Seattle Mariners 2011 Top 20 PRE-SEASON Prospects in Review
Seattle Mariners 2011 Top 20 PRE-SEASON Prospects in Review
I am reviewing my PRE-SEASON list of Top 20 prospects for 2011 for each organization, continuing today with the Seattle Mariners. This list was originally published January 4, 2026. We will look at the Florida Marlins on Saturday, the Los Angeles Angels on Sunday, the New York Mets on Monday, the Oakland Athletics on Tuesday, the Houston Astros on Wednesday, the Chicago White Sox on Thursday, the Los Angeles Dodgers on Friday, and the Cleveland Indians to finish things off next Saturday.
This is a review of the 2011 Pre-Season Top 20 list. IT IS NOT A NEW LIST.
The 2012 list and new grades won't be ready until the season is over and I start writing the book.
1) Michael Pineda, RHP, Grade A: 3.53 ERA, 133/43 K/BB in 130 innings for the Mariners, 97 hits. An outstanding rookie campaign.
2) Dustin Ackley, 2B, Grade A-: Hit .303/.431/.487 in 271 Triple-A at-bats. So far, .293/.360/.516 with 17 walks, 23 strikeouts in 157 major league at-bats. As with Pineda, he's been everything the Mariners could have hoped for.
3) Nick Franklin, SS, Grade B: .275/.356/.411 with 31 walks, 56 strikeouts, 13 steals in 14 attempts for High-A High Desert. 9-for-15 in Double-A until sidelined by jaw injury and food poisoning. Although I thought he would hit better at High Desert, at age 20 he still has plenty of time to develop on both offense and defense.
4) Taijuan Walker, RHP, Grade B-: 3.04 ERA with 110/38 K/BB in 92 innings for Low-A Clinton, 65 hits, 1.48 GO/AO. Excellent stuff, more polish than expected, among the elite pitching prospects in the game now. Superb K/IP, H/IP and grounder combination.
5) Mauricio Robles, LHP, Grade B-: 8.91 ERA with 23/33 K/BB in 32 innings between High-A, Double-A, and Triple-A. Season crippled by elbow problems and command collapse.
6) Alex Liddi, 3B, Grade B-: Hitting .263/.335/.506 with 25 homers, 50 walks, 141 strikeouts for Tacoma. Defense has improved, power looks good, but strikeout rate is too high for comfort.
7) Guillermo Pimentel, OF, Grade C+: Hitting .275/.321/.450 with eight homers, 11 walks, 52 strikeouts in 171 at-bats for Pulaski in the rookie-level Appalachian League. Walk rate has doubled compared to last year, still strikes out a lot, lots of power, young at age 18.
8) Johermyn Chavez, OF, Grade C+: Hitting .216/.304/.363 with 12 homers, 37 walks, 106 strikeouts in 375 at-bats for Double-A Jackson. It looks like 2010 was a High Desert illusion but he is still young enough at 22 to figure things out.
9) Kyle Seager, 3B-2B, Grade C+: .312/.381/.459 with 26 walks, 38 strikeouts in 266 at-bats for Jackson, .387/.444/.585 with 11 walks, 12 strikeouts in 106 at-bats for Tacoma, went 5-for-34 (.147) in 11 major league games. Pure hitting skills will get him more chances.
10) James Jones, OF, Grade C+: Played better after a slow start, up to .247/.347/.378 with 42 walks, 92 strikeouts, 16 steals in 296 at-bats for High Desert. Went on disabled list July 23rd, unfortunate given he was on a hot streak (.359/.446/.538 in July).
11) Dan Cortes, RHP, Grade C+: 5.35 ERA with 45/27 K/BB in 37 innings for Tacoma, 43 hits. Has walked three in three major league innings, with four hits and two runs. Has always had the stuff, command is the issue.
12) Marcus Littlewood, SS, Grade C+: Hit just .158/.236/.211 in 27 games for Low-A Clinton. .227/.333/.374 in 163 at-bats for short-season Everett, 25 walks, 54 strikeouts. Error-prone on defense. So far, not living up to expectations, but it is early at age 19.
