2011 Baseball Mock Draft, Mark II
Mock Draft MarkTwo
Here's another Mock Draft for your perusal. This is based on a combination of industry buzz/rumor/innuendo, history, logic, and intuition. I know a lot of people take these quite seriously, but keep in mind that even a "strong rumor" a week away from the draft has a decent chance of not coming true.
A highly-placed front office executive last week warned me against taking any rumor too seriously, saying "Last year, we didn't know who we were going to pick until two minutes before it was our turn." Many teams keep things close to the vest, while others aren't above spinning things to throw other teams (or agents) off track, and even teams which are honest about what they are looking for can't predict exactly what will happen, especially if they pick later in the draft. It only takes one team to do something unexpected to throw the whole draft into chaos.
It is no longer a sure thing that Anthony Rendon and Gerrit Cole will go 1-2.
I will post a mock supplemental round this afternoon.
1) Pirates: Anthony Rendon, 3B, Rice: It's not a sure thing, but I still think it will happen. There may be rumors right up until draft day that the shoulder issue will scare the Pirates off, but in the end I think Rendon is the best overall hitter in the draft and I think the Pirates will agree.
2) Mariners: Gerrit Cole, RHP, UCLA: As with Rendon, this isn't a sure thing but the attributes that attracted scouts to Cole in the first place are still here. There is some talk that the Mariners will go with a position player here, so if Rendon falls he could end up with Seattle. Another option is Bubba Starling although he won't have the rapid impact that Rendon or Cole would.
3) Diamondbacks: Danny Hultzen, LHP, Virginia. Everyone still thinks this will happen, and I agree.
4) Orioles: Dylan Bundy, RHP, Oklahoma HS: His stock has shot up since our last mock, his brother pitches in the system, and Bundy might get to the majors as fast as some of the college pitcher (I had Jed Bradley here last time).
5) Royals: Jed Bradley, LHP, Georgia Tech. Persistent rumors hold that the Royals will take an advanced college pitcher instead of local product Bubba Starling (who we had here last time). Which advanced college pitcher is a matter of debate, however. I still think Starling is a possibility, but the Royals have coveted left-handed pitching as much as they covet tools, and Bradley won't need long in the minors. If the Mariners and Pirates pass on Cole, he will probably end up here.
6) Nationals: Trevor Bauer, RHP, UCLA: No change from last time.
7) Diamondbacks (failure to sign Barret Loux): Alex Meyer, RHP, Kentucky. His stock has been rising as scouts are increasingly convinced that the gains he made with his command this year will stick. I had Matt Barnes here last time and that is still a strong possibility.
8) Indians: Sonny Gray, RHP, Vanderbilt: No change from last time.
9) Cubs: Bubba Starling, OF, Kansas HS: Assuming that the Royals do pass on Starling, it is hard to see him falling much further than this. I had Francisco Lindor here last time and that would also make some sense.
10) Padres (failure to sign Karsten Whitson): Matt Barnes, RHP, Connecticut. I had George Springer here last time but Barnes makes sense also, should be signable for this unprotected slot, and has terrific upside.
11) Astros: Taylor Jungmann, RHP, University of Texas: Home-state product, very talented, good mixture of safety, affordability, and upside.
12) Brewers: Taylor Guerrieri, RHP, South Carolina HS: High ceiling arm that the system needs badly. I had Blake Swihart here last time, but buzz has his stock dropping.
13) Mets: George Springer, OF, Connecticut: Loads of tools with some risk involved, but rumors indicate the new front office is willing to be more aggressive in the draft. I had John Stilson here last time but Springer makes more sense. Mikie Mahtook is also plausible, and there are rumors they like Brandon Nimmo.
14) Marlins: Archie Bradley, RHP, Oklahoma HS: No change from last time.
15) Brewers (failure to sign Dylan Covey): Mikie Mahtook, OF, LSU: No change from last time. This just makes too much sense to me as an unprotected pick.
16) Dodgers: Jose Fernandez, RHP, Florida HS: No change from last time. It still seems logical to me that Fernandez's combination of arm strength, polish, and affordability would attract the Dodgers given their financial situation. There is talk that they would be interested in more conventional high school arms like Robert Stephenson, although most of the high school guys might not settle for slot. One of the college pitchers is possible too.
