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Hypothetical Braves-Reds-Rockies trade

I know hypothetical trade proposals can get old fast, but I've been thinking about this idea since I've heard Yonder Alonso could be available for a pitcher.

I don't see a team in this scenario that wouldn't like what they end up with.

Reds receive:

Jair Jurrjens

 

Rockies receive:

Yonder Alonso

Martin Prado

 

Braves receive:

Dexter Fowler

Nolan Arenado

B-level prospect from Reds

B-level prospect from Rockies

 

Reds perspective: Give up a great prospect that has no position with the team, as well as a middle-level prospect, but gain a legitimate number 2 starting pitcher.

 

Rockies perspective: Give up a good young outfielder, although they have plenty of other OF options for now and the future.  Also give up a top 3B prospect, but have internal options at that position as well.  In return they get another top prospect, with a much bigger bat, and an opening in the near future due to 38-year-old Todd Helton.  Also receive an above average starting 2B that can defend and hit.

 

Braves perspective: Give up two good players, however both players come from positions of depth (Uggla at 2B, Jones at 3B, tons of SP)  In return they get a player who can immediately play LF, as well as shift to CF when they lose Bourn to free agency.  Also get a long-term 3B to replace Chipper Jones when he retires in the near future. The two B-level prospects will even the trade value wise, since they are arguably giving up the two best current major leaguers in the deal (of course that is debatable both ways).

 

Do you all feel this trade is fair to all teams involved?  If not, how would you modify it?

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Rockies give up too much in this trade

Plus I think the Reds would want more than Jair for Alonso plus a B prospect.
It looks like the Braves are the big winners here, but I can’t imagine the Rockies or Reds go along with the trade.
A more fair version, to me:
Reds receive: Jair, B-level from Rockies
Rockies receive: Yonder, Prado
Braves receive: Dexter, B-level from Reds

by cookiedabookie on Nov 25, 2025 4:52 PM EST reply actions  

So Braves give up Jurrjens and Prado and in return recieve Fowler and a B level prospect? Wren knows better than that

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by KINGSLYTUT on Nov 25, 2025 7:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Depends on how much he wants to trim payroll

But perhaps I am undervaluing Jair and overvaluing Dexter.

by cookiedabookie on Nov 25, 2025 10:51 PM EST up reply actions  

not only

are yoiu undervauling Jair, you’re COMPLETELY overvaluing Dexter.

your trade idea is horrific. Braves give up JJ and Prado and get Dexter and, say, Billy Hamilton? We’re not looking to trade to “trim payroll”. we want to trade to get better. we’ve already trimmed a bit of payroll b/c of Lowe and Liberty is, evidently, giving us 7-10 million more a year.

by JoelGuzman'sScout on Nov 26, 2025 1:58 AM EST up reply actions  

Just my opinion....

If I am the Rockies GM I would prefer Arenado alone over both Alonso and Prado. Arenado has a chance to be a core player at 3B with a bat arguably beeter than Alonso’s in the long-run. Helton is signed through 2013, I just don’t see the need for Alonso at all.

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by Dominatio on Nov 25, 2025 5:26 PM EST reply actions  

+1

I can’t see COL trading Arenado for pretty much anything.

by dbreer23 on Nov 25, 2025 8:49 PM EST up reply actions  

I never understand this logic

If the Rockies could improve their team now and give up a prospect that “could be” great. IMO I think they would make the deal.

by Jay212033 on Nov 25, 2025 11:04 PM EST up reply actions  

but...

yonder alonso “could be” good as well

go long with extenze...i do

by angelsownredsux on Nov 25, 2025 11:46 PM EST up reply actions  

True but

Your getting a proven player with him as well.

by Jay212033 on Nov 25, 2025 11:56 PM EST up reply actions  

 proven player but for only two seasons…Plus the Rockies rotation is a mess so it makes little sense to trade such a strong prospect for a proven guy who can only help out for 1 season when the Rockies really have a chance at contending

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by Resolution on Nov 27, 2025 1:49 PM EST up reply actions  

“rockies could improve their team now”

how exactly? plugging alonso in for helton doesn’t make the team much better…. who is prado really? i could sign a free agent that could produce similarly for a salary not much higher

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by Dominatio on Nov 26, 2025 10:32 AM EST up reply actions  

i agree with you somewhat, but…

who is prado really?

you mean the career 7.5 WAR playe in 4 yearsr? you can’t say that you can sign a free agent that can produce at his level AND have his defensive felxibility (1B (somewhat) 2B, 3B, LF and RF).

