Community Pitching Prospect #7 Two-Way RUNOFF
by auclairkeithbc on Nov 14, 2025 8:58 PM EST
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PrintAfter 95 votes in the 3 way runoff, Danny Hultzen (34 votes) and Jameson Taillon (33 votes) have separated themselves from Dylan Bundy (28 votes), and will face off in a head to head runoff for the 7th spot on the pitching prospect list.
PITCHING LIST SO FAR:
#01 - MATT MOORE - 91.0%
#02 - JULIO TEHERAN - 57.3%
#03 - SHELBY MILLER - 66.7%
#04 - TREVOR BAUER - 40.0%
#05 - TYLER SKAGGS - 30.0%
#06 - GERRIT COLE - 24.3% (65.2% In Runoff)
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thanks for pointing it out though.
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by BenMc5 on Nov 15, 2025 4:06 PM EST up reply actions
I think next time we are forced to do a 3 way runoff
We should do the 3-2-1 method. This way is probably just as effective, but takes twice as long.
by auclairkeithbc on Nov 14, 2025 9:03 PM EST up reply actions
I can get behind that
Will probably drop off participation, but would be a good way to separate the votes.
by cookiedabookie on Nov 14, 2025 9:17 PM EST up reply actions
Ideally we'll avoid 3 way runoffs if possible in the first place
But no real choice in this one.
by auclairkeithbc on Nov 14, 2025 9:19 PM EST up reply actions
What's the deal with these lookout landing people?
Totally messing up the results coming here just for this poll. People really shouldn’t be posting fanshots on other sites to drive up votes here. Am I alone in caring about this? We want this to reflect the community consensus, right? I’m sort of indifferent on the players themselves, but it isn’t a good trend.
by auclairkeithbc on Nov 14, 2025 9:34 PM EST up reply actions
anytime you get new readers is a good thing right?
even if they come for the “wrong reasons” that’s no reason to keep them out. Instead you hope they get involved and become active in the discussion, and don’t just disappear after Hultzen gets voted in, whenever that is
by BigG'S on Nov 14, 2025 9:37 PM EST up reply actions
Are they really new readers though?
They’re only here to get Hultzen (and probably the other Mariners prospects) voted on. It completely skews the results and probably only marginally helps the sites traffic and general discussion. I don’t know about lookout landing specifically, but I know the Braves sbnation site links to minorleagueball all the time, so its not like this is the first time these people are being exposed to the content of the site, they’re simply showing up to make themselves feel better about their prospects.
by nixa37 on Nov 14, 2025 9:39 PM EST up reply actions
I don't blame the voters really
It is the people posting the fanposts. Fans of a team will usually follow a link to show support for someone if prompted to do so. And of course many people who regularly post here or at least vote throughout this process might care about one team more than others and might look a little favorably on their own team’s players, but this is pure flooding.
by auclairkeithbc on Nov 14, 2025 9:44 PM EST up reply actions
Looking at the names I don't recognizze many from LL.
by tarheels24 on Nov 14, 2025 9:54 PM EST up reply actions
I can see they are from lookout landing
Just click on the names that you’ve never seen post here. I’ve been staring at names for the last week or so, so they jump out at me. There are maybe 10 separate names (so far) from this poll and last poll in total that I didn’t recognize. When I looked at their activity, I saw lookout landing, but nothing recent anyway from minorleagueball. no votes until this one.
by auclairkeithbc on Nov 14, 2025 9:57 PM EST up reply actions
Get someone to put it up on Bucs Dugout
Maybe they’d cancel each other out.
by gabrielsyme on Nov 14, 2025 10:00 PM EST up reply actions
Ugh
I hope this stuff doesn’t become a trend. It would really stink to have to decide whose votes should count and whose shouldn’t. Maybe all these new people will stay and vote in the other polls, but no luck so far.
by auclairkeithbc on Nov 14, 2025 10:10 PM EST up reply actions
Hmm...
I guess I’ve been spending too much time at Cat Scratch Reader these days.
by tarheels24 on Nov 14, 2025 10:01 PM EST up reply actions
Its ridiculous
And this is coming from someone who voted for Hultzen
I just don’t understand the point. Does it really make them feel better to skew the results to make Hultzen “look better”? As a fan, I’d rather get an unbiased idea of where other people see my team’s prospects.
by nixa37 on Nov 14, 2025 9:37 PM EST up reply actions
I haven't checked to see if this is indeed the case, but
No, this is not going to happen. The goal of the community prospect list is not to convince everybody of the impending 115 wins a year Mariner dynasty.
