Houston Astros Organization Discussion
I am now working on the Tampa Bay Rays Top 20 Prospect List. The next team in line is the Houston Astros, followed by the Baltimore Orioles, Toronto Blue Jays, Florida Marlins, and Los Angeles Dodgers.
Use this thread to discuss the Houston Astros farm system. This organization has been considered thin for years, but there were positive developments in 2011, including the development of Jose Altuve and J.D. Martinez, plus the big trade with the Phillies. What more needs to be done? Which sleepers do you like? Etc.
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my 2 cents
The changes will come with new ownership. Wade needs to go but Bobby Heck needs to stay.
Jordan Scott had a solid year in the Appy as a 19 year old.
Luis Ordisgoitti is a pitcher to watch - has pretty good stuff.
by AppyAstros on Nov 14, 2025 8:10 AM EST reply actions
Two guys I really like who don't make any top 10 (or in some cases 20) lists
Nicholas Tropeano- Great command and offspeed stuff, should rise quickly and become a mid or back of the rotation starter.
Telvin Nash- Massive power and patience, if he can just improve his contact a tad he should become a very dangerous power hitter. Reports about his character have also been strong
by kyuss94 on Nov 14, 2025 8:51 AM EST reply actions
Sleepers from 2011 Draft Class
Brandon Meredith, Javaris Reynolds, and Wallace Gonzalez, and Chase Davidson are four guys who could make some noise next year. On the pitching end, Christopher Lee, Nick Tropeano, and Kyle Hallock are all potential names to watch.
In terms of a player already in the system who might break next year, I’ll agree with kyuss and say Telvin Nash. The guy has monster raw power, although the strikeouts are a bit worrisome.
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by Stupendous Man on Nov 14, 2025 9:29 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Seconding 4 of your 7 nominees as candidates
Meredith, Lee, Tropeano, and Hallock are exactly the type of players that John should be vetting out for his final list. Tropeano should be a lock to make it.
The numbers that Davidson posted at Greeneville of the Appalachian League and his pedigree parallel those of Marcus Nidiffer, a 2010 non-drafted free agent signee who didn’t survive the ensuing spring training. As a 41st-round selection from a 4-year university who amassed the bulk of his 192 professional plate appearances at least one level below where he should have spent 2011, Davidson should be filed in the “reconsider next year” folder with Reynolds and Gonzalez..
by reillocity on Nov 15, 2025 11:06 PM EST up reply actions
Pass out the seppuku swords
They need to completely clean house. They traded Berkman, Oswalt, Bourn, Pence, Keppinger, etc., and this is what they came up with? Trading for Jordan Schaefer? Really?
Springer seems like a good pick, but this is the organization that has “bolstered itself up the middle” the last 5 or 6 years with first-round picks like Sapp, Castro, Mier, DeShields. Maybe sometimes the draft “consensus” is actually right, and the Astros shouldn’t spend so much time showing how they’re willing to go against the grain.
Obviously, it’s not been the same people making the decisions, and the jury’s still out on the last several drafts, but it’s been 13 years since they hit on a first-round pick (Lidge).
Their current major league roster might be one of the worst I’ve ever seen. The farm system is better than 2 years ago, but nowhere near what it should be for what you traded away.
If I was the Astros new GM, I would ask the new owner to petition MLB to move down to Triple-A.
by jedjethro on Nov 14, 2025 10:34 AM EST reply actions
Springer was a good consensus pick
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by OremLK on Nov 14, 2025 10:44 AM EST up reply actions
Yes, they have drafted terribly of late
BUT- the trades they made that you mentioned, aside maybe the Bourn deal, were all great returns in my opinion. Swapping Gose for Wallace was a flop, but getting Melancon and Paredes for Berkman was a steal. The return on Pence looks to be great assuming Cosart and Singleton progress, and Domingo Santana was a great get in that deal as well. Keppinger is not much of a trade asset, so getting Sosa for him was perfectly acceptable in my opinion. I think you’re overstating the issues
by kyuss94 on Nov 14, 2025 10:50 AM EST up reply actions
+1
"Hakeem couldn't kick your ass cuz you were too
close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.
by bone31crusher on Nov 14, 2025 4:33 PM EST up reply actions
The return in the Pence trade was excellent. The Bourn trade was solid, in which Oberholtzer and Clemens are the centerpieces (Schafer was a throw-in).
