitching career.

"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot

by cmathewson on Dec 2, 2025 11:51 AM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

It helps if you actually read the context of a post before nitpicking it
it’d be a no brainer to move Rick back to pitching if he could throw strikes and if he wanted to

was the original quote, emphasis added.

Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.

by PaulThomas on Dec 2, 2025 2:11 PM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Greg Miller

Miller was Kershaw before Kershaw was. Hurt his shoulder in ‘04 at age 19; hasn’t been able to throw strikes since.

by itch on Nov 30, 2025 2:17 PM EST reply reply   0 recs

+1

Miller & Edwin Jackson were going to be the 2 aces to bring the Dodgers back to the playoffs.

Sigh….

The Dodgers won't win a playoff series until the Cool-a-Coo returns.

by mckeeno on Dec 1, 2025 2:02 PM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

The Dodger and LHP

they seem to have a knack of getting super good LHP that got hurt. Miller, Kuo, Elbert…. Kuo sort of survived as a dominant RP but one can’t help to think what he could do if he was starting consistently, he had several spot starts over the last 2-3 season that was simpl mind blowing.

Hopefully Kreshaw avoid this well trotted path…

by RollingWave on Dec 1, 2025 11:07 PM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Alex Escobar!

Get healthy, son! He can rake when healthy. Never healthy. Sad story.

Who's world is it? It's yours.

by BlackOps on Nov 30, 2025 6:48 PM EST reply reply   0 recs

good one

that guy was supposed to be a stud like ten different times

"If you hit .440 with 20 bombs, you don't have to do s---. You don't have to bring a glove to practice, just hit and leave whenever you want. You can bring a 40 and smoke a cigarette and call me from the parking lot asking me what time the game is, and I'll tell you. You can even say 'F--- you, Steve!' Actually, don't say that, that wouldn't be very nice." -Steve Friend, Head Coach, Chabot College Gladiators Baseball

by flipgatey3 on Dec 2, 2025 2:49 PM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I am also on board with Chris Snelling.

I still hope he can hold it all together and get in one or two MLB seasons with someone.

by JonBBT on Nov 30, 2025 9:04 PM EST reply reply   0 recs

Jays spects

Guillermo Quiroz - with the O’s as a backup last season with a +39 OPS…ouch.

Russ Adams - I’d say he still has a chance to catch on as a utility guy but his arm sucks. He looks like he was rushed despite some success in the minors… never really got it together in the majors.

Josh Phelps - I thought at the time we gave up on him way too early…

Allan's World of Music

Sport Chit Chat

by achengy on Dec 1, 2025 3:43 AM EST reply reply   0 recs

+1 Russ Adams

I agree that he was probably mishandled. Didn’t have the arm to be a SS, but was more than decent at 2B. Being jerked around seems to have shot his confidence. He needs to be “freed”, and in new surroundings he might still make it as a major league 2B.

I’d add Francisco Rosario to your list of (ex-)Jays prospects. Did he get hurt? I expected him to catch on in Philly.

by DrEasy on Dec 7, 2025 2:54 AM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

The Tank

Dennis Tankersley, some considered him better than Peavy at one point…

by Mike McBride on Dec 1, 2025 5:52 AM EST reply reply   0 recs

Arquimedez Pozo

followed closely by Roberto Petagine and Sherman Obando.

by AndrewTorrez on Dec 1, 2025 10:39 AM EST reply reply   0 recs

Alex Ochoa, Tony Tarrasco and Manny Alexander....

… and do I dare mention Ben McDonald!?

I've got a McPheever, and only JoJo Reyes can help me!

by Buzz Bissinger on Dec 1, 2025 11:02 AM EST reply reply   0 recs

Ochoa!

I forgot about that guy. He looked like a stud.

by JonBBT on Dec 1, 2025 1:31 PM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Ochoa (almost) had it all...

Speed, contact, a cannon for an arm… everything except being able to hit. Good choice. I would have included Big Cal Pickering on this list, but for his brief renaissance with the Royals.

But still: calling Manny Alexander a prospect is an offense against humanity!

by AndrewTorrez on Dec 1, 2025 2:48 PM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

McDonald

I wouldn’t say Ben McDonald failed. He did post a 3.91 ERA in 1291.1 career innings. He also pitched 3 seasons of 220+ innings and would have had 4 if not for the strike.

He didn’t live up to expectations but a solid middle of the rotation starter he was and he had a pretty darn good year in 1993.

by UncleBuck44 on Dec 1, 2025 6:00 PM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

McDonald

I had to assume that was a joke; Big (but fragile) Ben won 78 major league games, and, like they say, “that’s a hell of a lot more than you ever did.”

McDonald’s problem was that, in coming off of an injury-plagued 1995 (and part of ’94, too), he signed a massively incentive-laden three-year-contract with the Brewers. He pitched well in 1996 for a measly $2 million, and then again in ’97, albeit with injury issues.

