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I went out with my family to try and reduce our stress levels, and I come back to see another flamewar has broken out in the fanpost sections. Warnings have been issued to various people.

I'm getting really tired of this, and will start banning people if this stuff doesn't stop.

This site exists for two reasons.

1) to give me an outlet for prospect analysis.
2) as a forum for discussion about minor league players and prospects among interested fans.

You will note that "attacking people I don't like" isn't on the list. You will also note that "goading people into flamewars using sarcasm" is also not on the list. And finally, "raising John Sickels' blood pressure" is also not on the list.

I have tried to run a loose ship in terms of what people are posting in fanposts, as long as it is relevant to prospect analysis, because discussion and open dialog is how we move forward as thinkers and, I hope, as people. If someone posts something controversial or against conventional opinion, I don't have a problem with that. When people get into interesting and spirited discussions, I think that's great.

But people keep crossing the line into flamewars and personal attacks, and it is really getting tiresome. If you don't agree with someone, disagree POLITELY. This also means that if someone disagrees with you, your first move should not be to respond with defensive sarcasm, or to goad them on into attacking you further. Also note that "he started it" is not a valid defense.

This is the final post I'm making about this, and if further problems arise I'm going to start mass banning of offending parties. I'll not have this website dragged down by trolls or semi-trolls. Capiche?

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Wow, one of our old trolls showed up. Looks like a struck a cord with this one.

by John Sickels on Aug 22, 2025 11:52 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I laughed

But yeah, it’s your board and people should definitely chill if you want. I actually didnt mind it, but I guess there is no need for it.

Cant we all just get along?

I’ve learned quite a bit from this site, and it would help others if all the attacks/flamewars/etc (which I am guilty of at times) quit it.

Solace: Law says he's a fourth OFer
PaulThomas: I think Keith Law is only a fourth analyst

by hero66 on Aug 22, 2025 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Who showed up?

"When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are all in confederacy against him."
-Jonathan Swift

by King Billy Royal on Aug 23, 2025 1:43 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

IS JOBA BACK?

That guy was dope.

by The Colonel on Aug 23, 2025 2:18 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's capisce,

capisce? ;-p

by blackoutyears on Aug 25, 2025 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey John

Thank you for stepping in. Much needed post. Just thinking, perhaps the best way to help the site would be to break down posts into more categories. Not sure if that’s possible, of course, but it might help. Breaking it down into fantasy questions, head to heads, etc might help to filter out people who are just hellbent on trashing every comp post. Or you could just make everyone who violates your rules look at this picture I found while gooling Tommy Hanson: http://www.wallpaperbase.com/wallpapers/celebsm/tommyhansen/tommy_hansen_1.jpg

by Mets2k9 on Aug 23, 2025 12:08 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Thanks John

I appreciate your hard work and know how stressful it can be at time trying to moderate this site. When I was compiling the top 150 list last year, I learned how many headaches you must go through. My team of doctors and I often laughed that I shouldn’t continue due to the unneeded stress!!!

I agree with you that people need to be open to different view points and not attack their fellow community members just because they disagree with something they say. Just present your argument and if they choose to disagree with it, or counter your argument, that is okay. This site is great when ALL people are encouraged to participate and things aren’t dictated by others.

"When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are all in confederacy against him."
-Jonathan Swift

by King Billy Royal on Aug 23, 2025 1:43 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Surprised no one's done it so far

But absolutely, unequivocally, 100% rec’d.

"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet

What a fool I was to defy him"

-HST

by Mark Himmelstein on Aug 23, 2025 2:18 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Reccing front page posts is kind of pointless-- it doesn't do anything

Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving

by PaulThomas on Aug 23, 2025 3:08 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's the thought that counts.

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Aug 23, 2025 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sure it does

See that little “recs” counter at the bottom of the post, lol.

"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet

What a fool I was to defy him"

-HST

by Mark Himmelstein on Aug 23, 2025 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey

it is not pointless you stu….never mind.

by wobatus on Aug 24, 2025 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

hehehe

I was about to say something similar… :0

Coffee. The NEW Performance Enhancing drug for Sport's Writers. Just ask Ken Rosenthal.

by 306008 on Aug 27, 2025 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Andrew Bailey

Doubt he wins it but has to be in consideration. Yes, his team is struggling but thats really out of his control.
3rd lowest AL closers era after nathan, rivera
tied for 3rd among mlb reliever K’s broxton, wuertz, tied w/ soriano

Skipped AAA and pitched his way onto the mlb team due to injuries to pitchers such as Joey Devine.
was a 24 yr old sp in AA this time last yr, but got blasted and switched to relief. He was older than most other A’s reliever prospects at the time w/ Carignan/Webb/Lansford/Hrod in AA, Demel/Italiano in high A. So if he didnt switch to relief he might have been off the prospect radar due to age and struggles. Maybe even repeating the AA level as a 25 yr old in 09.

by Asfan4ever723 on Aug 23, 2025 4:49 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

qué?

I think you posted in the wrong post haha. But I do agree

by Mets2k9 on Aug 23, 2025 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't really understand why folks get so upset about this stuff.

It’s a blog. Skip posts you don’t like.

I personally enjoy almost any spirited debate, even if I think (like with Dewey Finn) that the opinions stated are wrong.

by nivarsity on Aug 23, 2025 11:29 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Still

Its about making sure that these types of posts don’t happen again, that evolve into flame wars. Stuff gets out of hand when people just decide that they don’t want to criticize creatively

by MartyMcFly on Aug 23, 2025 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Its fine when its just a debate

And even a bit more. But when it degenerates into a flame war and people accusing people of doing things, then its just obnoxious.