The Oswalt and Berkman deals weren’t stellar, but considering each player’s how each player’s limited trade value affected their trade returns , they hardly got fleeced.
This is the strongest Houston’s system has been in a while. Singleton, Cosart, and Springer make a more than respectable top 3. Save the hyperbole, because its nowhere near as bad as you’re making it out to be.
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by Stupendous Man on Nov 14, 2025 11:02 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Better farm system than the Astros have had in a long time
And certainly more upside in the top 3 prospects. I think a few of the pitchers floating around the back end of the organization top 10 are mildly underrated in these parts (Foltynewicz, Houser, and Clemens jump to mind) and deserve strong consideration for B- grades rather than the C+ some people seem to be leaning toward.
But really, which prospects slot into the top dozen or so should be pretty easy to pick out. Off the top of my head, Singleton, Springer, Cosart, Villar, Santana, Oberholtzer, Clemens, Foltynewicz, Houser, DeShields, Ovando, Wates… in no precise order. After that, you have a whole mess of C/C+ range sleepers, mostly without substantial upside, with perhaps a few exceptions like Telvin Nash.
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by OremLK on Nov 14, 2025 10:43 AM EST reply actions
this system
looks like it’s full of C+/B- type players. IF they have two good drafts in a row, it turns into a pretty dynamic system (remember Toronto’s system 3 years ago? think that).
by JoelGuzman'sScout on Nov 14, 2025 3:27 PM EST up reply actions
I would agree
The good thing about the B- types (and I’d say there are 8-10 solid B- types after the top 3), is that the large majority of them are high risk high reward B- types. For me, Folty, DeShields, Villar, Ovando, Santana, Oberholtzer, Paul Clemens, Houser, Armstrong are all B- guys and Wates is borderline. I could see any of that group move up to B status fairly easily except maybe for Wates if they have an impressive enough season, and I’d expect several of them to do just that. Obviously some will lose some status and fall to C+ or maybe even C territory with a bad enough season. But there is a lot of reason for optimism with some decent upside guys and the several years of high picks to come.
by auclairkeithbc on Nov 14, 2025 4:19 PM EST up reply actions
That's pretty much my take
We can pretty much assume there will be another B+ or better player in the system following next year’s draft too, since the Astros have the first overall pick.
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by OremLK on Nov 14, 2025 5:38 PM EST up reply actions
Appel, Marrero, Giolito, and Buxton
are all Grade-A for me.
I bet that the Astros also spend for a 2nd rounder who falls due to signability.
by JoelGuzman'sScout on Nov 15, 2025 8:10 AM EST up reply actions
I somehow doubt that they do that
Crane seems to be the kind of guy who would be opposed to such a move with the way he wants to cut payroll, but I hope you’re right.
by kyuss94 on Nov 15, 2025 8:45 AM EST up reply actions
Do we really know anything about Crane's overall philosophy?
Maybe he wants to cut the ML payroll because the ML team sucks and plans to redirect it toward improving the farm system.
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by OremLK on Nov 15, 2025 10:17 AM EST up reply actions
I've read
That if/when he is approved, he will be among the “poorest” of the owners. I hope you’re right, but I’m not too hot on the prospect of Crane owning the team.
by kyuss94 on Nov 15, 2025 10:50 AM EST up reply actions
Where did you read this?
Also keep in mind that he’s now apparently getting an $80M discount on the purchasing price in exchange for the Astros going to the AL.
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by OremLK on Nov 15, 2025 11:34 AM EST up reply actions
It was a post on Astros County a while back
I could have read it wrong but that seemed to be the gist.
by kyuss94 on Nov 15, 2025 11:56 AM EST up reply actions
Step one to improving our organization:
Fire Brad Mills. Easily the worst manager I’ve ever seen. I still can’t believe he played minor-league caliber players Jason Michaels and Angel Sanchez consistently. I won’t get into his lineups, as they were downright pathetic in the last 3 months of the season.
Aside from getting rid of Mills, we need to remove Ed Wade. I think the Hunter Pence trade was a fantastic trade for us, but the Michael Bourn trade was a disaster. He’s just not the right GM for us.
