MiLB 8/23
by auclairkeithbc on Aug 23, 2025 7:46 PM EDT
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I don't have a list of players for you today. Games are underway, and we need a thread. I will say one thing:
Yonder Alonso is great. Hit a HR in first PA of the day on a rare start (at 1B thankfully). He hardly gets to play, but he's been outstanding offensively. And he should be an average defensive 1B roughly, for SOME team...maybe the Reds. So far this season (only 30 PA), he's batting .423, with a .500 OBP and .731 SLG. He's got 2 HR, 2 doubles, 4 walks, and only 2 strikeouts. I think he was (and by certain metrics still is) one of the more underrated prospects in baseball, at least by people who think above average hitting, average defensive 1B aren't worth much.[/rant]
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Starling
Marte. 1-1, 2BB
Taillon, 2IP, 3K
Da'Sean Butler - A Mountaineer Legend
by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Aug 23, 2025 7:51 PM EDT reply actions
Was just looking at Taillon
Let’s hope he keeps it up. He could use a clean start.
by blackoutyears on Aug 23, 2025 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Ya
but it’s not like he’s ever had a disastrous start, except for maybe one at the very beginning of the year.
One of Marte’s walks was a IBB.
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by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Aug 23, 2025 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions
3 IP
4K, 0H, 0ER, 0BB
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by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Aug 23, 2025 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Never said disastrous
but his K:BB has been so-so his last few starts, he’s had a rash of XBH, and it’s been eight starts since he had a scoreless outing. It’s hardly a criticism to say it would be nice if he put up a clean start at this point in the year.
by blackoutyears on Aug 23, 2025 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Looks like
5IP 1H 1R 1ER 3BB 5K final. Not sure where the walks have come from lately but it’s still an 85:20 K:BB on the year and that’s a nice start.
by blackoutyears on Aug 23, 2025 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions
True
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by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Aug 24, 2025 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Definitely
I’m sure he’s learning a lot this year. He’s an extremely smart and studious guy by all accounts. And it’s not like he’s been disappointing, it just seems like every game there’s a mistake, or two, that bites him. It’s going to be a solid season in the end.
by blackoutyears on Aug 24, 2025 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Fastball Fastball Fastball
The Pirates have pretty much said that’s all they want Taillon to throw this year. There was an article a few days ago where the GM basically said he knows Taillon can strike anyone in A ball out with his offspeed stuff, but that he wants him to solely work on fastball command. I think that’s why he hasn’t been blowing people’s doors off numbers wise.
by loop on Aug 24, 2025 2:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Yep
Not exactly news. It’s been the case all year.
by blackoutyears on Aug 24, 2025 2:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Some
people don’t understand that though. I can’t wait to see him in Bradenton next year when he will be given more freedom and more innings.
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by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Aug 24, 2025 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Some people don't understand a lot of stuff.
And a lot of people don’t understand some stuff. Anyone paying attention to Taillon on these boards is familiar with the way in which PIT is handling him, or should be.
by blackoutyears on Aug 24, 2025 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Nestor Molina
Another great start so far: 3IP 1H 0R 0BB 5K.
by blackoutyears on Aug 23, 2025 7:52 PM EDT reply actions
AA just talking to the MLB crew about him
Supposedly he’s now an untouchable, had people asking after him at the deadline but they’ve decided to keep him.
by TtD on Aug 23, 2025 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Final Line
5IP 2H 0R 0BB 7K 5-2 GO-FO
by Hank_Aarencibia on Aug 23, 2025 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Very nice
Not often you see a guy get better after a promotion to Double-A. He and Paxton have both pulled the trick.
by blackoutyears on Aug 23, 2025 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Kid is a legit top prospect. Pounds the strike-zone with low 90’s fastballs, throws a nasty splitter, doesn’t walk anyone, and is a groundball pitcher to boot.
by metafour on Aug 23, 2025 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I really wish I could watch one of his starts
I don’t want to jump on board until I get a look for myself. Damn FSL & EL lack MiLB.tv coverage.
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by Jeff Reese on Aug 23, 2025 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Have you checked out
that Baseball Instinct video of him in the meantime? I’d be interested in what you think of it.
by blackoutyears on Aug 23, 2025 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions
It's on youtube.
Do I have to do all the work in this relationship? lol
by blackoutyears on Aug 23, 2025 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Molina
so far in AA:
16 IP, 8 hits, 1 ER, 1 BB, 24 K’s!!!!!
On the season: in 124.1 IP, 15 BB, 139K’s!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What a season for him
by Sniderlover on Aug 23, 2025 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Addison Reed
2IP 1H 0R 0BB 2K. The usual.
by blackoutyears on Aug 23, 2025 7:53 PM EDT reply actions
Alex Wimmers
Pitched four innings before the game was called.
4IP 2H 1ER 0BB 6K
Over his last six games, that’s:
22IP 17H 9ER 6BB 24K
The Twins are bringing him along slowly, but it’s looking pretty successful so far.
by PissedMick on Aug 23, 2025 8:08 PM EDT reply actions
Alonso
Nice hit up the middle to score Phillips, responsible for both Reds RBI so far.
by blackoutyears on Aug 23, 2025 8:15 PM EDT reply actions
Must be official Doubleheader Day around baseball
1 for 2 with a walk in game 2.
by blackoutyears on Aug 23, 2025 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Must have been pacing Alonso
So competitive…
by blackoutyears on Aug 23, 2025 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions
if the rumors of
Shields for Alonso + Mesoraco in July were true, it’s looking smart of the Reds to hold on to these two. If the Rays were insisting on Hamilton, too, then it looks like they (the Rays) should have taken these two. Could you imagine them in Tampa with Jennings + Longo + Zobrist + et al? very young, cheap, and good team there.
by apoxonbothyourhouses on Aug 24, 2025 3:29 AM EDT up reply actions
When was that deal rumored?
