Working on the Giants
by John Sickels on Nov 27, 2025 6:20 PM EST
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Working on the Giants for the book. Preliminary player list after the jump.
San Francisco Giants 40 players
Ehire Adrianza SS
Brock Bond 2B
Jorge Buchardo RHP
Madison Bumgarner LHP
Jose Casilla RHP
Craig Clark LHP
Edward Concepcion RHP
Brandon Crawford SS
Chris Dominguez 3B
Matt Downs 2B
Steve Edelfsen RHP
Darren Ford OF
Conor Gillaspie 3B
Matt Graham RHP
Waldis Joaquin RHP
Tommy Joseph C
Roger Kieschnick OF
Osiris Matos RHP
Thomas Neal OF
Kyle Nicholson RHP
Nick Noonan 2B
Dan Otero RHP
Joe Paterson LHP
Francisco Peguero OF
Brett Pill 1B
Buster Posey C
Rafael Rodriguez OF
Ari Ronick LHP
Dan Runzler LHP
Hector Sanchez C
Ben Snyder LHP
Henry Sosa RHP
Jason Stoffel RHP
Eric Surkamp LHP
Clayton Tanner LHP
Jeremy Toole RHP
Angel Villalona 1B
Ydwin Villegas SS
Craig Westcott RHP
Zack Wheeler RHP
I had originally included Jesus Guzman and Ryan Rohlinger but cut them for age. I could cut Matt Downs too but I like him for some reason.
Who am I missing that you want included? I have to start keeping this to no more than 40 players per organization.
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Brandon Belt.
He deserves to be in there over Jeremy Toole when using the ’09 draft class for comparison.
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by Andy Seiler on Nov 27, 2025 6:52 PM EST reply actions
belt
Yeah, I thought about him. Saw him play in college and was fairly impressed.
by John Sickels on Nov 27, 2025 8:32 PM EST up reply actions
i had it in my mind that the giants system would stand out
for some reason. I mean, not top tier system, but good. that said, skimming over this initial player list, it doesn’t look that impressive to me. eh, maybe i’m way off.
by toonsterwu on Nov 27, 2025 6:58 PM EST reply actions
Agreed
I think this system took a step backwards.
by jar75 on Nov 27, 2025 8:54 PM EST up reply actions
Yea
The loss of Tim Alderson really will create a drop in the rankings of the Giants system. Oh, and Scott Barnes.
by Matt Rox on Nov 27, 2025 9:18 PM EST up reply actions
Is this sarcasm?
This system has taken some pretty big hits. Bumgarner’s fallen from elite status, and Alderson and Villialona were both borderline top-100. Noonan, Gillaspie, and Ishikawa all had disappointing years. I don’t see how this system hasn’t taken a step back, unless you always thought it began and ended with Posey.
by PissedMick on Nov 27, 2025 9:57 PM EST up reply actions
Bumgarner's fallen from elite status?
I really don’t think so.
He was 19 in AA for most of the season. His peripherals weren’t the earth shattering awesome they were in ’08, but they were still pretty damn good, and he was still very, very young for the league.
He’s not putting up oh-my-gawd breathtaking peripherals like he put up in A ball last year, but he’s still showing some relative dominance. He’s got a ways to go, but he’s still elite. If the Giants don’t do something stupid like rush him up to MLB, of course. Or trade him for some mediocre vet.
He may not be top 5 in MLB, but I probably wouldn’t hesitate to put him in top 20.
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by Blicks on Nov 28, 2025 9:02 AM EST up reply actions
Not sure if he's fallen
But his velocity was in the mid to upper 80s, that’s worrisome to me.
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by jbluestone on Nov 28, 2025 3:01 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
this
some of the bloom is off the rose for this reason. it’ll be interesting to see if he gets any velocity back in the next year or so.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Nov 28, 2025 3:24 PM EST up reply actions
well
Looking at what’s in the system now, I just wonder if the system was sort of overhyped. I don’t know - maybe I have false image in my head, but it seemed like folks were fairly high on the Giants system this year in reading review. I’m not real impressed with the depth in the system, and I don’t think there’s that many elite chips at the top. I mean, all systems have raw chips in the lower levels (I’m fairly intrigued with Jorge Buchardo and Hector Sanchez seems to be a very intriguing asset).
