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Hit-And-Run, May 30, 2009

 

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**Various baseball writers and experts are putting out their Mock Drafts now, and most of them are radically different once you get past Strasburg with the first pick. There is a good reason for this: the draft is still in flux, and even the teams don't have much of a clue about what is going to happen yet. It is all guesswork, conjecture, and rumor at this point, and I think it likely to stay that way up until draft day. I'll post a mock first round for Rotowire this week, and of course next weekend we have our own Minor League Ball Mock Draft.

**Persistent rumors have the Padres, picking third overall, interested in Vanderbilt lefty Mike Minor. I can understand a cash-strapped franchise not wanting to spend a huge amount of money to sign a relatively risky high schooler like Donovan Tate, but Minor seems like an excessive overdraft to me at third overall.

**Rick Porcello Watch: The young right-hander is currently 6-3, 3.48 with a 32/16 K/BB ratio in 51.2 innings for the Tigers, allowing 46 hits. I gave the Tigers some flak for sticking him in the rotation this spring without Double-A or Triple-A experience, but so far it has obviously worked out very well. We'll see what happens in the second half, and how aggressive the Tigers are about limiting his workload when he gets past 100 innings, but he's clearly adjusted very well to the majors. I want to see how things look in August and September before saying "I was definitely wrong," but right now it looks like I might have to eat some crow.

**Phillies outfield prospect Michael Taylor continues to terrorize the Eastern League, hitting .432 with three homers in his last ten games for Reading, giving him a season line of .342/.388/.618 with nine homers and eight steals. It is apparent that the progress he made last year was not just an A-ball fluke. His walk rate isn't great with just 11 in 152 at-bats, but he's struck out just 19 times, which I like a lot. If I were the Phillies, I'd leave him in Double-A until July 1st, then move him up to Triple-A and see how he handles breaking stuff at that level. His tools have always been excellent, but he never really developed his baseball skills at Stanford, falling to the fifth round in 2007. Something clicked last year, and it's still clicking now.

**The relatively late development of a tools guy like Taylor might give hope about a guy like Denny Almonte. Drafted in the second round in 2007 by the Mariners out of high school in Miami, Almonte is an exceptional athlete with strong power/speed potential. He was also incredibly raw when drafted, and has shown just flashes of the skills to make his tools meaningful. He hit .249/.303/.420 with 10 homers, 14 steals, 29 walks, and 149 strikeouts in 374 at-bats last year in the Midwest League. Returning there for 2009, he's hitting .258/.313/.522 with nine homers, considerable power for the level. He has 14 walks against 64 strikeouts in 178 at-bats; the strikeout rate is still terrible, but the walks are better. He's still just 20 and has plenty of time on the clock. Historically-speaking, it is more likely that Almonte will fail than he'll turn out like Taylor, but he won't be abandoned quickly, and he has made a little progress. The Mariners have a history of aggressive prospect promotion. . .will they do the same with Almonte?

**Rangers lefty Martin Perez is having a good full-season debut for Hickory in the Sally League, with a 2.43 ERA and a 50:14 K/BB in 40.2 innings so far, allowing 31 hits with a 1.83 GO/AO ratio. He's been used as both a starter and reliever (five starts, four relief outings) and hasn't been allowed to exceed 5.1 innings in any outing, a workload designed to prevent excess stress on his developing arm. He isn't a big guy at all, just 6-0, 178, but still gets his fastball into the low 90s with plenty of movement. He also has a plus curveball. His changeup needs work but is reportedly coming along well given his age; he's only 18. So far there is little to complain about sabermetrically, and the Rangers seem to be handling him wisely.

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Almonte has been crushing the ball this year...

His SO rate has been terrible, but if he can keep up his walk rate and power, I think he could be a Cameron Maybin type of player.

by soccerman0 on May 30, 2025 3:54 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

But

Is that really a good thing?

I reject your reality and substitute my own.

by WayneCampbell08 on May 30, 2025 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe, Maybe not...

That is just my comparison in terms of the way he is playing this year; my comparison assumes that Almonte will not learn any strike zone judgment while he is in the minors (remember he’s only 20).

I personally beleive he has a similar ceiling to a young Maybin like player. He has a chance to be a star.

by soccerman0 on May 30, 2025 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

everyone compares people to maybin

what has Maybin actually done?

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by trademaker on May 30, 2025 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's actually common practice to compare players to people like Maybin.