I know the Rays and Reds discussed Shields, but I have yet to see anything outside of fan speculation that Alonso and Mesoraco were discueed.
by nixa37 on Aug 24, 2025 3:33 AM EDT up reply actions
fan speculation isn't a "rumor"?
was also on rotoworld, Buster Olney (http://twitter.com/#!/Buster_ESPN/statuses/93622239433469952) and mlbtraderumors.com (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2011/07/is-james-shields-available.html). as far as who was discussed, nobody but the GMs know. However, intelligent inferences can be taken that Alonso was one as well as either Grandal or Mesoraco (with Mesoraco being the closest and, thus, being most likely wanted by the Rays).
but don’t let that get in your way of trying to contradict every thing i say.
by apoxonbothyourhouses on Aug 24, 2025 3:38 AM EDT up reply actions
No fan speculation is speculation, while a rumor is an actual circulating story or report
I was honestly curious because you are the only person I’ve seen mention this, but since I don’t follow MLBTR like I used to I figured I could have missed something that came from Olney or someone else.
I don’t know about other people, but when I hear rumor, I think about a something that’s being reported by someone in the media. It implies that someone with inside information is leaking the story. It doesn’t imply that a few guys on the internet thought it made sense.
by nixa37 on Aug 24, 2025 3:59 AM EDT up reply actions
huh?
while a rumor is an actual circulating story or report
no offense, nixa, but that’s just wrong. a rumor is “an unverified account or explanation of events circulating from person to person and pertaining to an object, event, or issue.” the key word is “unverified”. a circulating story or report is a verified account in that it has been fact checked. also notice the “person to person” aspect that Websters’ so eloquently pointed out. Thus, fan speculation is unverified AND person to person. Thus, it’s a rumor.
i’m not the only person who mentioned this. i could be wrong (and i am, probably). but it was still a “rumor” that those two would be sent.
by apoxonbothyourhouses on Aug 24, 2025 8:07 AM EDT up reply actions
So when Buster Olney reports a rumor its been fact checked?
I didn’t think I really needed to add the last few words about a rumor being somewhat doubtful (or unverified as your definition put it). Maybe the online version is also different than the print version, but that’s not a definition used on their website.
Go read your first post again and tell me that it doesn’t read like what you’re saying is coming from a member of the media. Are you really telling me people shouldn’t be upset if some random blogger posted that “rumor has it team A could trade B for C” and then it came out that when he said rumor has it he really meant “my buddy and me talked about it and think it makes sense, so it a rumor, but we have no idea if the teams actually discussed trading B for C?”
by nixa37 on Aug 24, 2025 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions
While you're falling all over yourself to argue semantics
you’re pretty much stating that rumors don’t have to have any basis in reality. If that’s the case, why even bother to mention such a “rumor”?
By the way, if the rumors that the Nationals were ready to ship Strasburg and a PTBNL (Bryce Harper) to the Mariners for Fister are true, then I’m pretty sure the M’s made a stupid choice taking the Tigers package.
by PissedMick on Aug 24, 2025 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Kyle Seager
3 for 4 with a double in the first game of a doubleheader.
by blackoutyears on Aug 23, 2025 8:24 PM EDT reply actions
Should also
note he’s been playing some SS the last couple of games.
by blackoutyears on Aug 23, 2025 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Trayvon also having great DH so far
6-8, 3 2B
by bp42810 on Aug 23, 2025 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I have both on my fantasy team in an exceptionally deep roto league
Both are on my bench but will see some time when we can add three active roster spots in September
by Rotofan on Aug 24, 2025 3:27 AM EDT up reply actions
6 for 9 two double and a homer
I think Seager single-handedly powered my fantasy offense tonight.
by blackoutyears on Aug 23, 2025 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Just saw a note
in the Seattle Times game wrap that Seager moved his avg from .224 to .276 yesterday. Gotta love SSS.
by blackoutyears on Aug 24, 2025 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions
And up to .313 after today
4-4 with 3 2Bs and a walk.
Heck of a series for the kid.
by dnc on Aug 24, 2025 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah
this was great for him. It’s not like SEA has anything to lose, so it’s cool to see Ackley, Carp and Seager driving the scoring right now. Same thing happened with CIN yesterday as Sappelt and Alonso got hits that tied and won the game respectively.
by blackoutyears on Aug 24, 2025 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions
He wants 100
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
by OctaShields on Aug 23, 2025 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions
is this dude an 80 speed guy or is he just a great basestealer?
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by billybeingbilly on Aug 24, 2025 12:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Top speed
Among the best in minor league baseball.
by blackoutyears on Aug 24, 2025 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions
some are whispering
maybe best in-game baseball speed ever.
by apoxonbothyourhouses on Aug 24, 2025 3:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Herb Washington
says hello. not really your point, but you get what i’m saying.
by ajake57 on Aug 24, 2025 8:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Who's been saying that?
Not skeptical, but curious if it’s anybody noteworthy.
by PissedMick on Aug 24, 2025 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions
By his definition of rumor
Just by typing it here, it is now officially a rumor.