17) Angels: Francisco Lindor, SS, Florida HS: Someone always drops unexpectedly, and in this scenario it is Lindor. I had Guerrieri here last time and he would also make sense if still on the board.
18) Athletics: C.J. Cron, 1B, Utah. I had Josh Bell here originally but he's telling people he doesn't want to sign. Someone will still draft him, but not this early. We will go with another power bat with Cron.
19) Red Sox (for Victor Martinez): Daniel Norris, LHP, Tennessee HS: All the focus on the college pitching this year seems to leave Norris without as much attention as he deserves. I had Andrew Susac here previously but most seem to regard Norris as a superior prospect.
20) Rockies: Kolten Wong, 2B, University of Hawaii: Strong rumors here. I had Norris previously in this slot.
21) Blue Jays: Corey Spangenberg, 3B-2B, Indian River JC: His pure hitting skills are moving him up draft boards quickly. Previous pick here was Javier Baez.
22) Cardinals: Javier Baez, INF, Florida HS: Original choice was Alex Meyer but his stock is up since the last mock. I still see Baez in the 20-25 range and he fits well with the Cardinals.
23) Nationals (for Adam Dunn): Brian Goodwin, OF, Miami Dade CC: Goodwin's stock has risen and rumors link the Nats to him. I had Jungmann here previously.
24) Rays (for Carl Crawford): Robert Stephenson, RHP, California HS. No change from last time. Still makes sense to me.
25) Padres: Andrew Susac, C, Oregon State: I had Tyler Anderson here last time but I think Susac fits better and represents great value in this slot.
26) Red Sox (for Adrian Beltre): Tyler Beede, RHP, Massachusetts HS: Lots of rumors that the Red Sox will go with a catcher like Austin Hedges or Swihart here. But for me, the concerns about Hedges' bat and bonus demands drop him down to the point where the Red Sox could take him in the supplemental and give him an overslot deal. I will stick with Beede.
27) Reds: Andrew Chafin, LHP, Kent State: Rumors have Chafin here. I had Josh Osich in this slot previously.
28) Braves: Dillon Howard, RHP, Arkansas HS: Braves-type draft. I had Goodwin here previously but it sounds like he won't be here by 28.
29) Giants: Joe Ross, RHP, California HS: The Giants are not an easy team to predict. I had Henry Owens here last time, then switched it to John Stilson. But Stilson just tore his labrum, so we'll stay in the Bay Area and go with Joe Ross.
30) Twins: Tyler Anderson, LHP, Oregon. I had Wong here last time but it doesn't sound like he will fall that far. Anderson fits the Twins mold, and they drafted him once before.
31) Rays (for Rafael Soriano): Jorge Lopez, RHP, Puerto Rico HS: I love this guy, he's incredibly projectable, should be affordable, and would thrive in the Rays system. I had Cron here previously.
32) Rays: Levi Michael, SS, North Carolina: Still makes sense to me.
33) Rangers (for Cliff Lee): Trevor Story, SS, Texas HS: Sure, the Rangers have Profar, but Don't Draft For Need. Story is local, has good offensive potential, can stick at shortstop, and you can never have too many infielders who can hit. Signability of previous choice Derek Fisher is clouded by strong Virginia commitment. Brandon Nimmo and Blake Swihart are also plausible.
I will have the supplemental posted later today.
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Very interesting
Well done - all of the picks seem well explained and logical.
I’m hoping Daniel Norris falls to the Jays, but if not, I’d be happy with Spangenberg or Javier Baez as well.
Excited to see what else the Jays pull in through your supplemental round!
by 4dizzle on May 30, 2025 10:09 AM EDT reply actions
solid mock
nice mock john, nothing seems out of place, everything could logically happen. Personally I think the top two switch, and I think Archie Bradley at #14 would be a huge steal. And its nice to not see the Sox linked to a catcher for probably the first time in 2011 mock season.
by GoldenSpikes24 on May 30, 2025 10:22 AM EDT reply actions
Bradley
Bradley’s the type of arm the Marlins would covet, and I know his bonus can be spread out over five years, but is it likely that Florida will buy him out of his Oklahoma commit? I get the sense that the possibility of Bradley QBing at Oklahoma is very real if the money’s not there…
by birdtown on May 30, 2025 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions
QB
Bradley is far from a sure thing to get on the field for OU at QB, if the money is there I have a hard time believing he’ll turn it down, he is a better pitcher than he is a QB.