You probably see where this is going. As usual, McDonald’s contract was back-loaded, with a big (for 1998) $6.3 million option year that would kick in automatically if Big Ben made at least 21 starts in 1997. So, in mid-July, with a torn rotator cuff and 20 starts under his belt, Ben shook off the medical staff and took the mound against Cleveland. He labored through six innings and lost. Ben’s 1998 option kicked in and he got his $6.3 million, but McDonald never pitched another inning in the majors.

by AndrewTorrez on Dec 1, 2025 11:23 PM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Enter...

the reading comprehension spaz brigade

by slurve on Dec 1, 2025 2:29 PM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Damn

all that competency biz!

by gogotabata on Dec 1, 2025 4:02 PM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Oh man....

Andy Sisco, Justin Jones, Luke Hagerty, Chad Blasko, Ryu, Mark Prior?, Bobby Hill, HEE SEOP CHOI!….

Holy crap I could do this all day just for the Cubs.

Then theres personal favorites I had like Clint Everts, Greg Miller, Brandon Claussen, Mark Phillips, Russ Adams…yea I could do this all day…

by SenorGato on Dec 1, 2025 8:11 PM EST reply reply   0 recs

Sisco

Whatever happened to him? In ‘05 he made the Royals looks like geniuses for plucking him out the rule V draft and seemed like he was going to be a breakout relief pitcher - good K/IP marks, good ERA (though a 1.46 WHIP with a 3.11 ERA makes me think he was a little lucky) and BAA, but his walk rate was high. After that, the wheels came off and he didn’t even pitch professional ball last year. He’s only 25 - was he injured or did he go to the indy/foreign leagues?

by Grudyfan on Dec 2, 2025 2:56 AM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Seems like only yesterday

I was defending the Royals trading Sisco for Ross Gload.

by slurve on Dec 2, 2025 7:04 AM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Colby Rasmus

Just kidding, but check out some of the Cardinal message boards. They are already starting to talk about him as if he were.

by CoolCat23 on Dec 1, 2025 9:12 PM EST reply reply   0 recs

I'm on board

with Foppert. I’m an A’s fan, but I always liked following Foppert, for whatever reason.

I still have an irrational belief he’s going to put it back together.

RagingHarden: Yeah if you get 20 starts out of me I'll be shocked. Like, I'll wreck my drawers.

by walk off bunt on Dec 1, 2025 9:46 PM EST reply reply   0 recs

agreed

"If you hit .440 with 20 bombs, you don't have to do s---. You don't have to bring a glove to practice, just hit and leave whenever you want. You can bring a 40 and smoke a cigarette and call me from the parking lot asking me what time the game is, and I'll tell you. You can even say 'F--- you, Steve!' Actually, don't say that, that wouldn't be very nice." -Steve Friend, Head Coach, Chabot College Gladiators Baseball

by flipgatey3 on Dec 2, 2025 2:51 PM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Eric Duncan

He needs to get as far away from the Yankees organization as possible. Overly aggressive in promoting him and never put him in a situation to succeed.

by Kazmir2657 on Dec 1, 2025 10:00 PM EST reply reply   0 recs

...or he was never that good.

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

"If I go to this "party", I will give "save us" a piece of my knuckle sandwich…" -- miles

by knockoutking on Dec 4, 2025 1:09 AM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

+1

He was never any good at all.

by alskor on Dec 4, 2025 3:15 AM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

If you can't beat them . . .

I’ll add Ryan Leaf and Dan McGwire to the list.

by gogotabata on Dec 1, 2025 11:39 PM EST reply reply   0 recs

How about Drew Henson

I’d say going from one of the top rated prospects in baseball and the Yankees between 1999-2003 to a backup quarterback on the Detroit Lions qualifies you as a failed prospect.

by JonBBT on Dec 2, 2025 12:58 AM EST reply reply   0 recs

*tear*

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

"If I go to this "party", I will give "save us" a piece of my knuckle sandwich…" -- miles

by knockoutking on Dec 4, 2025 1:09 AM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Floods of tears

Recall these former Ranger prospects: Jovanny Cedeno, Chris Russ, Ryan Dittfurth.

I propose a 5-year moratorium on trading any young Ranger pitchers who throw over 90 mph.

by Ajax68 on Dec 7, 2025 1:22 PM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

the worst was mateo

and you forgot colby lewis!

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Dec 7, 2025 3:09 PM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Diamond?

Or is he not a bust yet?

by demondeaconsbaseball on Dec 7, 2025 7:47 PM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

He looked good after TJ in AA Frisco

Arm is definitely not in shape at the end of the season and he loses location when he tires, but he is not a bust

by laxtonto on Dec 8, 2025 9:01 PM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Ty Griffin

I think he was drafted by the Cubs in the late 80’s. I had his Topps Superstar card.

"Never prioritize one year over the future"

by drew22675 on Dec 2, 2025 5:29 PM EST reply reply   0 recs

If we're talking about TOP prospects...

