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Jason Knapp = Roy Halladay Clone?

Ya, I know it sounds crazy.  However, reportedly one scout described Jason Knapp as a 'Roy Halladay clone' and that his upside was higher than Kyle Drabek's.  I don't think I or Bravesin07 have made such a lofty comparison before.  OK, maybe we have.  Right now, Knapp is on the DL with what is being called shoulder fatigue or shoulder stiffness.  For the Indians to center the trade talks for Lee around Knapp, it leads me to beleive that the injury is not serious.  I don't know if he is expected back anytime soon though.  Probably best to shut him down, only 18 yrs old.

 

So anyways, who is Jason Knapp and why was he the 'centerpiece' in the trade for Cliff Lee?  Here are some #s...

 

Jason Knapp - D.O.B. Aug 31, 2025 - 6'5", 215 lbs

 

2008 (Gulf Coast League)

31 IP, 38 K, 12 BB, 2.61 ERA, 1.22 WHIP, FIP 2.91, BABIP .333, K% 29.2, BB% 9.2, GB% 40

 

2009 (South Atlantic League)

85.1 IP, 111 K, 39 BB, 4.01 ERA, 1.19 WHIP, FIP 3.08, BABIP .316, K% 30.9, BB% 10.9%, GB% 43

 

Stuff wise, I've read that Knapp has a mid to high 90s fastball with a solid but inconsistent breaking ball.  I would appreciate it if someone else can provide more insight into the pitches he throws.  Based on what I can see, there is a lot to like here.  He's very young, very big, and has excellent ratios.  Roy Halladay clone?  Way too early to say.

 

What are your thoughts on Jason Knapp and his long-term potential?

 

By the way, Baseball America had Jason Knapp in their mid-season Top 50.

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Very high ceiling pitcher....

…Really the only high ceiling prospect the Indians received for Lee. As long as he stays away from injuries, and continues to develop his secondary stuff, he could be a front line starter someday.

by soccerman0 on Jul 29, 2025 3:59 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Which he is on the DL correct?

by jfish26101 on Jul 29, 2025 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It appears so although...

I have heard an unsubstantiated rumor that he was hidden on the DL so as not to be part of a for Halladay, there by boosting his value in the Indians eyes.

by soccerman0 on Jul 29, 2025 4:05 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I listened to one of his starts

When he was dominating earlier this year. According to the announcer, his FB was 91-92 all night but did touch 97 once (in a big situation). When he got his curve over, it was likely to be a called strike(out) but he definitely struggled to get it over. If I remember correctly, he only threw a handful for strikes during the night.

I think he is a typical high ceiling arm with underdeveloped secondary stuff. I think he has overpowered low-a hitters with his FB but I don’t think he will be able to overpower MLB hitters with it. Like most pitchers in his situation, whether he becomes an ace will be the development of the secondary stuff…

by Dfarth on Jul 29, 2025 4:31 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yup

It sure sounds crazy, all right…

by alskor on Jul 29, 2025 4:42 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

fun arm

He’s a long way from being Halladay-esque . . .Halladay is not only really good and a complete pitcher, but one of the two most durable pitchers in baseball. Knapp’s quite the project still IMO, despite the gaudy numbers.

A+ next year will tell a lot about him . . .it’s not a huge difference from Low A for young prospects with developing skills, but players who are a bit more raw will show some cracks in the foundation.

by mrkupe on Jul 29, 2025 4:49 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I like Knapp "Jersey Lullaby" a lot,

but that comp is retarded. That’s all.

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by Frederick0220 on Jul 29, 2025 4:55 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Really love Knapp

not a lot not to like.

Now, that out of the way, I think that comp is beyond silly. When I think Roy Halladay, i think groundball machine and durable. While there is no way to know if Knapp will be durable, he is anything but a GB machine.

he’s a career 38% GB pitcher. That said, he does not give up many HR, I believe only 4 in 116 IP, so he’s either getting very lucky there, or he’s very very difficult to hit.

Also, according to minorleaguesplits, the babip numbers above are wrong. He has a .372 career babip (also, pretty odd, right?)