Go and spread the word people. The rumor is that Billy Hamilton is the fastest baseball player ever!!!
by nixa37 on Aug 24, 2025 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions
One of the swipes
was of home (front end of a double steal)
by realitypolice on Aug 23, 2025 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions
best play in baseball
Eagerly waiting to hear the Cox to Wong to Pujols double play call.
by siddfynch on Aug 24, 2025 1:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Austin Hedges' pro debut
1-3, BB
by polyrhythm07 on Aug 23, 2025 9:07 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Brandon Allen
2 for 4 with two homers. Finally ready to play every day?
by blackoutyears on Aug 23, 2025 9:25 PM EDT reply actions
I think he's been ready all year.
What better options do the A’s have for 1B? They have to be hoping he’ll end the year strong enough to be the frontrunner out of spring training, don’t they?
by PissedMick on Aug 23, 2025 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Hard to tell how ready
he was stuck with AZ, but the move to OAK was a boon. Thing is he’d looked close to ready before, and I’d love to see if he’s working to close the holes in his swing I saw exploited the last couple of years.
by blackoutyears on Aug 23, 2025 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm of the opinion that the majors are the best place to work out those flaws.
Mashing in AAA doesn’t give players the incentive to adjust that failing against major league pitching does. As it is, it’s only ~75 PAs, but Allen’s strikeout rate has been much more in line with his minor league numbers (~20-25%) this year than in the past. Can he keep that up? Who knows? The upside for the A’s is big enough that they should give him the opportunity.
by PissedMick on Aug 23, 2025 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Completely agree
I’ve been an Allen fan for what seems like eternity, but is really just the last three years or so.
by blackoutyears on Aug 23, 2025 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions
It's funny,
because I offered a league mate a choice between Allen and Carp to complete a trade two years ago and he begrudgingly chose Carp, who is also now coming into his own a bit. Both have a lot to prove but I had a feeling they’d earn the chance to do so.
by blackoutyears on Aug 24, 2025 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions
First one:
http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=18348285&topic_id=&c_id=mlb&tcid=tw_video_18348285
by PissedMick on Aug 23, 2025 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Reese Havens
1 for 3 with a homer and a walk.
by blackoutyears on Aug 23, 2025 9:26 PM EDT reply actions
Brandon Jacobs
2 for 2 with a homer in one half a DH. 0 for 3 with two whiffs in the other.
by blackoutyears on Aug 23, 2025 9:27 PM EDT reply actions
John Mayberry
2 for 4 with another homer (back-to-back games and three of last five).
by blackoutyears on Aug 23, 2025 9:29 PM EDT reply actions
Nick Franklin HR
1-3 so far. Has hit safely in all 9 AA games. AA average down to .486.
by dnc on Aug 23, 2025 9:38 PM EDT reply actions
Alfredo Silverio
2 for 4 with a double and has an eye-catching XBH spread of 38 doubles, 16 triples and 15 homers. Fringy walk rate as usual, but also posting a solid strikeout rate. With Trayvon gone he’s one guy who might benefit next year.
by blackoutyears on Aug 23, 2025 9:43 PM EDT reply actions
Neftali Soto
2 for 4 with homer #27. Has walked three times in his last ~30 games.
by blackoutyears on Aug 23, 2025 9:45 PM EDT reply actions
Nobody walks off the island...
…but I would like to see that BB-rate creep up to a more respectable level…otherwise, are we seeing Wily Mo Pena v2.0?
by dbreer23 on Aug 23, 2025 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe
. . but he’s about half of Mo’s size, the last time I saw him. Impressive pop though.
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by casejud on Aug 24, 2025 12:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Matt Moore
surprised no one has posted his line:
6IP 6H 0ER 1BB 6K
by walnut falcons on Aug 23, 2025 9:47 PM EDT reply actions
And according to Manuel's tweets
He didn’t have his CH working tonight. Scary.
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by Jeff Reese on Aug 23, 2025 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions
more accurately he didn't have fastball velocity and didn't have command of the FB or the curve
The fastball was around 93 until the 4th inning. The curve he couldn’t locate. I think the last 3 starts this has been a problem for him. The fastball he had some with pinpoint accuracy and some all over.
The change was excellent when he threw it. Admittedly I didn’t see all 6 innings but I saw something totally different than Manuel did.
by pedrophile on Aug 23, 2025 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Interesting
I didn’t watch tonight as I wanted to get a look at Enny Romero… here are Manuel’s tweets for those that didn’t see them:
johnmanuelba John Manuel
Moore fastball sitting 93-95 so far; both leadoff men have reached as Brandon Snyder led off 2nd with double.
johnmanuelba John Manuel
Moore’s change is off tonight; he gets bailed out on nubber off bat of Rhyne Hughes, JJ Furmaniak throws out runner at plate. F9 ends inning
johnmanuelba John Manuel
Moore already has given up 3 hits in 2 IP; his high in previous 6 Triple-A starts is 5. Intriguing to see how he adjusts w/out change
johnmanuelba John Manuel
Moore’s been missing up a lot so far, change has been off and he hasn’t thrown many curves #Rays
johnmanuelba John Manuel
Josh Bell has been tardy on several swings vs. Moore, becomes strikeout victim 191. Still don’t see Moore reaching double digits in Ks 2nite
johnmanuelba John Manuel
So Matt Moore is done: 6 IP, 6 H, 0 R, 1 BB, 6 SO, so 194 SO for season in 142.2 IP, ERA is 0.89 in #Durham, 1.83 overall
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by Jeff Reese on Aug 23, 2025 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions
well
I didn’t see a 95
Saw several excellent changeups
He couldn’t locate the curve but that is a problem that is getting worse over the last 3 games. Maybe he is hitting a wall.