by GoldenSpikes24 on May 30, 2025 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Yep
Bradley is not even a top ten prospect in the state of Oklahoma. He is not nearly as much of a threat to stick with football as someone like Starling.
by deezle on May 30, 2025 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks
I appreciate the responses. I don’t follow college FB that closely; I was under the impression that he was a better QB recruit than he is. Speaking of Starling, he seems to be a much better QB prospect with his feet than with his arm…which I suppose is fine for the college game ;)
The good news is I can put Bradley back on my board for the Community Mock then. I think he’d likely be the top talent if he fell to #14.
by birdtown on May 31, 2025 1:37 AM EDT up reply actions
The very possibility of Cole falling to the Royals
is a scary thought.
by cgouds77 on May 30, 2025 10:25 AM EDT reply actions
Just in general
The idea that they’re most likely going to add a #1 or #2-type starter to likely help that team in a couple of years is pretty horrifying.
by 4dizzle on May 30, 2025 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions
If the Rays do a draft like this, I would be devastated. Absolutely devastated.
We have discussed why Levi Michael doesn’t make sense, Stephenson is an overdraft (Susac, Beede, etc still available), and Jorge Lopez is a slight overdraft.
On a non-Rays note, I would flip Guerrieri and Bradley.
by mr. maniac on May 30, 2025 10:58 AM EDT reply actions
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by 4QB on May 30, 2025 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions
They have 10 picks in the 1 & 1s rounds don’t they?… I don’t know what their draft budget is at but I’m pretty sure that it’s not so high that they could sign them all without overdrafting on a fair number of them.
by Parallex on May 30, 2025 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
What about the theory that they take a shot on a hard-sign like Purke with the idea that if they can’t sign him they’ll get a comp pick in next year’s draft when they’ll have more money to sign a high-upside pick.
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by Fla-Giant on May 30, 2025 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Not sure they’d do that with the CBA set to expire… they have no way of knowing for sure that comp picks will even be around next year… bird in the hand.
by Parallex on May 30, 2025 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Purke hasn't shown enough this spring to be worth the $
Why spend $3-5MM on Purke when you could sign Beede, Stephenson, and Boyd for that much?
by AndrewTorrez on May 30, 2025 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Have they been making noise about increasing their draft budget by $6,000,000.00 or so? I figure they’re going to need around that much extra to sign all these guys if they don’t intend to overdraft.
by Parallex on May 30, 2025 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions
They actually did talk about putting money aside for this draft when they traded Garza and let others walk
Still, its pretty likely they will be taking some overdrafts/college players/easy signs with some of those picks. Not like they put aside $2m+ for each of their first 20 picks. That’s not a) feasible, nor b) a worthwhile investment strategy. You could go out and take nothing but tough signs and you still wouldn’t have a significantly better chance of improving your ROI.
Tough signs are available later, even if they’re not the sexy ones we’ve been drooling over all spring. The first round, especially where the Rays draft, is mostly for guys who are good/great prospects AND good values.
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by alskor on May 30, 2025 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions
They said they have been saving up for multipleyears.
Also, Friedman called it the most important day in Ray’s history.
by mr. maniac on May 30, 2025 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree
I don’t think the Rays will go cheap on any of there picks, as they understand how fortunate they are to have this many picks so early in the draft
by jackyz on May 30, 2025 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions
"Stephenson is an overdraft"
Not at 24 he isn’t.
by blackoutyears on May 31, 2025 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions
The Royals are wo will mess up everyone's mock drafts
I would be a little shocked if the top 4 players off the board weren’t Rendon, Cole, Bundy, and Hulzten in some order, but the Royals pick is such a mystery. People are reporting they want a college arm, but in this year with such a deep class its impossible to predict which one Bradley, Bauer, Gray, or maybe even Barnes as a possible dark horse and then there is Bubba Starling who fits the Royals draft strategy perfectly so they could always take him.
The Royals pick is the one I am most anticipating draft day because that is going to set the stage for how everything else falls.
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by Pelferized on May 30, 2025 11:07 AM EDT reply actions
Man if the Nats can get Bauer that would be incredible
Strasburg/Bauer would be a devastating 1-2 they could be dropping 30 K weekends.
by Dbullsfan on May 30, 2025 11:12 AM EDT reply actions
and dont forget
AJ Cole as their potential 3 starter if that happens.