13) Ramon Morla, 3B, Grade C+: .312/.375/.473 in 93 at-bats for Everett, .170/.196/.255 in 106 at-bats for Clinton with four walks and 28 strikeouts. Good range at third base but error-prone. At age 21, he has less slack than Littlewood.
14) Nate Tenbrink, 3B-OF, Grade C+: .218/.337/.403 with 34 walks, 60 strikeouts, 11 steals in 211 at-bats for Jackson. On DL since late June.
15) Ji-Man Choi, C-1B, Grade C+: Has been out all season with back and shoulder problems.
16) Blake Beavan, RHP, Grade C+: 4.45 ERA with 64/20 K/BB in 93 innings for Tacoma, 2.83 ERA with 17/6 K/BB in 41 innings for the Mariners, 39 hits. He's efficient but hittable, must have a good defense and a friendly park behind him.
17) Vince Catricala, 3B-1B, Grade C+: .351/.421/.574 with 33 walks, 45 strikeouts in 282 at-bats for High Desert, .354/.412/.592 in 147 at-bats for Jackson, 13 walks, 28 strikeouts. Has also stolen 13 bases. Not great at third base, but the bat looks real,
18) Esteilon Peguero, SS, Grade C+: Hitting .282/.309/.394 in the Arizona Rookie League, four walks, 19 strikeouts, 17 steals in 142 at-bats. Error prone on defense, but that's hardly critical at age 17. Needs to improve plate discipline.
19) Stephen Pryor, RHP, Grade C+: 7.67 ERA with 34/26 K/BB in 27 innings for High Desert. He was promoted to Jackson anyway and has been excellent there, 1.29 ERA with 20/5 K/BB in 14 innings, four hits. Very interesting that he struggled so badly in the Cal League but has been terrific in Double-A.
20) Josh Lueke, RHP, Grade C+: Effective in Triple-A, 2.76 ERA with 35/12 K/BB in 42 innings, 11 saves. Horrible in the majors, 18 hits and 15 runs allowed in 13 innings, with 15/8 K/BB. Arm strength remains intriguing.
Pineda and Ackley are the headliners of course, and Walker has developed rapidly into one of the top pitching prospects in the game. The rest of the list is mixed, but when you successfully graduate two impact players to the majors in one year, and both adjust well, it's a good year.
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Jose Campos
What grade would he get at this point in the season?
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by Savoy on Aug 12, 2025 12:16 PM EDT reply actions
He's a B for me, for what it's worth
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by Jeff Reese on Aug 12, 2025 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Looks a bit thin following the Ackley/Pineda promotions
But that’s to be expected I guess.
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by OremLK on Aug 12, 2025 12:19 PM EDT reply actions
Not quite as bad as it looks..
Paxton is a top 3 guy and Martinez and Chiang add some depth to the top 10.
by meloyellow15 on Aug 12, 2025 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions
And there will be Hultzen in a few days too
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by Marinerfanjake on Aug 12, 2025 12:49 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
And the PTBNL from Detroit
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by Kenneth Arthur on Aug 12, 2025 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I would guess a B or B+
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by Marinerfanjake on Aug 12, 2025 4:04 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
A- for me
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by Jeff Reese on Aug 12, 2025 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions
I guess I'm too conservative
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by Marinerfanjake on Aug 13, 2025 3:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Not much tangible difference between a B+ and an A-.
I think B+ is a fine grade until you see him against professional opponents. Stuff wise, he’s got it, but translation is the other story. If you’re more confident in his ability to get pro hitters out quickly, that would probably be the difference between the two grades.
At least that’s how I’d figure it.
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by The Typical Idiot Fan on Aug 13, 2025 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, it doesn't even include Paxton, Campos, and Hultzen.
