Rich Wilson's Top 100 Prospects (#1-#25)
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1. Bryce Harper – OF (Washington Nationals)
I had Harper listed at #2 in June’s 2011 Top 50 list, but the more I see Harper, the more I’m realizing that we are looking at a very special player. Harper has true 80 grade raw power that could translate into 40+ home runs in the majors. He’ll have decent speed initially (10-15 stolen bases per year) but as the body fills out, the speed will diminish. There has also been a lot of discussion about Harper’s make-up. What I’ve seen and experienced is an intense competitor that has a great relationship with his teammates and works extremely hard. Is he going to be an arrogant megastar? Possibly, but I’ll take that and the great make-up any day of the week.
2. Mike Trout – OF (Los Angeles Angels)
Everyone got a chance to see Trout display his skills in the Majors last season. While the production was not there, a careful observer could see the plate discipline, bat speed, and raw 80 speed that will make him a potential all-star for years. A scary comp is Carl Crawford with more power or Grady Sizemore (circa 2008) with a .300 batting average. His make-up is off the charts as is illustrated by his participation in the AFL. After a long season that included significant playing time in the majors, Trout was there.
3. Matt Moore - LHP (Tampa Rays)
Matt Moore came into his own over the 2011 season, culminating in an impressive 7.0 IP, 2 hit, and 6 strikeout performance in the ALDS. The scary thing about the performance was Moore’s stuff was not at it’s best that afternoon. When you see Matt Moore pitch, it’s hard to believe that he’s hitting the upper 90’s with his fastball. The delivery is free and easy with great movement. His curve is a plus-plus tool and his change-up has moved to a 55-60 pitch. Throw in great control and you’ve got a future Ace. The only question left is will the Rays put him in the starting rotation out of Spring Training or hold him back ala Desmond Jennings? Bet on the former.
4. Julio Teheran – RHP (Atlanta Braves)
The Braves have been very aggressive with Julio Teheran’s development, moving him quickly through the organization and even starting him three times in the majors during the 2011 season. All three of those starts were sub-optimal and illustrates while Teheran is very advanced at age 20, he still has room for improvement. Some have even started to sour on Teheran’s upside and while his breaking ball is average at best, his fastball, change-up and command are all plus.
5. Shelby Miller – RHP (St. Louis)
Recently promoted to Double A, Miller has a 93-95 MPH fastball with an above average curve. The command is still developing. There’s a lot to like with Miller and along with Julio Teheran, is the best right-handed pitching prospect in the minors.
6. Jesus Montero – DH (New York Yankees)
The Yankees are a veteran team that takes delicate managing of the many egos on the team. That style of managing led to Jorge Posada playing DH in 2011, forcing one of the best hitting prospects in the minors to continue to hone his craft down on the farm. The reports of Montero being bored are well known. But once he got a chance, he showed the 70 hit tool and power that will make Montero an absolute beast in the Majors. I have Montero listed as a DH and playing for the Yankees, that is what his position will be. If he gets traded, don’t expect him to play catcher, but instead, be moved to 1B.
7. Anthony Rendon – 3B (Washington Nationals)
The Washington Nationals have two of the top 7 prospects in the minor leagues. That’s impressive. While listed second on the Nationals depth chart, Rendon has future star written all over him. He has a very quick bat that moves fast and level through the hitting zone with great plate discipline. That approach should make Rendon a .300 hitter with plus power (20-25) at full maturity. Rendon is also a very nice defender and has the tools to stay at 3B. If the Nationals make a long-term commitment to Ryan Zimmerman, Rendon has the quickness to move to 2B. The speed is only average given his multiple ankle surgeries over the past two years.
8. Jurickson Profar – SS (Texas Rangers)
Everybody talked about how young Bryce Harper was in the Sally League, but Jurickson Profar, the young shortstop prospect from the Texas Rangers, was even younger and wound up as the MVP of the league. Profar has five average to above average tools with no apparent weakness but also no true elite skill. In Low-A, Profar hit 12 home runs, stole 23 bases with a 65/63 strikeout to walk ratio. He defense is also excellent with an above average lateral movement and arm. Scott Boras and Elvis Andrus might equal Jurickson Profar in 2014.
9. Gerrit Cole – RHP (Pittsburgh Pirates)
Cole was the 2011 #1 overall pick in the amateur draft out of UCLA. He has elite stuff with an upper 90's fastball, a nasty change-up and an improving slider. He was being compared at the beginning of the college season to Stephen Strasburg, but scouts quickly realized that while the stuff is there, the command is lacking. A 6-4 and 220lbs, Cole should have the body to endure 200+ innings at the major league level. In his highly anticipated AFL debut, Cole did not disappoint; lighting up the radar with several triple digit readings.
10. Devin Mesoraco – C (Cincinnati Reds)
With Jesus Montero destined to be a designated hitter, Devin Mesoraco is now clearly the #1 catching prospect in the minors and has an excellent chance to break Spring Training with the Cincinnati Reds. Mesoraco is primarily an offensive catcher, although his defensive skills have improved in the last year. While he has a big hard swing, he makes great contact at 81% and also is walking at a clip of 11%. The power in Triple-A yielded 15 home runs but as he matures, Mesoraco should be able to contribute 20+ home runs annually. Wrap it all up and you have a first division catcher with all-star potential.
11. Manny Machado – SS (Baltimore Orioles)
Taken as the #3 overall pick in the 2010 Rule 4 draft, Machado had a terrific 1st year in professional ball given his age. Machado’s combines strong wrist and a quick bat to go along with above average power and speed to form a scary package of a future all-star shortstop. He also has shown nice plate discipline and approach with an 81% contact rate and a 12% walk rate between Low-A and High-A.
12. Jacob Turner – RHP (Detroit Tigers)
Tall projectable pitcher with smooth mechanics with great velocity (94MPH-96MPH) and the ability to spin a curve. Change-up is improving and while only 20, look for the Tigers to break camp with him as the #5 pitcher in the starting rotation.
13. Wil Myers – OF (Kansas City Royals)
A nasty knee infection slowed the development for Wil Myers in 2011, but the hit tool remains solid. While the move to the outfield will accelerate his path to the majors, the dream of an elite hitting prospect behind the plate is gone. In many 2011 pre-season list, Myers was a top 20 prospect but based on his 2011 season, his ranking could very well fall. However, don’t be fooled, Myers has tremendous upside and all-star potential.
14. Dylan Bundy – RHP (Baltimore Orioles)
One of the more advanced high school pitchers to be drafted in quite a while, Bundy sits 94-96MPH with a clean delivery and an advanced change-up for an 18 year-old. Many scouts believe that he has the highest ceiling of any pitcher taken in the 2011 draft. Expect Bundy to start in Low-A or even High-A to start the 2012 season.
15. Trevor Bauer – RHP (Arizona Diamondbacks)
In February, scouts initially went to UCLA games to see Gerrit Cole, but stayed for the Saturday game and saw the emergence of Trevor Bauer. Bauer is an advanced pitcher that led Division I in strikeouts with a 92-95MPH fastball and two above average breaking balls. He signed quickly and excelled in 25.2 innings in High-A and Double-A striking out 43 and walking 12. He does have a funky delivery that turned some scouts off but reminded others of Tim Lincecum. Bauer is on a fast track and could make his major league debut in 2012 with a #2 ceiling.
16. Taijuan Walker – RHP (Seattle Mariners)
Taijuan Walker has as much talent as any pitcher on this list. His fastball sits in the mid 90’s touching higher with a plus power curve. He’s still working on his change-up, but it projects to also be an above average pitch. Even after tiring in August, Walker managed to strikeout 113 batters in 96.2 innings while walking only 39 in the Midwest League (Low-A). At 6-4 and 195 lbs, Walker has the body that can handle the 200 innings that a staff ace eventually will have to log, particularly after he fills out. He’ll move up to the difficult CAL League (High-A) next spring.
17. Jameson Taillon – RHP (Pittsburgh Pirates)
The Pirates took it very easy with their prized prospect, the #2 pick in the 2010 draft by limiting his starts to a maximum of 5 IP pitched per outing. At 6’ 6” and 220lbs, sitting in the mid-90’s with a plus curve ball already, Taillon has future Ace written all over him. In 2012, he should be promoted to High-A and have the training wheels lowered a bit to start working on his change-up, a pitch that Pittsburgh rarely let him throw in 2011.
18. Martin Perez – RHP (Texas Rangers)
Martin Perez has some of the best stuff in the minor leagues with three plus pitches and great mechanics. His fastball sits 92-95MPH with good movement while his curve rates plus and his change-up even better. While he has smooth mechanics, it has not manifested itself into great results as the command has been lacking (120K/56BB). He is still rated very high in part because he will only turn 21 at the start of next season and has already made it to Triple-A. The future is still very bright.
19. Travis d’Arnaud – C (Toronto Blue Jays)
d’Arnaud quietly had a nice season in Double-A New Hampshire showing a 77% contact rate, 8% walk rate while hitting 311, slugging .542, and hitting 21 home runs. He doesn’t have the raw power of major league incumbent J.P Arencibia, but his hit tool is superior. d’Arnaud should start 2012 in Triple-A Las Vegas and the positive hitting environment should play well for him. It will be interesting to see what Toronto does long-term as they now have two legitimate catchers in Travis d’Arnaud and J.P. Arencibia.
20. Tyler Skaggs – RHP (Arizona Diamondbacks)
Taken as the player to be named later in the Dan Haren trade, there’s a lot to dream on with Skaggs. He has size at 6-4 as well as plus velocity at 92-94MPH. To complement the fastball, Skaggs also has a plus classic 12-6 curve that he can control with a change-up that has now ticked up to above average. The best news is that he’s still very young at 20 years-old and may wind up being the best of an elite minor league crop of Diamondback pitchers.
21. Danny Hultzen – LHP (Seattle Mariners)
Danny Hultzen was taken with the #3 pick in the 2011 amateur draft by the Seattle Mariners. He possess a 91-94MHP fast ball with a good slider and change-up. The thing that sets Hultzen apart is his excellent command and polished approach to pitching. While his ceiling might not be as high as some of other standout pitchers in the 2011 draft, he should quickly work his way through the Mariners system with a 2012 major league appearance in the cards.
22. Hak-Ju Lee – SS (Tampa Bay Rays)
Chris Archer was supposed to be the center piece of the 2011 Matt Garza trade, but Hak-Ju Lee has surpassed him and is now the shortstop of the future in Tampa Bay. Lee has nice plate discipline and patience to go with plus speed and defensive ability. Across two levels in 2011, Lee had a 94K/53BB in 500 at bats resulting in a .292 average. This profile should play very well once Lee is promoted to the big leagues. While Lee stole 33 bases, he was thrown out 16 times and will need to improve in order to be considered an elite base stealer.
23. Carlos Martinez – RHP (St. Louis Cardinals)
Incredible young talented 20-year old with an explosive fastball that reaches the upper 90’s with late movement. Improving curve and an emerging change-up have scouts excited about the potential. Command is not there yet and as the Futures Game showed, Martinez can get amped up and overthrow. The stuff and velocity says “Ace”, the body at 6-0 at 170 have scouts unsure on whether he’s a starter or a late inning reliever.
24. Jean Segura – SS (Los Angeles Angels)
Hamstring problems hindered the explosive Jean Segura this year but there is a lot of talent in the 21-year old Dominican shortstop. He has a very wide batting stance with little lower body movement that allows him to have great balance through his swing and produce hard line drives to all fields. Segura posses plus speed and his 50 stolen bases in 2010 should be able to project once he arrives in the majors. Barring another physical setup, Segura will start the year in Double-A with a September call-up not out of the question.