If you’re talking 3B, you’re looking here
Joe Crede (33)
Wes Helms (35)
Melvin Mora (39)
Miguel Tejada (37)

LF?
Ryan Church (32)
Jack Cust (32)
Austin Kearns (31)

RF?
Brett Carroll (28)
Ryan Church (32)
Jose Guillen (35)
Austin Kearns (31)
Gary Matthews Jr. (36)

2B?
Alfredo Amezaga (33)
Luis Castillo (35)
David Eckstein (36)
Cristian Guzman (33)

yeah, i'm sure you can sign one of those guys to get the same production as Prado.

by JoelGuzman'sScout on Nov 26, 2025 11:00 AM EST up reply actions  

which is why Atlanta wants more than Seth Smith according to rumours

I don’t think Fowler was even mentioned in the Prado for Smith talk, and I don’t know if Atlanta covets Fowler, but at least Atlanta won’t just give away Prado because he’s blocked at 2B.

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by chewbalka on Nov 26, 2025 2:42 PM EST up reply actions  

what the hell is that?

1. the rockies just gave up a prado-type player in wigginton for absolutely nothing to the phillies so they could have kept him
2. wilson betemit is likely to get a 1year deal and play 3b within prado’s price range
3. kouzmanoff will sign cheaper than prado and would be a decent 3b now that hes out of oakland
4. kelly johnson will cost around $3M more than prado more than likely but i like him a lot

i dont know why u made a list of useless players, there are several other buy-low candidates that the rockies could get and pay prado’s likely $4.4M salary for 2012…

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by Dominatio on Nov 26, 2025 4:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Wigginton is a Prado type player?

He doesn’t really play 2B (168 career games, 0 last season), which is Prado’s main selling point, and he hasn’t had a season since 2008 where he’s posted a wRC+ closer than 15 points to Prado’s career mark. Throw in the fact that Wigginton is 6 years older and on the downside of his career, and I really don’t see how they’re all that comparable.

by nixa37 on Nov 27, 2025 11:24 AM EST up reply actions  

i think now is the perfect time to trade him

his value will never be higher. there were reasons as to why Arenado wasn’t a super-prospect before the beginning of the year. He got very hot the second half and it has translated well. Now, if the Rockies think he can sustain that, then he’s untouchable. If, though, they feel that his value is as high as it’s going to be and they have other “pressing” needs (like a MLB 3B and a legit ace starter), then he should be traded.

by JoelGuzman'sScout on Nov 26, 2025 2:03 AM EST up reply actions  

when he’s a top 5 prospect after 2012 or when he is the nl’s version of longoria from 2013-on i would think he will have more value

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by Dominatio on Nov 26, 2025 10:33 AM EST up reply actions  

and you know this how?

who’ll win the election?

by JoelGuzman'sScout on Nov 26, 2025 11:01 AM EST up reply actions  

I like how you state this as fact

I LOVE Arenado but there are no guarantees in prospecting. If teams have a chance to win they should make the moves to go for it.

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by King Billy Royal on Nov 26, 2025 11:19 AM EST up reply actions  

i agree with this statement, but there is no reason to make this deal now, if the rockies are in contention near the all-star break next year, yonder alonso is hitting well and todd helton is out with injury, then i could see them doing this. this deal could all make sense at the trade deadline next year, but for now it doesnt make a ton of sense

by Noah McKinnie Braun on Nov 26, 2025 11:37 AM EST up reply actions  

on basis you think they will b in the playoff hunt?

by Noah McKinnie Braun on Nov 26, 2025 11:41 AM EST up reply actions  

In part, yeah if they're at all in the race, they're not making that move

In part because the whole point of making the move now is that you have the rest of the offseason to fill the holes the trade creates. Chances are the Braves don’t pick up the necessary backup 3B if they don’t deal Prado.

by nixa37 on Nov 26, 2025 11:45 AM EST up reply actions  

Agreed

It isn’t like the Braves can’t compete next year. They have a lot of good players and it isn’t like the NL is stacked with strong teams.

