Trade Deadline Discussion Thread

Victor Martinez

Hope he ends up getting shipped to the Rays. Sounds like somewhat of a long-shot. So frustrating that it sounds like the big hold-up is money.

by valley on Jul 31, 2025 11:54 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I don’t see the rays swooping in and grabbing V-Mart. I think he is going to go to Boston. Got the prospects to make it happen and can afford to take on the salary. Also, the offense has been fledging recently so I could see them wanting to make an impact in the heart of the lineup

by MartyMcFly on Jul 31, 2025 1:17 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs

Washburn to the Tigers ... my first reaction is

That’s all? Courtesy of mlbtr, a link.

Maybe I’m missing something on French and Robles, but eh. I know he’s a rental, but with so many teams looking for arms, I would’ve thought Washburn might net a slightly better return.

by toonsterwu on Jul 31, 2025 12:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

wish there was a way to edit a post

I mean … I can understand some intrigue with Robles … but he strikes me as say, well, I can’t think of a good comp right now, but he strikes me as a pen arm. Dunno, just thought there’d be a bit more, after all the rumors out there.

by toonsterwu on Jul 31, 2025 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I don't entirely get that

He seems to be roughly equivalent to Jeremy Jeffress. His fastball isn’t as hard, but he has an awfully good one from the left side. His secondary stuff is also substantially better. More importantly, he’s managed to throw the ball over the plate occasionally, and doesn’t have the same (recreational) drug problems

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by OldProspects on Jul 31, 2025 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah...

I thought they would do a little better than that. Im kind of underwhelmed… but I didnt expect a great return either. I do like Robles.

The downside to Washburn was twofold: 1) Nobody is fooled by his ERA. Everyone knows its heavily park and defense influenced; and 2) He’s a true rental. No one in their right mind would consider offering him arb b/c he made $10M this year. So there’s no chance at all of draft picks in return.

Still rare and odd to see a guy with the 3rd best ERA in the AL get traded for a fringy starter/swing man and a live arm who projects as a reliever.

by alskor on Jul 31, 2025 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

The market really does seem to have a better read on defense these days

And part of that has been precipitated by Jack Z himself, I believe. I still thought they’d get a better return than they did.

by CapgrasDelusion on Jul 31, 2025 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

they probably realized

Washburn was a 34 year old who had been a mediocre starter his entire career until coincidentally this year, when he was pitching in front of one of the all-time great MLB outfield defenses (no exaggeration), and who is going to be a free agent this year that won’t bring back much in compensation.

by Galt on Jul 31, 2025 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Should hear the M's fans

They’re marking this as a steal for Jack Z…

by demondeaconsbaseball on Jul 31, 2025 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Fangraphs likes the deal

Dave Cameron at Fangraphs had this to say:
“As a Mariner fan, this trade makes me want to jump up and down and hug someone. The M’s turned a 35-year-old lefty strike throwing flyballer who is due $3.5 million over the rest of the season and then becomes an expensive free agent into a 24-year-old lefty strike throwing flyballer who is due $0 over the rest of the year and won’t be a free agent until after 2015. And they got a 20-year-old lefty with huge strikeout numbers in A-ball to boot.”

I think he makes a pretty convincing argument if you check out the whole article. Washburn hadn’t been much until this year…

by swilliam on Jul 31, 2025 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Read it...

Disagree. Washburn may revert to solid 4-ERA territory, but that’s still more than what the Tigers had before today. I don’t think we’re losing too terribly much in Robles (K rate aside, he’s good, but he’s probably a bullpen arm) and French is at best a #4 starter.

by demondeaconsbaseball on Jul 31, 2025 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

don't disagree but

with so many teams looking for arms, and so few starters available, I thought there’d be a shot at a better return.

by toonsterwu on Jul 31, 2025 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Here's what confuses me

The reports are suggesting that the Yankees had to fork over an Austin Jackson level player or the Brewers had to fork over Escobar, Gamel, or Parra (courtesy Sherman). I understand arms are overprotected now, so getting them seems like a coup, but this return strikes me as vastly different than the demands leveled on the other teams.

by toonsterwu on Jul 31, 2025 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Twins MI

I had suggested at twinkietown that the Twins consider giving up a top outfield prospect (Revere, Benson, Angel Morales, possibly even Hicks) for a Scutaro + a reliever from the Jays. He would upgrade them significantly defensively and offensively at SS plus he’s worth 2 first round picks this off season as he’s solidly a type A according to these. Any thoughts? I know Hicks is toolsy and all that but tools only go so far. This has nothing to do with Hicks slow start it has more to do with the Twins making a good faith move to show Mauer they want to contend. The top picks could come in very handy to replace any prospect they give up as well.

