Trade Deadline Reactions
Here is my quick take on the deadline trades. I've written up more specific player summaries for Rotowire subscribers.
Cliff Lee Trade: The Indians picked up Carlos Carrasco, Jason Knapp, Jason Donald, and Lou Marson for Lee and Generalissimo Ben Francisco. I like this a lot from Philadelphia's perspective, as they avoid trading their three elite prospects Drabek, Taylor, and Brown. Carrasco has a good arm but his track record is so erratic I'm not sure what to think of him. Knapp has a terrific ceiling but has to prove he can stay healthy. I like him a lot, but he's far from a sure thing at this point. Donald and Marson are useful spare parts. The trade adds depth to the Indians system, but nobody here is a Grade A/A-/B+ prospect yet. I'd rate Knapp as a B right now pending more experience.
Freddy Sanchez Trade: Sanchez is a solid player but he's not going to be part of the next good Pirates team, and Alderson might be even if he develops into "just" an inning-eating strike thrower.. I think this one helps both teams...the Giants can use Sanchez for the stretch run, and they are trading from strength given their pitching depth. Good deal here for both clubs.
Balentien to the Reds for Robert Manuel: Balentien hit poorly in Seattle but given his minor league track record I think he should get more chances; certainly Cincinnati will be an easier place to show his power. Manuel is interesting. Scouts don't like him at all, given mediocre stuff, but his statistical track record is very strong and he racks up strikeouts despite a lack of velocity. He could be very useful in the pen. Overall I like this for both teams.
George Sherrill to the Orioles for Josh Bell and Steve Johnson. I've never been a big Sherrill guy, so I think the Orioles did very well here to pick up a couple of prospects for him. Bell is a solid Grade B guy...his home run power is still developing and I'm not sure what position he plays long run, but I like his strike zone judgment and he's young. Johnson doesn't have blazing stuff, but could be a good inning-eater type, perhaps similar to Brad Bergesen down the road. I'd rate him as a Grade B- prospect right now.
Gorzelanny and Grabow from Cubs to Pirates for Hart, Ascanio, and Harrison. The Pirates swap out two more guys not in their long term plans in exchange for two potential middle relievers and a speedy infielder who doesn't have much power. This looks like a wash to me. Gorzelanny is a home town guy for the Cubs and maybe the change of scenery will help revive his career.
Jarrod Washburn from the Mariners to the Tigers for Lucas French and Mauricio Robles. Washburn's ERA is a fluke, but I can understand why the playoff hunting Tigers would prefer him to French at this point...French is even more of a fluke this year than Washburn is, and Washburn has more experience. Robles has an intriguing strikeout rate, but given his small size probably fits more as a reliever in the long run. I'd call this a short term win for the Tigers, but in the long run the Mariners are probably better off, since they got something for a guy who is (in my opinion) having his last hurrah as a good pitcher.
Orlando Cabrera from the Athletics to the Twins for Tyler Ladendorf. This one also makes sense for both teams. The Twins need a middle infielder, and while Cabrera is getting old and hasn't been effective this year, he's better than what they have available right now. Ladendorf is very toolsy but is a long way from being ready to help. Question: should I make this same trade for the Shadow Twins, given that I did draft Ladendorf last year as the real Twins did?
Dodgers trade Claudio Vargas to Brewers for Vinny Rottino: Not exactly a real blockbuster trade, but I think Vargas has more value.
Reds trade Jerry Hairston Jr. to Yankees for Chase Weems: I don't think Weems is going to amount to much. He's young but it doesn't look like he can hit at all. Basically a veteran dump for the Reds.
Braves trade Kotchman to Red Sox for LaRoche: I don't really get why the Braves did this, although sometimes people just make changes for the sake of making changes. LaRoche has more power, but Kotchman has a better glove, is younger, and costs less. Perhaps the Braves are convinced that Freddy Freeman will be ready to play in 2010 and will let LaRoche go as a free agent.