I still like Bumgarner. Willing to give him the benefit of the doubt on any drops in velo from the low 90’s to the high 80’s. I mean, sometimes it happens and it’s a serious issue, and sometimes, it isn’t. I like Clayton Tanner as an end of the rotation type arm. But … I’m still taking a wait and see on Noonan. I think Crawford was a bit overhyped this year, and Gillaspie doesn’t interest me. I don’t see enough high ceiling arms, and I don’t see many positional assets that scream out to me. Certainly, development in the near future of some raw assets could change things.
I don’t think the system is bad (should still be top 20) but based on the discussions here, and elsewhere, I thought the system would be better than this. But then again maybe it’s me.
by toonsterwu on Nov 28, 2025 2:45 PM EST up reply actions
The Giants system is almost completely devoid of B/B- prospects
There are, what, 2? 3 if you’re high on Rafael Rodriguez? Very little depth in this system until you get to the C grades.
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by PaulThomas on Nov 29, 2025 5:35 PM EST up reply actions
I thought i saw the Giants released Osiris Matos as a minor league free agent
I could be wrong though. Kevin Pucetas and Mike McBryde should be on the list
by Gobroks on Nov 27, 2025 8:41 PM EST reply actions
Correct. Matos is no longer a Giant.
Bret Pill and Darren Ford’s rankings should go up significantly
by Matt Rox on Nov 27, 2025 9:15 PM EST up reply actions
Differences with my top 40
Joe Martinez
Wendell Fairley
Dan Turpen
Aaron King
as well as the already mentioned Guzman, Rohlinger, and Belt.
by nelson95 on Nov 27, 2025 10:44 PM EST reply actions
40
No on Fairley. I don’t believe in him at all. Martinez is sort of the pitching version of Rohlinger or Downs…I could put him in. Turpen and King and Belt are all possibiliies also.
by John Sickels on Nov 28, 2025 2:25 PM EST up reply actions
Nick Liles
I’d have him over Bond. Liles is in a place to have a similar development curve and is better or equal in every tool.
by Archie A on Nov 27, 2025 11:30 PM EST reply actions
liles
Too far away. …college guy needs to show more than that in the Arizona rookie league.
by John Sickels on Nov 28, 2025 2:26 PM EST up reply actions
I'm a big Thomas Neal fan
He was old for his level but I still like him.
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by ravensfan3 on Nov 27, 2025 11:38 PM EST via mobile reply actions
He’s 21. That’s not that old for A+ is it?
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by boonitez on Nov 28, 2025 12:31 AM EST up reply actions
Not at all.
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by hero66 on Nov 28, 2025 12:40 AM EST up reply actions
Oh my bad I thought he was older around 23
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by ravensfan3 on Nov 28, 2025 11:33 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Should we bother with Villalona?
Seems like he might be done for a while if not forever?
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by jbluestone on Nov 28, 2025 12:26 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Villalona was dropped of charges wasn't he?
by Marinerfanjake on Nov 28, 2025 12:51 AM EST reply actions
Kind of...
The family of the victim asked the judge to drop the charges which he did, however the prosecutor is still planning on taking him to court. As best I can tell, the charges that were dropped were filed by the family, so the government can still file charges themselves. The rumor is that Villalona paid about 150K to get the family to drop charges, so I have little doubt that whatever witnesses there are may similarly go silent.
by Franchise887 on Nov 28, 2025 3:09 AM EST up reply actions
sigh
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by Blicks on Nov 28, 2025 8:55 AM EST up reply actions
Last we’d heard of the Villalona case was that he was released of all fault, which we took as the family dropped the charges (most probably because of a payoff) and that since they no longer will testify there is no criminal case either.