Just to name a few (top 10 guys):

Kiki Jones (Dodgers)

Roger Salkeld (Mariners)

Todd Van Poppel (A’s)…of course

Brien “Bar Room Brawler” Taylor (Yankees)

Ryan Anderson (Mariners)

Ruben Rivera (Yankees)…I was fooled by this one BIG TIME

Matt White (Devil Rays)

…and, frankly, Rickie Weeks is treading water.

by damianschaab on Dec 2, 2025 6:42 PM EST reply reply   0 recs

everyone was fooled by rivera

dont feel too bad

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

"If I go to this "party", I will give "save us" a piece of my knuckle sandwich…" -- miles

by knockoutking on Dec 4, 2025 1:09 AM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Generation K!

As a trio they’re pretty tough to beat…

by MetfanBren on Dec 3, 2025 5:51 PM EST reply reply   0 recs

As starting pitchers, yeah.

But Jason Isringhausen went on to have 7, 30+ save seasons and make 2 all star teams. Not too shabby.

by UncleBuck44 on Dec 4, 2025 12:24 PM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

paul wilson

reinvented himself and also had at least a productive career….nothing spectacular, but not shabby neither

Insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting different results.

by biggentleben on Dec 4, 2025 3:15 PM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Bill Pulsipher

was really awsome for like half a season in Taiwan a few years back.

by RollingWave on Dec 9, 2025 7:31 AM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Cubs just signed

Chad Fox - I know he’s not a prospect, but I’ll be rooting for him - he’s had 2 or 3 TJ.s I was watching the game when he blew it out last time and felt really bad for the guy…

by slurve on Dec 3, 2025 7:59 PM EST reply reply   0 recs

Sil Campusano!

Back in the mid-late 80s, Baseball America was pushing this guy as the next Roberto Clemente.

by royshowell on Dec 4, 2025 12:23 PM EST reply reply   0 recs

Ryan Ketchner.

Ryan Ketchner was Bobby Livingston in the M’s system before Bobby was, but what made him particularly intriguing to me was that he’s almost completely deaf. The M’s for some reason have had a few players like that since I’ve been following the system, one of the Luis Figueroas being another one and presently Tyson Gillies, who is only partially deaf.

I remember reading a story about Ketch in a San Bernardino paper, where he was pitching one night and saw the umpire call time while everyone behind the plate had their attention elsewhere. He turned around and realized that there were fireworks going off in the distance behind the field, and just laughed because he would have just kept on pitching if someone hadn’t pointed it out to him. I felt compelled to cheer for him after that. He put up solid control numbers at a number of levels after that, but he had a minor arm injury, elbow I think it was, and left the system for a time before coming back this past year. I thought they’d give him a chance, what with how miserable the team was, have there be two deaf major leaguers in the history of the game, but he started getting tagged at the wrong time and never got the call.

Continuing the M’s theme, I’ll throw Travis Blackley in there. I’d add Nageotte too, but to be honest, I don’t even know if he’s still in baseball. Incredible sliders, but ultimately a self-destructive approach.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/

by JY on Dec 5, 2025 12:22 AM EST reply reply   0 recs

Dallas McPherson

Maybe it was just the gaudy power numbers that got to me, but I really liked him

by mtk52983 on Dec 6, 2025 8:50 AM EST reply reply   0 recs

He'll get

his shot @ 3B in 2009… I half think he may just have a big year.

by slurve on Dec 6, 2025 6:19 PM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Yeah Cmathewson, Twins have had their fair share

Brad Thomas, C.J. Nitowski can sort of be added to Adam Johnson and Matt Moses

a non-Twin I’ll go with

Billy Owens

by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Dec 6, 2025 11:56 PM EST reply reply   0 recs

re: hmm

how about: Brien Tyler(yankees), Matt Drews(yankees), Ruben Mateo (rangers)and Tony Gwynn Jr.(Brewers)? Looks like Tony Gwynn Jr. is turning out more like his uncle than his dad.

"Fantasy, reality, science Fiction. Which is which? Who can tell?"

by feslenraster on Dec 7, 2025 3:26 PM EST reply reply   0 recs

Roberto Petagine

No one broke my heart more than Roberto Petagine. I suppose you could argue that he didn’t fail given that he was a star in Japan, but in terms of being the long-time star 1B of my APBA team, he was a disappointment. I still think he could have done something had someone given him the chance….

by mac37203 on Dec 7, 2025 4:50 PM EST reply reply   0 recs

re: Petagine/Scott McClain

are these guys really prospects to begin with? and they’re not really failed, since they weren’t really given a chance in the majors.

you could add a whole bunch of “never had a chance guys” like Stubby Clapp, Pedro Swann etc…

"Fantasy, reality, science Fiction. Which is which? Who can tell?"

by feslenraster on Dec 7, 2025 7:39 PM EST reply reply   0 recs

Stubby's best chance

Was the All-Name team, really.

"That is like saying my ‘upside’ is Brad Pitts face, with Einstein’s brain, and Ron Jeremy’s unit. It is nice to dream, but that ceiling isn’t going to happen." (King Billy Royal)

by drjayphd on Dec 8, 2025 10:07 PM EST to parent up reply reply   0 recs


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