Scott Rolen from Blue Jays to Reds for Edwin Encarnacion, Josh Roenicke, and Zach Stewart.. This looks like a great trade to me, for the Blue Jays. I really don't understand why the Reds did this....Rolen is old, Encarnacion is young, and they gave up two very good pitching prospects as well. It is true that EE's defense at third base is poor, while Rolen's is still good, but the age differential between the two players and giving up the live arms makes no sense to me given that the Reds aren't in the race.
Victor Martinez from the Indians to the Red Sox for Justin Masterson, Bryan Price, and Nick Hagadone. I do understand this one. The Indians have a great young catcher coming up in Carlos Santana, so trading Martinez makes sense.. Masterson looks like a number three sinkerball starter to me, Price has a live arm and could be good in the pen eventually. Hagadone is a breakthrough candidate once he is further down the road for Tommy John. From Boston's perspective, they add another strong veteran bat, but didn't trade any of their truly elite prospects. Win for both teams.
Jake Peavy from the Padres to the White Sox for Clayton Richard, Aaron Poreda, Adam Russell, and Dexter Carter. One proven excellent (when healthy) starter in exchange for four arms. I like it from San Diego's perspective, given their current situation. Richard can slot into the rotation immediately, and Poreda has a chance to be a closer if his command holds. Russell is an OK middle relief type, while Carter has a live arm and excellent numbers in low-A ball. If Peavy's ankle recovers fast enough he will help the White Sox down the stretch, but I think they gave up quite a bit to get him.
Aaron Thompson from the Marlins to the Nationals for Nick Johnson. Johnson still gets on base at a great clip. Thompson, once a top prospect, has been mediocre since reaching Double-A and looks like a number four starter type now, not anything like an ace. I don't think the Marlins will miss him in particular, so this works for Florida.
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Apparently Beane was going to take Ladendorf the pick after Minnesota, but had to settle for Tyson Ross.
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by Player To Be Named Later on Aug 1, 2025 5:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I can't imagine
that he’s been that heartbroken … Ross is intriguing … and now he gets his guy
by toonsterwu on Aug 1, 2025 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually he was going to take him with the 3rd pick.
Ross was picked before Ladendorf so they had to settle for Paramore
by DeJay on Aug 2, 2025 8:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Move to change his name
So I don’t have to associate anyone with a band as crappy as Paramore.
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by drjayphd on Aug 2, 2025 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Petey?
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by Zonis on Aug 2, 2025 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Zach Stewart
John, what grade would you give him as of today?
by metafour on Aug 1, 2025 5:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Looks a lot like Brett Cecil did this time last season, little less strikeouts so far but better control.
by metafour on Aug 1, 2025 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, B is safe…sort of hard to grade him. Have you heard anything about whether he kept his change (3rd pitch) or not? Most of what I’ve read suggests he has a plus FB/Slider but I’m curious what his success as a starter can be attributed to. If he has managed to keep that change and turn it into an average pitch, he may be able to stick at SP. If not, he probably should move to the pen but either way it should be interesting to see what he does. Very hard to grade at this point I think.
by jfish26101 on Aug 1, 2025 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
His changeup has apparently developed into a usable pitch.
Cinci had every intention of keeping him as a starter, he was only moved back into the bullpen in effort to control his innings this year. There hasn’t been much indication yet what Toronto will do with him but an article from a Toronto writer which covered the trade claimed that the Jays believe he has #3 ability as a starter, and considering that Toronto is probably the king of turning closers into starters I’d assume he will continue to be developed into a starter.
by metafour on Aug 1, 2025 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ve really been wondering about that 3rd pitch, thanks. I can’t wait for the next wave of books to roll out, so many guys I want to know how they have progressed!
by jfish26101 on Aug 1, 2025 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Zach Stewart gonna be a starter or reliever for the Jays?