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by Kenneth Arthur on Aug 12, 2025 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions
That's true
I’m not that high on Hultzen though. But yeah there is some depth here, so maybe “thin” wasn’t the right word. Just not as much top of the shelf talent in the absence of Pineda and Ackley IMO.
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by OremLK on Aug 12, 2025 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Pre-season compared to now, I'd say the starting pitching depth is both deeper and more talented, even with Pineda gone.
We didn’t know what we had with Walker and Paxton and Campos, and then you add in Hultzen.
The hitting is worse of course. Franklin needs a bounceback next season (which I think he is fully capable of. He’s going to drop in rankings, but extenuating circumstances are a big reason for that) and we can only hope for a breakout season or two to come from someone within like F Martinez, James Jones, Pimental.
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by Kenneth Arthur on Aug 12, 2025 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m not that high on Hultzen though.
This is blasphemous.
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by Jeff Reese on Aug 12, 2025 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions
A newt?!
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by The Typical Idiot Fan on Aug 13, 2025 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Clearly you need
to brush up on your witchcraft, TTIF.
by blackoutyears on Aug 15, 2025 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Really?
Others have already chimed in, but I disagree pretty strongly here. Paxton, Campos, Martinez, Chiang, Castillo, Hultzen, and Victor Sanchez are not included here, and Walker looks significantly better than he did pre-season. That’s a lot of talent to offset the graduations and the disappointments of Robles, Chavez, and Jones.
I know that top 100 lists aren’t everything, but the M’s had three consensus top 100 players in the system coming into 2011, with Pimentel and Jones each getting an obscure inclusion on one list. Going into 2012 they will have Hultzen and Walker as clear cut top 30-40 guys, Paxton and Franklin as easy top 100, and Campos will probably squeak onto quite a few lists as well. And then there’s Trayvon but like Ackley and Pineda he wlil probably lose his rookie eligibility.
The top isn’t quite as nice as it was, but the depth is much stronger. I could see saying it looked thin after the top 3 coming into this season, but not at this point.
by dnc on Aug 12, 2025 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Hutzen is absolutely not top 30-40 for me
Maybe I’m going against consensus there, but I would not put him in the top 50 and he was a big overdraft for the M’s in my opinion.
But yeah, like I said, “thin” wasn’t the right word. There’s depth here, but the top looks weaker.
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by OremLK on Aug 12, 2025 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Well therein lies the difference
I wasn’t thrilled with the choice (I wanted Rendon) but I’ve seen national guys with him as high as #17. I don’t like him quite that well, but I think 30-40 is very reasonable. Basically everyone agreed he was a top 6 caliber player in this draft, and everyone of those 6 should be top 50 at worst.
I don’t think you’ll see very man lists with him outside the top 50.
by dnc on Aug 12, 2025 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Honestly?
And I know this puts me in a very small minority… but I had Hultzen outside my top ten. His stuff looks like a middle rotation arm, number two at best. I think he’ll sit 90-92 as a pro with one plus and one solid offspeed offering, and plus command.
The polish gives him a high floor, and that would put him in the range you’re talking about, but I have serious concerns about his mechanics and that makes me knock his floor down a peg into somewhere in the back end of the top 100.
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by OremLK on Aug 12, 2025 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions
That basically sounds like Mike Minor with better command and a better third pitch
Which is a very, very good prospect
by nixa37 on Aug 12, 2025 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Basically
Plus-plus change, above-average fastball, above-average slider, plus command, excellent pitchability… he’s not an ace, but he’s the best bet to turn into a #2 caliber starter in this draft class.
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by Jeff Reese on Aug 12, 2025 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I would grade him as having three plus pitches.
and he commands them all. Filthy, filthy stuff.