Peyton's good but have you ever heard of Jeff George?

by halfchest on Jul 31, 2025 12:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Nope

Orlando Cabrera traded to the Twins for Tyler Ladendorff.

Not a great return, but Orlando Cabrera’s not a great player. It’s a fair deal, I think.

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by PaulThomas on Jul 31, 2025 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I agree

Good trade for both teams. The Twins don’t give up a major prospect but for the A’s he’s a guy who could turn out. I’ve read that Ladandorf will likely be a 3B by the time he reaches the majors which drives his value down a bit. Good trade both sides.

My suggestion above was just a suggestion not a prediction. My point being that with the draft picks Scutaro could provide the Twins with a badly needed upgrade and then the picks could replace the value they lost in a player like "Hicks.

Peyton's good but have you ever heard of Jeff George?

by halfchest on Jul 31, 2025 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Anything more than a bag of baseballs is a HUGE win for the A's

Despite his past few weeks, Cabrera really is about a replacement level player. To get even a C prospect for him baffles me, and I’ll absolutely take that any day.

For me the question is this: Is Ladendorf good enough to be a high second round pick? The horrible decision to sign Cabrera is rectified if so.

by thejd44 on Jul 31, 2025 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

He was good enough to be a second-round pick last year

but his performance in pro ball has probably pushed that down to 3rd/4th round status at this point.

Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
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by PaulThomas on Jul 31, 2025 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Eh, so it doesn't make the Cabrera signing ok

But it goes a little ways to making up for it. He actually looks like a player the A’s might have drafted anyway.

by thejd44 on Jul 31, 2025 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

He profiles very similarly to Jason Christian, who John has spoken well of previously

but lasted to the 5th round.

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by PaulThomas on Jul 31, 2025 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Beane said

In the article on the A’s main site that they were going to draft him last season had the Twins not done it.

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by hero66 on Jul 31, 2025 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Billy likes the guys he wish he had drafted/is having cold feet over, apparantly

is there something for Smoak in the works, wink wink. (obviously joking)

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by Blicks on Jul 31, 2025 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I was amused by the reputed prospect of the A's getting Hicks for Wuertz and Cabrera

which would have given them three consecutive picks from last year’s draft. If they could somehow get Smoak too, that would be four consecutive.

I wonder whether any team has ever managed to amass 3 consecutive draft selections in its system before.

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It's just one of those things, one of those things
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In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving

by PaulThomas on Jul 31, 2025 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

There are a couple of teams who had 2 straight draft picks

in the most recent draft - the Angels had one set, and maybe the Diamondbacks? I’m sure somebody had 3, or dealt for the third

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by OldProspects on Aug 2, 2025 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Brewers had a set in the 2nd round I think.

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by Blicks on Aug 2, 2025 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

If Cabrera is done in 2 months

stays Retired…
and doesn’t hit over .290 + as a Twin
the A’s win the Trade

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Ladendorf, at least this time last year, compared himself to Jimmy Rollins, although I think he has a bigger body, and frame - the speed is definately there excellent base stealer - stole 60 bases his last year at Howard College, but he doesn’t have the BIG power, only marginally

by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Jul 31, 2025 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

What does retiring have to do with it?

The Twins can’t offer him arbitration, can they? I assume the contract clause didn’t just apply to the A’s.

by thejd44 on Jul 31, 2025 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

O-Cab may only play in 40 something games for the Rest of his big league career if he decides to retire at seasons end.

talk about a rental-player

by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Jul 31, 2025 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

But how is that different than if he just signs elsewhere next year?

by thejd44 on Aug 1, 2025 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

actually, I quite like this trade for Oakland

Ladendorf’s a VERY nice talent, just needs experience. Good tools across the board with solid strike zone judgment. He is an outstanding athlete so if he moves from SS, just about any position is a possbility for him . . .I’d consider a move to CF before 3B.

