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First off, it seems that Mets Top Prospects RHP Jenrry Mejia and RHP Brad Holt were promoted from Mets High-A St. Lucie to AA Binghamton. Holt, 22,  posted a 3.05 ERA in 41 innnings, walking 10 and striking out 50. Mejia, 19 had a brilliant 1.97 ERA in 50 IP, walking 16 and striking out 44, with a promising 2.21 GO/AO rate.

 

Second, Mets prospect Josh Thole continues to smash AA, with a .354 batting average, and I continue to wonder how he fits in the big leagues (if he'll ever get/deserve a starting role at catcher, whether he'll move to first).

 

Third, Ruben Tejada. I heard some hype about him a few year back, but he seemed to vanish from the "Top Prospect" view fora few years, but now the 19 year old MI is holding his own in AA (.281/.381/.377). Is he a real talent? Will he develop pop? When's his ETA for regular playing time?

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Mejia and Holt

If they keep dominating in AA, they’ll be top 25 prospects.

I am beginning to lose patience
With my personal relations.
They are not deep
And they are not cheap.

W.H. Auden

by jimduquettesucked on Jun 5, 2025 12:15 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What are their grades at this point?

Do Holt and Mejia warrant B+? And what about Familia he seems like a step behind those two maybe a B-? I would have them ranked right now like this let me know what you think. (What I expect their grade to be at the end of the season is in parentheses)

Martinez A-/B+ (A-)
Holt B+ (A-/B+)
Mejia B (B)
Flores B (B, I never thought he should have been B+ preseason)
Tejada B- (B-, Great glove but not fast enough to leadoff, maybe a solid #2 or a good #8 hitter)
Davis B- (B)
Familia B- (B-)
Thole B- (B-)
Niese B-/C+ (C+)
Havens C+/B- (B-)

by BLieve on Jun 5, 2025 12:37 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Tejada

My understanding is that he’s actually quite fast but hasn’t learned to use it in games yet. That isn’t to say he will, but the potential is there.

by Fanon on Jun 5, 2025 12:24 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Mejia

Keep in mind Mejia is only 19. If he keeps performing in AA, he’s going to deserve way more than a “B”.

I am beginning to lose patience
With my personal relations.
They are not deep
And they are not cheap.

W.H. Auden

by jimduquettesucked on Jun 5, 2025 2:02 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

FLORES

I think you need to go compare Miguel Cabrera’s minor league numbers at the age of 17
with that of Flores. Flores is on pace to put up better numbers then Miggy did in Single A.

Remember hes facing guys that are 5 or 6 years older then him. The kid should be in
high school chemistry class right now. The fact that hes hit .250 is pretty impressive
in my opinion. In the next two years he will get bigger and stronger and he will be much
more advanced in terms of what to expect from pitchers.

Dont judge a player on stats alone.

by mets4886 on Jun 5, 2025 4:44 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I hate this argument.

I’m generally skeptical of Mets prospects because the organization so often rushes them, and defenders of the system just say, “Well, X has held his own at such a young age.” Carlos Gomez was rushed at every stop despite failing to show any plate discipline or present power, and we were told that he was just young for his level and that his tools would shine through eventually — and now he’s got a .249/.292/.298 line in over 800 major league ABs.

Plus, comparing someone’s numbers at that age to Cabrera’s is sort of an underhanded argument. It’s like comparing a lefty with terrible velocity to Jamie Moyer and saying, “Well if this guy can do it…” The point being: yes, Cabrera didn’t put up great numbers at 17, but of all of the guys who have put up numbers like that, Cabrera is probably the only one to have future success like that.

I’m not saying Flores doesn’t have great tools and a potentially massive ceiling, but saying that we should be impressed because he’s holding his own with an empty .250 average in Low-A ball… well, I don’t care how young he is, I’m not buying it.

by PhillyFriar on Jun 6, 2025 1:22 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I agree on most counts

but the Gomez example wasn’t great — he did well for a leadoff man at some levels, but prospects are prospects and well; Gomez failed.