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by King Billy Royal on Nov 26, 2025 1:39 PM EST up reply actions  

We absolutly can compete

We were the 2nd best team in the NL before JJ and Hanson went down

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by KINGSLYTUT on Nov 26, 2025 1:56 PM EST up reply actions  

You misread his post

He said “it isn’t like the Braves can’t compete next year.”

by auclairkeithbc on Nov 26, 2025 2:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Thank you

I think the Braves have a great shot at the playoffs.

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by King Billy Royal on Nov 26, 2025 2:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Braves give up too much

I don’t give up two proven MLB talents in Jurrjens and Prado for one top prospect, 2 mid level guys, and a hitter who has failed to shine in Colorado. I love Arenado but I would rather keep the MLB talent or find another buyer.

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by King Billy Royal on Nov 25, 2025 5:47 PM EST reply actions  

Interesting

I was just about to suggest that fellow afl mvp Hanson would be the cost for Arenado so I have to believe you’re not jumping on the Arenado bandwagon;-)
Not disagreeing mind you, Jurrjens is solid if healthy and I think Prado is being underrated right now and should be worth a lot more than Seth Smith.

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by chewbalka on Nov 25, 2025 6:01 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm not jumping on the Arenado bandwagon

I have actually been driving it for awhile. I just think MLB GMs understand the value of a proven performer. I was hyping this guy as early as August 2010 when I wondered if he could hit .300 with 25 HR in Coors.

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by King Billy Royal on Nov 25, 2025 10:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed

There are many players who look like potential great players in the minors and bust, Brandon Wood is a good example not saying Arenado is gonna turn out like him. Jurrjens and Prado are proven players, Arenado is a great prospect but I personally think Prado would put up huge numbers in Coors Field.

by Jay212033 on Nov 25, 2025 11:12 PM EST up reply actions  

+1

arenado is clearly the best player in this deal. look at how many doubles he hits. with that kind of contact, some of those doubles are going to turn into hr’s as he gets stronger. you don’t trade 3b who hit .300 with 30 hr potential for anything less than aces or proven superstars.

by DeathSpeculum on Nov 26, 2025 4:26 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

You don't trade aces or proven superstars for Nolan Arenado

And I like the kid a lot as a prospect, but he hasn’t even made the jump to AA yet and he posted a wRC+ of just 109 in high A this year.

by nixa37 on Nov 26, 2025 11:26 AM EST up reply actions  

Jurrjens is an ace?

Prado is a superstar?

Or were you talking about proverbial aces and proverbial superstars?

by walnut falcons on Nov 26, 2025 8:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Of course they aren't

I was responding to his last sentence where he implied you shouldn’t move Arenado for anything less than an ace of a proven superstar.

by nixa37 on Nov 27, 2025 11:26 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't see the need for the Rockies to get involved.

Jurrjens for Alonso looks the the core of a simple-enough trade. The Braves need a corner OF bat, Alonso can probably stick in a corner; maybe the Reds throw in a middle-infield prospect or something.

I think the Rockies would regret trading Arenado - they need a long-term 3B more than they need another corner outfielder (Carlos Gonzalez, Seth Smith, and they’ve got some decent OF prospects already). Prado’s probably not going to help when they’re really ready to compete again. Looks like a losing proposition in the long run on their end.

by Brownson on Nov 25, 2025 6:02 PM EST reply actions  

NO ONE

Is going to trade for Alonso and play him anywhere but 1B or DH.

by auclairkeithbc on Nov 25, 2025 6:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Honestly

Alonso could very well end up better than Freeman, and Freeman can’t be worse in the OF than Alonso, so maybe they’d want to go that route, but I doubt it.

by auclairkeithbc on Nov 25, 2025 6:16 PM EST up reply actions  

If we're going to have horrible Defensive players play LF

then why don’t we just trade JJ for J. Montero? He’s RH and I think the Yankees would do it.

by JoelGuzman'sScout on Nov 26, 2025 2:05 AM EST up reply actions  

i think you clearly overvalue your team's own players.