For a passable rent-a-player like Orlando Cabrera, this kind of high-upside guy with middle-infield potential is a real find. I believe the A’s said one of the holdups on getting the deal done is that they insisted on Ladendorf despite the Twins’ reluctance to part with him. I wonder what Minnesota wanted to give them instead.

by mrkupe on Jul 31, 2025 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I read Dorf went 65 for 65 in SB his freshman college year. And 96/97 his first two years. thats just insane

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by OmahaHi on Aug 1, 2025 4:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

yeah, in juco ball

He’s pretty dang fast, plus-plus speed.

by mrkupe on Aug 1, 2025 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Twins get Orlando Cabrera

for Tyler Ladendorf from what I read

by jakarta on Jul 31, 2025 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

hicks is much more than just "toolsy"

and is worth more than a decent shortsop and reliever. muuuuch more.

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by harendaman365 on Jul 31, 2025 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I think the Tigers upgraded themselves significantly

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by 306008 on Jul 31, 2025 1:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I have to say

so far, this has been one of the best deadline’s in years.

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by thecoolest on Jul 31, 2025 2:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Ladendorf

What is your guys opinions of this guy?

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by Love Twins on Jul 31, 2025 2:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Looks like the kind of mercurial player the Twins are particularly bad at.

by timprov on Jul 31, 2025 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

mlbtraderumors just reported that the Red Sox got Martinez

No details other than that yet, gotta figure Buchholz probably heading to the Indians IMO.

by minorsfan on Jul 31, 2025 2:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Carlos Santana soon to see time in the bigs?

by Jett on Jul 31, 2025 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Shoppach

Marson backing him up?

by demondeaconsbaseball on Jul 31, 2025 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Sorry, foxsports says Buchholz not involved

by minorsfan on Jul 31, 2025 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

fml

by daveh33 on Jul 31, 2025 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Hagadone and Masterson

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by harendaman365 on Jul 31, 2025 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

MLB Trade Rumors

Victor Martinez for Nick Hagadone and Justin Masterson.

by fartballs on Jul 31, 2025 2:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Is Mark Shapiro smoking crack?

Man, these trades have sucked for the Indians.

Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
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by PaulThomas on Jul 31, 2025 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Hagadone and Masterson

isnt so incredibly bad. They couldve done better, but they couldve definitely done worse

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by harendaman365 on Jul 31, 2025 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Looks like Bryan Price is involved too

by Jett on Jul 31, 2025 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I actually like this one

by Dfarth on Jul 31, 2025 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

same here

three intriguing arms. No top shelf is getting moved these days. They got good quality and quantity of pitchers, which is hard enough to do in this day and age.

by toonsterwu on Jul 31, 2025 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I would imagine they make Masterson a starter again

Prepare to be surprised at how good he is.

by alskor on Jul 31, 2025 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

OK

because what I’ve seen from him is mid-rotation starter or setup-man, at best. I really do not understand why he has been hyped.

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by PaulThomas on Jul 31, 2025 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

+1

Hagadone too, provided he makes it all the way back. Power lefty.

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by nuthinboutnuthin on Aug 1, 2025 1:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Shapiro

Is it finally time to realize that he is a below average gm? And save me the payroll talk, this guys trades have been awful and his drafting is much worse, whether it is him makingthe calls on the draft picks or someone else it is still unacceptable as a professional general manager

by FishHead on Jul 31, 2025 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I think he's an average GM

but I don’t think these two trades are as bad as they are made out to be. The market is different now than a few years ago. Top arms don’t get moved.

by toonsterwu on Jul 31, 2025 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

So, why deal?

Was their situation for 2010 that hopeless? I thought they had a legitimate shot at the division entering this season.

At the very least, wait till the offseason when you have 30 (ok, realistically, 20) potential buyers instead of 10.

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by PaulThomas on Jul 31, 2025 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Well

Lee is harder to justify, but…

Lee - Knew they couldnt/wouldnt re-sign him, got a deal with top two guys they liked more than two picks theyd get plus some MLB ready, quality help in Donald and Marson.

VMart - They wanted to save money and they have a great catching prospect knocking on the door. Under their spending “cap” this was almost an NFL style move. Good backup ready, let the expensive vet walk even if its a downgrade.