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by Dewey Finn on Aug 1, 2025 6:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Gorzelanny
I’m really hoping he can get back on track. His stints in the minors last year and this year have been very impressive. I still think there is some untapped talent here.
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by Dewey Finn on Aug 1, 2025 6:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree with you on your analysis on all of the deals...
In both the Lee to Philly and Sherill to Dodgers deal, only good/mediocre prospects were involved. The Dodgers acquired two B-/B+ guys for a decent reliever, and the Indians received four prospects along those same lines for the reigning AL CY winner moving to the weaker NL. In my opinion, (2x) the value of Sherril does not equal the value that the Indians got for Lee…You have to have an -A caliber player to make that deal (Taylor/Drabek/Brown)…I am honestly pretty shocked with that move. Good stuff as always Jon!
by soccerman0 on Aug 1, 2025 7:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Thank John
for excellent analysis. I love your thoughtful critiques and insights. This is by far the best trade deadline recap I have read. With the current trend leaning towards more and more prospects being dealt at the deadline most of the TV and print talking heads have no business commenting on trades. Their comments about prospects make you want to pull your hair out.
by Ion293 on Aug 1, 2025 7:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
what are your thoughts on the Matt Holliday deal?
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by erik on Aug 1, 2025 7:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Does Alderson still get an A- grade....
or has he gone up or down?
by joegonzo on Aug 1, 2025 9:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Did he get an A-? I’d be surprised if he did but I don’t think he will this time around if it was the case.
by jfish26101 on Aug 1, 2025 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is pretty gutsy to give Alderson a A- pre-season. What did Bumgarner get? Or did John like Alderson more?
by jfish26101 on Aug 1, 2025 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nevermind
he got a B+,but he called him borderline A-. Bumgarner got an A.
by joegonzo on Aug 1, 2025 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well it def. isn’t going up from an A-. Prob. a B grade now? Maybe B+ ?
by Ion293 on Aug 1, 2025 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hard to say, B/B- seems fair, doubt he drops him to C+ yet.
Bumgarner’s grade will be interesting I think. Giving him an A is pretty high praise, how far does he drop or does John still feel confident in him? I think Bumgarner could drop 2-3 grades unless his velocity returns or his secondary pitches make significant improvement in the last few weeks.
by jfish26101 on Aug 1, 2025 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think they should both...
get B’s with Alderson maybe getting a B+. Bumgarner shouldn’t get higher than a B with his major velocity drop. That was pretty much all he had in the first place.
by joegonzo on Aug 1, 2025 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Was his velocity down again tonight?
The way I understood it, his last start was the first time his velocity had really dipped, which could easily be that he’s tired/arm is tired. I don’t think it’s been consistently start after start of lowered velocity right? You can’t ding a guy on one start, not like that.
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by gatling on Aug 1, 2025 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
alderson
Alderson is a B right now.
Bumgarner…..haven’t decided yet. Depends on what end of season reports look like.
by John Sickels on Aug 1, 2025 10:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He would be...
the Pirates number two prospect though right?
by joegonzo on Aug 1, 2025 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You missed the Beimel to Rockies trade
by bballrox4717 on Aug 1, 2025 10:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Garko for Barnes?
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by nostocksjustbonds on Aug 1, 2025 10:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think it was his intention to run down every trade that went down leading up to the deadline.
by jfish26101 on Aug 1, 2025 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the same
Interesting he missed the Beimel trade, considering it happened an hour before the deadline.
by bballrox4717 on Aug 1, 2025 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is Peavy's 2013 option guaranteed as part of him waiving his NTC?
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by Blicks on Aug 1, 2025 11:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't think there were any conditions to him waiving his NTC.
by Daniel Berlyn on Aug 2, 2025 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
reds fan here...
That trade was terrible. At least they didn’t trade Alonso, who was rumored to be a PTBNL.
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by bigdickwillie on Aug 2, 2025 11:42 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
A+
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