the yankees would never make that deal. JJ is totally overrated and i doubt he can have long term success with his K rate.

by Los Gueros on Nov 26, 2025 6:49 AM EST up reply actions  

JJ is totally overrated

while he’s overrated, the adverb is unneeded and, honestly, incorrect. The Yankees would, probably, do it. I don’t think the Braves do it.

by JoelGuzman'sScout on Nov 26, 2025 11:02 AM EST up reply actions  

no they wouldnt

by Noah McKinnie Braun on Nov 26, 2025 11:39 AM EST up reply actions  

+1

by cookiedabookie on Nov 26, 2025 3:48 PM EST up reply actions  

I just can't see an argument for Alonso being better than Freeman

Let’s just put it this way. Alonso just had a very good season in AAA at age 24. It still wasn’t even as good as what Freeman did in the exact same league at the age of 20.

by nixa37 on Nov 26, 2025 11:28 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm not saying he IS better

Just saying it is well within a normal range of expectation that Alonso ends up better. Freeman should be the favorite to have the better career though.

by auclairkeithbc on Nov 26, 2025 12:00 PM EST up reply actions  

I just disagree

I would be shocked if Alonso ended up better. There is nothing in there minor league careers that makes that look like a possibility. I’m not sure I’ve seen a 21 year old player have his upside talked down more than Freeman’s does.

by nixa37 on Nov 27, 2025 11:28 AM EST up reply actions  

I know the Braves are expecting to be paid like Jurrjens is Greinke, but Jurrjens is just not in Greinke’s class, and I think they just won’t get that return. I think Alonso is a fair return.

I’m also not sure why the Braves are shopping Prado so intently. They need him if they want to compete when-not-if Chipper goes down in 2012.

by Brownson on Nov 25, 2025 6:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Alonso isn't a fair return because he doesn't fit a need for the Braves

Maybe someone with similar value who fit a need might be fair value (I disagree, but that’s another discussion), but Alonso has little value for a team that’s set at 1B and already has a lefty heavy lineup. Throw in the fact that he’s tougher to move because fewer teams need a 1B/DH type, and I just don’t see it.

by nixa37 on Nov 26, 2025 11:30 AM EST up reply actions  

Braves win this one

For sure.

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by KINGSLYTUT on Nov 25, 2025 7:29 PM EST reply actions  

I'd tweak the deal just a little

Change Fowler with Charlie Blackmon and that would be a fair deal for all involved. I like Blackmon better than Fowler and besides the Rockies value Fowler more than Blackmon.

by Jay212033 on Nov 25, 2025 11:19 PM EST reply actions  

How is that a fair deal for the Braves?

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by King Billy Royal on Nov 26, 2025 10:21 AM EST up reply actions  

If this trade were to happen it would free up several things for the Braves while adding to the team. Say if the Braves were to get Blackmon, Arenado, Hamilton and Matzek that would give them an insurance for Bourn if he leaves after the season, insurance for Chopper when he retires and two other good prospects. The Braves would then free up close to 10 mil in salary to go after a Beltran, Rollins or another FA to replace Prado’s production and we have plenty pitching to replace JJ.

by Jay212033 on Nov 26, 2025 2:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Signing Beltran or Rollins would be stupid

They are going to get 3-5 year deals and are in their declining years. Why pay for a players past production?

Also, a B level prospect is not likely to include Matzek or Hamilton.

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by King Billy Royal on Nov 26, 2025 2:33 PM EST up reply actions  

no reaction

My first reaction is that it isn’t a deal I would say ‘we have to jump on that deal’ from any of the three team perspectives.

The Reds don’t need another middle rotation type arm which is what jurrjens really is, they have alot of those type guys, they desperately need a stud at the top of the rotation that they can depend on.