I’m pretty sure it was 4 hits in the first 2 innings and then a broken bat single in the 3rd.
not impressed with those tweets
by pedrophile on Aug 23, 2025 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions
manuel
Isn’t he usually up in the press box for Durham games?
by mrkupe on Aug 23, 2025 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions
what he says makes no sense to me
FWIW I have seen every AAA game of Moore’s, missed a few innings here and there. From what I have seen:
Fastball has been excellent and command better than advertised. The last few starts velocity and command have deteriorated a little. Maybe he is hitting a wall?
Curve has been excellent at times but more of a chase pitch. Earlier it was close to the zone or in the zone but the last several starts it wasn’t hittable but was much easier to lay off.
Change has always been excellent. But when he is feeling the pressure he goes away from the change. Moore hasn’t learned to trust his best pitch yet. The game against Colombus showed that.
by pedrophile on Aug 23, 2025 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Hmmm
The stadium had him hit 95 but only a few times after the 4th inning, i.e late in the game. I sit 3B side, but Moore was throwing (and getting outs with) the changeup early and often.
I’m not a professional scout by any means, but I would likewise say that to critique the changeup tonight (and not emphasize his pitch sequencing, which was noticeably different) seems odd.
by Nick Christie on Aug 23, 2025 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions
for example the game against Oliver (Detroit affiliate)
both pitchers sat 95 with Moore hitting 96 frequently. The start after that Moore was consistently at 95. And from what I hear the Tampa gun is fair or slow but not known as fast.
I didn’t see much after the 4th. Early in the game I’m surprised about the critique on the change. The problem was the fastball velocity and Moore’s trust in it. And his worsening command of the curve. At least IMO.
by pedrophile on Aug 23, 2025 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Notes are up now at BB on him and Garrett Gould
In short, he was raw.
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by Jeff Reese on Aug 24, 2025 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Different Pitcher tonight
I was at the stadium tonight, and the Matt Moore I saw tonight was different then I’ve previously seen. At his last home start he was explosive with the fastball, 95-97, and hammering hitter into submission early in counts before using the changeup and curve more and more as the innnings went on.
Tonight it was the opposite. His fastball was 92-94 and he worked backwards from the get-go. Lots of changeups and curves from an early point. I disagree that he didn’t have his changeup working; it might not have been as sharp, but he was throwing the change and the curve a lot more than usual. He’d throw five pitches to a batter with only one fastball, even.
Still, he showed great pitchability. I initially thought that he was working heavily with the off-speed at the team’s request, but maybe he could sense the fastball wasn’t it’s best… hard to say. All-around presence was quite good, though. He picked a guy off first (who broke far too early for second against a lhp) and got a soft grounder to 3B to get a guy out at home. He was certainly quite good, but he was noticeably different as a pitcher tonight given his velocity and his pitch sequences.
I watched him warm-up pre-game from a few feet away; all smiles really, so no alarms there.
by Nick Christie on Aug 23, 2025 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions
thanks for the post, I'm not losing my sanity
Manuel’s post was totally the opposite of what I saw.
It seemed his fastball didn’t have the velocity and the location was off a bit. Change was as usual.
IMO he is experiencing a dead arm phase. The last 3 starts he has had trouble with offspeed and the fastball velocity is now suffering.
by pedrophile on Aug 23, 2025 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I thought I saw a plus-change-up, too. I don’t follow the road starts via pitchfx, so his velocity could be down for awhile. Last start I saw was a few weeks ago. His curve has never been sharp when I’ve seen it; lots in the dirt. Still, guys keep swinging at it so at least he’s not tipping.
by Nick Christie on Aug 23, 2025 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions
last start the velocity was a touch less but control of the curve weak
the start before he had velocity but less control of the curve. Before that he was 95 and higher all game and the curve was much better.
FYI: I always thought the curve was more of an outside the zone pitch whereas the change is something he can locate in the zone. That’s why I like that pitch a lot more.
by pedrophile on Aug 23, 2025 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions
That's Interesting
Certainly the curve is outside the zone and the change is in the zone, but the question is whether that’s by design or by default. It’d be intriguing if he actively had a philosophy of “I’ll never hang a curve,” and simply throws it at a guy’s ankles intentionally. In warm-ups actually he was bouncing it at times, too.
by Nick Christie on Aug 23, 2025 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions
thats a good theory
when he faced the Yankees affiliate and was facing ARod he was throwing curves with way more break than depth. More like a slider. But they were useless pitches since he was backdooring it - instead of a heavy dropping backdoor pitch it ran inside and almost hit him. Obviously there wasn’t any swings and a 1-2 count where ARod was very late on the fastball became a walk.
I don’t know what the issue is. I do know it became much worse under pressure and the rest of the game he never got that normal curve back. And he really went away from the change as well.
Still the best pitching prospect in baseball but a few areas he can work on ;)
by pedrophile on Aug 23, 2025 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions
maybe I'm mistaking this for somebody else, but
I seem to recall somebody (pedrophile?) noting not all that long ago that Moore has a tendency to tip his breaking ball, although as you said, people don’t seem to be picking it up if that is the case.
by mrkupe on Aug 23, 2025 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I think you're referring to the post by imperialism
And I don’t really think it’s an issue. There is a slightly bigger pump occasionally when he throws his fastball, but I think it’s there when he throws the off speed as well, just to a more subtle extent.