Scouts do this all the time. Players that haven’t produced, but have good tools can relate to Maybin. You can’t compare every player to a productive Major Leaguer, as there aren’t really enough Major Leaguers to go around to fit all the types of players you see in the prospect world.

by Andy Seiler on May 30, 2025 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Isn't Taylor's breakout popularly attributed to him being held back in college by "the Stanford swing"?

Would a better toolsy delayed-breakout guy be Daryl Jones?

"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.

by battlekow on May 30, 2025 4:48 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

taylor vs. brown

do most people still see dominic brown as the better prospect?

by miraclemets on May 30, 2025 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

does it matter?

it is kinda fun to follow both of them right now, as they seem to be one upping each other. i got a chance to see both in lakewood last year, and from my point of view, michael taylor is as big as, has as much power potential as, and is more athletic than ryan howard. his physical upside as a hitter is unmatched.

dominic brown is a toolshed with plate discipline, which makes him pretty special. there’s an awful lot to like about his package, but at his best, he has nowhere near the power potential of michael taylor. he can still be a .300/.400/.550 player, but that .550 is gonna be fueled by doubles, triples, and about 20 HRs.

human beings, who are almost unique in their ability to learn from the experiences of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so.

by variablesdont on May 30, 2025 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just for fun ...

Here’s a projected 2011 Phillies lineup:

SS - Jimmy Rollins
3B - Jason Donald
2B - Chase Utley
1B - Ryan Howard
RF - Michael Taylor
CF - Dominic Brown
LF - John Mayberry Jr.
C - someone who throws out 57% of attempted base steals but doesn’t have to hit because by the time he comes up the score is 7-0.

by StickRat on May 31, 2025 2:26 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ummmmm...

Rollins will be OLD. Howard, most likely, will not be there ’cause your Phils are going to let him walk and the others are unproven prospects. I could do the same thing with the Braves…

Projected 2011 Braves Lineup

LF - G. Hernandez
SS - Escobar
3B - Chipper
C - McCann
RF - Heyward
1B - Freeman
2B - K. Johnson
CF - Schafer

And i would say the Braves lineup is as good as your projected Phils one…

However, Chipper won’t be there. If he is, he’s OLD (and will only play 120 games AT MOST). Better still, that’s giving UP Kotchmann for a 3B prospect (and, most likely, Medlen as well)…so…we both can rosterbate, but the issue is whether the lineups are really that good or a product of us overvaluing our prospects.

i think it’s a bit of both.

by apoxonbothyourhouses on May 31, 2025 7:31 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

chipper

barely plays 120 games now, if he is still around in ‘11 i think you’d be lucky to have him play 100 games

by miraclemets on May 31, 2025 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, first off, they aren’t MY Phils. I’m a Giants fan. Second of all, Rollins will be 32 that season, and Howard is under contract through that season. And I’d be willing to bet Chipper Jones is still in a Braves uniform in 2011. And if Jordan Schafer is still hitting eighth in 2011, I’ll be very surprised. He’ll either be at the top of the order, or he won’t be in the order at all.

by StickRat on May 31, 2025 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Padres drafting based on signability?

Shocking.

They really should just trade A-Gon and Peavy and try to get a solid foundation in place. And maybe Chris Young too. Those contracts are a waste for a team that’s not going to contend until they expire.

by Fanon on May 30, 2025 5:26 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

A-Gon isn't going anywhere.

He is a cornerstone of the franchise. The only way he will go is when they can’t pay him at the end of his contract. Also, Peavy will only go if he ever waives his no-trade clause.

Rebuild and Restock.

by trademaker on May 30, 2025 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You're right

And they probably aren’t going to be able to pay him at the end of his contract. If they do it will be stupid, as he’s likely to take up about a quarter of their total payroll.

Right now A-Gon is the cornerstone of a godawful franchise. If the Padres continue to draft based on signability, which is a strong possibility, they’re probably not going to get better. Considering that they aren’t going to get much for Peavy if they can move him at all, it’s going to be real tough.

If the Padres have fallen in love with the idea of a hometown hero and want to make that their trademark, all power to them. But that team is going nowhere with Gonzalez on the roster, which is a pity for both the franchise and for Adrian himself. That contract is much, much more valuable to the Padres as a trading chip than it is to them as a rebuilding team that’s a few years away.

by Fanon on May 31, 2025 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Correction:
The Mariners have a history of aggressive prospect promotion. . .will they do the same with Almonte

Bill Bavasi has a history of aggressive prospect promotion… will Jack Zduriencik do the same?