The Braves are giving up a lot more than they are getting back. Losing Jurrjens and Prado and getting Fowler and Arrenado is a terrible trade loss for the Braves

The Rockies wouldn’t give up Arrenado for an Alonso type 1B. I like Alonso but he’s isn’t an impact type guy, and they believe Arrenado could be. And Fowler for Prado is kind of a wash. I would rather have Fowler, likely similar production going forward, younger, cheaper, and plays a more valuable position.

by GoldenSpikes24 on Nov 26, 2025 12:23 AM EST reply actions  

The Reds don’t need another middle rotation type arm which is what jurrjens really is

Now I’m a Braves homer, but that’s just not true. While he’s not an ace, he’s a middle of the road #2. That’s not “middle rotation”.

by JoelGuzman'sScout on Nov 26, 2025 2:06 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree

Jurjjens may not have the best FIPs but some guys do well regardless of peripherals. It isn’t like he is a soft tosser either.

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by King Billy Royal on Nov 26, 2025 10:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Not to mention he does just fine in FIP too

By that measure he’s still been one of the 30-35 best starters in baseball since his first full season in the majors.

by nixa37 on Nov 26, 2025 11:35 AM EST up reply actions  

Agreed

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by King Billy Royal on Nov 26, 2025 1:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Rockies ...

Wouldn’t trade Arenado for Alonso straight up.

Wouldn’t trade Fowler (.880 OPS in 2nd half - yes, an imperfect stat and sss) for Prado straight up.

Plus you have another B-level player in the deal?

No dice.

by Traindogger on Nov 26, 2025 12:43 PM EST reply actions  

Someone's a total Braves homer

There’s no way you give up an injury-prone mid-rotation starter and a versatile but uninspiring position player coming off his worst year (not to mention his trade value is shot since it’s obvious the Braves don’t want him anymore) and get a top prospect, a former top prospect who is still young and has great tools, and two additional B prospects.

Here’s a realistic version:

Reds get Jurrjens, B prospect from Rockies

Rockies get Alonso, Prado

Braves get Fowler, B prospect from Rockies

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by WhyGodWhy on Nov 26, 2025 3:36 PM EST reply actions  

So the Braves would be giving up JJ and Prado for Fowler and a B prospect LOL!

by Jay212033 on Nov 26, 2025 4:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Someone's a total Rockies homer

The Rockies trade Fowler and a B prospect and in return recieve Alonso and Prado?

LOL good one!

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by KINGSLYTUT on Nov 26, 2025 5:51 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't care about the Rockies one way or the other.

The point is that Prado’s trade value is really low right now considering his poor performance last season and the fact that the Braves apparently hate him. Jurrjens isn’t worth very much either.

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by WhyGodWhy on Nov 27, 2025 12:43 AM EST up reply actions  

Why is Jurrjens not worth much?

30 best FIP in baseball since 2008 and continues to outperform his peripherals. The Braves aren’t giving him away for mid level prospects.

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by King Billy Royal on Nov 27, 2025 1:25 AM EST up reply actions  

He's only outperformed his peripherial stats 2 out of the 4 full years he's spent in the big leagues (and did not do so in his partial rookie season or in the minors)

That’s not nearly enough of a track record to declare that he’s Matt Cain 2.0.

Picking a random year and quoting stats since then is irrelevant. If you want to make a player look good, you quote stats from after a particularly bad season, and if you want to make him look bad you include said bad season. Bill James projections (which are always very optimistic) have him pegged for 181 innings of 3.68 ERA ball next year. That’s a decent #3 at best. If the Braves won’t trade him for a couple mid-level guys that’s too bad, because no smart team will give up more than that.

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by WhyGodWhy on Nov 27, 2025 12:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Its not a random year picked to help JJ's case, it was his first full year in the bigs

And a 3.68 ERA over 181 innings is a decent #3 at best? There were 40 pitchers in baseball that through that many innings with an ERA that low last season. So, according to you, there are ~40 pitchers in baseball that are decent #3 starters or better. So, on average, each team has 1.33 starters that come in as a decent #3 or better. Do you not see an issue with that definition?

by nixa37 on Nov 27, 2025 12:22 PM EST up reply actions  

By the way, the whole he's only outperformed his peripherals in 2 of 4 seasons is dumb

The amount he has outperformed or underperformed obviously has to be taken into account. The fact that on the whole he’s outpitched his peripherals by almost half a run per 9 innings tells us more than the fact that he’s only outpitched it 2 of 4 years. You can make the case that its less likely to continue that Cain’s because its a smaller sample size, but the consistency really shouldn’t come into play.

by nixa37 on Nov 27, 2025 12:30 PM EST up reply actions  

A 3.68 ERA over 181 innings is a number 3 at BEST?