25. Manny Banuelos – LHP (New York Yankees)
Manny Banuelos was all the talk a year ago as he exploded on the scene with an impressive 85K/25BB ratio in 62.2 innings showing a fastball sitting 93-95 and touching 97 with a great 12-6 curve. In 2011, the stuff remained the same but the command was not nearly as good as he progressed to the upper minors. Now people are questioning his size at 5-11 and 170. While not a star, I think a great comp is Wandy Rodriguez. The pitching style and delivery is very similar.
Here is the remainder of the list (#26-#101). The details can be found here(#26-#75) here(#51-#75) and here(#76-#101)
26. Nolan Arenado - 3B (Colorado Rockies)
27. Arodys Vizcaino – RHP (Atlanta Braves)
28. Zack Wheeler – RHP (New York Mets)
29. Gary Brown – OF (San Francisco Giants)
30. Mike Montgomery – LHP (Kansas City Royals)
31. Jarrod Parker – RHP (Oakland A’s)
32. Drew Pomeranz – LHP (Colorado Rockies)
33. Jonathan Singleton – 1B (Houston Astros)
34. James Paxton – LHP (Seattle Mariners)
35. Matt Harvey – RHP (New York Mets)
36. Zach Lee – RHP (Los Angeles Dodgers)
37. Miguel Sano -3B (Minnesota Twins)
38. Dellin Betances – RHP (New York Yankees)
39. Brad Peacock – RHP (Oakland A’s)
40. Neil Ramirez – RHP(Texas Rangers)
41. Yasmani Grandal - C (San Diego)
42. Wilin Rosario – C (Colorado Rockies)
43. Michael Choice - OF (Oakland A’s)
44. Leonys Martin – OF (Texas Rangers)
45. Yonder Alonso – 1B (San Diego Padres)
46. Aaron Hicks – OF (Minnesota Twins)
47. Jake Marisnick – OF (Toronto Blue Jays)
48. Anthony Rizzo – 1B (Chicago Cubs)
49. Bubba Starling – OF (Kansas City Royals)
50. Gary Sanchez – C (New York Yankees)
51. Jonathan Schoop – 2B (Baltimore Orioles)
52. Oscar Taveres – OF (St. Louis Cardinals)
53. Randall Delgado – RHP (Atlanta Braves)
54. Jake Odorizzi – RHP (Kansas City Royals)
55. Francisco Lindor – SS (Cleveland Indians)
56. Nick Franklin –SS (Seattle Mariners)
57. Trevor May – RHP (Philadelphia Phillies)
58. Jarred Cosart – RHP (Houston Astros)
59. Archie Bradley – RHP (Arizona Diamondbacks)
60. Tim Wheeler OF (Colorado Rockies)
61. Rymer Liriano – OF (San Diego Padres)
62. Xander Bogaerts – 2B/3B (Boston Red Sox)
63. Casey Kelly – RHP (San Diego Padres)
64. Billy Hamilton – SS (Cincinnati Reds)
65. Kotlen Wong – 2B (St. Louis Cardinals)
66. Christian Yelich – OF (Miami Marlins)
67. Anthony Gose – OF (Toronto Blue Jays)
68. Will Middlebrook – 3B (Boston Red Sox)
69. Nick Castellanos -3B (Detroit Tigers)
70. Brett Jackson –OF (Chicago Cubs)
71. Oswaldo Arcia – OF (Minnesota Twins)
72. Corey Spandenberg – 2B (San Diego Padres)
73. Cheslor Cuthbert – 3B (Kansas City Royals)
74. A.J. Cole – RHP (Washington Nationals)
75. Drew Hutchinson – RHP (Toronto Blue Jays)
76. Bryce Brentz – OF (Boston Red Sox)
77. John Lamb – LHP (Kansas City Royals)
78. Grant Green – SS/OF (Oakland A’s)
79. Jedd Gyorko – 3B (San Diego Padres)
80. Sonny Gray – RHP (Oakland A’s)
81. Derek Norris – C (Washington Nationals)
82. Mason Williams – OF (New York Yankees)
83. Matt Szczur – OF (Chicago Cubs)
84. Zack Cox – 3B (St. Louis Cardinals)
85. Allen Webster – RHP (Los Angeles Dodgers)
86. Nate Eovaldi - RHP (Los Angeles Dodgers)
87. George Springer – OF (Houston Astros)
88. Josh Bell – OF (Pittsburgh Pirates)
89. Josh Vitters – 3B (Chicago Cubs)
90. Robbie Erlin – RHP (San Diego Padres)
91. Addison Reed – RHP (Chicago White Sox)
92. Matt Davidson – 3B (Arizona Diamondbacks)
93. Tyrell Jenkins – RHP (St. Louis Cardinals)
94. Joe Wieland – RHP (San Diego Padres)
95. Alex Meyer – RHP (Washington Nationals)
96. Starling Marte – OF (Pittsburgh Pirates)
97. Justin Nicolino – LHP (Toronto Blue Jays)
98. Chad Bettis – RHP (Colorado Rockies)
99. Jed Bradley – LHP (Milwaukee Brewers)
100. Javier Baez – SS (Chicago Cubs)
101. Luis Heredia – RHP (Pittsburgh Pirates)
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I have a little issue with Moore's scouting report.
His curve is merely a plus pitch, flashing plus-plus. His changeup is a legit weapon though (having developed much over the past year). It is plus-plus. I think you will find many here to echo that opinion.
by mr. maniac on Jan 13, 2026 10:35 AM EST reply actions
I like the commentary (otherwise) though.
by mr. maniac on Jan 13, 2026 10:35 AM EST up reply actions
Moore
His curve is nasty but his change is not yet a true plus consistent pitch. That’s the way I saw it. That said, we are splitting hairs here, he’s really good and only going to get better. I could see him actualize into three plus offerings and plus command, which is an Ace. Hard to say that about many guys.
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by Rich Wilson on Jan 13, 2026 10:43 AM EST up reply actions
Hi Rich, like the writeups
have to agree with mr.maniac though. I have seen all of Moores appearances in AAA and MLB. His changeup is a true plus plus weapon. He doesn’t trust it enough yet and so doesnt feature it.
The curve can come out like a slider. And ever since the game against ARod in AAA Moore has seemed very reluctant to throw it for strikes. He had much better control of it earlier in the season and then lost it.
I see it as a pitch that flashes plus plus but for a good portion of the season was merely above average. I expect it to be better next year though.
FWIW I think he will feature his change a lot more.
by pedrophile on Jan 13, 2026 11:33 AM EST up reply actions
Not to mention
He signed a contract this offseason that bought out his arbitration years plus a year. There is no financial reason to keep him down in AAA like there was with Jennings last year.
by guru4u on Jan 13, 2026 5:48 PM EST up reply actions
Another question: Was Banuelo's fastball legit sitting 93-95?
The would make it among the fastest in all of baseball, something I have a hard time believing.
by mr. maniac on Jan 13, 2026 10:36 AM EST reply actions
Banuelo's
I had a gun on him and had 40% of his four seamers in the 92-93 range, another 20% in the 94-95 range. So, he sat somewhere between 92-95. That said, it was a warm day in Scranton, so that could have been a factor.
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by Rich Wilson on Jan 13, 2026 10:40 AM EST up reply actions
Wait, so were the other 40% all under 92?
If not, what did he top out at?
by nixa37 on Jan 13, 2026 10:53 AM EST up reply actions
Oh, I didn't realize that you saw him live.
by mr. maniac on Jan 13, 2026 11:36 AM EST up reply actions
I have seen him throw that hard
some reports list lower velocities but often they are including his 2-seamers which come in around 90mph
by pedrophile on Jan 13, 2026 11:36 AM EST up reply actions
not a ton from what I have seen, but I only saw him a couple times
so take it with a large grain of salt
by pedrophile on Jan 13, 2026 11:39 AM EST up reply actions
2 seamer
My naked eye is not completely trained to judge whether he was taking a little off the four seamer or truly changing the grip and having sink on the ball. Candidly, I’m not sure some the experienced scouts can really tell either. My take is that there were more 4-seamers than two but he did throw a number of them as I saw true vertical drop when I wasn’t staring at the number on the gun. His GO/AO would support that.
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by Rich Wilson on Jan 13, 2026 11:46 AM EST up reply actions
He doesn’t have the raw power of major league incumbent J.P Arencibia, but his hit tool is superior.
This may surprise some folks - d’Arnaud’s ISO as a 22 year old in AA was actually higher than JPA’s ISO as a 22 year old in AA (.231 in 466 PA vs. .214 in 275 PA). I do agree that JPA has more raw power than d’Arnaud, but I think power is an aspect of d’Arnaud that goes unnoticed.
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by Frag on Jan 13, 2026 10:43 AM EST reply actions
d'Arnaud
JPA has crazy raw power, which doesn’t diminish the power of d’Arnaud. I truly believe that d’Arnaud has a chance to be really special and Toronto will need to figure out what to do with a very good asset in JPA.
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by Rich Wilson on Jan 13, 2026 10:46 AM EST up reply actions
The increased ISO was due to a higher BA
You can’t use ISO in isolation (pun intended) to measure power
JPA had a BA of .282, and a SLG of .496, so he averaged 1.76 bases per hit
D’Arnaud had a BA of .311 and a SLG of .542, so he averaged 1.74 bases per hit.
It’s not a big difference, but even in AA JPA had slightly better raw power
by MjwW on Jan 13, 2026 11:28 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
yeah, ISO should not be slugging minus average
ISO should be slugging divide by average
by pedrophile on Jan 13, 2026 11:38 AM EST up reply actions
You could use either one
The correlation coefficient (for qualified MLB batters between 1990 and 2011) between the two formulas is 0.967.
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by Frag on Jan 13, 2026 12:15 PM EST up reply actions
I stated that JPA had better raw power. Just that d’Arnaud’s ISO was higher than JPA’s at around the same age, and that d’Arnaud has more power than people assume.
The increased ISO was due to a higher BA.
Isn’t that assuming that BA explains ISO? Just out of interest, I ran a linear regression between ISO and BA. For qualified MLB batters between 1990 and 2011, I got an R-squared value of 0.0435.
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by Frag on Jan 13, 2026 11:58 AM EST up reply actions
They will be highly correlated
But the point is, ISO doesn’t totally remove the contact/hit ability from the power tool.
Consider two hypothetical players with a .200 ISO:
Player A: .100 BA and .300 SLG
Player B: .300 BA and .500 SLG
A has awful contact ability, but has excellent raw power (averages 3 bases per hit). B has a very good hit tool, but only had moderate power (1.67 bases per hit). But they have the same ISO.Granted, it’s an extreme example, and at higher levels you’ll never see such a stark difference, but just to illustrate the point.
by MjwW on Jan 13, 2026 1:07 PM EST up reply actions
Right
Though, couldn’t that assumption underestimate power hitters with good contact skills and overestimate power hitters with poor contact skills?
Let’s consider these two hypothetical players with the same average number of bases per hit:
Player A: .100 BA and .200 SLG
Player B: .300 BA and .600 SLG
Since both players average 2 total bases per hit, they have an equal amount of raw power. Though, would you consider Player A to have the same amount of raw power as Player B?