I also share the Flores skepticism, but of course there is some hope — he is still has a sweet swing and is beginning to show that he can handle Single-A pitchers.

by METSMETSMETS on Jun 6, 2025 1:58 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

flores

Im not saying your wrong. You might be right about Flores. My only point is that I’ve been reading the last few weeks about how dissapointing his numbers are and so I thought people should have a reference point for what a good hitter like Miguel Cabrera was doing at 17. Now in a year and a half if the power numbers and the average dont start moving up then that to me would be a red flag.

Personally, I dont know what the guys going to be. Baseball’s extremely unpredictable, just look at David Wright. He’s got 3 home runs in 54 games. This is a guy who hit 33 last year. His swing is a mess right now.

Anyway, I hope the best for all the Met Prospects. Not just with their numbers but their health as well.

by mets4886 on Jun 6, 2025 11:00 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think you’re vastly underselling Reese Havens here. Unlike Tejeda, he has some pop, and he’s got better control of the strike zone than anyone in the system except for Thole. I think he winds up an above-average MLB 2nd baseman when all’s said and done, which puts him no lower than 4th in this system for me (yes, ahead of Flores).

by PhillyFriar on Jun 6, 2025 1:01 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Unlike Tejada, who is a plus shortstop or second baseman, Havens has no position defensively.

by T Pac on Jun 6, 2025 2:39 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No position?

I’ll admit I don’t know much about Havens’ defense, but from what I’ve read, he seems to be one of those college SS whose range isn’t really good enough to stay there in pro ball, but who should eventually work out fine at 2B. BA knocked his range, but praised his hands and arm strength, a formula that doesn’t exactly equate to “no position” in my mind.

by PhillyFriar on Jun 6, 2025 1:14 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No position may have been harsh, but it’s likely that he will be a below-average defender wherever he plays.

His lack range is going to be questionable even at 2B, and he’s already got 15 errors in only 44 games at shortstop, both of the throwing and fielding variety.

by T Pac on Jun 6, 2025 10:57 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

tejada

2d homer tonight. And, bb/k 9/9 in may, 5/1 in june.

His ops at 19 is higher at AA than Havens’ at 22 at A+. And I am not knocking Havens. But Tejada should be opening eyes. If he gets to .800 ops (and he may be on the way), at AA at 19? With the ss glove? That’s a top 50 or so minor leaguer. he may be headed there.

by wobatus on Jun 7, 2025 12:09 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

A little help

I will be asking these same exact type of questions on my radio show when I interview the Mets AA Announcer, Matt McCabe. If anyone is interested, I can post a link on how to listen.

#269

by mrmetaa on Jun 5, 2025 8:16 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

would like to know more on Thole's defense

He has shown that he can put balls in play and demonstrates a nice eye at the plate, but the real question is will his defense hold up at higher levels

by mtk52983 on Jun 5, 2025 8:59 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah

Not a chance he moves to first, he’s either a catcher or a Quadruple-A player.

Supposedly his defense has improved by leaps and bounds this year, but he’s still only been catching full time for two years, so he’s definitely a work in progress.

by Fanon on Jun 5, 2025 12:25 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The tendency will be wanting to move him up quickly as the Mets need a decent hitting catcher…. but he really needs a full season of AA and maybe at least half a season of AAA to make sure he’s not an embarrassment out there.

by Lunkwill Fook on Jun 5, 2025 1:31 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ruben Tejada

This is a modified re-post of something i just posted on amazinavenue.

Tejada really likes like he is putting it together, although he’ll need to keep it up.

Tejada, at age 19, in AA (Tholeis 22):

.281/.381/.377 for an ops of .758. His wOBA is .358. His iso is below .100, barely. WAR is .9. He is supposedly quite good in the field. And, although allegedly not that fast, he is 6/7 stealing bases this year.