As for our farm system, I think it has vastly improved. Jonathan Singleton, Jarred Cosart, and George Springer are our top prospects. All three have All-Star ceilings, but all three also have low floors. That’s actually a consistent theme throughout our system.
With the additions of Singleton, Cosart, Springer, and Domingo Santana (Also acquired from Philly), our system is at least respectable.
Ariel Ovando and Delino DeShields Jr. can certainly boost this system if they lives up to their potential. Ovando’s got immense raw power, a cannon of an arm, and good speed. DeShields has pretty good power and elite speed. His transition to 2B is still a work in progress, though he did show improvement there in the second half of the season. Both are exceptional athletes, but are still very young and raw. It would be nice if both had good 2012 campaigns. They could be legitimate B+, A- prospects if they live up to their potential. Big if, though.
Hopefully the #1 pick will increase our system even further. Too bad that it’s a weak draft, though.
"Hakeem couldn't kick your ass cuz you were too
close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.
by bone31crusher on Nov 14, 2025 4:31 PM EST reply actions
it's not as weak as you think
it’s not as strong as the past 3 or so. it’s pretty top heavy, though.
by JoelGuzman'sScout on Nov 15, 2025 8:13 AM EST up reply actions
As for my sleeper pick, I'm going with Telvin Nash.
Has fantastic power potential, but doesn’t do much else. He does walk at a fairly high rate, and he does have a somewhat respectable batting average, but his K rate is alarming. The funny thing is that he has a great eye at the plate, and rarely swings at pitches outside of the zone. However, he takes a lot of giant swings, therefore he strikes out a lot.
If he can improve his K rate, and not take so many unnecessarily giant swings, he could be a legitimate B, MAYBE even a borderline B+ prospect, depending on how much progress he makes.
He MUST make some noise at Lancaster this season, or he’s in trouble.
"Hakeem couldn't kick your ass cuz you were too
close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.
by bone31crusher on Nov 14, 2025 4:40 PM EST reply actions
Lancaster...
should play well to his power since a routine fly ball often leaves the stratosphere there.
by James Westfall on Nov 14, 2025 6:32 PM EST reply actions
Exactly.
I could see 40 jacks from him there if he stays at that level all season.
by kyuss94 on Nov 14, 2025 6:45 PM EST up reply actions
One thing on that note
He posted those great per game HR totals last year even with a broken hamate, which is an injury known to sap power.
by kyuss94 on Nov 14, 2025 10:17 PM EST up reply actions
this is why seemingly everybody has Nash listed as a "sleeper"
He might only really have one tool, but he’s a classic Cal League Mirage candidate.
by mrkupe on Nov 14, 2025 11:10 PM EST up reply actions
Harsh Reality.....
…..The Astros farm system has gone from a complete disgrace to merely below average….. Optimism is great, but when your top two draft picks are getting dominated in Lo-A ball and other top picks other than Lyles are little more than average or below (Wates, Nash,Seaton, Kvasnicka, Meyer, Austin)……As far as the trade acquisitions go, just remember that the other teams were willing to give these guys up for a reason….a few will make it, most won’t, and it’s not likely the ones who make it will be stars……
…That said, there is some raw talent available that can be developed……IF the organization cleans house, from the major league staff down through the minor league and scouting organizations, and pays to bring in good people to run the organization….I have nothing against Wade, Mills, Heck etc., but the stench of failure and losing is so ingrained that the only option is to remove it and start over…….
by jkaflagg on Nov 15, 2025 5:22 PM EST reply actions
System is at least average now
On the strength of the top 3 alone
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by OremLK on Nov 15, 2025 6:42 PM EST up reply actions
My sleeper for the system is Delino Deshields Jr
I know he’s reasonably highly regarded (top 10 from almost everyone), but he’s underrated in my book. He focused almost all of his efforts on converting to second early in the year so it makes sense that he struggled a bit with the stick, skipped the NYPL and played in A-ball as an 18 yr old, improved his walk and K rate, and was playing in a tough park for hitters. He’s the classic prospect fatigue case and I think he could shoot way up in stock if he moves up next year and hits well because he could be a five tool 2nd baseman who hits for a ton of power, steals a lot of bases, and has a sure glove. I like this kid.