I’ll try to keep an eye on things, but let it be noted: flooding the poll to skew the results is considered trolling and will be treated as such.
by mrkupe on Nov 14, 2025 11:38 PM EST up reply actions
He did take down the fanshot
Which I do appreciate.
by auclairkeithbc on Nov 14, 2025 11:41 PM EST up reply actions
It was my fault in putting it up.
It was meant to alert them to the good things going on and for more participation on Minor League Ball then to skew voting.
Next time remind me not to post something in the 5 minutes between Physics and Mechanical Engineering. ;)
by tarheels24 on Nov 15, 2025 12:52 AM EST up reply actions
Big Black and jackyz are the same person
so that should only count as one vote. Outside of that though, I don’t see any names that haven’t been at least semi-regulars around here for the last few months or longer. Obviously fanposts/fanshots on other SBN blogs isn’t what we want to see, but I don’t think the voting here is being skewed in this poll because of that.
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by gatling on Nov 15, 2025 1:14 AM EST up reply actions
Well
I’m assuming you didn’t check the 3 way poll. Doesn’t matter now anyway since the fanshot is down.
by auclairkeithbc on Nov 15, 2025 9:18 AM EST up reply actions
No, I checked that too
I saw 4 usernames I wasn’t familiar with(by that I mean ones I’ve seen around here either long term or over the last few months). All four of those were Mariners fans but all have been members of this site since at least January(in fact only one account isn’t over a year old here, two are many years old). If there were people signing up here strictly to come and vote, that’s one thing. If it’s long time readers/lurkers turning out to vote for their favorite guy…that’s going to happen from time to time. I don’t think it’s anything to be overly concerned with.
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by gatling on Nov 15, 2025 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
yeah
i assume they were already members because there is a 24 hour waiting period to post on sb nation sites i think. i’m just saying if people are DIRECTED here linked to one particular poll to support a particular player, as is exactly what happened here, and then in short period of time at least 5 people voted for the player they were directed to vote for (they were already fans of that player of course), and then they forget this poll unless directed to vote for another player, it isn’t a good thing for this consensus ranking. if it happens naturally from lurkers or whatever, that is totally fine, but this was different.
by auclairkeithbc on Nov 15, 2025 2:29 PM EST up reply actions
Or they felt discouraged from voting again
because of what was said. It really doesn’t matter either way, but this isn’t quite the issue it would be in the poll format(thank god).
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by gatling on Nov 15, 2025 2:50 PM EST up reply actions
true
this wasn’t a big deal. i just didn’t want to turn it into a race between fan-bases.
by auclairkeithbc on Nov 15, 2025 2:53 PM EST up reply actions
Hultzen is impessive
but he hasnt thrown an inning in the minor leagues….Taillon has great command, better stuff, younger, and more experienced. Ill take the #1 in 2013 than the #2-3 in 2012
by even meek on Nov 14, 2025 9:15 PM EST reply actions
Just because Taillon didn't walk many doesn't mean he has great command
by nixa37 on Nov 14, 2025 9:17 PM EST up reply actions
its a good sign though from aguy coming out of HS
by even meek on Nov 14, 2025 9:24 PM EST up reply actions
Sure, I just don't think he has great command, or as good of command as Hultzen
by nixa37 on Nov 14, 2025 9:35 PM EST up reply actions
Just because Hultzen didn't walk as many doesn't mean he has great command
weird, random arguments strangely work both ways…
by Mr. E on Nov 15, 2025 4:17 AM EST up reply actions
When did I say anything about Hultzen's walks?
I think Hultzen has better command because he’s shown good command when I watched him and had it talked about as a strength in his scouting reports at draft time.
by nixa37 on Nov 15, 2025 8:24 AM EST up reply actions
I would buy this argument if they were both playing at the same level.
Hultzen is about as sure of a thing as you can get to play for the Mariners this season, given that he’s not pitched professionally yet. A reasonable expectation would be for him to pitch to the caliber of a 4/5 starter from day 1, and probably reach his ceiling, give or take, around the 2014-15 seasons. Meanwhile, Taillon probably won’t be pitching in the majors until 2014, and likely won’t reach his peak as a true #1 for another 2 or 3 years after that, if we’re being agressive but realistic.
And just because Taillon pitched one season in the Sally doesn’t mean he’s more experienced. You could make an argument that 3 seasons in the ACC is worth more than one season in the SAL.
by ajake57 on Nov 14, 2025 10:35 PM EST up reply actions
This is a very interesting race.