No matter how much they are hyped, my teams always find a way to disappoint.
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by thedudeofdudes on May 30, 2025 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
If the Rangers pass on moneywhipping Josh Bell at 33
it’s only because they’re confident he’s there at 37.
I can’t hardly see them passing at 33.
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by hightowersmith on May 30, 2025 11:33 AM EDT reply actions
I am betting the Mets take a pitcher in the draft they definitely need high-upside arms
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by feslenraster on May 30, 2025 11:57 AM EDT reply actions
Yep.
Especially with Mejias injury, I think they go high upside arm or highly athletic outfielder. Those are the two glaring needs in the system. The rumors that they are taking Levi are confusing and ridiculous to me.
by thehitonecafe on May 30, 2025 12:48 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
maybe they plan to trade Jose Reyes?
otherwise yes, planning to take Levi makes 0 sense.
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by feslenraster on May 30, 2025 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I wouldn't bet on that
Anyone who is drafted will be years away, so the best player available is a safer way to go. If it is a pitcher, then so be it. If it is an outfielder, then that is who should be selected.
There will be a lot of opportunities to draft high ceiling arms in later rounds by going overslot.
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by Russ on May 30, 2025 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions
true enough. well, we don't know how Alderson will run this draft
so we just have to wait and see
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by feslenraster on May 30, 2025 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Braves
drafting Story of Fisher makes too much sense to me. But, if Howard’s there he does fit the Braves’ profile.
by apoxonbothyourhouses on May 30, 2025 12:15 PM EDT reply actions
Jays
I seriously doubt they pass up Baez in favor of Spangenberg if Baez somehow got to 21.
by metafour on May 30, 2025 12:20 PM EDT reply actions
I like Spangenberg in this spot (particularily as a MIF). He’s a good talent, has more proximity to the majors, and shouldn’t expect much more then slot at #21 (leaving money open to get a signability issues guy in the supp rounds).
by Parallex on May 30, 2025 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Baez is signable as well and simply has a higher upside than Spangenberg does. Like I said; I really doubt the Jays pass up on that upside.
by metafour on May 30, 2025 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions
+1
and there’s been no indication that the Jays will be sticking with slot guys considering their numerous picks, the word is they will be taking the best talents regardless of cost.
by The_Bunk on May 30, 2025 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions
The thing is that Baez is committed to a JUCO…the kid is not going to be a very hard signing, so its not like we’re comparing a kid that will sign at slot to a kid that is demanding $4 million.
by metafour on May 30, 2025 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Sure, sure… but at the same time it’s not like Spangenberg is bad. He’s got good scouting reports and he’s probably closer to the majors then Baez is.
by Parallex on May 30, 2025 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions
“Closer to the majors” wont impact Toronto at all. This is a franchise that values upside. I’m not saying Spangenberg is bad, I’m simply stating that Baez’s higher upside will intrigue Toronto more. Baez profiles to have much more power, and even with both being defensive question-marks Beaz looks better in that aspect as well (as a SS who should be able to play 3B, whereas Spangenberg is a bad 3B who may be able to play 2B or CF).
by metafour on May 30, 2025 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I dunno, I mean in the past 10 years they’ve taken a prep player twice (? I think) in the first round (Snider & Ahrens)… I more get the sense that as an organization they prefer to go with College players for their first round choice rather then the younger upside guys they can dream on.
I mean McGuire and Jenkins are your more typical high-floor guys then your high-ceiling guys.
by Parallex on May 30, 2025 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions
The Jays drafted more HS players than anyone last year. What they did in the past 10 years means next to nothing considering it is a new regime in charge, and one that has a completely different organizational philosophy. JP Ricciardi was still GM when Jenkins was drafted, and the McGuire pick last year was more or less a BPA pick considering that he was a consensus Top 10 stock and was as high as ~Top 5 at one point.
If one of the top college kids were to drop to 21 the Jays would likely make that pick easily, so I’m not trying to say that they’re going HS no matter who is available. In the Baez/Spangenberg case however you have one guy (Baez) who is pretty much unanimously considered to be higher perceived and neither guy is asking for a ridiculous contract. Baez also draws some similarities to Brett Lawrie; who the Jays were extremely high on.
by metafour on May 30, 2025 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed
Glad someone is in agreement with me about the Deck pick
by The_Bunk on May 30, 2025 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions
What they did in the past 10 years means next to nothing considering it is a new regime in charge, and one that has a completely different organizational philosophy.
Shrug… it’s not like Anthopolous wasn’t Ricciardi’s assistent GM for the prior 5 years and Scouting Coordinator for three years prior to that. Really though Alex Anthopolous has a 1 year record for drafting so it’s entirely to soon to say what his organizational philosophy is exactly.
I’m just saying there’s a case for taking Spangenberg over Baez here. Not an open and shut case but a case none-the-less.
by Parallex on May 30, 2025 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions
example
Law has Jed Bradley dropping to the Jays at 21.
by ayjackson on May 30, 2025 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm really not sold on Spangenberg
Granted, I have not had a chance to see him play, but I am scratching my head as to what makes him a first round bat. Maybe if he profiled well defensively, but right now all we’re looking at is a guy with a good hit tool and plus-plus speed.
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by Jeff Reese on May 30, 2025 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I would love Lindor to the angels...
I mentioned both of your projected angels in my post..
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by miketrout on May 30, 2025 12:23 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Let me do a little more in depth response for why this draft is dissappointing for a Ray's fan.
Pick #24: Robert Stephenson.
Stephenson is viewed more of a supplemental round pick with the possibility of maybe slipping in at the late few picks. Even if the Rays really like him, he should still be there by picks 31/32. It isn’t like there is not talent on the board though still. Susac, Beede, Howard, Owens, Fisher, etc… all make more sense here as they all are easily signable enough. Bell, Nimmo, and Swihart are all good choices here too if the Rays want to dig out a little cash, which I think they would be willing to do. Projected pick: Josh Bell. I doubt he turns away a lot of money, and I bet the Rays would be ready to pull out the cash for such an elite bat that they want. Them missing out on Cron makes the desire for a middle-of-the-order bat even greater.
Pick #31: Jorge Lopez
Once again, this is another guy who is an overdraft, as he barely is slipping into some top 50 lists. You may have him as the BPA though John, so it is your choice. The same guys from pick #24 that made sense there (excluding the ones already drafted) would make sense here too. Projected pick: Henry Owens. Owens is just too good for the Rays to let him pass up here. There were many many good picks available at this spot.
Pick #32: Levi Michael
I’ll explain why this pick doesn’t make sense again. Levi Michael is a good propsect because he is a solid hitter and a solid defender at SS. The Rays already have Tim Beckham and Hak Ju Lee at A+ and AA. You don’t draft for a need, but when you have a top 50 and a top 100 propsects both higher than a solid guy coming out of college, you shouldn’t draft him unless he is the BPA. Once again, the guys I said make sense. Projected pick: Derek Fisher. While Nimmo or Swihart would have been nice here, the Rays already gave up alot of money for Bell. Fisher shouldn’t cost much but gives the Rays a good toolsy player.
by mr. maniac on May 30, 2025 12:33 PM EDT reply actions
You are completely underrating Stephenson. In no way is he “probably a supplemental pick”. He could easily go well before #24 on draft day.
by metafour on May 30, 2025 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed. Stephenson is 24th on my board. Like him a lot.
Also, you’ve named three very, very expensive players instead. The Rays just aren’t going to break the bank on every pick with that many early picks. I thought John’s was a pretty realistic draft strategy. Lopez and Stephenson is a pretty aggressive 1-2, actually.
KLaw yesterday:
I believe Bell’s price tag is enormous - probably would require a record for a prep bat.
http://twitter.com/#!/keithlaw/status/74704912214269952
Owens and Fisher are not easy signs at all, either. You might be looking at $8-9m+ for just these three players.
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by alskor on May 30, 2025 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Is Owens really supposed to be a harder sign than Stephenson, and I prefer Owens (and Beede) to him, if just slightly
Also, are guys like JBJ supposed to be overslot in the late first? I’d take him over either Lopez or Michael. On BPA I probably would have gone Owens/Nimmo/Swihart, but obviously Nimmo and Swihart are looking at 2mil+ or so, but I could see a very legitimate argument for something like Owens/JBJ/Nimmo-Swihart. Hell, I think I’d actually prefer Michael Kelly in the back of the first.
by Navi's_Navy on May 30, 2025 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I was saying I liked Stephenson
and that Bell + those other guys he mentioned would be prohibitively expensive, while John had already laid out a fairly expensive path. Owens, Beede and Stephenson should all be pretty expensive, but its my feeling Beede (Vandy) and Owens (Miami) might be a little tougher to buy out than Stephenson (Washington). Owens has been the higher profile player (not saying with reason or not) than Stephenson.
Swapping Stephenson and Lopez for Owens and Fisher is a pretty lateral move… probably require more money to sign that latter pair, though, IMO. The addition of Bell is what makes it a “shoot the moon” scenario.
I like Kelly a lot as well.
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by alskor on May 30, 2025 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I'll do the lateral move than.
How about Howard/Owens/Fisher? That should be around 4 million for all of them, right?
by mr. maniac on May 30, 2025 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Derek Fisher is going to cost money
He’s a UVa commit and they never come cheap. I’d say he’s definitely an over slot guy and a potential faller in the draft.
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by Jeff Reese on May 30, 2025 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I bet the Red Sox draft him
They seem to have cornered the market on guys with the same names as pro athletes in other sports
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by lemonjello on May 31, 2025 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Stephenson
Is getting a bizarre rep with some. Beede’s latest reports have him throwing a nice FB but not featuring great command or an average breaking ball. Stephenson has one of the best FBs, a very good breaking ball that he’s commanded well this year and an extremely projectable frame. I see Beede’s delivery as slightly less violent, but Stephenson’s isn’t bad. This idea that Stephenson is a supp talent is supported by neither my looks nor the reports of evaluators.
by blackoutyears on May 31, 2025 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I didn't know that Bell would be that expensive.
How much should Fisher and Owens be? 1 million a piece, right?
by mr. maniac on May 30, 2025 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't know about Owens but Fisher has professed his love of UVA so you know that means $$$$$
by DominicanDandy on May 30, 2025 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, Fisher is not coming cheaply
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by Jeff Reese on May 30, 2025 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Okay, if you say so.
My opinion is kinda based off of consensus, which seems to think Stephenson is too high there.
by mr. maniac on May 30, 2025 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions
How is that based off of consensus? Stephenson is #25 on BA’s list, and even higher on Frankie Piliere’s board.
by metafour on May 30, 2025 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions
lopez
you are underrating Lopez. EVERYONE is. This guy is better than some of the HS arms who get a lot more press.
You are also underestimating Stephenson who is most definitely NOT a supplemental pick.
by John Sickels on May 30, 2025 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
+1
I agree with you on Stephenson. I could see him going before #20. He has one of the most projectable pitching frames of any of the HS pitchers out there. I think that he’ll fill out as he grows and end up easily adding 2-3 mph to his velocity. He could have easily been a top 10 pick in previous drafts.
Question on Lopez. What reports have you seen/heard about him? The available info that I’ve been able to find is very, very thin. Can you give us a broad sketch of what his repertoire is, what his body looks like, and who he might be comparable to interms of present and future pitching style?
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by Fla-Giant on May 30, 2025 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions
lopez
6-4, 175, athletic. Already throws in low 90s. Both curveball and changeup very promising, and he already throws strikes. Video I saw shows smooth and consistent mechanics, advanced feel for pitching given his background. Main questions revolve around how much additional strength/size/velocity he may gain.
by John Sickels on May 30, 2025 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks for that, John.
Do you think that Lopez has been seen by a lot of scouts, or has his relative isolation in Puerto Rico (I don’t see any reports of him playing against high-level competition in the past) kept him off the radar?
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by Fla-Giant on May 30, 2025 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions
puerto rico
I think it is because of the Puerto Rico thing
by John Sickels on May 30, 2025 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Lopez
I have to say…I LOVE this kid’s arm action. Almost a parody of the classic low-effort delivery - it’s that smooth and loose. I think he’s got 3-4 more mph hidden in there, and the curve is tight when he gets on top. I’m also partial to tall kids who like to come over the top with a high 3/4 or overhand delivery…seems like so many kids are low 3/4 slingers now.
That said, it’s hard to find much on this guy. He’s probably worth the pick for a team like the Rays or Jays who can spread their eggs around. I’m also just generally leery of the Puerto Rico academy kids - seems like they spend 2-3 years in instructional/extended spring training and then fall off the planet.
by birdtown on May 31, 2025 1:45 AM EDT up reply actions
I like Stephenson.