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by alskor on Aug 13, 2025 1:15 AM EDT up reply actions
I wouldn't best against Hultzen
Fantastic competitor and plus makeup in addition to the arsenal Jeff and Al outline so well. If you had Matusz in the 30-40 range as a prospect (and most did) then I think you have to have Hultzen there too.
by blackoutyears on Aug 13, 2025 1:52 AM EDT up reply actions
That said
I’m not sure I don’t like Paxton almost as well at this point. Two nasty plus pitches, improving control and he’s overpowering Double-A hitters with fewer than 90 minor league IP under his belt? Awfully compelling…
by blackoutyears on Aug 13, 2025 1:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Paxton has to have as much helium as anybody right now
Last 3 starts: 20 IP, 28 K’s, 2 BB’s.
He’s one strikeout shy of a 4:1 K:BB ratio since moving up to Double A. K/9 is in the neighborhood of 11.76. GB numbers have dropped since the promotion, but they are still solid.
Kid’s had one heck of a first year of pro ball.
by dnc on Aug 13, 2025 2:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Again, it's the mechanics which knock him out
I can’t abide that kind of arm motion, scares the hell out of me. On pure talent he’d probably be 30-40, including my concerns about how his arm is going to hold up in the future? Somewhere after 50 but I’m not sure where.
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by OremLK on Aug 13, 2025 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Hultzen's mechanics?
I was laughing at how people who’ve dinged Purke and Jungmann the last two years pretty much ignored his, but I don’t see any major issues. He kept his elbow up pretty well in my post-season looks, and he’s extremely strong, athletic and well-conditioned. As always, “concern” about one pitcher’s mechanics over another’s are highly questionable. Until a guy starts exhibiting a trend or propensity for injury it’s better to just concentrate on stuff, and mechanics are best discussed in terms of their impact on control/command.
by blackoutyears on Aug 13, 2025 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't necessarily have a problem with dissecting mechanics...
though they shouldn’t be use to conclusively predict injury IMO… just things like wrist wrap, excessive scap loading, throwing across the body, etc… should be considered negatives - because they both prevent a pitcher from reaching his potential AND increase his chances of injury (whether from adding extra stress to the shoulder/elbow/forearm or from making the timing difficult/making it hard to repeat the delivery).
However, I have no problems with Hultzen’s mechanics. I’d make a note of the footplant/slinginess and basically it wouldn’t affect my OFP at all w/ him. He’s very, very athletic and he repeats his delivery really well. His arm action is very free and easy. A scout I was watching the game with when I saw him had zero concerns mechanically and loved the arm action - he thought Hultzen would end up sitting closer to mid 90’s eventually. I liked what I saw in person and after breaking down the video I really have no concerns. In fact, he’s one of the last guys I would worry about breaking down from this last draft (not that I pretend to be an expert at predicting injuries).
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by alskor on Aug 13, 2025 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think dinging his stock a little
Is using mechanics “conclusively”. It’s just me saying, I have enough doubt not to put him quite that high.
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by OremLK on Aug 13, 2025 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I really wasn't referring to you with that remark...
Meant the Inverted W crowd & the people who react angrily to the inverted W crowd as well…
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by alskor on Aug 13, 2025 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Well,
It’s exactly the fact that people do use mechanics ‘conclusively", or even in partial conclusion, that’s irksome. I have less of a problem with people projecting future roles based on mechanics, though even that is overplayed, than with the injury prediction crowd (not Orem btw).
I just happen to think that Hultzen is interesting because I do see why his delivery alarms some but I agree that there’s no reason to ding him for it. But then, I’m the rare person who takes no major issue with Jungmann’s mechanics either.
by blackoutyears on Aug 15, 2025 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Is Franklin an easy top 100?
I can see lists not having him, given his fairly mediocre performance in High Desert.
by AndrewMcQ on Aug 12, 2025 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Really tough call at this point
The fact that he went down a couple days after he was promoted leaves him as a bit of a question mark. He’d probably still make my top 100, but there’s a lot of uncertainty about the glove and bat.
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by Jeff Reese on Aug 12, 2025 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Losing half a year of development hurts.
But he’s still young and talented. This will most likely be a coin flip for some folks. He will almost certainly lose a couple of dozen rank positions than he was last year.
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by The Typical Idiot Fan on Aug 13, 2025 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think Pimental is going to drop all that much either.