Clearly high ceiling, really looking forward to seeing how he develops. I think this is a really great trade for both teams.

by benzalman on Jul 29, 2025 5:11 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

knapp and hrs

“That said, he does not give up many HR, I believe only 4 in 116 IP, so he’s either getting very lucky there, or he’s very very difficult to hit.”

 . . .or it could just be that he’s a guy with good stuff pitching against guys who don’t have the experience and/or the physical prowess needed to make him pay?

by mrkupe on Jul 29, 2025 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yup.

He’s got the frame and the velocity to dream on, but it’ll all come down to his secondary pitches and durability (Keith Law doesn’t particularly love his mechanics, for what it’s worth). At the very least, though, he looks like an odds on bet to be a back-end bullpen guy at some point.

by PhillyFriar on Jul 30, 2025 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

correct

that was the difficult to hit part. Will be interesting to see him at AA.

by benzalman on Jul 30, 2025 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Barnes, Carrasco, Knapp

Pretty solid injection of pitching into the Indians’ farm system.

Now raise your goblet of rock. It's a toast to those who rock!

by Dewey Finn on Jul 29, 2025 5:35 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Not to mention Perez and Todd

Both have a legitimate chance to become dominant late inning relievers.

by CapgrasDelusion on Jul 30, 2025 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Complete BS

$10 says this “Halladay-clone” shit came out because the Phillies were just engaged in a week-long+ Halladay-fest.

Knapp is a 19-year old pitcher who throws hard. Halladay clone? He’s not even posting a 1:1 groundball-flyball ratio (he’s been a slight flyball pitcher both this year and last year) whereas Halladay is a sinker/groundball pitcher.

Knapp has great upside, but this “scout” statement is purely laughable. Knapp has done nothing to suggest he is even remotely like Halladay.

by metafour on Jul 29, 2025 7:55 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Agreed.

Though I’d point out that equating just about any prospect with the best pitcher in baseball is a laughable comparison. It’s no reflection on Knapp as a prospect, it’s just sort of like comparing Jesus Montero to Albert Pujols — sure, Montero’s a damned good hitter, but it’s still a ridiculous comparison.

by PhillyFriar on Jul 30, 2025 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

hey douchebag

I wasn’t comparing Knapp to Halladay. I’m merely bringing attention to a comment I read earlier on Foxsports and Rotoworld. Furthermore, I wanted to see what the community thought of Knapp, his performance thus far, and future outlook.

And you have a problem with this post, why? Simply because Dewey Finn created it? You’re pathetic.

Now raise your goblet of rock. It's a toast to those who rock!

by Dewey Finn on Jul 29, 2025 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Uh

You weren’t comparing Knapp to Halladay, but the title of the thread is “Jason Knapp = Roy Halladay clone?”

You’re right, how could anybody think that?

Solace: Law says he's a fourth OFer
PaulThomas: I think Keith Law is only a fourth analyst

by hero66 on Jul 29, 2025 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

A scout was quoted as saying this

Not Dewey Finn.

That scout is indeed, out of his effing mind, though.

Readng in context is indeed fundamental. Not only does Dewey mention a scout has been quoted as saying this but he also titled it "Jason Knapp = Roy Halladay clone?"

Note the QUESTION MARK…

by alskor on Jul 29, 2025 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think a better title for this thread may have been

“Jason Knapp is a Roy Halladay clone”?

I think because Dewey formated the title in a similar fashion to his resont posts people jumped to conclusions. Worse things have happened.

by ajake57 on Jul 29, 2025 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Possibly

But I think hero66’s response was still way unjustified.

by Lunkwill Fook on Jul 29, 2025 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ah

Well that’s what I get for not reading the entire post. Sorry Dewey.

Solace: Law says he's a fourth OFer
PaulThomas: I think Keith Law is only a fourth analyst

by hero66 on Jul 29, 2025 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i guess people need to read Question Marks...

Jesus, some of you should go back to Elementary School Grammar Class.

by apoxonbothyourhouses on Jul 31, 2025 1:07 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol- strait to douchbag and a nice pathetic at the end

“ridiculous” was a pretty mild and short criticism compared to others I’ve seen about your stuff. You do seem to have quite a following of haters that go after you Dewey and I can see it getting tiresome. I think they do it as much for your reaction as anything pro/con about your posts. I for one am more interested/entertained by both those that go after you, and your reactions to them, than the post themselves half the time. Don’t back down.

