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Spring notes - Matt Moore, Pineda, Trout, Feliz, Bard

Matt Moore had terrible command last start and some, including myself, wondered whether he was hurt or sick. While he won't appear in a box score for another 4 or 5 days he did pitch yesterday. He played in a minor league game, I believe because Hellickson was scheduled to go the same day. I think Hellickson would have rather faced the minor league squad.

http://aeryssports.com/cowbell-clankers/rays-winding-down-the-spring-and-gearing-up-for-the-season/

Michael Pineda - There have been quite a few questions about his velocity. The good news is the work on his changeup is progressing. He did come to camp heavier than last year. Many are downplaying the velocity but I think there is reason to be concerned. Last year Pineda was down 4-5mph in the last month. And his arm slot was lowered. Normally when pitchers tire at the end of a season they lose control not velocity. And a change of arm slot often happens when a pitcher is sore or hurt, of course there are other reasons to change arm slot.

Today Pineda was 88-89 in the first inning. In the second inning there were some 88-89 but quite a few 91's as well. In the third he touched 93 once, had four 92's and a couple 91. The majority were still in the 88-89 range (it was about a 30 pitch inning). After 50 pitches his fastball velocity was probably right at 90.

He threw a decent amount of changes and they looked ok but a little hard coming in 5mph less than his fastball. He also threw some cutters at 86 and they were ok. I heard last start he had a really nice cutter going.

Mike Trout - He was ill to begin the camp and now is dealing with shoulder tendinitis so is playing at DH. There is a great article about him on ESPN. The thing I noticed was Eddie Bane gives Trout an 80 power grade. Really? I would love to hear what other scouts grade his power at. Bane also mentioned Trout would have a higher speed grade but grades above 80 just are not given out.

http://espn.go.com/mlb/spring2012/story/_/id/7731678/los-angeles-angels-thinking-big-picture-mike-trout

Neftali Feliz - He was scheduled to go three innings last appearance but could only go two. The Rangers are saying all the right things about how "normal" this is but Feliz had shoulder tightness last time they tried to stretch him out. And he had shoulder "tightness" when as a starter going only 5 innings per start. Further, it seems he had some real problems this spring having consistent command of his secondaries, specifically his curve.

Feliz did throw his bullpen and it appears his shoulder is ok. He is behind the eight ball a little, needing to build up arm strength and get command of his curve. There is a good chance he goes back to the pen.

Daniel Bard - There appears to be a struggle between Cherington and Valentine with both Iglesias and Bard. Last start Bard wouldn't throw his change and focused on results instead of improving his change. Valentine definitely wasn't happy about this. The announcers in todays game are complementing Bard and how much more he has thrown his change today, but so far it's only 4 changeups in 4 innings. Between his change and his poor command there is a good chance Bard is heading back to the pen.

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Feliz is not going back to the pen

I guess we’ll know a little more after he starts on Tuesday, but he had a good bullpen today and might still be on track to start the regular season. If they have to slow down with him he will start the season in extended working up his innings and then join the rotation. He is not going to the bullpen, it’s the DL or the rotation.

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by t ball on Mar 25, 2026 7:51 PM EDT reply actions  

that is the plan

but if he hits the DL do you think he goes back to the pen? After last season when his shoulder was tight he pushed to be back in the pen. Feliz goes along with the Texas brass but IMO his heart is still more on relieving.

Hey, he could become a very good starter. I just see a few questions that haven’t been answered and it’s getting late in the spring.

BTW - why is Texas so set on Ogando in the pen? He should be their number 2 starter after Darvish and ahead of Holland.

This team is so stacked in pitching. They even have Feldman that is looking good again.

by pedrophile on Mar 25, 2026 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

But does Ogando have repertoire to be a starter?