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by Patrick Harrel on Nov 15, 2025 6:47 PM EST reply actions
I agree
This is exactly my take on DDJ. I think he’ll see more of a gradual improvement than a sudden breakout, but I think his stock will definitely begin to rise once the new season kicks off.
by kyuss94 on Nov 15, 2025 6:49 PM EST up reply actions
+1
"Hakeem couldn't kick your ass cuz you were too
close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.
by bone31crusher on Nov 15, 2025 7:03 PM EST up reply actions
when do you talk about the angels organization
by michael23333 on Nov 15, 2025 7:47 PM EST reply actions
system overview
At present, I’d rate the organization’s professional scouting as good to very good and its amateur scouting as poor. For evidence of this, just take a brief look at how the recent draftees and trade acquisitions have performed and where each group ranks in various top prospect lists. The top 5 position players in the system are light years better than the top 5 pitchers, and I suspect that the ordering of the final list will reflect this.
As for John’s still-eligible Top 40ish guys from a year ago, a few Top 20s have likely earned a demotion to “Others” (Kvasnicka, Mier, Austin). Jordan Scott, Kody Hinze, Adam Bailey, Jonathan Meyer (I project him to be a consensus system Top 20 pick this time next year), and Jake Buchanan are 5 players who didn’t crack the list a year ago but warrant a spot on the 2012 Others list, at worst. Several otherwise still-eligible guys from the prior list probably no longer merit consideration this time around (Quevedo, K. Clemens, R. Quintero, Doran, Gaston, Robinson, Seaton, Urckfitz).
On Telvin Nash… He’s still a one-trick pony whose awful contact rates get slightly worse with each passing year. The "19) Telvin Nash, 1B-OF, Grade C: Excellent power potential but lacks other skills." that John wrote here last year probably needs only to have the “1B-OF” revised to "1B-DH" until he shows us some semblance of a second skill.
by reillocity on Nov 15, 2025 10:46 PM EST reply actions
Agreed.
Mier has disappointed so far, but he’ll still be just 21 next season playing in High A. He’s shown promising defensive capabilities and gap power. The potential is still there.
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by Stupendous Man on Nov 16, 2025 11:04 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Mier's already been ranked as low as number 20 by Goldstein this offseason
What’s the difference between Mier being ranked #20 vs being ranked as the top guy in the Others category? One spot?
by reillocity on Nov 16, 2025 12:29 PM EST up reply actions
I have him at #14.
I could see him maybe ranked as low as #15 or #16 maybe if you really like Vincent Velasquez or Telvin Nash, but I think he’s got a better case for 12 or 13th than he does for 15th or 16th. He’s a pretty solid C+ prospect. And the Astros might not have 20 C+ types, certainly not 20 solid ones.
by auclairkeithbc on Nov 16, 2025 6:57 PM EST up reply actions
KG's rankings
Were pretty shocking all together to me. He has some complete non-prospects in the top 20, that I wouldn’t consider for the top 30.
by auclairkeithbc on Nov 16, 2025 6:58 PM EST up reply actions
a better word choice ...
than “likely” would have been “perhaps” in what I wrote initially …as in “a few Top 20s have perhaps earned a demotion …”.
The most surprising things on the BP list to me were: Jordan Scott showing up at #14 (Goldstein clearly wouldn’t have done that without one or more scouts talking the kid up), Armstrong being as high as #9, and Kvasnicka making the Top 20. Vincent Velasquez is a real wild card - I wouldn’t be shocked if he’s the #2 arm in the system come this time next year; need to see some data and/or back field spring training reports on him first before slotting him that high.
by reillocity on Nov 16, 2025 7:26 PM EST up reply actions
you really think that was a surprise?
He’s not a major league starter, but it’s not hard to see him having a decent career as a backup OF/grinder type. I think he has a decent shot at sticking for a while.
by mrkupe on Nov 16, 2025 11:17 PM EST up reply actions
what most hurts Shuck's value is
that he lacks the range required to play CF. If he had that, then you could play him there semi-regularly and the club would not suffer much (i.e., be much better off than the alternative of running Jordan Schafer out there). Instead, he’s a good-OBP plus-contact corner OF that slaps the ball with near zero power. And it’s hard to give a guy like that many at-bats, particularly with the club heading to the AL where corner OF offense will be at higher premium.
by reillocity on Nov 17, 2025 1:15 AM EST up reply actions
BA top ten is out today
A lot of you will be happy to see Nash at number 10.
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