…especially after increasing his walk rate. I’m really high on Pimental and would expect the tools-driven guys over at Baseball America will be too.
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by jameslcrockett on Aug 13, 2025 5:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Mariners
system is quite good, and adding Hultzen, Capps, Campos, Paxton, Martinez, Morales, Chiang, and Ruffin to that list will look good. I think they got real good value with Steven Proscia, McGee and Hicks.
Phillips Castillo isn’t on this list either, and he is a very good talent.
Also watch out for Jamal Austin. Kid has good plate discipline at 20 years old, and could be a top of the order type going forward.
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by dbpjohn on Aug 12, 2025 1:06 PM EDT reply actions
oh yeah......
forgot Jordan Shipers as well.
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by dbpjohn on Aug 12, 2025 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Even if the ptbnl
isn’t Ruffin, you could substitute the other names in there. Drew Smyly, or Rob Brantly. Brantly would become the Mariners best catching prospect. And Smyly is a slightly lesser version of Hultzen.
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by dbpjohn on Aug 12, 2025 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Smyly is a slightly lesser version of Hultzen.
Hultzen is officially the Rodney Dangerfield of 2011 draftees.
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by jameslcrockett on Aug 13, 2025 5:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Grade A
Giving Pineda the grade A ranking was itself, a grade A ranking John.
I always thought that the roughly 80 percent of people who ranked Hellickson higher than Pineda (or Kyle Drabek!) just hadn’t seen Pineda. One glimpse of Pineda against Hellickson and it would be hard to see how even half would take Hellickson.
Pre-season rankings can sure be strange sometimes, understandable when you haven’t seen a guy pitch though I guess.
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by casejud on Aug 12, 2025 1:09 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I think his fastball, even if described as "plus plus" was underrated. It's just so good at times that it doesn't matter if his secondary stuff is there or not.
But long-term he needs to improve the secondaries because velocity tends to peak early on.
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by Kenneth Arthur on Aug 12, 2025 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I think pretty much everyone thought Pineda had a higher ceiling
However, Hellickson had a high ceiling, a much higher floor, and fewer question marks than Pineda. Also, I don’t think anyone predicted Pineda would do this good this quickly at the major league level. And Hellickson has put up a successful rookie campaign. I think if they were re-ranked now, Pineda would be on top because he has proven he can be a TOR starter in the majors, whereas Hellickson has looked like a number 2-3 so far. What was crazy, was that most, myself included, ranked Chapman above Pineda - too many of us thought Chapman would transition to the starting rotation.
by cookiedabookie on Aug 12, 2025 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Personally,
I would still take Hellboy over Pineda. They’re both premier, premier young talents, but Hellickson, while less shiny, is just so solid. He’s only had 4 outings where he’s given up more than 3 runs this year, and none of his starts have really been awful. Whereas Pineda, while more dominant has been prone to the occasional awful outing. Just my take. Again, they’re both awesome and should finish 1-2 in ROY.
by cgouds77 on Aug 12, 2025 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I think you're far in the minority there
Hellickson has a 4.24 FIP, 4.56 xFIP, and 1.2 WAR. Pineda’s numbers go 3.44 FIP 3.56 xFIP and 2.6 WAR. Pineda’s two years younger and has better stuff.
I’ll take inconsistent dominance over consistently okay anyday.
by dnc on Aug 12, 2025 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions
And Pineda gives us reason to dream when you consider "What if he develops a really strong change-up?"
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by Kenneth Arthur on Aug 12, 2025 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I know most people disagree with me
but I’d just rather have the guy that’s ALWAYS gonna give my team a chance to win (as cliche as that sounds. And Hellickson hasn’t just been “okay.” In half of his stars (10/20) he’s given up 2 earned runs or fewer. He’s given up three in eight of them, and in the 24 starts he’s made in his career, he’s given up 4 ERs once and 5 ERs once, never any more than five. He’s gone at least 6 innings 6 innings in 17 of his 24 starts and has never failed to make it through 5.
He pitches like a vet, and it’s easy to forget that it’s only his first full year in the league, but he’s just so special it’s hard to take anyone over him. If he’s this solid this early in his career, it’s hard to imagine what he’ll become with a more experience.
The way I see it, if I have to win one game, I’d much prefer Hellboy at this point, and that’s no knock on Pineda. If I had to choose any pitcher to win one game right now, Hellickson would be one of the ten guys I’d consider.
by cgouds77 on Aug 12, 2025 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Lincecum, Halladay, Lee, Sabathia, Verlander, Weaver, Beckett, Hamels, Kershaw, Felix, Shields, Haren, Lester
You’d pick Hellickson over all of those guys?
by AndrewMcQ on Aug 12, 2025 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Okay, maybe not 10, but definitely top 20/25
IMO, he’s up there right behind those guys as far as giving his team the best chance to win. Take David Price for example. Price is probably the better pitcher, but I’d be scared to death if he were to face a team like Boston in a one-game playoff or something, but with Hellickson on the mound, I’d know my team would have a good shot.
by cgouds77 on Aug 12, 2025 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions
So, basically, this is what you're saying:
Jeremy Hellickson is less talented than David Price and Michael Pineda, but his earned run average is better, meaning he gives his team a better chance to win and is hence a better pitcher. Seems like a pretty flawed premise.
by flashbeak on Aug 12, 2025 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Kinda
But “less talented” is more like less flashy. He may not dominate, but he never, never fails to compete. The ability to ALWAYS give your team a chance to win is a talent in it of itself.
And let’s not forget that Hellickson struck out a batter an inning at every stop in his minor league career. In all likelihood his K-rates will rise as he moves farther into his career, so his FIP and xFIP should in theory move closer to his ERA than the other way around.
by cgouds77 on Aug 12, 2025 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I do agree Hellickson will get better
Pineda will, too. Although Hellickson clearly has more room for improvement.
by dnc on Aug 12, 2025 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions
He's the Jack Morris of rookie pitchers.
He just knows how to win.
by PissedMick on Aug 13, 2025 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions
So you're telling me that based on 120 innings of pitching you've decided he's one of the top 20 pitchers in the league you'd trust in a one game playoff?
He has a 6 k/9, 3.3 bb/9, 1 hr/9 and a 33% gb ratio. What about those stats would make you even remotely want him to pitch vs. the best offense in the league? He’s been pretty bad this year and if it wasn’t for a .225 BABIP he wouldn’t even be close in the RotY voting.
by cedarA on Aug 13, 2025 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions
But it's the AL East!
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by Marinerfanjake on Aug 13, 2025 1:49 AM EDT up reply actions
All I can assume from this is that you are a giant homer
by dnc on Aug 12, 2025 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions
He can be a Hellickson Homer though...
even used a obscure nickname for him too. High school teammate, perhaps?
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by jameslcrockett on Aug 13, 2025 5:59 AM EDT up reply actions
What obscure nickname?
All I see is Hellboy, which has at least been the nickname used for him on here for awhile.
by nixa37 on Aug 13, 2025 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
4ER, 4.1ip today.
Might have to adjust your rankings now that he has failed to make 5 in a game.
by Vegasexpat on Aug 13, 2025 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Did you even look at Pineda's numbers?
He’s better than Hellickson in just about everything you listed.
13/22 starts with 2 er or fewer
18/22 starts he has gone at least 6 innings
A couple of really bad starts is about the only thing that you could give the edge to Hellickson.
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by Vegasexpat on Aug 14, 2025 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Littlewood
I believe I read recently that Littlewood may be transitioning to catcher.
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He will work out there during the offseason and they will take it from there.
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by Kenneth Arthur on Aug 12, 2025 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions
He certainly
hits like a back-up catcher. Might as well use the arm.
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by dbpjohn on Aug 12, 2025 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions
They are trying to salvage some value out of him.