The answer is probably not. Though he did made a comment about how Aumont could be to the majors faster as a bullpen arm, that isn’t an indication that he or the Mariners are going to keep up Bavasi’s old practices. In fact, at an “off the record” meet up with the USS Mariner / Lookout Landing crew earlier this year, the Mariners scouting team (sans Zduriencik) said they wouldn’t be rushing prospects unnecessarily.

So, yeah, we can put that dog down. The mistakes of the past are just that.

Fans are typically idiots.

by The Typical Idiot Fan on May 30, 2025 9:44 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

This might be even faster this year.

They have a short farm and are probabl going to trade away some starting players and have to go interiem to fill the places.

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by trademaker on May 30, 2025 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yay for mock drafts!

There should be a competition to see which of the mock drafts is most successful on draft day. 32 points for #1, 1 point for #32. Or just a point each…

by Andy Seiler on May 30, 2025 11:12 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Corvus corax are going to be

on the endangered species list after many, many, many people here have their helping of Porcello crow. This off-season, we heard everything from the Tigers needing to trade him for a closer, how it was irrefutable that he couldn’t succeed given his K-rate, that he wasn’t a top 25 prospect and on and on.

Among the arguments I found myself falling back onto while defending my position on Porcello were:

-What he was able to do in Hi-A given context of his restrictions was being grossly under-estimated,

-that his k-rate was in line with some greats (including my favorite comp for him Greg Maddux)

-and that many young pitchers are a lot closer to MLB ready than most people give them credit for. I’d like to hear John’s opinion on this last one. I really think there is a higher percentage of minor league pitchers that would have reasonable success in the majors - including many in the lower levels.

by slurve on May 31, 2025 1:55 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

-“and that many young pitchers are a lot closer to MLB ready than most people give them credit for. I’d like to hear John’s opinion on this last one”

i’ll agree with this, though with a caveat. you need to have a very good idea of what you’re doing if you’re going to have success as a major leaguer. even when a pitcher has the stuff to be successful, it takes more than that to be a productive pitcher.

human beings, who are almost unique in their ability to learn from the experiences of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so.

by variablesdont on May 31, 2025 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

It’s indeed a rare pitcher who can make the big jump, I’m just saying there are more of them out there than people realize.

by slurve on May 31, 2025 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Interesting stuff

But I totally disagree with your last point. The pool of data with regard to the development of young pitchers indicates that most need a very substantial period of time to develop, with even pitchers who have log significant time in the higher minors with plenty of success needing to learn how to pitch in the major leagues. Certainly there are pitchers who exceed the normal development curve, but they are NOT indicative of a greater trend. They tend to be players of truly exceptional talent. Porcello was a hell of an arm as an amateur and had tremendous stuff last year in the minors - the debate around him can be summarized by a phrase that an old professor of mine used to use: “I like you, but I don’t like what you’re doing.” In other words, nobody had an argument with his raw potential (which was immense by any standard), only with the way he was putting that potential to use.

Your argument holds more water if we could assume that most every legitimate prospect has the raw ability and the intangibles of a Rick Porcello, but we can’t, because they don’t. What he is doing right now is anomalous - who was the last guy to be promoted on this kind of schedule and become an All Star caliber pitcher immediately? Would we have to reach all the way back to Dwight Gooden in the mid-1980s?

When you have to go back 25 years to find a decent comparable, it’s pretty clear that this is NOT the norm. Perhaps you could find some minor leaguers who could pitch at, say, slightly above replacement level in the majors, but most likely in short stints and almost certainly not with component statistics that would suggest such performance was sustainable.

What are you looking for in these guys? Command of fastball. At least one secondary pitch that grades out as at least a plus at present. Third or maybe even fourth pitches that are passable enough to let them get through the lineup more than twice, or to overcome lineups that they’re seeing for the second or third time in a season. Those awe-inspiring “mental intangibles” to minimize big innings for opposing lineups. That would seem like a good start to me.

by mrkupe on May 31, 2025 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not quite on same page...