His babip is .338. Likely not sustainable.

Fernando martinez at age 19 had a lower wOBA of .346, and an ops of .772. More power. And a babip of .343, also high (but not that out of line with his norm either).

At 19, Josh Thole had a wOBA of .284 in rookie ball.

At 19, Reese Havens had a line of .259/.348/.368 in the SEC.

And Tejada really poured it on in May this year. .309/.374/.415, hitting his first homer and getting the iso above .100. Not only that, from a 10 bb 22 k line in April, he went to 9 bb and 9 k in May.

John gave him a c+ coming into this year, noting his youth and fact he played in St. Lucie in giving him a break, and mentioned the slick glove and ability to control the strike zone.

We are talking about a guy who is performing way above Havens or Thole at the same age (SEC is good, but not AA, and rookie ball is no comparison). And, in some ways, he is outperforming Fernando Martinez at the same age in the same league. I mean, a slick fielding shortstop witha higher wOBA at the same age, what would you call that?

Sure, let’s see some more. Maybe the bat gets knocked out of his hands at higher levels. He doesn’t have the power. Thole’s babip is .409, and his iso is "just" .129, not all that much above tejada’s May performance.

Which isn’t a knock on Thole in any way, but shows how good Tejada might be. Imagine his line at 22 years old, Thole’s age, at AA.

by wobatus on Jun 5, 2025 10:44 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think Tejada is a decent prospect, I’m just not convinced he’s an everyday player (Or at least a better then average one). We’re talking about someone who really hasn’t hit for power at any level (Granted, he’s young and has been rushed), but I haven’t seen anybody who really thinks he will down the line, and doesn’t seem to be much more then an average baserunner.

Ability to hit for Average, Great On-Base Skills, and supposedly being a slick fielder should make him a future big leaguer, but what exactly is the upside? Castillo with Defense? Then again, if he accelerates the process of getting rid of Castillo the original to replace him with a near-minimum player, it might just be worth it just for any salary that’s saved.

Best Case for the Mets is Havens proves to be a big league 2B with some Pop and Tejada becomes a utility INF or trade bait though, at least IMO.

by adropofvenom on Jun 5, 2025 12:08 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Castillo with defense?

How quickly people forget. You mean the same Castillo with three gold gloves to his name? That guy? Because his defense was pretty awesome before his knees gave out on him.

by Fanon on Jun 5, 2025 12:27 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I was referring to the modern day Castillo, you know, the one after his knees gave out on him.

A Castillo back in the day comparison wouldn’t hold because Tejada isn’t about to put up a 60 SB season like Castillo in his prime did.

by adropofvenom on Jun 5, 2025 1:16 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

however

Tejada is on a pace for about 20 given a major league season’s worth of PAs, with a nice rate, and he is starting to show signs of being a better hitter, as detailed above. Castillo’s steal rate wasn’t that good in AA, for examble, either. And Luis was a gold glove 2b, not a ss. Yes, Ruben is a little blocked at ss. I think he shows a lot of promise. he is only 19 after all.

by wobatus on Jun 5, 2025 1:23 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Too early to tell on pop

He’s listed at 165…

But his Age vs. level is pretty convincing in making me think he can play everyday.

by METSMETSMETS on Jun 6, 2025 2:00 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Tejada

His ISO is now over .100. Not bad.

by T Pac on Jun 7, 2025 12:11 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ryan Theriot

He doesn’t have the speed or power to be a potential star. But his plate discipline and hitting skills could make him a good OBP guy, which is still pretty valuable in a good fielding SS. I’m thinking a Ryan Theriot type starter is a good potential comp. With maybe Anderson Hernandez as a sort of floor (though he’s probably got a bit less speed).

by acerimusdux on Jun 6, 2025 8:02 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Keep it up Tejada

He has struggled at every level up to this point but understandably so due to his age. I really dont see how he can be ranked higher than a B- at this point. Another year of this hitting or an improvement in leadoff potential and he can move up. I think Tejada is comparable to Alberto Callaspo who I was really hoping the Mets would have acquired back in 08 instead of re-signing Luis Castillo.

by BLieve on Jun 6, 2025 5:24 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

not true

Tejada has only struggled at one level up to this point, which was last year when he was a 18 year old playing in the FSL. He has performed very well in the VSL, GCL and now in the Eastern League.

by T Pac on Jun 6, 2025 10:59 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

at one point...