Nonetheless, the two methods of measuring power were highly correlated (R = 0.967), so maybe this whole conversation is pointless. Both measures could be used to measure a player’s raw power, and as your first reply showed, d’Arnaud does show some underrated power.
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by Frag on Jan 13, 2026 1:28 PM EST up reply actions
Plus
If we’re going by total bases per hit, then couldn’t that measure also overestimate the power of speedy players?
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by Frag on Jan 13, 2026 1:31 PM EST up reply actions
Disregard the last post
ISO can be affected too.
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by Frag on Jan 13, 2026 1:32 PM EST up reply actions
Yes
I would consider the first player to have a similar amount of raw power, because the difference is in the number of times that they succeeded in having a base hit. Assuming no funny BABIP stuff (which would also speak to the hit tool if there were…higher BABIP, better contact generally), it meaning the first player swings and misses a ton, which speaks to contact, not power.
Though as you say, in the reality it’s not cut and dry. And I agree, d’Arnaud’s power is underrated.
by MjwW on Jan 13, 2026 1:36 PM EST up reply actions
Jean Segura v. Andrelton Simmons
I don’t care to argue about who is better, because I feel its mostly splitting hairs anyway, but how does Segura make the top 25 and Simmons doesn’t even make the top 100? Yes, Segura has the advantage in speed and power, but Simmons has the advantage in contact and defense. I just don’t see any argument for one being that far ahead of the other.
by nixa37 on Jan 13, 2026 10:55 AM EST reply actions
Simmons
I like Simmons but see him definitely more as a defensive SS with average offensive skills. I’ve seen enough of Segura to believe he has a chance to be a star. Great hit tool with speed and every time I’ve seen him play short, I come away convinced he can play the position.
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by Rich Wilson on Jan 13, 2026 11:48 AM EST up reply actions
I just don't see how that works out to 75+ spots difference in the rankings
Simmons projects to have a pretty sizable defensive advantage to go along with a nice contact advantage. If you think Segura’s power and speed is enough to make up for that and then vault him 75+ spots higher I don’t know what to say. Simmons led the Carolina League in batting average by over 20 points in his first full professional season. He hit for a bunch of extra base hits (basically 4-5 less than Segura per 130 games) and while he only hit 1 HR, he was playing in a home park that seriously depresses them. Based on early reports, scouts seem to really like him. With the bump your giving to guys like Lee and Segura for playing SS, I don’t see how a similar bump leaves Simmons out of the top 100.
Let’s break down the numbers. If you can see Simmons putting up average offensive numbers (100 wRC+) to go along with slightly above average baserunning (2.5 runs) and plus defense (10 runs), you’re already talking about a 4 win player. If he can add that much with baserunning and defense, he could be a .280/.320/.350 hitter and still come as an average to above average player. I just don’t see how a guy like that misses your top 100, when you clearly do place a good bit of value on being able to play SS.
by nixa37 on Jan 13, 2026 12:30 PM EST up reply actions
Simmons
All good comments, but I just don’t believe in the bat…today, I really don’t believe in the bat. Yes, he showed progress in 2011. I like the contact rate but there’s no drive behind the ball. He could grow and expand, but today, I don’t see the projections.
Don’t kill me for this comment, but with that arm and the fact that many saw him long-term on the bump, you wonder what would have happened. Granted the Braves are one of the best organizations at developing pitchers and they should know, but it makes you wonder.
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by Rich Wilson on Jan 13, 2026 1:24 PM EST up reply actions
What reason is there not to believe in the bat?
Again, he just led his league in batting average by over 20 points. No one, even guys with way less PA, hit for average in the league this year. He must have gotten insanely lucky to have ended up hitting so much better than everyone else without any drive behind the ball. And again, if he’s getting no drive, why is he getting extra base hits at such a similar rate to Segura, whose speed should be making it easier for him to get XBHs? Its not like scouts are down on him or anything. He came in 4th on the league list and is going to make the BA top 100. I’m just not seeing this massive difference between him, Lee, and Segura.
There is no team in baseball that would have kept Simmons on the mound if they realized he had any chance to hit like he did in 2011. He was a RP prospect with a good arm, as opposed to the consensus best glove in the draft at SS. Like I said, if he can even post a .280/.320/.350 line (do you honestly doubt that he can do that and if so why?) he’ll be an average starting SS in the big league through his prime with a 10+ year career all told. How is a guy that conservatively projects as an average starter with the completely reasonable upside of 4+ WAR (more upside if he fills out that 6’2" frame at all) not a top 100 prospect?
And how in the world is he behind Grant Green? Green already got moved off of SS and didn’t even post league average numbers in AA as a 23 year old. How does that get him ahead of a SS that projects to be somewhere between plus and elite defensively that hit significantly better this past year (and wasn’t far behind what Green did in high A considering the league and park effects as well as the fact he was 1 year older at the time)? I say this as a guy who owns Grant Green in his fantasy league and would like nothing more than to see him workout. I don’t even think I’d trade Simmons for Green in fantasy baseball, let alone in real-life where his massive defensive advantage makes it a blowout IMO.
by nixa37 on Jan 13, 2026 1:53 PM EST up reply actions
Simmons
I don’t own Simmons or Green in my fantasy league. In fact Simmons is still on the waiver wire. Granted the minor leagues in this league only go down 100 but he’s still there.
Clearly you’re passionate about Simmons and your arguments are interesting and even compelling. Let’s see what he does in Double-A.
I will say I like him more than Pastornicky as the long-term answer in Atlanta but still believe he’s a second division starter and Segura and Lee are both first division starters. Simmons has the better glove and arm tool but when you (in this case me), don’t yet believe that he can handle upper minor league hitting, he drops out off the list. I could be wrong.
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by Rich Wilson on Jan 13, 2026 2:05 PM EST up reply actions
I just don't see a reason to think he can't handle the upper minors
Even if he doesn’t walk and doesn’t hit for much power, unless his K rate spikes or his BABIP falls off a cliff, he should continue to hit for good batting averages.
As for Segura and Lee both being first division starters, I mean they’re in your top 25, so I’d hope you’d see them that way, but again even if they’re ahead of Simmons (which I have absolutely no problem with), I’m still not seeing how they’re that far ahead.
What is the argument for Green over Simmons though? I mean Green didn’t even hit well in AA as a 23 year old and he no longer plays SS. Even if you’re down on Simmons, I just can’t see the reasoning for Green over him.
Its not even that I’m that passionate about Simmons, I just feel like he’s getting overlooked by people outside the industry based on the fact that people didn’t think he could at the time of the draft. Since then he went out and won the batting title in an age appropriate league by 20 points in his first full professional season. Following that, people in the industry generally seem a lot higher on him. I just feel like if he were a guy who were projected to hit better before the season this would be seen as confirmation that he can really hit, but because of the lackluster reports at draft time people are questioning the bat instead of acknowledging how well he hit.
by nixa37 on Jan 13, 2026 2:31 PM EST up reply actions
4 guys had a higher average, again
and 1 was within 5 points. You can’t just take out guys who got promoted. His hitting record isn’;t all that impressive for a player at High A, who was 21 all year.
I like him better than before going over it with you but, he still didn’t hit as well as Alcides Escobar did in the minors (yet) and, you have seen how that has worked out thus far. He is no lock to hit anything like .280 in the major leagues.
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by casejud on Jan 13, 2026 3:01 PM EST up reply actions
I'm going by the guys who qualified...thought that would be obvious
Look at the 4 guys above him too. First of all, one of them wasn’t promoted to AA, he only played in high A, he just didn’t get that many ABs. Two of the others were 25 year old career minor leaguers. Only 1 of the 4 had more than 252 ABs, and it is much easier to post a flukish BABIP over a smaller number of ABs. Oh, and I like how you mention that one guy was within 5 points of him, but don’t mention how none of those guys hit more than 8 points higher than Simmons.
Anyway, you seem to have missed the larger point. Batting averages in the Carolina League seem to have been absurdly low this year. There wasn’t a single player in the league that had at least 120 PA and a batting average above .320. Isn’t it possible that there was something going on here that needs to be taken into account? Perhaps the umpires in the Carolina League this year simply happened to have larger strike zones than other leagues this year, which led to more pitchers counts and hitters hitting more pitcher’s pitches. I don’t know. But I do think its a tad unfair to basically say well he didn’t hit as well as guy X or Y did without considering how good some of his numbers look when compared to the rest of the league.
by nixa37 on Jan 13, 2026 3:19 PM EST up reply actions
I wasn't making ANTY value judgement
.. at all. I was just put off by you mentioning that he hit 20 points better than everybody, when he didn’t. Most of the time in a minor league the best hitter doesn’t get to have afull season in the league, for obvious reasons/
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by casejud on Jan 13, 2026 6:56 PM EST up reply actions
any, not ANTY
sorry
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by casejud on Jan 13, 2026 7:00 PM EST up reply actions
I didn't say he hit 20 points better than anybody
I said he led the league by 20+ points. I didn’t think it was necessary to say “of qualified batters.” I mentioned the batting title part at least once. Either your nitpicking for whatever reason or arguing for the sake of arguing. I know you knew what I meant.
by nixa37 on Jan 13, 2026 7:05 PM EST up reply actions
It just sounds like "spin"
. . to me, that all. I know what you meant but, you repeat it so much that it actually . . . sounds . . . like nobody in the league could hit within 20 points of his .311 average, when that isn’t the case. I wouldn’t have objected if you just said “he won the batting title” and, left it at that.
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by casejud on Jan 13, 2026 11:34 PM EST up reply actions
Apparently I give people more credit than you do
I think people realize when you talk about the league leaders in batting average, you’re talking about guys who qualified for the batting title. I mean, I guess MiLB.com is putting “spin” on their league leaaderboards too, because when you check them they have Simmons 20 points ahead of anyone else in the batting average leaders for the Carolina League.
by nixa37 on Jan 13, 2026 11:39 PM EST up reply actions
Fine, it doesn't matter
. . I look at BBref.com and, it shows guys who played there a couple months. It doesn’t really change your point but, in the minors “qualifying” isn’t always a great indicator because if he hit .345 or so, he wouldn’t have qualified either. He’s be in AA.
All of this says nothing abouit the topic at hand: How good he will be in the big leagues so, my bad.
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by casejud on Jan 14, 2026 12:40 AM EST up reply actions
Im not sure what you want from him
Simmons had a low ISO, just below .100, with a very low walk rate. His BABIP also seemed a little high considering he doesn’t hit the ball that hard. Does he have plus speed to make up for that?
Seems to be a slap hitter. For now.
by pedrophile on Jan 13, 2026 3:52 PM EST up reply actions
He definitely has above average speed
And even if he is only a slap hitter (given the XBH and his height I certainly think he could end up being more than that), he’s an elite glove at SS. I just don’t see how a guy like Grant Green, who was already moved off of SS and couldn’t even manage to be average offensively in AA as a 23 year old, can be ranked higher than him.
Scouts also seem to like him a heck of a lot for a guy who is only a slap hitter. I just don’t see a guy getting described that way getting the love he’s gotten from BA so far this offseason.
by nixa37 on Jan 13, 2026 3:57 PM EST up reply actions
Im not high on Grant Green
I don’t know what to make of Simmons. He does make a lot of contact which is very good, but he doesn’t walk either. My guess is that if his batting average doesn’t plummet in AA then he should be fine.