"Gratuitous gesticulating together sounds even better"

by OmahaHi on Jul 30, 2025 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I still don't understand your problem

FYI, I try to stir up conversation on topics that I find interesting. Correct me if I am wrong, but discussion is usually encouraged on a message board. Rather than contribute, you complain.

Now raise your goblet of rock. It's a toast to those who rock!

by Dewey Finn on Jul 30, 2025 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Question

What exactly did you find ‘ridiculous’ about this post?

"When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are all in confederacy against him."
-Jonathan Swift

by King Billy Royal on Jul 29, 2025 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

uh

Ya, I know it sounds crazy. However, reportedly one scout described Jason Knapp as a ‘Roy Halladay clone’ and that his upside was higher than Kyle Drabek’s.

Did you both fail to read that part?!?

Now raise your goblet of rock. It's a toast to those who rock!

by Dewey Finn on Jul 29, 2025 10:00 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

That scout was probably the Indians scout

Whom were drunk as well as the drunk Gm for pulling off an awful deal

by Bravesin07 on Jul 29, 2025 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

racist

400+ years of oppression, and you’d be drinking too. No need to rub it into their faces.

by gogotabata on Jul 30, 2025 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

I love Knapp

I have been on his bandwagon since reading a scouting report on BA last year, but last year at this time I had guys like Edwin Quirarte and Brett Hunter(ouch) ahead of him. He has really boosted his stock this year but a Halladay comparison is off base. I projected Knapp to be a back of the bullpen arm. He may be able to make it as a starter and I would be glad to see that but for now the scout should call him the next Homer Bailey before he throws the Halladay comp out there.

http://milbprospects.blogspot.com/

by garrioch13 on Jul 30, 2025 12:02 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

You Know

Every time somebody rec’s one of Dewey’s posts, baby Jesus cries.

I reject your reality and substitute my own.

by WayneCampbell08 on Jul 30, 2025 2:34 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

From Baseball America yesterday...

Knapp sits 94-96 mph with his fastball, and has touched 98. He was was young for his class and won’t turn 19 until the end of August.

Now raise your goblet of rock. It's a toast to those who rock!

by Dewey Finn on Jul 30, 2025 3:52 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

So he's a lesser Zumaya or something?

except Zumaya actually had a feel for some of his secondary stuff coming out of HS

Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all

If Dustin Pedroia played in Seattle, not many people would be talking about him.

GET THAT VORP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!

by baetown415 on Jul 31, 2025 4:16 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

people like Strasburg

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by Dewey Finn on Jul 31, 2025 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

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by cwhitman412 on Jul 31, 2025 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i don't think

the people who constantly talk about inverted v mechanics have ever thrown a baseball more than a catch in their back yard with the father once when they were nine.

by richieabernathy on Jul 31, 2025 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ok

So forget the inverted W crowd… does that arm action concern you at all? Is this something you would prefer in a pitcher?

by alskor on Jul 31, 2025 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

you realize

this is just a photograph, right? I cannot gauge the arm action in a still photo. I have personally never seen Jason Knapp throw in person. As far as pitching mechanics are concerned, I prefer loose arm actions, repeatable deliveries, balance, stability, and of course, the athleticism to acheive those components to the delivery.

by richieabernathy on Jul 31, 2025 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

and why "inverted w"

its an “m” people….grrr

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by harendaman365 on Jul 31, 2025 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd agree

that it’s not the gospel. but it’s something to be aware of no?

by RollingWave on Aug 1, 2025 12:28 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

Yeah, Ive stopped caring at all about the W/M thing. I really think repeating your motion is much more important. Could it be a factor? sure, but it’s one of many.

by benzalman on Jul 31, 2025 12:44 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

bob milacki

a few weeks ago i had the chance to speak to bob milacki, lakewood’s pitching coach, and he gushed over knapp, saying he had the potential to not only become an ace, but to be a 200-inning workhorse.

by psugator on Aug 1, 2025 2:03 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs


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