Shapiro actually said he didnt think they could compete in 2010 when he made the Lee trade… kind of crazy claim, that. They did get a bunch of MLB ready talent and they cleared enough money in their budget to really make some moves this winter. So, you could very much make the argument their organizational health has improved.

Also, lets say they took the year and a half left of these two… then had to let them walk. That’s two picks in the summer of ’11. When will those picks be ready? 2013 is optimistic. So, if you know youre being forced to mini-blow up your core, its very justifiable to swap the vets for a bunch of ready and near ready prospects you like.

Not a slam dunk. Not an easy call. Not obviously the right thing to do. It does make some sense. The merits really rely entirely (as they always do) on their talent evaluation w/regards to the kids they got. I dont mind these moves at all and I really like their farm system (as well as young MLB players) now.

by alskor on Jul 31, 2025 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Best leverage possible was now

After more time to think about it, I actually think they got solid value on both deals. I compare the Lee deal similarly to one you know intimately in the Harden deal. I think Carrasco is about as good as a “ready/upper-level arm” that’s going to typically get shipped out these days, and Knapp certainly has high upside. I think the Boston deal is fine.

I’m really not sold they would’ve gotten better trades in the offseason. Similar perhaps. But hey, that’s me, and that’s why deadlines are fun to discuss. So I guess the question becomes whether or not they were giving up on 2010 too early. I don’t think their situation for 2010 was hopeless, and in the AL Central, they probably had a shot, but they had to cut payroll (iirc the news articles right now) and they were 2-3 starting pitchers away realistically, and several bullpen pieces. It wasn’t going to be easy to find those arms. It’s a gamble for Shapiro, no doubt, and I’m not saying I support the gamble or not (I’m really not sure … gut feeling says yes, but there’s a part of me that thinks it’s a bit foolish, particularly since VMart seemed to want to say). Simply saying that I think these two trades are solid relative to what the market dictates now.

At least there seems to be an outline of a plan. Problem is … Shapiro’s plans simply haven’t panned out in recent years. But at least there’s a plan. Color me confused on Ricciardi. (yes, changing the subject) This is worse than Peavy this past offseason, because you knew Towers had absolutely no leverage in that situation and had to force the situation. Ricciardi walked it out, pulled it back … and I’m still perplexed at what his plan is for the Blue Jays. I’ve always thought they had talent, but this seems like a situation where they have to have everything go right … and have a lot of things go wrong for all the other teams to realistically have a shot.

by toonsterwu on Jul 31, 2025 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Hm... it may not surprise you to find out that I despised the Harden trade, too

Donaldson was an interesting buy-low bat and Gallagher ended up forming the better part of the value spent picking up Hairston, but overall I thought that package was very lame, especially compared to the GREAT value they got for Blanton just days afterwards.

Speaking of Josh Donaldson, someone (me?) should do a piece on him, because he’s managing the very strange feat of putting up completely different hitting lines in four consecutive stops. It’s like every time he moves to a new city, he becomes a totally new hitter. At this point I no longer have any idea how to evaluate him as a prospect.

Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving

by PaulThomas on Jul 31, 2025 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

i was using it

as a form of precedence. Gallagher’s value was very good when the Cubs dealt him. I don’t know exactly what’s happened there, other than some A’s fans telling me Geren kept pitching him when he was hurt. But when he left the Cubs, he was flashing a mid-90’s fastball, plus breaking ball, backup breaking ball (memory’s slipping me if his curve or slider was better at that point), and an improving change.

That said, it was simply as a way to state that precedence in a marginally better economic outlook offered a similar return. I’m of the belief that it’ll be the exception rather than the rule when an upper level, elite pitching prospect gets dealt in the future, and that the Gallagher’s/Carrasco’s of the world are probably the best types of upper level arms that get moved on a more consistent basis.

by toonsterwu on Aug 1, 2025 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Well, if you listened to everything A's fans have claimed about Geren,

you’d think he was an escapee from one of those “structured living environments,” and drunk off his ass all the time to boot. That makes me instantly suspicious of any such claim.

One would think that Cliff Lee would be worth several times as much as Rich Harden was, given Harden’s documented history of suffering from basically every ailment known to mankind and the fact that his career could end with every pitch he throws.

Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
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In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving

by PaulThomas on Aug 1, 2025 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

certainly, but

the market is different now. I’m not saying the Indians got a great return, but I think it’s solid enough. Certainly, precedence only holds so far, so there is no direct correlation between any deals, as each deal exists within it’s own environment. But if we were comparing those two deals, even counting for the addition of Francisco, I think it’s a better return than what Oakland got on Harden, and accouting for the market changes, and I think it’s a solid return overall. Look, I’m not saying it’s a great return (at least, I don’t think I’ve said that in any post). I think it’s a solid return for where the market currently stands. Actually, looking above now, I said they got solid value, which I will stand by, but that’s a subjective statement.

I have no idea on anything about Geren, other than some A’s fans on AN pointing me to a game where they said Gallagher was hurt, but Geren kept pitching him.

by toonsterwu on Aug 1, 2025 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Indians trade their studs

And allow the other teams to keep their best 4-5 prospects/young players.

Sox next 5 is better than a lot of other teams top 5, but still…

by cowboy4eva on Jul 31, 2025 2:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

LaRoche to Braves

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by Frederick0220 on Jul 31, 2025 3:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I like the trade

for Atlanta and it makes sense for Boston.

Ah, the days when Kotchman was a big time stud.

by toonsterwu on Jul 31, 2025 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I hated Kotchman

So basically Atlanta gets back LaRoache, Gonzalez, and Marek for Feliz, Andrus, Salty, Harrison, Jones, Teixeria, Kotchman. They should have never traded LaRoche.

by Bravesin07 on Jul 31, 2025 3:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Hairiston for Austin Jackson????

Is this true? Read it on the Chat at BTF? Any of you see any confirmations anywhere?

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by Love Twins on Jul 31, 2025 3:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

OK

Reported by Johnathan Mayo but now backing off of it

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by Love Twins on Jul 31, 2025 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Lol

Cashman could have told me that to my face and I never would have reported it.

by cowboy4eva on Jul 31, 2025 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Chase Weems

Catcher

Not AJax

by alskor on Jul 31, 2025 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

definitely a big difference there

by toonsterwu on Jul 31, 2025 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

rolen for edwin and alonzo

nice pull for the Jays.

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/9875596

by FRANCHISEv2 on Jul 31, 2025 4:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Lots of rumblings that Alonso is not included and that report is innaccurate

Which makes sense… since that would be a tremendously stupid move.

by alskor on Jul 31, 2025 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I did a double take as well seeing him on there.

by FRANCHISEv2 on Jul 31, 2025 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

It's just Ed Win En Car Nay Shin

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by Frederick0220 on Jul 31, 2025 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

report is

Edwin, Josh Roenicke, and Zach Stewart. dougdirt suggested not long ago that Stewart has #1 starter potential.

Of course, here comes dougdirt to say, "Wait, he got traded? You guys do realize that when i said #1 starter, I meant “maybe has a shot at being a 3,” right?"

by mrkupe on Jul 31, 2025 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Stewart

Lots of Reds fans thought he was going to be their future closer.

by metafour on Jul 31, 2025 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Uh what?

Zach Stewart still has #1 potential. The guy has a 92-96 MPH sinker thats a plus pitch and a plus slider. Couple that with good control and you have a guy with #1 potential, the fact that he is a Blue Jay now doesn’t change that…. unless the Blue Jays use him as a reliever in the future of course. The Reds plan was to use him as a starter.

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by dougdirt on Aug 1, 2025 1:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I was about to say….

by cowboy4eva on Jul 31, 2025 4:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Peavy to the White Sox? Again?

In exchange for prospects, Jake Peavy has been traded to the White Sox.

Haven’t heard if Peavy has waived his no trade clause yet.

by dewby on Jul 31, 2025 4:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Clayton Richard
Poreda
Dexter Carter
Adam Russell

All pitchers go to SD.

by cowboy4eva on Jul 31, 2025 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

word is

Peavy has just approved the trade and is headed to the White Sox.