Ummm…I don’t think so Tim.

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by King Billy Royal on Nov 27, 2025 2:07 PM EST up reply actions  

The Braves apparently hate Prado?

They’re gauging trade interest in him. There is absolutely no reason to think they’re going to move him unless they get the package they want in return. We’ve already seen two teams inquire on whether they could get him cheap and both were shot down pretty quickly.

by nixa37 on Nov 27, 2025 11:31 AM EST up reply actions  

I would like this more if

the Rockies gave up Seth Smith and Tim Wheeler (instead of Fowler) to the Braves and the Reds give up a solid B+ prospect to the Braves.

The Braves would get Smith, Wheeler, a B prospect from the Rockies, a B+ prospect from the Reds - they replace Prado at a cheaper cost and have Wheeler to take over when Bourn leaves, plus 2 strong prospects.

The Rockies get Alonso and Prado but lose Smith, Wheeler, and two B prospects.

The Reds get Jurrjens, a B prospect from the Rockies and lose a B prospect to the Braves.

Though in hindsight it seems like the Reds would need to get something a little more for losing Alsonso than just Jurrjens.

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by Resolution on Nov 27, 2025 2:00 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't think you understand the Rockies philosophy

First off, not even based off talent, they won’t trade Arenado because they need a long term solution at third. They’re committed to building within, and Arenado has a pretty good chance of being better than Prado or Alonso will ever be, so Arenado is completely off the table in any deal with the Reds and Braves.

The only reason the Rockies are involved with Prado is because of their outfield glut. Wheeler and Blackmon won’t be as good as Smith initially, but they’re not looking to compete in 2012 (2013 is their window opening), so it makes sense for them to start one of Wheeler or Blackmon (probably Blackmon now, Wheeler in the future). They’ll move Smith AND Wheeler in the right deal, but not just for Prado, and unless Alonso has an option left, he won’t fit, because Helton is our 2012 starter, but I think Alonso has one. Fowler won’t be moving unless it’s for a guy like Wright, and even then the Rockies hesitate. I’m wondering how a potential deal would work in all teams favors…..maybe something like WhyGodWhy’s trade except the Rockies don’t give anything to the Reds (his deal heavily favors the Reds), and Fowler is replaced by Smith and Wheeler. Maybe a pitching prospect like Edwar Cabrera goes along to the Braves? (they did well with Beachy, they’d do well with Cabrera)

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by MattBerger on Nov 26, 2025 4:11 PM EST reply actions  

Note, this is something I think the Rockies would want to do

Where they come out with what they want and the Braves get what they want for the most part. I’d actually think the Reds have to give another prospect to the Braves for Jurrjens to be honest.

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by MattBerger on Nov 26, 2025 4:13 PM EST up reply actions  

In your scenario....

The Braves are trading Jair Jurrjens and Martin Prado for Seth Smith, Tim Wheeler and Edwar Cabrera.

That is far from realistic.

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by sully10x on Nov 26, 2025 4:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Exactly

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by KINGSLYTUT on Nov 26, 2025 5:51 PM EST up reply actions  

That would only get Prado NOT Prado AND Jurrjens.

by Jay212033 on Nov 26, 2025 10:32 PM EST up reply actions  

On behalf of all Rockies fans

That would only get Prado

The Rockies aren’t even going to give up Smith+Wheeler alone, let alone Cabrera as well, that’s why this deal isn’t done yet. They’ll do Smith + prospects or Wheeler +prospects for Prado alone. Also, I said the Reds would add in a prospect on their end for Jurrjens, I don’t know their system.

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by MattBerger on Nov 27, 2025 12:31 PM EST up reply actions  

While I fully admit I pulled that deal idea out of my ass,

I wouldn’t say it favors the Reds at all. Jurrjens threw 152 innings last season, with a 3.99 FIP and 4.23 xFIP and 1.5 WAR. He’s thrown 200+ innings once. No smart team is going to give up much for a guy like that.

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by WhyGodWhy on Nov 27, 2025 12:50 AM EST up reply actions  

You do know those aren't bad FIPs right?