"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet

What a fool I was to defy him"

-HST

by Mark Himmelstein on Aug 23, 2025 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've been a mederator

at a site where one or two people just wanted to argue all the time. For months we didn’t ban, we just warned, and by the time we got around to banning other idiots showed up and the place was impossible to read, because it was just devolving into hundreds of personal attacks, your mama jokes and similar nonsense.

Honest debate is fine, but you do need to keep a lid on the flame wars, lest your site turn completely unreadable. (I don’t think this blog is in any danger of that, but it’s still important to keep tabs on it and throw out warnings and bans from time to time.)

by Cormican on Aug 24, 2025 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Moderator

drats.

by Cormican on Aug 24, 2025 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's about following the rules.

Not about how they only apply to one or two people…

Coffee. The NEW Performance Enhancing drug for Sport's Writers. Just ask Ken Rosenthal.

by 306008 on Aug 27, 2025 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Was it that big of a deal?

I thought the post itself was funny (of course, I wrote it, but still), and is this such a serious venue that an occasional post can’t be humorous, or have inside jokes?

I’m not going to grovel and ask for forgiveness, if it was my mock Dewey & King Billy post that is the reference point of this post; no one was actually upset about it but one person, who apparently is on some sort of one-man crusade maybe. Dewey & King Billy thought it was funny, and I was mostly poking fun at what I perceived to be their quote-unquote formula: King Billy posting a fairly normative ranking, Dewey putting together an idiosyncratic list and then just posting seemingly arbitrary justifications when pressed (Josh Thole is going to bat 340 in the majors, etc). I was just satirizing them, which doesn’t seem so scandalous to me.

I can see John’s point on why he started this site, but he shouldn’t be surprised that the fanposts takes on a life of his own; that’s where all the action is. Just look at the amount of discussion that takes place in the right hand menu, where posts regularly get 40 to 100 comments, as opposed to the posts on the main page, which get like 5 to 20 normally. I’m just saying, other than when John is posting grades or top 20s for various teams, 90% of the traffic is generated by people checking out and contributing to the fan posts.

by gogotabata on Aug 23, 2025 11:50 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I disagree...

This is a common perception, that 90% of the traffic is generated by the commenters. Ive read this on dozens of sites, whenever there has been a crackdown on comments. Well, that is comepletely wrong. Yeah, 100 people might comment on every 10th or 20th post, but do you really think that that is indicative of the number of people who visit this site? I sure dont.

First, those 100 comments, and most of the comments in general come from a small group of repeat visitors. Most of the pageviews, and unique pageviews come from (Im guessing based on my own numbers) people doing single, regular visits to the main page. For every person commenting there are 10s or 100s more who just read and move on.

I saw this same argument at Deadspin, KSK, ect…

by ADLC on Aug 23, 2025 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I didn't mind your post

However, I don’t think people should ever impersonate another poster. Lots of posters apparently didn’t realize that you posted the list, they thought Dewey and I were just trying to cause trouble. At first it was funny, but when I realized that people were actually blaming Dewey and I for the post I realized that it probably crossed a line into trying to discredit Dewey and myself. Of course I have no hard feelings, I would just hope that nobody posted a fanpost that misleads people into thinking somebody else created it.

"When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are all in confederacy against him."
-Jonathan Swift

by King Billy Royal on Aug 23, 2025 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I could see that

But I did post it under my own name, and the first sentence read that I was doing the rankings in anticipation for you all. And I tried to do it over-the-top enough (Cookies! Ostriches!) that any sane person would realize it was a parody or satire. Anyway . . .

by gogotabata on Aug 23, 2025 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

I think that the confusion occured because you left in the part that states “Today we will examine the top thirdbase prospects.” Obviously no hard feelings, I just think that people don’t realize that satire or sarcasm don’t translate well to the Internet.

"When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are all in confederacy against him."
-Jonathan Swift

by King Billy Royal on Aug 23, 2025 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1 gogo

Solace: Law says he's a fourth OFer
PaulThomas: I think Keith Law is only a fourth analyst

by hero66 on Aug 23, 2025 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The problem wasn't the attempt at humor

The problem was that it was, at least in part, clearly designed to be malicious, and make one person in particular (who happens to have invested quite a bit into this community) seem like a goat. Doing that is pretty much begging for unnecessary flame wars, whether or not your reasoning was fair. It leads to a degeneration of discourse, which is really what the offensive part of the whole thing is, rather than your particular inclination to make fun. If you had made it clear that you were satirizing one person in particular, and ended by extending an olive branch to KBR and Dewey by thanking them for giving you such rich material, or something of the like, it probably would have helped keep tempers in check.

"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet

What a fool I was to defy him"

-HST

by Mark Himmelstein on Aug 23, 2025 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I must be in that 10% who aren't here for the fanposts...

Coffee. The NEW Performance Enhancing drug for Sport's Writers. Just ask Ken Rosenthal.

by 306008 on Aug 27, 2025 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's not that difficult

It’s John’s blog. Live by his standards. If you don’t like it, don’t post. It’s hard to understand people not accepting and respecting this simple idea.

by jcgobruins on Aug 24, 2025 1:45 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

wow

I missed all the fun. Some flame wars are like a car wreck. Sometimes you have to rubberneck. Although I was really pissed at the yobboes rubbernecking on 13 in Md yesterday at some wreck. Move along folks.

by wobatus on Aug 24, 2025 2:14 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

question for someone smarter than me

if you ban someone can they not just create a new profile and join again? If so… then what is the point of banning…

by kershaw_equals_stud on Aug 26, 2025 9:15 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

banning

I can track things by IP, and have the ability to detect sock puppets and new accounts.

by John Sickels on Aug 27, 2025 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

the beauty of technology.

Coffee. The NEW Performance Enhancing drug for Sport's Writers. Just ask Ken Rosenthal.

by 306008 on Aug 27, 2025 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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