An elite D shortstop who can hit league average is very valuable. But we have seen many of these types come up only to hit 220 to 260 with an empty average. And very often their D leaves them fairly quickly as well.
I don’t have a take on where he should rank, but I can see people having concerns over his bat.
by pedrophile on Jan 13, 2026 4:04 PM EST up reply actions
All but the elite prospects have some sort of concern
I just think the worries about Simmons bat are being overblown. His bat was supposed to be incredibly raw as a hitter coming out of Western Oklahoma St JC, to the point where just about everyone expected him to be drafted as a pitcher. He went out in the Appy and posted a .276/.340/.356, which amazing enough was considered quite promising considering how raw he was supposed to be with the bat. This year he jumps over low-A and improves his line to the tune of .311/.350/.408 (.319/.363/.436 post all star break).
I just think people putting so much emphasis on questions about the bat are missing the forest for the trees. This is a guy who is supposedly just figuring out how to translate his elite hand eye coordination into offensive production. He’s tall and incredibly skinny right now. If he is able to add just a bit of strength and refine his approach at the plate, I actually think he could be surprisingly good offensively.
by nixa37 on Jan 13, 2026 4:38 PM EST up reply actions
Hey Nixa
4 guys hit for higher average and one was within 5 points iof Simmons in the Carolina League
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by casejud on Jan 13, 2026 2:56 PM EST up reply actions
You know what a batting title is, right?
You kind of have to qualify for it. Yes a few guys hit a couple points higher in way fewer ABs. That doesn’t make my statement any less true. He won the league batting title by 20+ points.
by nixa37 on Jan 13, 2026 3:21 PM EST up reply actions
Honestly
If Jean Segura was a Braves prospect and Simmons was an Angels prospect, you would be arguing for Segura, right? And you’d say it wasn’t close.
Not trying to be antagonistic, but why make it your mission to argue that your team’s prospects are better than other prospects? I just don’t get that, psychologically. I’m a Mets fan, and Ruben Tejada is not better than Starlin Castro. Why would I say he was? Even if I could find a misleading stat like an empty batting average to lean on?
by Brownson on Jan 13, 2026 5:03 PM EST up reply actions
I specifically said I'm not even arguing for him over Segura
And what reason would I have to argue for Segura on this list when he cracked the top 25? And no, I wouldn’t be arguing it wasn’t close because I’m not someone who blindly supports his teams guys. If you think that, you don’t know my posting history.
Yes, I’m very vocal on a few specific Braves prospects I think I have a good feel for. How many times have you seen me argue about guys like Delgado, Vizcaino, Pastornicky, Salcedo, etc.? I don’t argue about those guys because I think they are either perceived correctly, or possibly even overrated. People over at the Braves SBNation site can tell you that I think Delgado got overrated by Braves fans, I’m not high on Pastornicky and think he’s a future utility player, I completely disagree with the idea that Salcedo still has great tools and upside, etc. But sure, I must just be a Braves homer. BTW, check out my history for previous guys I pushed hard as getting underrated by people around here. Up to this point its been Hanson, Heyward (its a long story, he was obviously highly ranked, but people didn’t think he’d hit as a rookie), and Freeman. I don’t think I overrated those guys.
The stat is not at all misleading. He won the batting title by over 20 points. If anything Casejud’s stat is misleading, because it doesn’t make it clear that he’s right with those guys and no one with at least 120 PAs even managed to hit .320 in the league. No one in the Carolina league hit for a high average last year. For that reason, I think Simmons average is getting underrated. And if you really think that’s the only thing I’m leaning on here, then you clearly haven’t read my posts.
by nixa37 on Jan 13, 2026 5:29 PM EST up reply actions
Rich gave you his reasons, but you still persist.
He sees Simmons as a good defender, average bat and sees Segura as a potential star. He also doesn’t believe in Simmons bat. That’s how it worked out to be 75+ spots in the rankings for him.
I’ve never seen someone bemoan so much over other people’s opinions and your persistent need to be right. He gave you his reasons, if you can’t accept it that’s fine. Put out your own list and rank people where you feel they should be and let them nitpick it apart like you’re doing.
BTW, great list Rich. Appreciate the hard work and effort you put into it.
by Looney4baseball on Jan 14, 2026 10:08 AM EST up reply actions
Thanks
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by Rich Wilson on Jan 14, 2026 10:23 AM EST up reply actions
Did I complain I about the list? Did I say he was wrong?
I’m simply trying to better understand his opinion. That’s why I’m asking questions. If someone is comfortable and confident in their opinions, answering questions about the reasoning behind them shouldn’t be an issue. Not to belittle Rich or anything, but his reasoning at this point seems to be, “well I don’t trust the bat.” I’m sorry if I’m trying to get a little more than that.
Look at my post again and you’ll see a bunch of questions that haven’t been answered. I’m trying to understand how if Segura is hitting the ball with significantly more power, he doesn’t get significantly more XBH. I’m probing to see if Rich has really run through the numbers on Simmons and seen how little it take with the bat for him to be average, above average, a 4 win pllayer, etc. I don’t see where he answered those questions, do you? Do you see where he gives reasons for Green over Simmons?
Look, I think Rich, like many people around here, is sleeping on Simmons IMO. He’s gone from a guy people saw as a pitcher because of how raw/weak his bat is to winning a batting title in his first full pro season (why Rich brought this up I have no idea because it is a point in Simmons favor that he’s made such huge strides in a short time, but alas he won’t answer those questions). I’m trying to get Rich to re-evaluate Simmons and perhaps see that he is a deserving top 100 prospect. I’m far from the only person to feel this way. BA has already indicated in chats that Simmons will make their top 100 this offseason.
Let me ask you something L4B. Rich posted his list on a site that obviously has commenting, right? He’s stuck around and answered questions, right? I have in no way personally attacked him or his list, right? So what is the issue with me asking questions about a particular ranking I disagree with?
by nixa37 on Jan 14, 2026 10:54 AM EST up reply actions
Agree
To me, there should not be such a big difference between Green and Simmons. I have Simmons at 81 on my overall list, and Green off my top 100. But, Rich is very informed, and gave us a great list with good reasons, so while I disagree with him on some things (like anyone would do with any list), I still appreciate the work put in to share this list with the community.
by cookiedabookie on Jan 14, 2026 11:21 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I hope this hasn't come across like I don't appreciate the work he's put in
I’m simply trying to understand one particular ranking. And honestly, even if I completely disagree with a list and don’t think its particularly good (obviously not the case here or I wouldn’t have bothered commenting), I still appreciate the work that goes into ranking all the guys and being able to put some sort of writing in to talk about each prospect and ranking. I’m certainly not willing or able to put that sort of time into a ranking list. I’m content closely following a few particular guys and reading lists like Rich’s, and perhaps better trying to understand a ranking or two that sticks out to me.
by nixa37 on Jan 14, 2026 11:25 AM EST up reply actions
That wasn't a jab at you, just trying to agree with you and thank Rich at the same time
But you know I was with you in promoting Simmons in the community list.
by cookiedabookie on Jan 14, 2026 12:18 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah I didn't take it that way
But after reading your comment I realized how one could easily take my posts to be bashing Rich, so I just wanted to put that out there.
by nixa37 on Jan 14, 2026 12:20 PM EST up reply actions
well that's kind of how I took it and
asking him why and then going into it further made it appear like that even more, but if
by Looney4baseball on Jan 14, 2026 4:11 PM EST up reply actions
reply fail....
but if it wasn’t intended that way, then my apologies.
by Looney4baseball on Jan 14, 2026 4:12 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe your jumping to conclusions based on our history?
If I was going to attack his list, I wouldn’t just focus on one ranking and keep asking questions about that one ranking. I’m trying to understand a single ranking. That’s it.
by nixa37 on Jan 14, 2026 4:19 PM EST up reply actions
No, I took it how I took it not based on our history,
but because to me he’s answered why twice already. He doesn’t believe in his bat and that it will be more than average in the majors.
by Looney4baseball on Jan 14, 2026 4:25 PM EST up reply actions
If his bat is average he's a 4 win player
How is that a bad thing?
by nixa37 on Jan 14, 2026 4:30 PM EST up reply actions
I didn't say it was bad, but if that is his ceiling
and Rich doesn’t give Simmons a high percentage chance of reaching that ceiling, then putting him just outside the top 10 would appear reasonable to me.
by Looney4baseball on Jan 14, 2026 4:32 PM EST up reply actions
I guess it depends on what you mean by ceiling
If we’re talking reasonable ceiling, then I would say there are some other guys who made his list with similar ceilings, but who have lower floors. Its not really worth arguing about though. I would have liked to have actually discussed it with Rich, which is mostly what my questions were aimed at. He doesn’t want to discuss it, which I’ve accepted, so I’m moving on.
by nixa37 on Jan 14, 2026 4:36 PM EST up reply actions
Holy cow I just looked at your recent post history
It is both sad and a bit scary. Please stop following me around and trying to start argument with me. I’m done with you as it obviously only leads to threads getting derailed. I hope you can better enjoy your time here now that you can focus on prospects instead of focusing on “getting” me.
by nixa37 on Jan 14, 2026 11:05 AM EST up reply actions
Don't flatter yourself.
You come off as a smug know-it-all who thinks only their opinion is the correct one. Perhaps you’ve got memory loss, but this isn’t our first go around on differences in opinion. How many times does Rich need to give you his opinion as to why he felt that Segura was worth being ranked 75+ spots higher than Simmons? Why don’t you re-read your post above and maybe you’ll realize what I am talking about. Specifically, you say, “I’m probing to see if Rich has really run through the numbers on Simmons and seen how little it take with the bat for him to be average, above average, a 4 win pllayer, etc. I don’t see where he answered those questions, do you? Do you see where he gives reasons for Green over Simmons?” So basically you’re questioning whether he did his homework and due dilligence on prospects. That’s calling him out on his knowledge and effort. As far as Grant Green, does Rich really need to give you justification for every ranking he makes?
Other quotes from your post just proves that you think you know it all. “Look, I think Rich, like many people around here, is sleeping on Simmons IMO.” No kidding you think that.
“(why Rich brought this up I have no idea because it is a point in Simmons favor that he’s made such huge strides in a short time, but alas he [Rich] won’t answer those questions). " Gee, condescending much?
“I’m trying to get Rich to re-evaluate Simmons and perhaps see that he is a deserving top 100 prospect.” Trying to get him to see that he is ‘perhaps’ a deserving top 100 prospect IN YOUR OPINION. In his opinion he isn’t, is that so hard to understand?
“I’m far from the only person to feel this way. BA has already indicated in chats that Simmons will make their top 100 this offseason.” So because you’re far from the only one to feel that way and BA indicated that he will make their top 100 prospects you feel compelled to push your opinion on him?
To answer your question, yes Rich posted his list on a site that has commenting and has stuck around and answered questions. As far as you personally attacking his list, how many times do you need to ask him for more reasoning on why he doesn’t think Simmons is a top 100 prospect? He already gave you 2 reasons., but you didn’t agree with it so you asked more questions. The issue with you asking questions about a particular ranking you disagree with, is that you asked it several times and he’s answered it several times. You continue to disagree and are trying to get him to re-evaluate it and see things your way. If he doesn’t see it your way then he doesn’t, but there’s no reason to try “to get Rich to re-evaluate Simmons” to try to get him see it your way because you disagree. It’s pretty much saying he’s wrong and that he didn’t do his due dilligence.
by Looney4baseball on Jan 14, 2026 4:00 PM EST up reply actions
Only time you've posted recently is to talk to me
Quick responses paragraph by paragraph before I call it quits on you…
1. The only thing he said is he doesn’t trust Simmons bat that much. Those questions I asked was to press the issue and see if he was underrating just how much a very good defensive SS is worth. It has nothing to do with not thinking he did his homework. He has to look at hundreds of guys. Its easy to miss something.
2. Yes, I think that. Why do you have such a problem with me saying it?
3. That’s genuine confusion and lamenting the fact that he apparently doesn’t want to talk about it. I wish he would, but obvious he’s free to do what he wants.
4. People make mistakes all the time. You should always be reevaluating your opinions in case you missed something, especially in a field like this.
5. I’m not trying to push my opinion on him. I’m trying to figure out exactly where our differences of opinion lie. He doesn’t think Simmons will hit that much, but I don’t understand exactly why he feels that way.
6. Obviously I didn’t attack his list. Where are you getting that? Why does asking questions equate to attacking him in your mind? And he gave the briefest answers possible and I’m trying to better understand why he feels the way he does. I have no idea why you have such a problem with that.
by nixa37 on Jan 14, 2026 4:18 PM EST up reply actions
In response.
1. He also said he saw Simmons as an average bat. Maybe he is underestimating the value of a defensive SS, but that’s just his opinion as to where he sees Simmons.
2. I don’t have a problem with you saying it. I have issue that just because some people think that, including you, that everyone needs to think that or that they are wrong for not thinking that.
3. It came off as condescending to me, but that’s just my opinion. As for him not talking about it, I can’t answer that. Maybe he feels he’s already answered it.
4. You’re assuming he missed something though because you disagree.
5. Well, it seems like you are. If it’s JUST his opinion that Simmons won’t hit that much, does it make it any less valid?
6. I’m getting it from your responses. Comments such as, “I don’t care to argue about who is better, because I feel its mostly splitting hairs anyway, but how does Segura make the top 25 and Simmons doesn’t even make the top 100? Yes, Segura has the advantage in speed and power, but Simmons has the advantage in contact and defense. I just don’t see any argument for one being that far ahead of the other.” You questioned his rankings. IMO, that’s questioning his list. It may not be “attacking his list” per se, but it’s certainly questioning it. Why would I have issue with someone answering your questions and you re-asking them? Possibly because you were answered, but since you didnt agree or understand his answers, you want further explanation. Just a pet peeve.
by Looney4baseball on Jan 14, 2026 4:59 PM EST up reply actions
Can you guys chill, please?
John is a media professional who does this for a living, Rich is an amateur fan who does this for laughs.
The difference between their lists?
Nothing.
Because at the end of the day, it’s one man’s opinion.
I don’t agree 100% with John’s list, and I don’t agree 100% with Rich’s list.
I don’t agree 100% with anyone’s list.
Most of the time, I don’t agree 100% with my own.
Montero’s prospect status changed yesterday.
Because he was traded.
He’s the exact same player today that he was yesterday, but his environment changed.
He went from a 90 win team to a 90 loss team, so the expectations on him are greater.
by Kelsdad on Jan 14, 2026 5:44 PM EST up reply actions
COLD SHOWER
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by Markus Potter on Jan 14, 2026 10:00 PM EST up reply actions
What is your view of Hak-Ju Lee as a hitter?
I think it is assumed he will not hit many home runs, but I have read comments that he may hit for an “empty” BA, indicating that he has little extra base power. On the other hand, I have seen others say he has solid line drive power that should lead to a good number of doubles and triples with hits down the lines and up the alleys to the wall.
Have you any thoughts on the subject?
by bobr on Jan 13, 2026 11:11 AM EST reply actions
I liked your comments on him, given that you have seen him play.
by mr. maniac on Jan 13, 2026 11:36 AM EST up reply actions
Lee
I don’t see the power developing. He’s currently not demonstrating any in games or BP. His contact ability and swing mechanics point to a line drive hitter with great bat control.
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by Rich Wilson on Jan 13, 2026 11:53 AM EST up reply actions
Line drive hitters can hit plenty of doubles.
But I do agree that it will be rare to see a double digit homer year from him.
by mr. maniac on Jan 13, 2026 1:35 PM EST up reply actions
He has a decent frame though
I can see him putting on enough muscle to hit double digit HRs. He will never be Tulo or Hanley, but I can see Lee putting up Reyes-like ISO totals if he fills out.
by guru4u on Jan 13, 2026 5:54 PM EST up reply actions
That would be sweet.
I still feel that SS get underratedon prospect lists, particularily ones with good defense.
by mr. maniac on Jan 13, 2026 6:56 PM EST up reply actions
"What I’ve seen and experienced is an intense competitor that has a great relationship with his teammates"
" great make-up "
Um, sure, OK.
Small sample size, I guess.
by Kelsdad on Jan 13, 2026 11:41 AM EST reply actions
Do you see Walker or Bundy reaching the majors first?
It will be interesting to see who ends up making a bigger impact at the major league level. I put my money on Walker, but I also am wary of HS pitchers, even really exciting ones.
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by The Congo Hammer on Jan 13, 2026 12:30 PM EST reply actions
I say Walker first.
Wouldn’t be shocked to see him start the season in AA. If he excels he could get some AAA innings, can’t be sure.
by tarheels24 on Jan 13, 2026 1:11 PM EST up reply actions
Walker vs. Bundy
Great question and while Walker has a head start, Bundy has the ability to catch up and quickly. Clearly I like both a lot. Walker is more athletic and might have more projection, they both have a chance to a #1. You can’t say that about many guys on this list. Plus for Orioles fans, you got to be hoping that maybe, finally, they will find gold on the mound. If only they can keep him healthy!
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by Rich Wilson on Jan 13, 2026 1:30 PM EST up reply actions
Don't like Cole in the top 10
It seems too aggressive even if you’re someone who is high on him (which seems obvious). It looks to me like you’re being a bit too aggressive with a lot of the ’11 draft prospects. Which is another reason putting Springer all the way down at 87 still seems weird to me.
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by OremLK on Jan 13, 2026 12:30 PM EST reply actions
I like the Cole ranking (homer alert?)
because I think his stuff is just that good. A fastball that can hit triple digits regularly, a slider that was compared to Strasburg’s and a change that scouts were calling a plus-plus pitch midway through last season (college, not AFL). The command does need to be corrected but I think it’s hard not to drool over a guy with three pitches that can be that dominant.
I will mention (briefly) that I think Rendon is a little too high. I went back and forth with somebody about this on another thread, but I’m just not convinced he’s totally healthy. He was hurt last year and it (possibly) affected his production which dropped off substantially from two years ago. Five teams passed on him in the draft after seeing his medical records. This was a hotly contested point but IMHO, that suggests that these teams might not have been convinced he was totally healthy either. For a guy that is as talented as Rendon, I think he doesn’t last until 6 with a clean bill of health. Since he hasn’t played a pro-game since then to alleviate some of my injury concerns, I would ding him a bit and rank him lower. Personally I’d have him somewhere in the 40-60 range with the caveat that if he comes out and is healthy and productive in 2012, he becomes a top-10 and possibly top-5 prospect next year because a healthy Rendon really is that good.
by KentuckyPirate on Jan 13, 2026 1:29 PM EST up reply actions
Rendon
I will admit, not seeing Rendon play in the AFL is a red flag. In fact, there was just radio silence. He was spotted in Arizona and then he wasn’t. In the end, I stuffed him as I believe his heath is transient. The ankle problem may retard his speed slightly in the long run but I believe his shoulder will recover. Should he have been discounted because of the injuries? Maybe, but talent wise…he’s an elite prospect.
@RichWilsonFSG
by Rich Wilson on Jan 13, 2026 1:39 PM EST up reply actions
The Nats
spent most of instructs working on Rendon’s throwing, and their primary goal was to get him ready to field next year after not doing so most of his junior year. I think too much is being made of the AFL cancellation. We’ll see.
by charles wallace on Jan 15, 2026 1:25 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I think you will be surprised
My gut tells me at least two of BA, KG and KL will have Cole as a single digit rank as well. Rich will hardly be alone.
I would not call it overrating 2011 draftees.
by guru4u on Jan 13, 2026 5:56 PM EST up reply actions
Cole
He stuff is elite. His command is not. Can the command improve? Surely, and that’s what player development is all about. During the AFL, there was a lot of talk about some of the adolescent behavior demonstrated by Cole in college and while it didn’t concern people too much, if you heard the stories, he clearly has a long way to go from demonstrating “the alpha pitcher” you want. All that said, I really believe in the stuff and think he’s #1 draft status will be validated!
@RichWilsonFSG
by Rich Wilson on Jan 13, 2026 1:36 PM EST reply actions
First, nice job on your top 101
Good to see some thinking outside the “box”. Love the Segura ranking.
On Cole, not agreeing or disagreeing on the ranking, but there’s something about him that screams Andy Benes to me.
by 96mnc on Jan 16, 2026 4:37 PM EST up reply actions
andy benes would be a very good outcome for any prospect
Fire Everyone
by billybeingbilly on Jan 16, 2026 7:06 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed.
Benes had a really good career. I think Pirates fans would be disappointed if that’s all Cole ended but being but that’s a really solid MLBer.
by 96mnc on Jan 17, 2026 3:42 PM EST up reply actions
Tyler Skaggs
I’m curious where you got the report, or if you saw him personally, at 92-94 mph? That would be incredibly elite velocity for a 20 year old left-hander. Most of what I read seems to indicate he sits more in the 90-92 mph range.
by blue bulldog on Jan 13, 2026 3:35 PM EST reply actions
Skaggs
Haven’t seen him personally. Got multiple reports from 89-95. Big range. In retrospect, was probably over aggressive with the 92-94, should have clocked back to 91-94 or 90-93. Not to side-step the FB velo, but what makes Skaggs such an elite prospect is great stuff combined with great command, not just control, but he throws quality strike. That was the thing that resonated the most with people I spoke to about Skaggs. He can throw the ball where he wants and has the stuff to miss bats.
@RichWilsonFSG
by Rich Wilson on Jan 13, 2026 5:14 PM EST up reply actions
thanks
hope i didn’t come off as nitpicking either
i love Skaggs as a prospect, just wanted to get some more perspective on him
by blue bulldog on Jan 13, 2026 11:03 PM EST up reply actions
great ranks/write ups rich
Love the aggressive ranks of montero, Cole, walker…couldn’t agree more.
by St.Steve on Jan 13, 2026 5:05 PM EST reply actions
have the training wheels lowered a bit to start working on his change-up, a pitch that Pittsburgh rarely let him throw in 2011.
Why?
by Braves24 on Jan 13, 2026 5:53 PM EST reply actions
SOP
The Pirates generally have their pitchers concentrate on fastball command in the low minors. There’s been some debate on this board about how unusual that is, or how much of an excuse it is for some of their prospects’ less than amazing performances, but if they didn’t let him throw the change it’s not a judgment on the change.
Not actually affiliated with whygavs.
by WHYG Zane Smith on Jan 13, 2026 8:56 PM EST up reply actions
This sounds like a terrible philosophy
Why in the world would you limit the number of change ups a guy throws in the low minors? I mean I have no problem limiting the number of breaking balls, but unless the change is already the guy’s best pitch, that’s one thing he needs to be working on.
by nixa37 on Jan 13, 2026 9:09 PM EST up reply actions
Why doesn't it?
Having a change up is incredibly important. I don’t get why any team would try and limit a guy throwing his change unless its already better than his breaking ball.
by nixa37 on Jan 14, 2026 4:23 PM EST up reply actions
The Pirates limited Taillon's changeup
because they wanted him to focus on fastball command and control.
Taillon’s got plus stuff and dominated his high school competition just by throwing the ball, his gross and net strike percentages didn’t matter.
Now, as a pro, he’s a 19 year old facing experienced competition who by and large are older than he is, he can’t get away with throwing 98 cheese to batters who can’t even see it, much less hit it.
I’ll share a story.
I was in the press box for Strasburg’s AFL debut two years ago.
I had seen him pitch in college, so I had an expectation of what to expect when he threw.
There was maybe 25 guys in the press box (normally less than ten) and he came out first inning and threw nothing but fastballs, hitting 100 on a third of them.
Second inning he started mixing in breaking balls. Again, I had seen him before and knew his curve was a plus pitch, so I wasn’t as surprised as some of the other guys in the booth.
Third inning, he goes through the first hitter with normal stuff, then starts the second hitter off with a 90 mph changeup.
You should have been in the booth, it was like we all collectively won the lottery.
We couldn’t wait til the game was over so we could run down to the post game presser and ask him about it.
First question was why he never threw it before.
Strasburg looked the guy in the eye and deadpanned, “Because I never needed it”
The same thing applies to Taillon.
Against his competition, he’s just playing catch with his catcher.
In the pros, however, he has to learn how to command his stuff, up, down, inside and out.
No sense wasting time and effort throwing changeups to a collective group of players who not only won’t make the major leagues, they won’t make AAA.
by Kelsdad on Jan 14, 2026 6:07 PM EST up reply actions
Then why does it make sense to waste time and effort throwing the curve?
That’s what I don’t get. I have no problem with working on fastball command in the low minors. I think its something most teams work on. What I don’t get is not having Taillon work on the pitch that may be most important to his development. He already has a plus-plus curve. Guys in low A shouldn’t have a chance against it. So why are you having him throw that exclusively as a secondary instead of having him work on his change? That’s the part I don’t get.
by nixa37 on Jan 15, 2026 10:27 AM EST up reply actions
Awesome story on Stras, thanks!
@MarkusPotter
by Markus Potter on Jan 16, 2026 12:00 PM EST up reply actions
sorry
Why in the world would you limit the number of change ups a guy throws in the low minors?
this is what I was referring to
by Braves24 on Jan 14, 2026 6:10 PM EST up reply actions
Because...
You need to work on fastball command first and Taillon is really young and the Pirates were treating him with kid gloves. My guess is the gloves will be off next year and the change-up that he worked on in bullpen sessions will be on display.
@RichWilsonFSG
by Rich Wilson on Jan 14, 2026 8:30 PM EST up reply actions
I don't get it though
Why would throwing change ups plus fastball be any worse. The change up should be an identical motion and shouldn’t impact control.
I can see the curve as it’s a two motion pitch. And even the slider for some.
by pedrophile on Jan 14, 2026 8:55 PM EST up reply actions
Taillon
I heard an interview late last summer on BA’s SirusXM show with Jameson Taillon that he was on a strict pitch count of 75 pitches or 5.0 IP. He was also instructed to throw two pitches - fastballs and curves. He said that the coaches wanted him to learn to throw strike one and learn to pitch off his fastball.
I then followed up a few weeks later with an area scout that has the Virgina’s as his territory and had seen several of Taillon’s outings. He confirmed that he didn’t throw a lot of change-ups. I asked why? His response was "that it was not unusual for young pitchers to be limited to throwing fastball, nearly exclusively, particularly high-scholers. He also said that Tailon had made great strides with his mechanics and that the repetition he had been force to go through probably helped. Wasn’t sure though. He rates the few change-ups that he had seen as average but didn’t worry about it.
That’s what I have.
@RichWilsonFSG
by Rich Wilson on Jan 14, 2026 9:58 PM EST up reply actions
And that's why I don't understand it
Thanks for the reply and its what I was expecting.
But if they really want him to work on his fastball command why have him mix the fastball with the one pitch that has a totally different movement at the end? Fastball and change ups are the closest two pitches in terms of mechanics. And Sliders, cutters, etc. Are supposed to be identical except for the grip. In reality though they tend to have slightly different arm angles and a few other differences.
If you really want to work on fastball command you go FB plus change or slider or split etc. Many teams put a pitcher in the pen for this reason. They pitch every couple of days and focus on one or two pitches. But it’s almost never done with a curve. Hey, the curve is the hardest to locate for a reason. It’s a different motion, the hook at the end.
Anyways my rant isn’t about you, it just sounds like a bad method of working on FB command and it seems like most teams purposely avoid doing it that way.
by pedrophile on Jan 15, 2026 1:22 AM EST up reply actions
You pretty much covered my thinking
No one is questioning the part about working on fastball command. That’s something most young pitchers are working on at low levels. The question is why you’re having him focus on the curve at the expense of the change. The part about focusing on fastball command isn’t really relevant beyond what you’re saying about the different motions.
by nixa37 on Jan 15, 2026 10:32 AM EST up reply actions
Pirates
You guys are disputing the pitching methods of the great Pittsburgh Pirates, who year after year put out Cy-Young level pitchers. Come on…
I think the change-up comes next year.
@RichWilsonFSG
by Rich Wilson on Jan 15, 2026 11:44 AM EST up reply actions
My guess
And it is ONLY a guess….
If a pitcher does not spin a curve in a game situation for a full year, he can easily lose the feel for the curve - which could take YEARS to get back.
If a pitcher does not throw a change in a game situation for a full year, he can regain the change fairly easily - or at least more easily than a curve.
It’s just a theory, but that is my best guess.
by guru4u on Jan 15, 2026 11:44 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah I mean I wouldn't completely cut out the curve
But I would certainly cut down on its usage in the low minors before I cut down on the usage of the change
by nixa37 on Jan 15, 2026 11:53 AM EST up reply actions
It's a solid guess
But if their intent is fastball command then it seems they are going about it the wrong way. The curve is the worst pitch to mix with the FB. The change is the best pitch. And it’s the pitch he needs the most work on.
I’m with Nixa on this one, why can’t he throw it occasionally. Or just throw it in side sessions.
by pedrophile on Jan 15, 2026 12:46 PM EST up reply actions
I was told...
…he did throw the full arsenal on his throw days, but was very limited in games to primarily fastball and a curve to simply offset the fb.
@RichWilsonFSG
by Rich Wilson on Jan 15, 2026 2:22 PM EST up reply actions
Why can't you work on fastball command and the change?
Why are you letting him throw his dominant curve, that doesn’t really need any work, exclusively at the expense of the secondary he really needs to work on?
by nixa37 on Jan 15, 2026 10:29 AM EST up reply actions
I like Matt Moore #1 then Harper and Trout or Trout and Harper
Yoenis Cespedes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aW9ge8l3jY8
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Jan 13, 2026 5:55 PM EST reply actions
Yankees just traded Jesus Montero for Michael Pineda
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
by Kelsdad on Jan 13, 2026 7:46 PM EST reply actions
Montero for Pineda
This is a great trade for Mariners. They get an impact bat and had pitching to give. Pineda is clearly an elite talent as well, but at a 45% fly ball rate going to Yankees Stadium, this might end poorly for Pineda. I actually think Campos included makes the deal feel better as he has a lot of upside. That said, I doubt he sees Yankees Stadium and will be traded at some point down the road.
Montero will get consistent playing time and while he goes to a bad hitters park, I think he’ll adjust to the park factors better than Pineda.
Does this mean that the Yankees will now be in on Fielder? They claim to not want to increase payroll by leaps and bounds. This will clearly be the test.
@RichWilsonFSG
by Rich Wilson on Jan 13, 2026 8:56 PM EST up reply actions
I could see them offering a short, high dollar contract
If he’s not getting the long-term offers he wants, I could possibly see him accepting 2-3 years at 30 MM per year
by nixa37 on Jan 13, 2026 9:11 PM EST up reply actions
Yankees won this deal hands down..someone call the cops because Jack Z just got robbed.
by Kelsdad on Jan 13, 2026 10:11 PM EST reply actions
Not so fast
Montero is going to be REALLY good. 70 bat and 60/70 power.
@RichWilsonFSG
by Rich Wilson on Jan 13, 2026 10:30 PM EST up reply actions
No, he's not.
Montero’s bat is overrated, and it will be on display for everyone to see in Seattle.
by Kelsdad on Jan 13, 2026 10:45 PM EST up reply actions
Don't agree
Montero is going to hit just like he has since entering professional ball. Great 80%+ contact rate, great approach, tons of power projection. Yes the Yankees got a lot…but look at it the other way…look at the package it took to get Montero.
@RichWilsonFSG
by Rich Wilson on Jan 13, 2026 10:57 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Since when is an ~20% K rate considered great?
I mean its acceptable for a power hitter (though that includes a lot of AAA time), but its far from what I would term great.
by nixa37 on Jan 13, 2026 11:10 PM EST up reply actions
80% for a power hitter...
…is more than acceptable. Fielder was at 81% last year. Granted it’s not Albert Pujols crazy contact rate, but 80+% with a great approach and power. He’s going to be really good!
@RichWilsonFSG
by Rich Wilson on Jan 13, 2026 11:25 PM EST up reply actions
Clearly we just see things differently
I mean Montero was over 20% in AAA this season and in terms of approach walked at a below league average (at least if it is at all close to what it was last year in the IL) 7.8% clip.
And Prince Fielder improved big time on his strikeout rate this season, lowering it to 15.3%. That is more along the lines of what I think of when I think of great. There were a whole bunch of high ISO guys last season who struck out less than 20% of the time. Bautista, Fielder, Beltre, Braun, Longoria, Teixeira, Berkman, Ortiz, etc. In fact, of the guys with .240+ ISO last year, 2/3 of them struck out less than 20% of the time. Apparently there aren’t many power hitters who aren’t great contact hitters…
by nixa37 on Jan 13, 2026 11:35 PM EST up reply actions
i don't know if you realize this
but you guys are talking about two different things
Rich is talking about contact percentage, you’re talking about strikeout percentage. Rich is saying that he thinks Montero will have an 80% ish contact percentage going forward (in a small sample, he sat at 73.5% this past year in the majors).
If you have an 80% contact percentage then you’re not going to have a 20% strikeout rate. Fielder had an 80% contact percentage, and it translated to a 15% strikeout rate.
by blue bulldog on Jan 14, 2026 12:46 AM EST up reply actions
Fair enough
The numbers he’s posted matched up incredibly well with 1-K%, which I guess is what got me confused. Seems like a small sample size to work from with Montero though, and based on his AAA K rate and what you said I would think his contact rate there was well below 80% there as well.
by nixa37 on Jan 14, 2026 1:10 AM EST up reply actions
Montero's not a power hitter.
39 homers in two full IL seasons isn’t anything to get happy about.
Neither’s .289, for a guy with Montero’s rep.
You’d be expecting .320.
Montero will end up in Tacoma before the year’s up.
Great approach?
No.
by Kelsdad on Jan 13, 2026 11:42 PM EST up reply actions
nixa
the kid just turned 22. his bat is special.
by JoelGuzman'sScout on Jan 14, 2026 7:44 AM EST up reply actions
I'm not even questioning the bat
I was initially questioning if that contact rate was special, because I didn’t understand what he was saying. Now I’m questioning why he thinks Montero will post that contact rate based on what we’ve seen from him so far.
by nixa37 on Jan 14, 2026 10:56 AM EST up reply actions
all 61 at bats of it?
That seems to be a fair amount of at bats to accurately question things.
by Looney4baseball on Jan 14, 2026 4:19 PM EST up reply actions
No, based off the minor league K rate as well
According to what was said about, a contact rate of 80% can lead to a K rate of 15%. That would lead me to believe someone striking out over 20% probably has a contact rate of under 80%. Make sense?
by nixa37 on Jan 14, 2026 4:22 PM EST up reply actions
his minor league K rate was 18.2%
which is pretty good for a power hitter.
by Looney4baseball on Jan 14, 2026 4:27 PM EST up reply actions
That would still seemingly imply a contact rate under 80%
At least based on what was said above.
He said it was great, not merely pretty good. I agree an 18.2% K rate is pretty good for a power hitter. I said a 20% K rate was acceptable.
If a 80% contact rate does indeed equate to a 15% K rate like it did with Fielder, than yes, I would find that great. I’m just not exactly sure why Rich is assuming he can get his contact rate that high.
by nixa37 on Jan 14, 2026 4:33 PM EST up reply actions
Contact rate
I just went to Baseball-Reference and did the math - got 81.8% which is very good for a guy that’s got significant power potential.
If you combine this with his hitting mechanics, the speed to the zone and the length in the zone, the hit tool looks pretty real. The power will come. This year? Next year? Dunno…but he’s big, has has great hands and puts on a show in BP.
@RichWilsonFSG
by Rich Wilson on Jan 14, 2026 4:45 PM EST up reply actions
Huh?
Fangraphs has him at a 73.5% contact percentage. How are you calculating it from B-R?
by nixa37 on Jan 14, 2026 4:52 PM EST up reply actions
contact rate is defined as
(ab-K)/ab. I just did the math. (1852-337)/1852 = 81.8%
@RichWilsonFSG
by Rich Wilson on Jan 14, 2026 8:36 PM EST up reply actions
my two cents
1) people don’t usually use contact rates like that. after all, your equation is essentially “one minus strikeout rate” which doesn’t really tell you all that much additional information than what strikeout rate tells you anyway
2) you are using AB’s as the baseline for strikeout/contact, instead of PA’s. i personally think PA’s are much more useful, because AB’s don’t reflect the number of plate appearances that end in a BB, which is useful information when looking at a player’s overall strikeout/contact ability
3) guys who strikeout in 19.2% of their AB’s are rarely superstars. even if they are a power hitter. basically, you’re projecting him to be like Jay Bruce with maybe a tad more power, hitting from the DH. Jay Bruce in the outfield with plus defense is star level. Jay Bruce in the DH with no defense is…..not so much.
by blue bulldog on Jan 14, 2026 10:22 PM EST up reply actions
Contact Rate
Being doing it that way for years. There’s entire SABR sites that have that as the basis, BaseballHQ for one.
Secondly, you can’t bank on stats in the minors anyway, just the scouting report is backed by nice contactabiity. I’ve seen him play countless times in the minors and have talked to numerous scouts at the game that project his hit tool at a 70 and his power at a 60/70. I’m not making this stuff up…just telling you what I saw and what I heard.
He’s a bat and very good one.
@RichWilsonFSG
by Rich Wilson on Jan 14, 2026 10:27 PM EST up reply actions
let me try again
i have no problem with calculating “contact rate” the way you just did. all i’m saying is it doesn’t give you any additional information than what his strikeout rate would tell you. the other type of “contact rate” that i’m talking about, is what Fangraphs uses, which measures amount of contact a player makes only when he chooses to swing.
as for your second point, i’m not banking on stats in the minors. i’m just using the numbers you provided, and explaining that those numbers aren’t good.
i’m okay with believing that Montero is a good bat. i believe that because he posted good offensive numbers with very good ARL’s. and of course there are the scouting reports. i’m just trying to point out something that nixa was trying to point out as well.
which is basically that the statement “80% for a power hitter…is more than acceptable” is misleading. sure it might be “acceptable” in the strictest sense. but it also means you are not an elite bat at DH.
by blue bulldog on Jan 15, 2026 1:27 AM EST up reply actions
contact rate
81.8% contact rate will translate very well in the majors. Scouts put a 70 on the hit tool and that’s supported by an 81.8% contact rate when Montero was learning to hit.
@RichWilsonFSG
by Rich Wilson on Jan 15, 2026 11:47 AM EST up reply actions
those are two different things imo
70 hit tool by scouts is very good
81.8% contact rate is not good (if you are measuring, as you seem to be, by using at-bats instead of plate appearances)
most people with a lot of power with that high of a strikeout rate still end up being not that great
by blue bulldog on Jan 15, 2026 3:31 PM EST up reply actions
If you average the top 10 OPS in 2011
The K rate is 18.46 percent so I don’t see how they are rarely superstars. 19.2 percent is around 3 strikeouts more than average for the best hitters in baseball last year.
by pedrophile on Jan 15, 2026 12:42 PM EST up reply actions
are you using AB to calculate?
or looking at Fangraphs which uses PA?
by blue bulldog on Jan 15, 2026 3:32 PM EST up reply actions
wow
my bad. that was terrible.
i was doing a wrong mental conversion when thinking about PA and AB
you are correct, 19%-ish strikeout rate based off of AB for a power hitter would be elite. 19%-ish strikeout rate based off of PA would not be elite.
by blue bulldog on Jan 15, 2026 10:36 PM EST up reply actions
who knows what Montero will do
but I think the biggest thing missed is Montero really really struggled carrying his D woes to his hitting. If he is a 1B or DH I think he will be a beast.
At least the learning curve for a 1B doesnt take precedence over all else. People underestimate what catching entails, working between innings, before games, after games, etc. I remember a quote and I think it was Millwood calling out Weiters asking him if he was going to the batting cage to work on his hitting or instead working with Millwood to plan their pitching approach to the opposition. Of course pitching won.
by pedrophile on Jan 15, 2026 11:09 PM EST up reply actions
I agree...but
…this is why Montero will not be a catcher. While he’s got a good arm, he’s 6-4 and at least 240. It take him a long time to get out of the crouch and release. Plus, nobody has been enamored with his receiving ability.
He’ll be a beast as a hitter though. I also think Smoak will be better in 2012, so don’t think Montero will just play first. Seattle will need both of their bats.
@RichWilsonFSG
by Rich Wilson on Jan 16, 2026 3:30 PM EST up reply actions
I agree he shouldnt be a catcher
but I’m not sure what they will do. Maybe I’m just bitter after watching them try and make Jose Lopez a slap hitter, try and make Figgins be an agressive hitter, etc.
In the long run I think Montero will be a beast with the bat and could play a solid 1B if there is an opening at the position.
by pedrophile on Jan 16, 2026 6:29 PM EST up reply actions
If that's the case
Then I’ll point back the numbers above. 2/3 of MLB hitters with a .240+ ISO last season posted what you consider a great contact rate. I think your definition of great is way too inclusive.
by nixa37 on Jan 15, 2026 10:37 AM EST up reply actions
lol
my bad
Rich was talking about basically what you thought he was talking about, only using AB’s to calculate instead of PA’s
i jumped to the conclusion and thought he was referring to actual contact rates, as opposed to “one minus strikeout rate”
by blue bulldog on Jan 14, 2026 10:14 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah you had me convinced
What are the chances they would end up lining up like that though? It would have been obvious which way he was going except for the fact that Fielder went from an ~20% K rate last year to a ~15% K rate this year with an ~80% contact rate. And the new year just happened so it wasn’t clear if last year meant 2011 since its now 2012, or if it meant the last season before the most recent one.
by nixa37 on Jan 15, 2026 10:35 AM EST up reply actions
that was the thing
i thought he was referring to Fielder’s past season, where he had an 80% contact rate (an improvement from 2010) which helped drop his overall strikeout rate from 20% to 15%
by blue bulldog on Jan 15, 2026 3:34 PM EST up reply actions
"look at the package it took to get Montero"
Two years ago Montero was the centerpiece of a deal that would have returned a former Cy Young winner.
Today, they traded for an 18 year old reliever and a guy who likely will start opening day…in Triple A, AND had to toss in another decent arm on top of it just to make it happen.
Some package.
by Kelsdad on Jan 13, 2026 11:47 PM EST up reply actions
Pineda in AAA?
Not sure what you’re talking about. How is Pineda likely to start the season in AAA?
by Woo! on Jan 14, 2026 12:19 AM EST up reply actions
lol
he probably thinks Noesi went from the Mariners to the Yankees
by blue bulldog on Jan 14, 2026 12:47 AM EST up reply actions
Package
Disagree that it’s the same package. From a baseball financial standpoint, Pineda is far more valuable. An excellent arm with can sit mid 90’s and has already shown promise in his first year in the majors and is under team control for five more years. That’s one of the more valuable properties in all of baseball.
Lee would have been a three month rental and GM’s are always reminded that a deadline trade can be dangerous and costly. There was no guarantee of a World Championship as Texas didn’t win with him and in the end, they got a sandwich pick because Seattle’s pick was protected. That’s what the Yankees would have gotten as well. Now, they get a promising young player for five years of control. Seattle gets a player who has six years of control.
You actually don’t see trades like this that often. Two top prospects/freshmen players traded. The reason: neither GM wants to hear his former player introduced every year and the all-star game. In my humble opinion, that will be Montero.
@RichWilsonFSG
by Rich Wilson on Jan 14, 2026 8:56 AM EST up reply actions
MOntero could be the next Edgar Martinez for that club, he's better than Jeff Clement
I just don’t know if he can catch 100+ games a yr.
Yoenis Cespedes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aW9ge8l3jY8
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Jan 14, 2026 6:33 AM EST up reply actions
'(Jesus Montero is) better than Jeff Clement'
Boy, I hope so.
by Matt0330 on Jan 16, 2026 12:29 PM EST up reply actions
Montero’s bat is overrated
prove it. otherwise, 
by JoelGuzman'sScout on Jan 14, 2026 7:45 AM EST up reply actions
Montero
Love the picture. I REALLY believe in the bat…and clearly, so do the Mariners.
@RichWilsonFSG
by Rich Wilson on Jan 14, 2026 8:58 AM EST up reply actions
Montero himself is the only one who can prove that..just make sure you don't disappear in October after he does.
by Kelsdad on Jan 14, 2026 12:28 PM EST up reply actions
I'll be here
…plus I have multiple forums where people can tell me how wrong I am. But when Montero hits…
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by Rich Wilson on Jan 14, 2026 3:49 PM EST up reply actions
don't worry
i’ll be here with an even larger pitcher. you obviously hate Montero and it’s clouding your logic.
by JoelGuzman'sScout on Jan 15, 2026 3:03 AM EST up reply actions
Profar
am I only one confused why he isnt top-5?
by Noah McKinnie Braun on Jan 13, 2026 11:17 PM EST reply actions
I can see an argument for him outside the top 5
The argument for him behind Montero and Rendon, not so much
by nixa37 on Jan 13, 2026 11:21 PM EST up reply actions
yeah i guess #6
if you take Teheran over him as well, I have him at #5 ahead of Teheran. I just dont see why he’s behind montero and rendon, when he plays a harder position (assuming montero DHs), has a very high floor, and could b a 25/25 guy in his prime. Sounds pretty darn good to me
by Noah McKinnie Braun on Jan 14, 2026 2:54 PM EST up reply actions
and by teheran
i meant shelby miller haha my bad
1. Harper
2. Trout
3. Moore
4. Teheran
5. Profar
6. Miller
7. Montero
8. Rendon
9. Mesoraco
10. Turner
by Noah McKinnie Braun on Jan 14, 2026 2:57 PM EST up reply actions
My Rationale
I thought 8 was really high!
My further commentary on Profar is while he’s really good…what is his elite tool? I contend he doesn’t have one. Granted, he doesn’t really have a weakness, so I’m looking at a player with a very high floor and a slightly lower projection ceiling.
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by Rich Wilson on Jan 13, 2026 11:29 PM EST up reply actions
Well he plays SS
If his tools are close to the guys ahead of him, then he should rank higher due to position. I also don’t understand ranking Rendon that high when 5 teams passed on him and he still hasn’t played a professional game. You must think the Royals are pretty dumb.
by nixa37 on Jan 13, 2026 11:37 PM EST up reply actions
or
different teams/different draft coordinators have different risk profiles?
by blue bulldog on Jan 14, 2026 12:48 AM EST up reply actions
Tools are listed independent of position
http://www.crawfishboxes.com
by OremLK on Jan 14, 2026 12:57 AM EST up reply actions
Obviously that's the case for hit, power, and run, but defensively too?
So when people through out plus-plus grades on Freeman’s defense they were saying he was as good defensively as a plus-plus SS?
If we’re doing defense independent of position, doesn’t a guy who can play SS well automatically have elite defensive tools?
by nixa37 on Jan 14, 2026 1:17 AM EST up reply actions
I believe it's true for every tool
http://www.crawfishboxes.com
by OremLK on Jan 14, 2026 1:24 AM EST up reply actions
That doesn't make sense to me
If that were true then no 1B should ever have their defense described as plus and no SS should ever have their defense described as below average
by nixa37 on Jan 14, 2026 1:34 AM EST up reply actions
Well you do have to make a distinction
A lot of times people imply or straight-out say “his defense plays as a plus for his position”. And that’s fine… a guy with a raw fielding tool of 50 might play as a plus at first base.
But what I was taught was that when you do an actual scouting report, like this:
55/60 Hit
50/55 Power
60/60 Run
60/60 Arm
55/60 Field
What you’re doing is just looking at the raw tools independent of what position the prospect plays. Granted, I don’t think it can be 100% independent on the last one as some position-specific skills come into play, but I think scouts tend to at least lump infielders into one group (e.g. “he has 60 fielding for an infielder”) and outfielders into another and catchers into the last.
http://www.crawfishboxes.com
by OremLK on Jan 14, 2026 3:54 AM EST up reply actions
"What you’re doing is just looking at the raw tools independent of what position the prospect plays"
You are correct.
by Kelsdad on Jan 14, 2026 12:30 PM EST up reply actions
So this is true for defense too?
It just seems weird then that any 1B could get a 65 or 70 grade for defense, yet that was supposedly the grade Freeman was getting from quite a few scouts.
And wouldn’t Profar’s defensive tool be pretty elite then considering he’s considered a sure thing to stick at the toughest position (outside of C) in baseball?
by nixa37 on Jan 14, 2026 12:43 PM EST up reply actions
Because tools aren't independent, Nixa.
It’s true tools are interchangeable based on position, arm is more important for a shortstop for a first baseman for example, but the current/future ratings are based on what that player possesses as an individual.
Dustin Ackley has plus speed but plays second base, a position where speed doesn’t matter as much as it does for a centerfielder.
But his arm plays better at second than it does in center, so that’s why he’s a second baseman. That’s not the only reason, of course, but the primary one.
In the same vein, his offensive tools don’t change relevant to his position.
Power means more from a corner infielder than a middle infielder, but power is Ackley’s worst tool, so it’s not a factor at all in determining his position.
by Kelsdad on Jan 14, 2026 1:13 PM EST up reply actions
I already said I agree with tools being independent outside of fielding
I simply don’t understand how fielding isn’t within the context of the position played. Like I said with Freeman, people have talked about grading Freeman’s defense as plus to plus-plus, but that doesn’t mean he could have handled SS better than a guy like Profar who projects as plus defender on the high end.
Maybe I’m just misunderstanding. Do you not factor in range when grading a player’s fielding ability? If not, are you factoring range into speed? Maybe I’ve just gotten so used to hearing how someone projects at a position, that I’m mistaking that “grade” for a fielding grade when it is simply a look at how their combined defensive tools make them profile there.
by nixa37 on Jan 14, 2026 1:22 PM EST up reply actions
"I simply don’t understand how fielding isn’t within the context of the position played"
Fair enough, but before I can answer, it would help if I knew how you define “fielding”.
by Kelsdad on Jan 14, 2026 1:44 PM EST up reply actions
I guess what scouts were grading with a guy like Freeman
Are scouts including range when they grade a fielding tool, or is that implied in the run grade?
by nixa37 on Jan 14, 2026 1:47 PM EST up reply actions
“Are scouts including range when they grade a fielding tool”
Of course.
“or is that implied in the run grade?”
Run grade is it’s own separate tool.
“Footwork” is the most important aspect of fielding, but has nothing to do with speed.
It is also graded separately from “range”.
Which is why the Billy Hamilton debate about his range being “elite” because of his speed is so silly.
by Kelsdad on Jan 14, 2026 2:28 PM EST up reply actions
Fair enough
I guess I’ve either misunderstood previous scouting reports I’ve seen or those people were choosing to do it differently or something like that.
by nixa37 on Jan 14, 2026 2:34 PM EST up reply actions
"I guess I’ve either misunderstood previous scouting reports "
Anything specific?
I want to help you out with this, but you’re not giving me much to go on.
“people were choosing to do it differently”
Well, of course.
Each team does things differently.
Scouting reports for amateur players are much longer than for professional players.
Each team focuses on attributes differently, puts them in a different hierarchy of importance.
Kansas City’s scouting reports are simple and concise, Houston’s is like reading a French menu.
It’s all about adaptability, a scout for the Cubs will have to learn a new system now that they have a new scouting director, the same rule applies for a scout who changes teams.
But that doesn’t mean they can’t use their own experiences when putting the reports together, on the contrary, experience for a scout means everything.
by Kelsdad on Jan 14, 2026 2:48 PM EST up reply actions
I mentioned it below
Comment on throwing a 70 grade on Freema’s fielding is the main thing I’ve been thinking about. It could simply be that the teams those scouts work for ask them to throw out a grade based on current position, expected position, and/or a position the team has in mind.
I just found the thinking behind it confusing at first, but I can at least understand the reasoning behind it now. Its just that the skills that are important to be a good fielder at one position don’t necessarily matter as much at others, even within the infield. Obviously hands are more important than range at 1B, while the opposite is true up the middle. I guess instincts play a greater role at 3B than true “range”. Just certain things like that. But I guess that’s what happens when you try and consolidate something as complicated as fielding into a single grade.
by nixa37 on Jan 14, 2026 2:53 PM EST up reply actions
"the teams those scouts work for ask them to throw out a grade based on current position.."
Scouts never throw out or assign arbitrary grades.
A “road” scout makes his living not off his salary, but off the guys he discovers and actually signs.
The top level guys; scouting directors, regional directors and area scouts, are pretty much salaried guys with some additional bonus built in based on annual signings.
If you’re a scouting director and your team drafts 40 guys and signs none of them, your salary is good enough to drive a Mercedes and make your mortgage payment.
The bottom guys, the area scouts, the associates, rely on their bonuses to survive.
They’re not going to go out and recommend guys who can’t play and waste the supervisor’s time just for the sake of making a few thousand extra a year.
Because if the supervisor’s see the kid and decide he can’t play, they’re not drafting him anyway.
Freddie Freeman played in the AFL in 2009.
The league has it’s own all-star game, called the “Rising Stars” game.
It’s basically a scouts game, where the pro scouts, GM’s, PD guys come together in one place to watch all the top prospects on one field.
Freddie Freeman wasn’t selected for the game.
In the press box before the game, someone asked Steve Cobb, who is the AFL Director, why Freeman wasn’t there.
He said, “because the game is for Rising Stars”.
So, the consensus at a scout’s game was that Freeman wasn’t a top prospect. at least compared to the guys who were there.
Other first baseman of note who were in the league that year were Chris Parmalee, Russ Mitchell, Yonder Alonso, Brandon Snyder, Chris Marrero, Brandon Allen and Ike Davis.
These guys were Freeman’s competition and he didn’t make the scout’s game.
I have never seen an official report on Freeman, but I have seen his ceiling compared to Keith Hernandez and Mark Grace.
That’s as an overall player, and not as a defensive player only.
I can tell you, however, as a defensive player only, Freeman is not in the same category as Justin Smoak, Eric Hosmer and Brandon Belt.
So if those guys are 70’s, then Freeman is no better than a 65.
by Kelsdad on Jan 14, 2026 6:56 PM EST up reply actions
fielding grades are for the specific position
they dont work otherwise
by pedrophile on Jan 14, 2026 8:01 PM EST up reply actions
I do appreciate the explanation
It really is great when you provide insights like these
by nixa37 on Jan 14, 2026 2:57 PM EST up reply actions
Insights or baseless and unsubstantiated nonsense?
More at 11.
by Matt0330 on Jan 16, 2026 12:32 PM EST up reply actions
LOL
At the very least, explaining his positions is a huge step in the right direction. At the very least I want to encourage that.
by nixa37 on Jan 16, 2026 12:57 PM EST up reply actions
Again, I think there's an implication
When you see “Freeman is a plus defender” that you’re saying “Freeman is a plus defender at first base”, which isn’t the same as giving a full scouting report. You implying that the plus defender thing is relative, not absolute.
I’ve never seen a full scouting report (from a real scout) which gave Freeman a 70 on his fielding. I imagine he’d rank 50, maybe 55, and that would be in the context of all infielders, not in the context of all first basemen.
http://www.crawfishboxes.com
by OremLK on Jan 14, 2026 1:48 PM EST up reply actions
I remember reading a quote recently
About a scout jokingly telling another to just go ahead and toss a 70 grade on Freeman’s fielding (or glove or whatever) and get out of their early. It may have been Mike Newman in one of his Fangraphs chats. If I can find the exact quote I’ll post it.
by nixa37 on Jan 14, 2026 1:52 PM EST up reply actions
Riveting stuff, Rich, thanks
Wondering if any of the following dudes came close to making your Big 100 or if you had mucho confidence in denying them spots:
Vinnie Catricala
Trevor Story
Javier Baez
Garin Cecchini
Dante Bichette II
THANKS!!
by Fanthead on Jan 13, 2026 11:39 PM EST reply actions
I for one will be following Bichette and Cecchini really closely...
He had a nice scouting report coming out of high school and did well in his professional debut. Cecchini just needs to stay healthy, the scouting reports and production are solid.
by 96mnc on Jan 16, 2026 4:40 PM EST up reply actions
Trevor Story
…was considered. Really like him a lot but very young. Here are excerpts from my notes:
Potential five tool high school player taken in the first round supplmental round in 2011. Steady lefty contact with nice plate dicipline even though he struck out 41 times in 179 AB’s. 13 stolen bases as well.
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by Rich Wilson on Jan 13, 2026 11:46 PM EST up reply actions
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