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by WalrusMan on Nov 29, 2025 1:13 PM EST up reply actions
not sure
Not sure what to do about Angel. Might drop him.
by John Sickels on Nov 28, 2025 2:27 PM EST up reply actions
Julio Izturis, 2B. Borderline Top 20/honorable mention candidate. Wilmin Rodriguez, LHP. Fairly promising stuff despite the age-relative-to-league factor.
by StickRat on Nov 28, 2025 1:27 AM EST reply actions
izturis
20 years old and no power in rookie ball.
by John Sickels on Nov 28, 2025 2:29 PM EST up reply actions
true
True. and about a zillion other guys who didn’t make it.
by John Sickels on Nov 28, 2025 3:16 PM EST up reply actions
Fair enough. Maybe I’m biased because I’m rooting for a Name That Izturis segment on Baseball Tonight.
by StickRat on Nov 28, 2025 3:18 PM EST up reply actions
he also has great defense, speed, and ability to take a walk
from what I heard he is larger than his brothers and is expected to gain more power as he develops.
by zeisenbe on Nov 29, 2025 6:42 PM EST up reply actions
Jose Valdez
Finally pitched and was ok..maybe a sleeper for 2010
by NYSOX on Nov 28, 2025 9:49 AM EST reply actions
Ariel Hernandez
6-figure LA signee in 2008 who put up good numbers in the AZ league.
Cameron Lamb also did well in the AZ league - good stuff, some control issues and is old for the league (coming back from injury) but is worth watching.
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by tedfordfan on Nov 28, 2025 11:56 AM EST via mobile reply actions
ariel
Ariel was in the Dominican Summer League, not the Arizona Rookie League. Not going to include him at this point.
by John Sickels on Nov 28, 2025 2:32 PM EST up reply actions
I like Izturis. I’d think Aaron King needs to be on the list somewhere.
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by Roger on Nov 28, 2025 11:57 AM EST reply actions
drops
OK, so far I’m dropping Matos, Toole, and Villalona, while adding King, Belt, and Rohlenger.
by John Sickels on Nov 28, 2025 2:33 PM EST reply actions
list
current list:
Ehire Adrianza SS
Brandon Belt 1B
Brock Bond 2B
Jorge Buchardo RHP
Madison Bumgarner LHP
Jose Casilla RHP
Craig Clark LHP
Edward Concepcion RHP
Brandon Crawford SS
Chris Dominguez 3B
Matt Downs 2B
Steve Edelfsen RHP
Darren Ford OF
Conor Gillaspie 3B
Matt Graham RHP
Waldis Joaquin RHP
Tommy Joseph C
Roger Kieschnick OF
Aaron King LHP
Thomas Neal OF
Kyle Nicholson RHP
Nick Noonan 2B
Dan Otero RHP
Joe Paterson LHP
Francisco Peguero OF
Brett Pill 1B
Buster Posey C
Rafael Rodriguez OF
Ari Ronick LHP
Dan Runzler LHP
Hector Sanchez C
Ben Snyder LHP
Henry Sosa RHP
Jason Stoffel RHP
Eric Surkamp LHP
Clayton Tanner LHP
Ydwin Villegas SS
Craig Westcott RHP
Zack Wheeler RHP
by John Sickels on Nov 28, 2025 2:34 PM EST reply actions
additional names to consider?
Edwin Quirarte
Daryl Maday
Juan Martinez
Juan Perez
Evan Crawford
Mike McBryde
Jackson Williams
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by nostocksjustbonds on Nov 28, 2025 3:32 PM EST reply actions
Mcbryde should be in there somewhere.
Does anyone know how Juan Perez’s conversion to second went? If it takes that should up his stock a little bit.
by Keenlow on Nov 28, 2025 4:38 PM EST up reply actions
They were playing him in in the OF a lot the second half the season, so it doesn’t seem that it went that well.
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by Roger on Nov 28, 2025 5:02 PM EST up reply actions
The team prefers him in the outfield. A big part of his season was that he was wearing a heavy knee brace that limited his mobility. He got a smaller one midseason, but he should be without it next season. Machemer says he’s one to keep an eye on once it’s off.
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by BruteSentiment on Nov 29, 2025 4:29 AM EST up reply actions
that’s good news.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Nov 30, 2025 9:17 PM EST up reply actions
After Posey, Bumgarner, Wheeler, and Thomas Neal who stands out?
Is it Brandon Crawford next? Henry Sosa?
or Nick Noonan? or what about Rafael Rodriguez is Raffy still atop 10 or 12 prospect for the Giants overall?