Sweeeeeeeet.

by mrkupe on Jul 31, 2025 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Peavy to white sox

yes. im not bullshitting you
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/07/peavy-dealt-to-white-sox-again.html

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by harendaman365 on Jul 31, 2025 4:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I don't like the deal for the Padres

but I understand that they needed to cut costs, and considering the position that Towers started in last winter, to have expanded the market (convincing Peavy that he needed to be open-minded and that his two preferences (Cubs/Dodgers) probably weren’t likely to make a move - it might not have been Towers that did the convincing, but that change happened) and net 4 arms is … okay. From what I recall of the Cubs rumors, this is probably on par with the type of package that was being discussed, and maybe a tinge better, due to number of arms and how you feel about Poreda/Richard.

Personally, I think they get three pen arms and a very fascinating prospect in Carter, but far away. Not bad, but I wouldn’t be enthused. That said, as noted, understandable. In that respect, I really like the short term gamble for Kenny Williams. People point to Peavy’s H/A splits, but he posted good H/A splits in 2005 and 2007. He’s a very good pitcher, their most talented pitcher right now, and right now, I think they are the most balanced team in that division.

by toonsterwu on Aug 1, 2025 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Getting 4 arms (actually 8!) for a pitcher with essentially zero value after this season is f***ing incredible

After 2009, Peavy is basically getting paid what he would have made on the free agent market.

Towers walked a nice tightrope line there, although I doubt it’ll do the Padres any good as long as they’re straightjacketed by their owners’ extreme payroll limitations.

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by PaulThomas on Aug 1, 2025 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

don't disagree with that

it’s just, I’m not enthused about the arms in return, but that’s me.

by toonsterwu on Aug 1, 2025 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

zero value?

How is Jake Peavy worth nothing? It’s certainly not because of his performance, which is consistently upper-tier. It’s not because of his contract which, as you said, pays him what he’d be worth on the free agent market.

Frankly I think the Sox just surprised the hell out of everybody, jumping in to get Peavy at a time when he wasn’t being talked about at all due to his limitations in helping a team in the short-term. A No. 1 starter locked up for at least 3 more seasons and getting paid in accordance with the market? That’s not just a short-term fix, that’s a long-term solution. And that’s exactly the sort of guy that teams parting with valuable prospects should want to acquire in return.

by mrkupe on Aug 1, 2025 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

What an awesome deadline

by dkdc on Jul 31, 2025 5:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

agreed.

twist ending and all

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by harendaman365 on Jul 31, 2025 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

One deal I liked for both sides

Was the Nick Johnson for Aaron Thompson deal. Sort of soured on Thompson a bit of late, but he’s still an intriguing enough arm. Johnson’s a rental, but he’s going to be a good fit at the top of that lineup.

Although this might mean Cantu at 3rd. Too lazy to check out the numbers on what his defense there might cost them. But I like Johnson in that lineup

by toonsterwu on Jul 31, 2025 6:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

re: this has got to be/review of a few trades

one of the most amazing and fascinating trade rumor/deadline in awhile.

too bad Doc didn’t go anywhere!! that would’ve completed the insanity of 2009 trade deadline…and the trifecta of Elite Pitchers on the move.

Peavy to Whitesox?
huh?
Win=Padres
that was very curious trade by them, and the Padres made off well. They dumped a huge contract, regardless if any of the prospects they recieved pan out. I like all the pitchers they recieved, though I don’t know much about Dexter Carter.

Lee to Phillies
Win=Phillies
I was a bit disappointed that the Indians didn’t fetch a little more and had to include Francisco in the deal…but the prospects they got back weren’t all that bad.
The Phillies kept all their top prospects, though I guess Knapp could become an ace one day. the Indians need to keep their fingers crossed…!

Mariners trading away Y Betancourt, and for Jack Wilson
Win and Loss
Baffling moves on the part of the Mariners…they traded away a lousy shortstop and got ok prospects back. They turn around and acquire light-hitting Jack Wilson for a bunch of decent prospects? Just don’t get it…I do like the gamble on Ian Snell though.

Win=Pirates on all their trades
Pirates fans must be confused and or disappointed, but I actually approve and understand why Huntington did what he did. They weren’t even .500 WITH their current veterans, why not build more depth by trading them away? Pitching wins games, so they got a lot of depth, and fairly servicable players to boot…though I felt they should have gotten a little more for McLouth, Gorzelanny and Grabow. (how is Grabow a “Type A”? anyway…)
Freddy Sanchez and Adam LaRoche trades were good trades to say the least.