Also, some guys continually do better or worse than their FIPs.

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by King Billy Royal on Nov 27, 2025 1:26 AM EST up reply actions  

You're not mentally adjusting for the decrease in run environment.

The average FIP in 2011 was 3.87. Jurrjens is a below-average pitcher who is often injured. People want to treat him like an ace or a #2. That is wrong.

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by WhyGodWhy on Nov 27, 2025 12:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Who has wanted to treat him like he's an ace?

And is your average FIP for the league or starting pitchers? Because starters in general have higher FIPs than relievers because of their longer appearances. So a below average FIP overall could very well be average for a starter.

by nixa37 on Nov 27, 2025 12:24 PM EST up reply actions  

No smart team is going to give up much for a guy like that?

A guy who is in the top 30-35 in FIP (depending on what you set the IP requirement at) and top 50 in innings pitched in baseball over the past 4 years? Did I mention he hasn’t even turned 26 yet…

by nixa37 on Nov 27, 2025 11:37 AM EST up reply actions  

I think that's why the Braves want to get value for him now

The Braves are overvaluing their guys here, I really want Prado, but come on, staph or no staph he didn’t even OPS .700 last year. His value’s down, and they want to use him in a trade to not only find a better replacement for him, but find a CF of the future as well. It’s a good strategy, though I just don’t understand why they feel the need to keep Uggla at 2nd. If they didn’t want to make a trade, they should just start Uggla at left, Prado at second, then move Uggla to third in 2013 when Chipper’s gone. That doesn’t solve the left field problem permanently though, and it puts pressure on them to resign Bourn, so I guess that’s their basis for the trade?

I also wonder if the Reds would part with Frazier or Francisco in a deal for Jurrjens with Alonso now that I think of it. The Braves won’t deal Jurrjens for Alonso alone. Fair or not fair, they’re just not going to do it.

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by MattBerger on Nov 27, 2025 12:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Staph or no staph? Have you ever had a major staph infection?

And are we just going to completely ignore 2008-2010 where he posted an .819 OPS overall, never finishing below .809 in a single season? Seriously, which is more likely, that his staph infection really bothered him and is the reason he went from a consistent .800+ OPS to a sub .700 guy, or he suddenly lost all his talent, the staph infection was just a coincidence, and he should be judged based on last year’s struggles alone?

Honestly, I think your first sentence says everything. You really want Prado, but you also want to get him cheap because he’s coming off of a down year. But of course its the Braves overvaluing their guys and not you undervaluing their guys.

by nixa37 on Nov 27, 2025 1:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Then I'm confused as to why the Braves are shopping them at all, you're absolutely right though

They know teams are going to try to get him on the cheap. To be completely honest, I don’t think Smith and Wheeler isn’t horrible to give up for Prado, it’s still more than I feel Prado’s worth, and I’d rather keep one of the two (Wheeler in my case because he’s younger, cheaper and has more upside, though Smith has more value currently because he’s a proven outfielder) and build the value elsewhere in the deal. I don’t like the idea of giving Blackmon the reins for the entire season when he’s coming off an injury, nor when CarGo has had injury problems and when Fowler is prone to prolonged slumps. It’s just not smart to trade off your strength enough until you need all 3 of your starters to have stay healthy.

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by MattBerger on Nov 27, 2025 3:48 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't think the Rockies fit well in this trade

I think this could be a potential deal.

Braves Send: Jurrjens and Hoover
Reds Send: Todd Frazier and Heisey.

I’m not sure how the Reds value Heisey or Frazier but I know they want a pitcher(and I believe I read they want a young reliever, Hoover). This trade looks like it could work to me. Thoughts?

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by KINGSLYTUT on Nov 26, 2025 5:55 PM EST reply actions  

Braves in no rush to trade Jurrjens or Prado

Atlanta’s surplus of pitching and Uggla blocking 2B make it easy to speculate either could be moved but Atlanta rarely sells low on their players like they did with Yunel. mlbtraderumors suggests they would like to upgrade SS so you have to believe Atlanta is especially leery right now about moving a player they don’t have to for a questionable upgrade.

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by chewbalka on Nov 27, 2025 2:16 PM EST up reply actions  


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