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by Jeff Reese on Aug 24, 2025 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions
also from Durham, Tim Beckham
2-4, HR, K
by walnut falcons on Aug 23, 2025 9:48 PM EDT reply actions
Still not good, laterally
Beckham’s an odd sort to watch at SS. He is certainly noticeably big in person, but moreover, he didn’t appear to hustle much in the field. He showed decent hands on a double-play catch and pitch, but he failed to dive or make a huge effort for three balls that went narrowly by him. His lateral range isn’t great. I have to join the choruses of others who see him as a 2B long-term, especially with the slick-fielding Korean in AA.
Good to see show some power tonight, though. Roughly 395 feet to left-center off Chris Tillman.
by Nick Christie on Aug 23, 2025 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Luke Jackson
Another tough outing: 3.1IP 7H 8R 4ER 5BB 2K. That’s 15 runs allowed (11 earned) over his last three appearances (6.1 IP).
by blackoutyears on Aug 23, 2025 9:49 PM EDT reply actions
breathe through your eyeballs, Luke
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by t ball on Aug 24, 2025 1:11 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Nice...
Any word on whether the garters are working?
by blackoutyears on Aug 24, 2025 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions
works for me
oh, wait, you were talking about something else.
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by t ball on Aug 25, 2025 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions
running out of gas...
JD’s like, "you want some f*&#ing pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, b*#&hes;!"- RCCook
LSB: "Oh s#*t, JD. You crazy!"
by laxtonto on Aug 24, 2025 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions
He's been one of the bigger disappointments this year
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by Jeff Reese on Aug 23, 2025 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions
This is nuts
Didn’t even allow an XBH. 8 singles and 3 walks in fewer than two innings. But hey, his home park is tough or something. Right.
by blackoutyears on Aug 23, 2025 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions
at what point do you look
at the organization and wonder if they don’t have a hand in the struggles of their pitchers. Does Colorado have a philosophy of dictating what they want than to adapt what the pitcher has in terms of mechanics and training regimen? Is it poor scouting or just bad picks, maybe even a string of bad luck? Reynolds, Friedrich, Matzek, Morales Weathers and now Tago is struggling out the gate, I know a some of these guys still have some time but whats going here? I looked over their draft history and you have to go back to Jeff Francis to find a pitcher drafted in the first 5 rounds that contributed anything at the major league level for the Rockies, Rex Brothers aside. Why can’t they develop any of these pitchers?
http://www.thebaseballcube.com/draft/teamsdraft.asp?T=10
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by Da.aron on Aug 24, 2025 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Careful
you’re bucking for a dressing down from angry Rox fans. It has been discussed here recently that they seem to have had better luck with their Latin pitchers (Jimenez, Chacin, Nicasio) than they have their U.S. draftees.
by blackoutyears on Aug 24, 2025 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions
I've recently had to add Rockies prospects to my list of "players you're better off never saying anything bad about"
by mrkupe on Aug 24, 2025 12:28 AM EDT up reply actions
haha indeed
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by Jeff Reese on Aug 24, 2025 8:54 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm not really critisizing
the players, I think it’s more the organization that needs to be looked at.
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by Da.aron on Aug 24, 2025 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
I attribute it more to the great staff in Latin countries (particularly the DR) than to *just* luck...
No dressing down here, though…lol.
by dbreer23 on Aug 24, 2025 1:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes,
saying that someone has had more luck with one group than the other means that it’s just luck. What do they teach in schools these days? lol
by blackoutyears on Aug 24, 2025 2:46 AM EDT up reply actions
well when you've
drafted 24 pitchers since 2002 in the first 5 rounds out of 51 picks not counting this last year and almost every one can be categorized as failed or struggling, I believe it’s moved beyond bad luck with a pitcher attrition rate. The only real contributions to the MLB team have been from Jeff Francis and Rex Brothers, and that’s unacceptable. Those picks have incredible value and to receive almost no return on them is a failure as an organization. If I were the Rockies Owner, GM, and even fans, I would take a serious look at what is going on, the results speak for themselves.
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by Da.aron on Aug 24, 2025 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions
You're missing my point.
The phrases “I’ve had better luck with this than that” or “I haven’t had much luck with that” are not meant to be taken literally as the speaker believing that the situation is determined (completely or even signficantly) by luck. It’s a figure of speech.
by blackoutyears on Aug 24, 2025 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL..."what are they teaching in schools"
I’m betting that I am older than you are…I just took your statement more literally than was intended.
by dbreer23 on Aug 24, 2025 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions
They have done a fantastic job of identifying IFAs
And the remarkable thing is that most of them are under the radar type of guys that they sign during the winter, rather than July.
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by Jeff Reese on Aug 24, 2025 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Skaggs
9 2-hit innings but will not get the CG unless the Baybears score in the bottom of the 9th in a 1-1 game
9 IP, 2 H, 1 R (HR), 7/2 K/BB
Minor quibble is that he’s given up homers in 3 straight starts. On the other hand, he’s only given up 4 runs in those starts with a 21/3 K/BB ratio
by bbtng on Aug 23, 2025 10:30 PM EDT reply actions
B+ or A-?
I’m leaning heavily towards B+ . . .he’s come a long way as a pitcher, but his stuff seems more across-the-board solid than frontline starter caliber.
by mrkupe on Aug 23, 2025 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Have there been any recent reports on his stuff?
I know its complete conjecture, but based on his rise up prospects lists this season (especially Law who seems to love upside and jumped his ~50 spots) I’m guessing we’ll hear some pretty strong reports on his stuff this offseason.
by nixa37 on Aug 23, 2025 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Though I would be really surprised if anyone called his stuff ace caliber
I guess it depends in part on what you mean by front line caliber. If you buy he has the stuff to be a good #2, then he probably deserves an A-.
by nixa37 on Aug 23, 2025 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions
my best knowledge of him
High 80s low 90s fastball, plus breaking stuff, shows potential for good changeup, projection to add velocity. But for some reason, it seems like nobody on the net has actually seen him pitch this year other than his short stint in the Futures Game, and “I saw him do it in the Futures Game” isn’t all that useful for anything other than a drinking game. There’s obviously little to complain about numbers-wise.
by mrkupe on Aug 23, 2025 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Its is strange that no one seems to have a report on him
You gotta think either the velocity or the change has taken a step forward though. Either that or everyone is just moving him up based on the numbers.
by nixa37 on Aug 23, 2025 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions
The only stuff I've seen
jibes with kupe’s post, and that is what we saw at the Futures Game. I’ll say that his breaking ball is much improved from the big slow curve he threw out of HS and he’s added a lot of good mass to what was a thin frame as a senior just as I’d expected. I felt he was a pitchability guy with some physical projection back then, and that feel may be what’s carrying him to some degree. I really liked the delivery I saw last year on video. Great extension out front, gets out over the front leg, uses his height.
by blackoutyears on Aug 23, 2025 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Have you seen any reports outside of the Futures Game?
Just curious what else is out there on him currently. I just really have trouble seeing Law moving him up so far based pretty much only on stats. Maybe he just didn’t buy the change at all before the season or something and now he’s comfortable that its average.
by nixa37 on Aug 23, 2025 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Just scattered stuff
on AZ fansites, but then I think his stuff is pretty good as is for a LHP, even if the velo hasn’t ticked up as I’d hoped, so I haven’t really questioned his buzz. I’ve had him as a likely MoR starter with #2 potential, and that’s where he still is for me. I’m not a list guy, so I’m not sure where that would rank him, or what letter grade he’d get.
by blackoutyears on Aug 23, 2025 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions
fwiw
the last time i listened to a Skaggs start, the opposing announcer said he was throwing 92-94 mph on his fastball
also, Jim Callis has said on chats that Skaggs is likely a #2, and that his stuff is a tick below Pomeranz
by blue bulldog on Aug 26, 2025 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions
What was the announcer
calling the velo from, though? The stadium gun? I haven’t read one report the last two years that has him sitting 92-94 for an entire game. I wouldn’t be surprised if he got there some day. He’s still got physical projection left.
by blackoutyears on Aug 26, 2025 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Sounds like it might have been a bit hot
But the report right below has him 90-93 (though I know nothing about the reliability of the source), so 92-94 doesn’t sound out of the question. If you figure the gun is 1-2 MPH fast, then the numbers agree perfectly. It does sound like he’s added a bit of velocity like many have projected. Like you said, he doesn’t need it to be a good pitcher, but it certainly wouldn’t hurt.
by nixa37 on Aug 26, 2025 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions
this
i’m more inclined to believe he’s pitching around 90-93 mph…which honestly is good enough i think, considering how good the curveball is supposed to be
it probably speaks more that Callis thinks of Skaggs as a #2 (which implies two plus pitches). you can also use Pomeranz as a benchmark…as Callis apparently thinks Skaggs stuff is just a tick below.
as for the statistical perspective…..Skaggs is a freaking beast. if you look at Southern League pitchers with the minor league strikeout percentage he has…in comparable batters faced….the top five pitchers are Paxton, Moore, Rubby, Skaggs, Vizcaino. that’s pretty great company to be in.
look at similar statistical profiles in the Southern League for starting pitchers the past few years. in 2007, you have Johnny Cueto, Gio Gonzalez, James McDonald. in 2008, you don’t have anyone, but Tommy Hanson and Jeremy Hellickson were the top two strikeout leaders. in 2009, you have Daniel Hudson. in 2010, you have Kyler Newby and Mike Minor.
if Tyler Skaggs turned out to fall around the average of all those pitchers…i’d be pretty excited as a Dbacks fan.
by blue bulldog on Aug 26, 2025 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Like I said,
“his stuff is pretty good as is for a LHP” and " I’ve had him as a likely MoR starter with #2 potential". Seems like we’re talking in circles at this point.
by blackoutyears on Aug 26, 2025 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions
i'm just providing additional information...
not arguing about anything….
by blue bulldog on Aug 26, 2025 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Not sure if you would call it a scouting report
but this is from July
http://bloguin.com/theoutsidecorner/2011-articles/july/coming-around-the-corner-tyler-skaggs.html
Don’t think he’ll end up being an ace but there aren’t that many at major league level anyway. Certainly can see him being a #2 or 3 in a strong rotation.
by bbtng on Aug 24, 2025 12:02 AM EDT up reply actions
This seems
realistic. And the first comment is from Charlie Saponara, who shot the 2010 video I referred to above.
by blackoutyears on Aug 24, 2025 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions
I'll go... weak A-
Stuff plays up because he’s lefthanded, gives him higher potential than just MoR.
Plus I’m a sucker for these guys with sick K/BB rates at AA/AAA.
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by OremLK on Aug 24, 2025 5:48 AM EDT up reply actions
What will Towers do this September?
Parker is coming back from TJ surgery and they’ve been watching his pitch count
Skaggs is just 20 and has pitched over 140 innings already
Bauer was in college just recently where he pitched a lot
by bbtng on Aug 24, 2025 1:39 AM EDT up reply actions
My boy Alonso
3-4 with a walk. HR in his first AB, double with 2 on and 2 outs in a tie game top of the 9th to score the go-ahead runs. .448 avg, .529 OBP, .759 SLG so far this year in the majors. Only 3 Ks in 34 PA.
by auclairkeithbc on Aug 23, 2025 10:34 PM EDT reply actions
He's looked really good
He’s a lot quieter at the plate now, and he doesn’t drift back when he loads. He’s showing great pitch recognition and he’s driving the ball on a line. He and Sappelt really came through today. I wish to hell we had a place to play him.
by blackoutyears on Aug 23, 2025 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Here's something interesting
Yonder is from Miami and had over 200 friends and family at the game. This has to be one of the best days of his life.
by auclairkeithbc on Aug 23, 2025 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Yep
Played for the Hurricanes too. You could tell he was on cloud nine in the post game interview. Really happy for him and his family. And the good news is that his entourage helped double the Marlins normal attendance, so it’s one of the best days of Jeffrey Loria’s life too.
by blackoutyears on Aug 23, 2025 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions
ha
Loria’s had some good days, like every day he looks at his bank account.
by auclairkeithbc on Aug 23, 2025 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Asher Wojciechowski: 6.0 IP, 6H, 1ER, 0BB, 5K
has been better recently
Gose: 1/4, 3R, 2B, BB, SB(60)
D’Arnaud: 2/5, 2B, pickoff runner at 2B
McDade: 0/3, 2BB’s is nice to see
Sanchez rough debut in Vancouver: 1.2 IP, 4H, 5ER, 4BB, 2K
by Waveburner on Aug 23, 2025 10:50 PM EDT reply actions
re:
That was his box from monday night… tonight he went 1-4 with a 2b
by PhillyPhanatic on Aug 24, 2025 4:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Still a beast though!
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by OremLK on Aug 24, 2025 5:42 AM EDT up reply actions
i hate to rain on anyone's parade
but a 23 year old with Gary Brown’s experience in HiA SHOULD be hitting like this.
by apoxonbothyourhouses on Aug 24, 2025 8:09 AM EDT up reply actions
He's 22
But it’s not just the numbers, I really like what I see from him at the plate in the video I’ve seen.
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by OremLK on Aug 24, 2025 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Date fail
In today’s game, Gyorko was 3-3 with a walk and double.
The homer line was yesterday.
by realitypolice on Aug 23, 2025 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Dom Brown
3 for 3 with two walks. He’s sort of been in the doldrums at Lehigh, so good to see.
by blackoutyears on Aug 23, 2025 11:16 PM EDT reply actions
Sano
1-3, 2 BB, SB
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by OctaShields on Aug 23, 2025 11:23 PM EDT reply actions
Christian Villanueva
3 for 5. 8 for 16 in his last four games with two doubles and three homers. The 30 SB in 35 attempts may be as impressive as anything. Really kicking myself for passing on him and Corcino this spring despite strong hunches on both.
by blackoutyears on Aug 23, 2025 11:29 PM EDT reply actions
SB
Jason Cole noted in a tweet that he had knee surgery a couple years ago. I take that as a good sign that he’s fully healthy now.
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by t ball on Aug 24, 2025 1:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Tim Wheeler
3 for 4 with a double and a walk. He’s been really streaky of late.
by blackoutyears on Aug 23, 2025 11:30 PM EDT reply actions
Oberholtzer
7.2IP 4H 0R 1BB 7K. Best start since the trade.
by blackoutyears on Aug 23, 2025 11:34 PM EDT reply actions
Telvin Nash
3 for 4, 2 2B, HR
interesting prospect, ex defensive end with some big power (13 HR in 225 AB, even coming off a broken hamate). He also has a solid 11% walk rate, but until he cuts down on his immense strikeout totals he’s probably just a fringe C+ guy. He is still just 20 though, so there’s potential there.
by kyuss94 on Aug 23, 2025 11:44 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Reinier Roibal
6 IP, 3 H (singles), 0 R, 5 K, 0 BB. This guy was supposedly the 2nd best Cuban pitcher after Chapman when he signed with the Giants. He’s having a pretty nice year in A- ball, but he’s 22, and I’d think he’d be on a faster track. Anyway, he’s an interesting prospect.
by auclairkeithbc on Aug 23, 2025 11:58 PM EDT reply actions
Jonathan Singleton
3-4, 3 singles
I have to think that the Astros have had him change his approach to make more contact… It’s worked fine in the bandbox in Lancaster, but I’m not so sure it will when he makes the jump toAA
by kyuss94 on Aug 24, 2025 12:30 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Seems like jumping to conclusions a bit?
Unless you saw somewhere that they’ve done that… kind of a small sample size we’re dealing with here.
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by OremLK on Aug 24, 2025 12:55 AM EDT up reply actions
I think hes either pressing trying to impress new organization or hes trying to get back in
a groove with his original swing. The Phils reportedly had been trying to tinker with his swing this season.
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by StrosSouth on Aug 24, 2025 12:58 AM EDT up reply actions
I realize that the sample is a bit small
But to see the K/BB change so much upon the trade makes me think something is afoot
by kyuss94 on Aug 24, 2025 1:04 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
It hasn't changed
. . . he is striking out about the same amount, about once a game. The walks are down but, all he’s doing is showing that he can HIT. You can’t please everybody eh? So many people were bitching about his power, now in the midst of a longball binge, you are bitching about his walks.
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by casejud on Aug 24, 2025 1:10 AM EDT up reply actions
No it isn't
He’s striking out significantly more than he was in Clearwater:
Clearwater K%: 22
Lancaster K%: 31
I speculated a couple days ago that he might be swinging for the fences now that he’s playing in a league that rewards such activity. I don’t think it’s a big concern right now.
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by Jeff Reese on Aug 24, 2025 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Game
two of a doubleheader
Marte 1-3, 2B, K
Tony Sanchez 2-3, HR
Be really nice to see him heat up in August.
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by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Aug 24, 2025 12:33 AM EDT reply actions
Lucas Doo Duh is a frickin beast!
by John Black on Aug 24, 2025 12:36 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
What do you guys think of Jimmy Paredes' swing on this blast he hit today?
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by OremLK on Aug 24, 2025 12:53 AM EDT reply actions
I watched him pretty closely
when CIN played you guys at the beginning of the month and he’s interesting. The swing was electric as you saw there, but it’s also loose and not really repeated, and he can absolutely be pitched too. Not sure what to project for him long term as the first thing I did was look up his minor league numbers and, bingo, he rarely walks. Of the three young guys I focused on, I definitely liked Altuve’s and Martinez’s chances better than Paredes’s after those three games, but that’s not to say that he’s not a guy. I thought he played a solid 3B in the series as well, which helps. I just think there could be a pretty challenging adjustment by the league in his future.
by blackoutyears on Aug 24, 2025 1:07 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree with all of that
The BB/K numbers in the minors are pretty bad and his plate approach seems to be holding him back some. I was pleasantly surprised by both his swing and his defense though and I might have to upgrade him from the C+ I had him at before (although he’s about to lose prospect eligibility if he hasn’t already).
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by OremLK on Aug 24, 2025 1:09 AM EDT up reply actions
This kid has really impressed me
I expected him to struggle quite a bit in houston, but he has held his own at the dish and flashed some nice leather at 3rd. He also looks like he could fill out some to me, I think there is some untapped power potential here.
by kyuss94 on Aug 24, 2025 1:08 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
generally speaking, I actually like him
I think a little more physical maturation could really help him along in terms of body control. I’m not sure whether or not he’ll be able to put everything together, but it’s a good match of organization and player.
by mrkupe on Aug 24, 2025 1:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Its true
. . . they certainly have nothing but time, aren’t going anywhere soon. Looking at Paredes he certainly looks like a guy who would really be served by a year in AAA ball though - 3b is really new to him and, the kind of pitchers who dwell in AAA would be good for him to face i think.
I like the skillset though. When is the last time you have seen a switch-hitting third baseman with pop and speed, who apparently has a pretty nice glove as well? Interesting player.
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by casejud on Aug 24, 2025 1:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Taveras
3-4, double, bb - pushes his avg back up to .371, while walking more than k’ing in August
by hybrid on Aug 24, 2025 3:33 AM EDT reply actions
hammer'n Joe Benson 3-4 , 2 BB
1 CS
Liriano, Mijares, Angel Morales, & Anthony Swarzak for Josh Johnson and Brad Hand
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Aug 24, 2025 3:52 AM EDT reply actions
Betances
Anyone notice his box score? 3ip w/ 4K’s and 9bb’s!!!! Yes you read that correctly NINE walks. Amazingly enough he only allowed 1 run. WTF, I can’t recall the last time I saw a pitcher Majors or Minors walk 9 batters in a game. But at least he proved he can work tough situations only surrendering that one run. But still WOW!
by PhillyPhanatic on Aug 24, 2025 4:07 AM EDT reply actions
That line highlights why I'm still not a Betances fan
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by Jeff Reese on Aug 24, 2025 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions
That and he doesn't look like a pitcher IMO. Just screams reliever to me
by pedrophile on Aug 24, 2025 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I think the two things are related
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by Jeff Reese on Aug 24, 2025 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions
agreed
and when I say he doesn’t look like a pitcher part of that is he looks like a thrower. Part of it is a lack of athleticism on the mound. I just don’t see him making drastic changes and keeping the stuff, thus I think he becomes a very good reliever.
by pedrophile on Aug 24, 2025 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions
JBJ
Jackie Bradley Jr made his pro debut last night with the Lowell Spinners in NYP League.
He went 0-3, Kd once, walked two times, and came around and scored both times.
He’s a favorite of mine. I love his all-around game. I’m not sure how he projects as a pro but, I’ll be rooting for him.
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by casejud on Aug 24, 2025 7:23 AM EDT reply actions
Some others
Marcell Ozuna- 1/5, 2 R, HR (22). I think this guy is overlooked even within his own system (an almost entirely underwhelming one) - sublime tool set, has adjusted in his first full exposure to full season activity & he’s still a baby.
Kyle Parker - 1/4, 2B, 2 K
Trayce Thompson- 1/4, 2B, BB, K
Derek Dietrich - 2 for 5, 2 R, RBI
Mason Williams: 2/4, BB, R. Just turned 20 & having a really nice year.
by Matt0330 on Aug 24, 2025 10:09 AM EDT reply actions
Jacob Realmulto (the dude who homered off of Strasburg) had two bombs tonight. He’s been getting some buzz as a legit prospect.
by limozeen on Aug 24, 2025 1:52 PM EDT reply actions
wasn't he a 3rd round pick?
Seems like he’d in position to be a legit guy anyways.
As poorly as this organization is run, they still end up finding some interesting guys. I really loved the Hernandez kid they got in the first round.
by mrkupe on Aug 24, 2025 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Jose Fernandez?
It’s funny because I heard very little buzz about his signing and he is a really interesting arm. He could earn that $2MM pretty easily.
by blackoutyears on Aug 24, 2025 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Joel Carreno was promoted to the Jays from AA and pitched a couple innings scoreless in relief.
by limozeen on Aug 24, 2025 2:04 PM EDT reply actions
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