V-Mart to Red Sox=
slight win for the Red Sox
Red Sox gave up a bit, but you got to give talent to recieve talent. I believe in THAT lineup, V-Mart will not only return to form, he will make Beantown very very happy. V-Mart will provide the protection for Big Papi.

Matt Holliday to Cardinals
Win=Cardinals
it had to be done, and I think the trade was a win for now for the Redbirds. If they can sign him to a long term deal…even more of a win. Albert Pujols finally gets a real player to protect him. I am not impressed with Clayton Mortenson, but I only watched him on TV and read his stats, so what do I know?
I know Brett Wallace was the real chipper here, but remember Daric Barton?….anyway, the Cards get the edge. yes, I know Daric is still only 21, but Billy must have lost some faith in him for trading for Mr. Wallace…

what do you guys think of my analysis?
too long winded? :)

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by feslenraster on Jul 31, 2025 7:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I don't think you realize how valuable Jack Wilson is

He’s about a league average player. They basically exchanged the worst everyday player in baseball for a league average player. That’s a huge win.

by thejd44 on Jul 31, 2025 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

daric is 23 i think

nice recap though

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by flipgatey3 on Jul 31, 2025 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

If Grabow does end up being a Type A

and the Cubs offer arb and get picks for him, I’d have to give that trade to the Cubs.

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by thecoolest on Jul 31, 2025 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I honestly can't see the Cubs offering Grabow arbitration

He’s the type of guy who would be almost poised to accept, and the Cubs WILL have payroll issues thanks to backloaded contracts and other holes (2B, C if Soto doesn’t rebound) to fill.

I think they offer arb to only one of their FA relievers (Gregg/Grabow), and that FA is Gregg, who I think accepts.

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by Blicks on Jul 31, 2025 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Grabow

If by chance he is offered arbitration, rejects and is declared a Type A, do you think any team would touch him? No team is going to give up their first round pick so they can sign a mediocre John Grabow.

by jar75 on Jul 31, 2025 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I doubt the cubs will offer arb

As others have noted, the Cubs will have to be careful this offseason, unless the Ricketts family increases payroll, which I doubt. Some contracts will clear up in the next few years, but next year, the payroll will be quite high, and I don’t think that’s a risk the Cubs are going to take. They let Kerry Wood walk … I doubt Grabow gets arb.

That said, I like the trade for the Cubs anyways. Don’t love it for the Pirates, but it was understandable, as Grabow was eh, and Gorzelanny was in the minors. It’s not a cure all for the Cubs, but it’s a good gamble (along with BJ Ryan) at finding a lefty for the pen, and it adds some P depth in the minors. What’d we give up? A decent middle reliever in Kevin Hart that has needed innings the last few years to really find his stuff, which is never a great sign. An intriguing power arm in Jose Ascanio, who, while he has some starter potential, is probably better off as a power pen arm. Cubs have enough hard throwing righties that I’m not worried. Harrison was being groomed as a utility guy. He’s got a little speed, some positional versatility (which is the nice way of saying he’s not great at any position), and solid pop for the size. Best case scenario, he’s a solid 2nd baseman that can hit in the 2 hole, as he’s got good baseball IQ and can play well there. I’m not too beat up over that. Personally, I think he’s, for Pirates fans, a better Jim Negrych.

It’s not a bad return for the Pirates, and if Ascanio blossoms (or Hart, but I’d bet on Ascanio) as a pen arm, it might give them the option of dealing Capps in the offseason or next year.

by toonsterwu on Aug 1, 2025 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

They traded away an awful SS and got prospects back

Betancourt traded for salary relief alone would’ve been a steal for the Mariners. Betancourt traded for anything of value is beyond a coup.

The Rox “won” the whole Holliday debacle (the first Holliday trade), but the NL Central still is very, very tight.

And I wouldn’t think this is “the end” for Daric Barton (he’s 23), as it could easily end up a situation where Barton gets 1B and Carter/Wallace end up one taking the LF spot and the other DHing. Although then where does that put Jack Cust? But expecting all these guys to pan out probably won’t happen though. Although the initial investment (trading for Holliday in the first place) wasn’t good for the A’s, getting Wallace + the other two is a decent return on 1/2 season of Holliday.