I’ll be interested to see where 1. Kieschnick 2. Joaquin 3. Gillaspie 4. Dominguez 5. Joseph
rank out in the end.
And Pucetas ? how far has he fallen?
Deolis Guerra = Daniel Cabrera ?
I tend to think so
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Nov 28, 2025 3:51 PM EST reply actions
I'd pick Joseph highest of that group.
The power potential is outstanding, though the questions about the glove are legitimate.
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by Andy Seiler on Nov 28, 2025 6:28 PM EST up reply actions
more than the glove
im worried about his ability to put the bat on the ball, he’s horrible.
by zeisenbe on Nov 29, 2025 6:44 PM EST up reply actions
What?
You aren’t talking about Joseph, right?
Juan Carlos Perez, please start hitting.
by marcello on Nov 30, 2025 12:13 AM EST up reply actions
I like Kieschnick
but I probably overrate him a bit. He and Joseph are top 10 guys. Gillaspie and Dominguez are in the 12-20 range and Joaquin is in the high teens/ low 20’s.
by Gobroks on Nov 28, 2025 6:58 PM EST up reply actions
My top 20 w/ grades
1. Madison Bumgarner (A-)
2. Buster Posey (A-)
3. Thomas Neal (B)
4. Zack Wheeler (B)
5. Roger Kieschnick (B-)
6. Brandon Crawford (B-)
7. Tommy Joseph (C+)
7. Dan Runzler (C+)
8. Chris Dominguez (C+)
9. Ben Snyder ©
10. Nick Noonan ©
11. Rafael Rodriguez ©
12. Craig Clark ©
13. Bret Pill ©
14. Hector Sanchez ©
15. Darren Ford ©
16. Henry Sosa ©
17. Brock Bond ©
18. Francisco Peguero ©
19. Dan Otero ©
20. Conor Gillaspie ©
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by strums on Nov 29, 2025 10:08 AM EST up reply actions
No, that’s a SBN thing.
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by WalrusMan on Nov 29, 2025 1:16 PM EST up reply actions
good. i was worried about what the Giants would do if half of their top 20 prospects were copyrighted…
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by nostocksjustbonds on Nov 30, 2025 9:18 PM EST up reply actions
I can't imagine taking Bumgarner over Posey.
Posey’s one of the top handful of bats in the minors, in terms of upside and probability of reaching it. That’s in addition to the fact that he plays solid defense in the hardest position to fill on the field.
Even if Bumgarner still had his 2008 stuff, there’s no way I’d take him over a player like Posey.
by PissedMick on Nov 29, 2025 11:29 AM EST up reply actions
Not as strange a concept as putting Ben Snyder in the Top 10.
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by Roger on Nov 29, 2025 11:43 AM EST up reply actions
Crawford
I think that grade is too high. He has a good glove, but I don’t like his bat and I’d rather have Nick Noonan.
by jar75 on Nov 29, 2025 12:31 PM EST up reply actions
I mostly agree with the top group
I must be much more liberal with the C+ grade than you though.
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by PaulThomas on Nov 29, 2025 5:39 PM EST up reply actions
Oops
I guess it happens in this text block as well, don’t know how to fix that.
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by strums on Nov 29, 2025 10:10 AM EST reply actions
Can
anyone give me an idea if there any intrest or play on a catcher named Johnny Monell, my nephew played with him at Seminole cc in Florida. Monell caught this season at low A ball with at Augusta. Believe he’s playing this winter in Puerto Rico.
by Slamdog on Nov 29, 2025 2:41 PM EST reply actions
I dunno, if you’re going to let Downs in, there’s no real reason not to let Rohlinger in too.
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
by oldjacket on Nov 29, 2025 3:43 PM EST reply actions
David Quinowski
Probably the last guy on the 40 and shouldn’t be any higher, but he was on an upward trajectory until getting hurt.
He was healthy this year rehabbing in SS. Was going multiple innings at the end of the year. 10.1 K/9 in his career, had success in High-A before getting hurt. Could pull a Runzler next year if he stay healthy. Better bet to contribute than Downs.
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