Josh Thole reminded me of former major leaguer Mark Johnson (who had exceptional plate discipline and nothing else). If Thole can keep it up however, he might be half as good as Darrin Fletcher?

which is not a knock on either player.

"Fantasy, reality, science Fiction. Which is which? Who can tell?"

by feslenraster on Jun 5, 2025 5:49 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Mets prospects
  1. A- Martinez - ’nough said about this guy.
  2. B+ Holt - has made good progress on SL and CU. Both are average now but SL is likely to be above average. What ranks him this high is command of FB sitting 93-94 with easy mechanics and ability to sustain stuff, handle workload.
  3. B+ Mejia - his pure stuff is better than Holt. I think better than Kazmir at same age in this league. Best FB in system, 93-95, touching higher, with exceptional FB command. CU is really two-seam FB variation which he can cut and move in different directions. CB shows above average potential, but command of it is still spotty.
  4. B Flores - very high ceiling, exceptional pitch recognition, swing and bat speed. Defensively will likely end up at 3B or 1B. Might be OK in RF, with a bit below average speed but good arm.
  5. B- Brant Rustich - a bit under the radar, but two above average to plus pitches in FB/SL combo. Split-change was third potential plus pitch, but he may no longer be throwing it due to finger issues. He’s a bit overweight, and the body, mechanics, and injury concerns are what keep him from ranking higher. But has as much potential as Holt if healthy and developed as a SP. Late inning potential with FB/SL as reliever.
  6. B- Ike Davis - the Mets have done a good job correcting the mechanical flaws in Davis’s swing. The approach the Mets teach emphasizes pure hitting, getting on base, and and hitting line drives, similar to Murphy/Thole. As a result Davis will come to the majors as a Lyle Overbay type. The 40-HR potential suggested by scoutingbook is a gross exaggeration, but the 15-20 suggested by Matt Eddy may be too pessimistic for his peak. He has much more raw power than a Dan Murphy. As in add at least 10 to what you think Murphy is capable of for his ceiling.
  7. B- Jon Niese - was clearly over rated entering the season but is now maybe getting under rated a bit. Apparently the Mets made some alterations in ST to his change up and his FB grip that he has been working on in AAA. He’ll struggle for a bit to get the new release points right. Still a good #4 LHSP type.
  8. B- Reese Havens - some seem to have doubts about his defense, but from what I’ve seen he should fit nicely at 2B, if his hands are soft enough. Range is poor for SS but not bad for 2B. 10 errors in 22 games in April was ugly, but 4 in 22 games in May an improvement. A lot were throws or rushing to throw. I think the hands are better than his first pro month in the field suggests.
  9. C+ Kirk Nieuwenhuis - still a bit of a sleeper, but a solid enough defender in CF, good size & athleticism, nice swing, and showing some pop. If the power keeps up, and he is able to bring the average up a bit, there is Hunter Pence potential here. Tools are Hunter Pence or Ryan Church level, OK for CF, could be plus for a corner.
  10. C+ Josh Thole - I know he’s impressing in AA, but keep in mind guys with little pop aren’t going to draw as many walks vs. MLB pitching. If Murphy is a potential .780 OPS type, you can expect Thole at best to be more of a .740-.760 OPS type, between his less natural power and the rigors of catching. That’s not bad for a catcher, but his defense is also in doubt. He showed some good potential aside from a below average arm when I saw him last year, and I’ve seen nothing but praise for the progress he’s made since then. But I still suspect he’s more of a good platoon guy than a starter.
  11. C+ Ruben Tejada - his small size and frame still raise some doubts about his ceiling. But the all around skills, both defensive skills in the field, and patience and contact ability at the plate, are very impressive for his age. Even if he develops more doubles power though, his ceiling might still be a Clint Barmes type. His ability to draw walks is intriguing though. Clint Barmes would a pretty good MLB SS if he could post a .340 OBP (as opposed to his usual .310).
  12. C+ Dillon Gee - a back end SP or bullpen arm, but despite average velocity, his outstanding command and feel continue to get results. He’s 5th in th IL this season with 12.6% swinging strikes, behind only David Hernandez (16.2%), Kris Medlin (14.2%), Tommy Hanson (13.7%) and Clay Buchholz (13.0%). His velocity is average, but his “stuff” is better than people think.
  13. C+ Jefry Marte - you could rank him higher if you want to put more emphasis on ceiling.
  14. C+ Scott Moviel - out the first half of the season due to injury, he should be back in action very soon.
  15. C+ Francisco Pena - has been very impressive this season defensively. Has patience and power, but the numbers aren’t there yet. Give him time.
  16. C+ Nick Carr - his FB/SL combo isn’t too far behind Rustich out of the pen. He has been much improved this year, sitting mid 90’s with much more consistent mechanics and command
     

 

by acerimusdux on Jun 6, 2025 12:12 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Niese and Rustich

On Niese: It appears that he has everything clicking except for a groundball pitch. Even in the majors, Niese had good stuff, struck out a few and didn’t walk too many, but every hitter got the same thing: A bloop single. by looking at his GO/AO, you can tell he’s a pitching that thrives when the ball is on the ground, but higher level hitters are taking his fastball and changeup and curve in the air. In AAA, it seems pretty likely that they are working in a slider for him, and maybe that will induce more grounders. Overall I think he’s still very deserving of a B, and to be #5 on this list.

On Rustich: I don’t see how a 24 year old right handed reliever in A+ ball can be rated that highly. He only has two pitches and has little to no chance of EVER receiving a start. He has no special pitches or a very deceptive delivery, and he isn’t showing as much “domination” of that level as a 24 year old of B- caliber should.

Also: Jeurys Familia and Ruben Tejada have earned their way to the Top 10 at this point, and Robert Carson to the top 20. I’d also consider Zach Lutz and Sean Ratliff, who both have some power potential. and why Scott Moviel or Francsico Pena are up there at all.

by METSMETSMETS on Jun 6, 2025 2:12 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Niese and Rustich

I don’t think Niese is adding a slider, but he has been working on his cutter, which he could locate better, and already throws 2 different curves.

On Rustich, age shouldn’t really be an issue for a pitcher, he was drafted recently and set back by injury, and they are using him as a starter. He’s been working on a starters schedule, made 8 starts last season and one just last night. I’ve seen all three of his pitches described as “plus”, though I think they are more above average bordering on plus. If he continues to improve his FB command and feel I will consider it plus. Overall, I think it’s debateable whether his stuff is better than Holt’s. Or more accurately, his raw stuff is clearly better than Holt’s (better SL and CU), but he lacks SP experience and thus lacks feel and pitchability.

On the other guys, I see these guys in St. Lucie, so I’m not sure on exactly where to rank Familia and Carson, but they must be in the mix there. Coultas, Puello, Ratliff, Kunz, and Niesen would all be in the mix by 15-25 as well. Lutz probably should also be; I sort of see him as a Ty Wigginton type. He’s pretty good at 3B though.

On Pena, he has elite tools for the CA position. Much higher ceiling than Thole. At only 19, I’ll give him time for the numbers to start to match.

by acerimusdux on Jun 6, 2025 3:57 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs


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