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by Blicks on Jul 31, 2025 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I think Cust will probably be gone by 2011, either traded or non-tendered

and I’m no rabid Cust hater, as you know. I’m not sure the A’s will be able to justify paying 3rd-year arbitration money to a 33-year-old DH who has the upside of only a 3 WAR player or so. I’d say it’s 60-40 he’s gone by April 1, 2011.

As a freebie, Jack Cust is awesome, but he’s no franchise cornerstone.

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by PaulThomas on Jul 31, 2025 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

+1

I was thinking along the same lines.

by ozzman99 on Aug 1, 2025 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

wait

When did Peavy become a “big contract” the Padres were happy to “dump?”

Peavy = good and affordable.

They got an okay return back. Actually very similar to what the Indians got for VMart. If we could be sure of Peavy’s health this would be a big win for Chicago in my book.

by alskor on Jul 31, 2025 10:14 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs

Affordable?

Peavy at

$15m in 2010
$16m in 2011
$17m in 2012
$22m (or $4m buyout) in 2013

isn’t a great bargain.

The Dodgers won't win a playoff series until the Cool-a-Coo returns.

by mckeeno on Jul 31, 2025 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Not a "great bargain" sure

But that’s a good deal below market for a young, front line starting pitcher.

Who’s a better deal than that other than Beckett?

If the Padres couldn’t afford to pay 16 per for an Ace they have no business being in MLB. Just contract them. Getting fron line starters that much below market come fsr and few between.

by alskor on Aug 1, 2025 8:11 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs

Not below market

He’s right at or above market-level. There are only 4 pitchers that make more than him according to Cots: Sabathia, Santana, Zambrano & Zito.

The Dodgers won't win a playoff series until the Cool-a-Coo returns.

by mckeeno on Aug 1, 2025 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

AJ Burnett… but still…

If Peavy was a free agent last year (esp. prior to the injury), I think he would almost certainly have a received a Sabathia kind of deal. He’s a half a notch above the guys who got similar deals this offseason and younger. Further, b/c he’s already signed to the deal there is the added advantage of not having to give him 6-8 years to land him in free agency.

But like I said - Not a “great bargain,” but a favorable deal that comes out on the plus side all things considered. He’s not someone they had to “dump” because of a “bad contract” by any means.

by alskor on Aug 1, 2025 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

IMO

You’re overrating how much he would have made on the market and his value now. Considering he’s leaving Petco, moving to the AL, and may not pitch again this year. 17 million+ per for the next 3 or 4 years isn’t a bargain. Probably about right at best IMO.

by cowboy4eva on Aug 1, 2025 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Im not that optimistic about his success in Chicago

but he would have been a 27 year old former Cy Young winner who was generally regarded one of the best young pitchers in baseball. He would have gotten paid a ton.

by alskor on Aug 1, 2025 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Just because he would have been paid a ton doesn't necessarily make it a wise investment

I’m a Yankees fan, and I’m terrified of the Sabathia deal (and even at that, they’re possibly the only team that would be able to overcome a $23M/yr salary if he loses effectiveness and/or gets injured).

Besides, I think that people are understating the effect of the economy when looking at some of the deals that went down. Texas is contending for the first time in years and has the deepest farm system in the business, and they couldn’t add a single player — this is while they’re dealing with a swine flu outbreak on their active roster and an injury to their “veteran anchor” in Millwood.

The Padres are averaging 5500 fans in paid attendence per game compared to last year; Cleveland is 4000 less. They’re both hovering at around 50% capacity per game. I think it was you said that if the Padres can’t afford to pay Peavy’s salary they should be contracted — I suspect many MLB teams and/or owners are in far worse financial shape than the public realizes. The NBA had to secure emergency loans for 12 teams this spring to help them meet payroll and operating costs. I fully believe the Lee/V-Mart/Peavy deals done for short term balance-sheet reasons just as much for talent acquisition reasons.

by jibs on Aug 2, 2025 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Jake Peavy's past value

2004— $11.9M
2005— $17.3M
2006— $14.7M
2007— $25.3M
2008— $12.6M
2009— $8.6M

It’s possible that someone would have given him a Sabathia deal (anything’s possible), but that doesn’t mean anyone should have.

Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
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by PaulThomas on Aug 1, 2025 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs