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Maybe you guys can help me and buddy.  We have been argueing the better combo based on which combo will have the best careers.  Dustin Ackley &  Jaff Decker  or Michael Taylor & Reese Havens? 

I won't get into why we are argueing this because it is a pretty goofy reason.  We would just like you all to let us know what u think, and maybe help us settle the debate.  I like the Ackley/Decker combination myself.

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I'd go Ackley and Decker

Love Decker’s bat and if Ackley can play 2B it’s not close.

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by ravensfan3 on Mar 13, 2026 1:22 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

ackley and decker

Even if Ackley goes back to the outfield, I like him better than Taylor. And among the two limited-ceiling guys, I’d guess Decker’s bat > Havens’ bat and glove.

by whichthat on Mar 13, 2026 1:39 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Ackley and Decker

Reese Havens is by far the worst prospect of the four.

I think Ackley is better than Taylor, but that’s up for debate. Not a fan of Decker, but he’s still twice the prospect Havens is.

Not really close. Ackley & Decker.

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by alskor on Mar 13, 2026 2:19 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

There might be an echo in here...

…but I’ll go with Ackley and Decker too.

And I say that as a huge Havens fan. I think I like Taylor a touch more than Ackley, but I don’t see many scenarios in which Havens is a more productive MLB player than Decker.

by PhillyFriar on Mar 13, 2026 2:32 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Yeah I gotta agree

Both that I’m a huge Havens fan and think he’s underrated, but also that this debate really doesn’t seem that close. Ackley vs. Taylor is a huge advantage to the first pair already, and its tough to make any kind of case that Havens makes that ground up.

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by Mark Himmelstein on Mar 13, 2026 4:56 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Ackley and Decker

Ackley is the best prospect of the group and Havens is easily the worst. And I say that as a Mets fan.

by aap212 on Mar 13, 2026 4:37 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

+1

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by huckleberry on Mar 14, 2026 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ackley & Decker

not close

Ackley ~ Taylor. (I think Ackley is better, but it’s debateable)
Decker > Havens.

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by Gobroks on Mar 14, 2026 1:10 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

well

It’s actually like this. Say you need a 2B and OF for the future. You can draft Ackley first to play 2B, but then you have to take Decker as your OF. Or, you can take Taylor first for your OF and then you have to take Havens for 2B.

by memphi on Mar 14, 2026 9:56 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

So what about

Ackley and Havens vs Decker and Taylor? Would that make it more or less debatable?

by cookiedabookie on Mar 14, 2026 11:03 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

not really

cause in that scenario it appears that you would have a choice between each position, but you dont. You can have Ackley(2B) with Decker in the OF, OR you can have Taylor(OF) with Havens at 2B.

by memphi on Mar 14, 2026 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ackley>taylor,havens,decker combined.

ackley has superstar potentintial. in my opinion the other do not

by svigen on Mar 14, 2026 2:59 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I really think Havens has some sleeper superstar upside

But he’ll have plenty of bust and mid-range potential until he does something in the upper levels, too. I feel like the low batting average is being considered way too heavily in his case though. He’s a second baseman (long term anyway) who makes lots of contact (17.0 K%), draws plenty of walks (12.7 BB%), and hits for solid power (.175 ISO, 8.0% HR/BIA). The low batting average wasn’t because he’s swinging and missing, it was because he hit a few too many popups, a more correctable problem than a high K%. He was a bit old for the FSL, but it was the FSL, the lowest run environment in the minors, and he was one of the most productive hitters in the league while trying to play the most demanding defensive position besides catcher.

Part of this is that I feel like Havens is the exact kind of prospect who can take some time to develop, but might not hit his ceiling for quite some time. He’s not some stud athlete whose pure athleticism is suddenly going to take him to the next level. But his offensive game is above average across the board and there’s room for improvement. He even drew more walks than strikeouts vs LHP, a great sign that platoon splits might not be a huge problem. Plus he’s fundamentally sound, enough where he could be come an average or better defender at second despite below average athleticism. You look at the best second baseman in the game right now, even in recent history, and quite a few really didn’t make a significant major league impact until they were 25 or 26, especially ones with a similar type of profile. Chase Utley, Craig Biggio, and Jeff Kent all legit HOF candidates, none were absurdly athletic prospects, all known first for their bat and second their fundamental abilitiy. Biggio, probably the most likely right now to make the hall, didn’t have a wOBA over .350 until he was 27. At 26, Utley was yet to play a full season in the majors, and was coming off a .331 career high wOBA. Through age 29, Jeff Kent consistently had .330-.350 wOBAs, but didn’t become a monster until his age 30 season. Using potential HOFers may be a bit extreme for talking about anyone in HiA, but consider the following more contemporary and less productive semi-stars: Ian Kinsler, Robinson Cano, Ben Zobrist, Aaron Hill, Dan Uggla, Orlando Hudson, Brandon Phillips. None of these guys really became impact players until they got into the second half of their twenties, and the ones who played in the majors prior to that were mostly unproductive and sometimes downright terrible. Its the toolsier shortstops and outfielders and slugging first and third baseman are more often the guys who break in between 20-23. Of course, there are always Dustin Pedroia’s too, but the point is, when talking about second baseman with the type of skillset Havens has, the guys who do eventually hit their ceilings often take some time to do it.

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by Mark Himmelstein on Mar 15, 2026 12:58 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Slow down

Craig Biggio became an above average big league regular when he was Havens’ age. Same with Cano and Kinsler. And Ben Zobrist isn’t a very good comp for just about anyone, giving his radical change in production at 28. Brandon Phillips vastly eclipses him in raw tools, as does Hill. I like Havens a lot, and see him as a solid second baseman, but a lot of your reasoning is generous. You give him credit for his batting as a shortstop, even though you admit he won’t be a shortstop long term. You give him the benefit of the doubt that he’ll break out later because so many of the best second basemen in baseball have broken out late. Couldn’t he just as easily fall off a cliff like so many of the second basemen who aren’t in the majors? Sleeper superstar upside is really, really generous, and your reasoning seems to be too based on why not rather than why.

by aap212 on Mar 15, 2026 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs


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