Two former #2 overall picks battling it out.
On terms of pure stuff, Taillon wins. It seems like everyone raves about the curveball, and we all know how good the fastball is. On the other hand, Hultzen is no “pitchability” guy either. Hultzen’s has a more polished set of pitches.
On the command side, I think Hultzen has the edge. Reports on command at low levels are often very innaccurate. Taillon, however, posted a very impressive BB/9 at a young age.
Very close, but, to me, Hultzen wins it. He seems to have “it” and should develop into a very solid #1 pitcher.
by mr. maniac on Nov 14, 2025 9:19 PM EST reply actions
pitchability is exactly what DH is and if you completely ignore JMo’s 4.41 SO/BB ratio and superior stuff and experience level, sure, Hultzen looks pretty nice.
by Mr. E on Nov 15, 2025 4:20 AM EST up reply actions
Hultzen is not a pitchability guy
He has a fastball that he can throw in the mid 90s, and a nasty slider and change. Hultzen could pitch in the majors right now, Taillon can’t. Taillon has a much higher chance of busting than Hultzen.
by Bososx13 on Nov 15, 2025 5:46 AM EST up reply actions
As I've said, Hultzen is a rich man's Mike Minor
Much better stuff than he’s given credit for and someone I fully expect to “surprise” people with strong K rates in the minors next year.
by nixa37 on Nov 15, 2025 8:26 AM EST up reply actions
Why?
Why can’t Taillon pitch in the majors right now but Hultzen can? Why is one a sure thing and the other is not? Just because you say so?
by Mr. E on Nov 15, 2025 8:55 PM EST up reply actions
Because one has a more developed arsenal and more experience working later into games?
What exactly did Taillon do this year to show he’s anywhere near MLB ready?
by nixa37 on Nov 15, 2025 9:01 PM EST up reply actions
You asked why Hultzen could but Taillon couldn't
Hultzen has a more developed arsenal and has experience working late into games, which makes him more MLB ready. On the other hand, Taillon was handled with kid gloves this year and is clearly at a minimum a full year away. I’m not exactly sure what your point is because you aren’t making any attempt to back it up.
by nixa37 on Nov 16, 2025 10:49 AM EST up reply actions
I'm not exactly sure what JMo stands for, but I am going to guess you are referring to Taillon.
Hultzen is not a pitchability guy. Of course he does know how to pitch, but his stuff shouldn’t be catergorized with the Bruce Chens of the world.
Hultzen has good stuff across the board. Not the two pitch mix of Taillon, but a nice overall mix.
by mr. maniac on Nov 15, 2025 1:25 PM EST up reply actions
Well I don’t think he’s Bruce Chen either, there is some middle ground. Brad Radke, Jimmy Key. Someone like that is who I think of when I say pitchability.
by Mr. E on Nov 15, 2025 8:53 PM EST up reply actions
I'm biased
but I’m voting for Hultzen (biased since I am a UVA fan). That said, I’d argue that, while Taillion’s stuff is better, Hultzen’s stuff is almost … underrated, and he’s far more polished and advanced. In a year’s time, Taillion could perhaps make up that ground, but that tiny tick, and a more polished overall arsenal, gives Hultzen the nod for me for now.
by toonsterwu on Nov 15, 2025 4:12 AM EST reply actions
It's not about who is better now
but who is the better PROSPECT.
by Mr. E on Nov 15, 2025 4:23 AM EST up reply actions
well actually being good now matters
because he’s almost a guarantee to make the majors and contribute, Taillon could bust in AA. Not saying he will, but lots of prospects who are far away and look like the next babe ruth bust.
by Bososx13 on Nov 15, 2025 5:43 AM EST up reply actions
Tied at 38
Last votes walnut falcon (Hultzen) and plink b (Taillon). Perhaps we should just put them up as tied for 7th place?
by cookiedabookie on Nov 15, 2025 2:37 PM EST reply actions
nah
considering this race was a three way tie, not a two way tie, we can’t really do that. maybe under other circumstances.
by auclairkeithbc on Nov 15, 2025 2:47 PM EST up reply actions
Taillon
has jumped ahead, 40-38 right now.
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by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Nov 15, 2025 4:30 PM EST up reply actions
It has been 24 hours
Taillon wins 42-40.
by auclairkeithbc on Nov 15, 2025 8:59 PM EST reply actions
Hultzen and Bundy
Will both go back into the open poll for the next spot.
by auclairkeithbc on Nov 15, 2025 9:00 PM EST up reply actions
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