Pretty much a two pitch pitcher with his fastball, slider combo. I know he did incorporate a change last year, but he still doesn’t seem to have much confidence in it, as he threw it less than 5 percent of the time. I like Ogando’s stuff, and he has good command, but I think once batters got more info on him, they were able to do pretty well against him. I really think he needs to develop a third pitch before we start saying he’s the second best starter behind Darvish (and Colby Lewis BTW is vastly underrated and Derek Holland flashes some promise, so he would be the fourth best option at best IMO).

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by objesguy on Mar 25, 2026 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lewis does have a deeper repertoire but he is more of a solid #3/4 type pitcher

and I certainly wouldn’t put Holland above Ogando yet. He has that potential that in time could put him there.

BTW - Ogando has a usable change that he should throw a bit more. When comparing him with Feliz the thing to note is it’s more important to have a plus secondary pitch and a show me change than a plus change and a show me secondary pitch.

Ogando does need to improve his change though. I definitely think he could improve it and make more use of it. His splits show he could improve a little against LH hitters.

His month to month splits don’t show a distinct 1st half vs. 2nd half swoon or anything like the league adjusting. He was better in the 1st half but wrapped two good months around a bad month in the second half.

by pedrophile on Mar 26, 2026 5:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think he goes back to the pen

unless he fails at starting over a lengthy trial. The front office and Feliz have been very consistent all offseason long about this. They signed Nathan, told Feliz in November to prepare for starting. To jerk him back to the bullpen now would be very out of character for this front office. They were not at all that committed to him starting this time a year ago, different situation.

I wouldn’t be surprised, though, to see Adams move into the closer role in a couple of months if Nathan isn’t his old self.

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by t ball on Mar 25, 2026 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I do think Texas is going about it the right way

They are serious about finding out whether he can be a starter for them. I doubt one start here or there will change their mind about him.

My take is there are probably three ways they pull him from starting:
1) Injuries/Soreness. If they believe it’s in their best interest to put him back in the pen to prevent hurting him. This little bit of shoulder tightness is definitely not enough. If this problem persists or worsens though it might change their mind.

2) Inability for him to improve his secondaries. Obviously one start won’t determine this. But if after a month these pitches are not progressing then Maddux and Co. might decide to pull the plug.

3) Failure to get results. I think this is the area they can have the most patience. If the process is working: ie He is improving his secondaries and is healthy then why not be patient? I guess if he is putting up horrific numbers in April they might be worried about his Psych. I don’t see this as something to be concerned with in the short term.

by pedrophile on Mar 26, 2026 5:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

on point 1

That’s one reason I’m not convinced Ogando belongs in the rotation. His delivery looks painful compared to the ease with which Feliz throws.

Feliz had plus potential on his other pitches when in the minors, I think it’s only a matter of time before they are good enough to play off his fastball. I agree they’ll be pretty patient with the results. Watching Darvish and Feliz adjust this season is going to be really interesting (and hopefully fun).

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by t ball on Mar 26, 2026 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agree

Don’t see the logic in stretching him as a starter (and successfully doing so), only to put him back in the pen. Even if you want Neftali in the rotation, at this point wait a year until a spot opens up. Next year, I could see them moving Ogando back to the rotation.

by cookiedabookie on Mar 26, 2026 8:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Pineda

by his account is intentionally not trying to fireball it in Spring Training however it is a minor concern.

It doesn’t deserve the NY media megahype but it’s something to look at.

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by Drizzzy on Mar 26, 2026 9:43 PM EDT reply actions  

I haven't read that

I did read some statements implying “why waste your bullets” in spring or something like that. But Pineda threw 4-5 mph faster last spring.

He also stated throwing 90-91 is plenty hard as it is.

Heck, a lot of different things have been said. Throwing 4-5mph lower at this stage is not normal. And it definitely should be a major cause for concern for 2012 IMO.

by pedrophile on Mar 27, 2026 2:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

Trout 80 power?

I’ve never heard that one before. Heck, even 60 power seems somewhat ambitious at this stage, though I imagine he could grow into more power as he gets older.

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by lemonjello on Mar 26, 2026 11:37 PM EDT reply actions  


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