I agree with your post overall. What I was talking about more specifically is that is possible for more pitchers out there to succeed in the majors sooner than the perceived norm. These pitchers are definitely the exception and not the norm as you say. There are a handful of guys out there that are pitching in AA or below that could handle pitching in the majors right now that we won’t see for a few years - most of the reason being the arb clock. My thoughts on Porcello this spring was that he was one of these pitchers and he was not the only one out there capable of pitching in the majors this season.

by slurve on May 31, 2025 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Porcello/Doc/Bonderman

Porcello’s season is decent. FIP of 4.67. And he has gotten better as the season has progressed.

Bonderman also went from A ball at 19 to the majors at 20. And had a FIP of 4.69 in 2003. Almost identical to Porcello’s now. But the season isn’t over yet.

Different pitching styles, obviously. And I don’t know that Bonderman was harmed by coming up early. I thought they might be rushing Porcello, but he has pitched well enough.

Neither of them have anything on Doc. Not sure what league average was, but his FIP in 1984 was 1.69.

Anyway, Porcello had a very nice May, 5-0 and 1.50 e.r.a., but he may not be all-star calibwer yet, and really hsn’t pitched too much better than Bonderman did in 2003. He has a better team behind him and may be a little lucky.

by wobatus on Jun 1, 2025 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

how it was irrefutable that he couldn’t succeed given his K-rate

I believe the argument was that he wasnt a top 5/elite pitching prospect because his K rates werent elite. Not that he “couldn’t succeed.”

by alskor on May 31, 2025 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Meh...

My assertions above are more or less generalizations with the exception of Paul Thomas claiming he wasn’t top 25 material. Oops.

But, as long as we’re here… most people ragging about his K-rate were probably closer to “couldn’t succeed” than they were to “he’s not an elite prospect” as many times we saw people making arguments that he would struggle increasingly as he advanced due to the K rate and ultimately wouldn’t be able to pitch at the major league level due to this. Everyone had a slightly different take, but I think most opinions aligned closer with “couldn’t succeed”.

To your credit, you were able to actually listen to what others here were saying about him and reason that there was something to it - unlike some others such as Thomas who just dug in deeper.

by slurve on May 31, 2025 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You guys sold me

I think even the Porcello supporters can understand the skepticism… k rates are pretty much the first thing I look at - and there’s pretty good reason for it. Porcello was obviously an exception to the rule… the great ones usually are the exceptions to the rule. If we were talking young Pedro Martinez I would probably be pointing out his his thin frame and small stature are negatives…

I guess thats the danger in talking in generalities. Well, lesson learned…

by alskor on May 31, 2025 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

chris davis?

human beings, who are almost unique in their ability to learn from the experiences of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so.

by variablesdont on May 31, 2025 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Has and still has serious contact and patience issues...?

People are miscasting him. Ill acknowledge, of course, the possibility Im wrong on him… but it seems like every new data point supports my position.

by alskor on May 31, 2025 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i guess what i mean is that all too often this community has the tendency to

completely write off a prospect or a guy like porcello for concerns that miss the forrest for the trees. yes, porcello’s K rate was poor, but everything else was pretty damn good, and there were signs that things would come together.

as for chris davis, writing him off would be a massive mistake, as would thinking he cannot improve or will not get better.

human beings, who are almost unique in their ability to learn from the experiences of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so.

by variablesdont on May 31, 2025 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

top 5

Some may have questioned it. he made BP’s top 5.

Bumgarner, price still ahead in my book. Feliz has likely dropped back. Is Porcello better than hanson? Certainly younger. At least we already know Porcello can handle the majors. Then you have guys like Tillman, matusz. BP even had Ynoa pretty high. Porcello likely still ahead of tillman and matusz, but I am sure there are some, maybe not even O’s fans, who might try to make the case. Harder to make the Holland case now too.

Ya know, Jordan Zimmermann has a better FIP. 4.21. Don’t want to get too wed to FIP. The k issue again. Zimmy’s got great k and bb ratios. Maybe he has been unlucky on long balls, but I’d like to se that come down before he compares. And hey, it is the NL after all. :)

by wobatus on Jun 1, 2025 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Perez

FWIW, the only reason Martin Perez has been used in ‘relief’ is because of the Rangers use of the tandem-starter system in Hickory. All of his outings have been at least 4 innings, he has just been a “reliever” half the time when he is the second starter to go. He’ s been pretty damn impressive for a guy who is only 18

by jelder09 on Jun 1, 2025 11:45 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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