He’s been very disappointing. I don’t think it will work, though. There are plenty of players who are his age that have much more catching experience and are at least his equal with the bat.
by bp42810 on Aug 12, 2025 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions
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by PissedMick on Aug 12, 2025 3:43 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Curious what kind of grade Catricala would get/what you think in general
He’s probably the best hitter in the M’s minor league system now (which is sad), but is positionless and seems to lack a lot of plus tools. His hitting eye and power are both decent, but not phenomenal. His hit tool is up for debate. His BABIP is a bit high, but from what I’ve heard he’s been punishing line drives, so maybe it’s not entirely a mirage?
by AndrewMcQ on Aug 12, 2025 4:21 PM EDT reply actions
I would give Catricala a B/B-
The BABIP seems high, but that being said? It’s only about 50 points above his average in Jackson. And Jackson is a park where doubles and triples happen a lot more than homers. He may not have a position, but the bat is real.
I believe in Vinny like I believed in Harvey Dent.
by Andrew Rosin on Aug 12, 2025 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions
"He’s probably the best hitter in the M’s minor league system now (which is sad)"
Don’t be sad… I don’t believe its true!
I mean, how are we defining “best hitter”?
Is he the best position player prospect in the system? No. Nick Franklin is still better. Ceiling-wise, its not even close with Pimental. Long-term we’re looking at Brad Miller, Phillips Castillo, Estellion Peguero. I’m not even sure he’s jumped ahead of Liddi at 3rd, and I think some would still prefer Mario Martinez.
He could be a Mariners Minor League Hitter of the Year type candidate, but he won’t be the top ranked hitter in the system.
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by Kenneth Arthur on Aug 12, 2025 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Not "best position player," just "best hitter"
I think his bat is better than Franklin’s, personally, but Franklin is clearly the better prospect as a middle infielder.
The guys in Pulaski and Arizona might have higher upside bats, but I’d still consider Catricala the best hitter in the minor league system.
by AndrewMcQ on Aug 12, 2025 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Really like the young core that this team has comming up.
King feliz is only 24 combine that with pineda ackely leddi and the guy they got this year, the futur is bright in seattle.
by Jt Malley on Aug 12, 2025 7:11 PM EDT reply actions
Three things...
1) Littlewood is now a catcher.
2) Catricala has seen time in the outfield (~1/3 of his games in Jackson).
I wonder if those would impact your thoughts much. And…
3) Why wouldn’t Pryor struggle in the California League while playing in High Desert?
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by jameslcrockett on Aug 13, 2025 5:48 AM EDT reply actions
Littlewood...
Isn’t going to start catching until next season
by Cliff Lee Is A Beast on Aug 14, 2025 5:04 AM EDT up reply actions
The future in Seattle is bright
If Ackley can sustain this kind of production heading into next season, I think he could already be deemed a top-10 second basemen in the game. Pineda has been outstanding, I couldn’t have asked for more out of him. Walker has skyrocketed up prospect lists, and is likely a top-50 prospect and top-20 pitching prospect in the game. Once Hultzen signs, he’ll be another top-50 prospect. I really like what Jack Zduriencik is doing.
by Will Lofton on Aug 13, 2025 2:35 PM EDT reply actions
I loved what he did with the Brewers
but they’ve made the playoffs once this past decade and it was because of CC and not home grown talent, prospects are nice, but Jack needs to build the major league roster or he won’t be around when his prospects get called up and even then we probably won’t make the playoffs
by Cliff Lee Is A Beast on Aug 14, 2025 5:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Coming from a person with your screenname, you'd think you'd already know that Jack is willing to make the big acquisitions in Seattle just the same as the GM in Milwuakee did.
And when that team didn’t work out, he flipped him for Smoak.
If the M’s find themselves in contention in July with Jack at the helm, I have no doubt that he’ll acquire a big name if necessary. And its even easier to do that when you have 3 or 4 top 100 pitching prospects.
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by Kenneth Arthur on Aug 15, 2025 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions

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