There is just so much quality though in thise draft. He is around 28 or so on my board. However, I just really prefer the guys I listed.
by mr. maniac on May 30, 2025 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I see what you’re saying. I think you’re putting too much of a emphasis on older mock drafts and player rankings. I think you should think more in terms of tiers. There’s a large tier of talented HS pitchers that are just below the Bundy, Guerieri, Bradley and Norris level. This includes guys like Stephenson, Fernandez, Howard, Beede, Ross, Ownes, Lopez, and a few others. Those kids could all go off the board in any order and it wouldn’t be surprising to most evaluators. A team like the Rays is going to draft on potential, signability, and development time (for the most part), and Stephenson scores very high on all of those scales.
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by Fla-Giant on May 30, 2025 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions
He does.
He is in the same teir as some of those guys. Check out my top 33 in the top 5 fanpost. I just would prefer the better players.
by mr. maniac on May 30, 2025 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions
OK.
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by Fla-Giant on May 30, 2025 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions
"I just would prefer the better players."
So Stephenson is in the same tier but those players are “better”? You can like whom you like, but since it’s clearly based on mock draft position or something, you may want to be less strident about it.
by blackoutyears on May 31, 2025 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Okay.
Yeah, I didn’t know you regarded these players like that. I thought you were taking overslot players so the Rays could get a lot of them. My bad.
by mr. maniac on May 30, 2025 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Definitely agree. He's in the same conversation with these other continental US prep arms we hear a lot about IMO.
I think he’s just not getting enough attention from fans… I doubt teams will let him drop.
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by alskor on May 30, 2025 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Andrew Chafin
Good job John - it was interesting to read your reasoning.
Do you really think Chafin will go in the first round considering his recent injury issues. missed starts, and poor performances over the last 3 weeks? Given his previous TJ surgery, I have a hard time imagining any team will take a chance on him in the top 40 picks. There are just too many other good pitching options out there.
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by Fla-Giant on May 30, 2025 12:51 PM EDT reply actions
Chafin
just had a nice CG shutout against Eastern Michigan on Saturday. And he should get another start prior to Monday, right? That may assuage some concerns if he can post b-t-b good outings. Chafin is still a sensible mock to the Reds imo.
by blackoutyears on May 31, 2025 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Starling...
I’m curious as to whether he’s seen as more of a Josh Hamilton or a Ryan Harvey.IIRC Harvey had a hole in his swing early and couldn’t recognize a breaking ball to save his life.
What’s the feel with this guy besides “legit 5 tools?” Does his upside blow George Springer’s out of the water?
by SenorGato on May 30, 2025 12:54 PM EDT reply actions
Lindor at #17 looks like the biggest steal in the first round - by far. Given the dearth of good shortstops in the majors and minors, I have a hard time seeing Lindor falling that far.
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by Fla-Giant on May 30, 2025 12:55 PM EDT reply actions
I was thinking the exact same thing
And would love for the mets to get him at 13
by thehitonecafe on May 30, 2025 1:11 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Tyler Anderson
at 30 looks like a pretty good value as well.
by cookiedabookie on May 30, 2025 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Brewers
With all do respect there is no way the Brewers are drafting Mikey Mahtook with the 15th pick unprotected or not. The last thing this organization needs is a corner outfielder with little upside. I will be shocked if the team passes over Lindor to pick someone like Mahtook.
by bklynbrewcrew on May 30, 2025 2:29 PM EDT reply actions
Agreed
Given the extreme dearth of shortstop prospects in the Brewers’ system, it would be surprising if they passed up Lindor twice.
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by battlekow on May 30, 2025 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Well prepare to be dissapointed because KLaw agrees with John and say that if Mahtook is at 15th they take him.
by DominicanDandy on May 30, 2025 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Mahtook
Clearly I was wrong in saying their is no way the Brewers would draft Mahtook but I think it would be a drastic mistake to draft an outfielder with little upside who is a 15-20 HR guy tops in MLB. I dont see any way the Brewers pass on Lindor once much less twice but thats just my opinion.
by bklynbrewcrew on May 31, 2025 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions
little upside???????
i can’t agree with that at all.
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by doublestix on May 31, 2025 2:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Mahtook's upside
I dont consider an outfielder who is described as “polished” with 15-20 HR upside as a guy with high end abilities and certainly not a guy I would draft in the first round of a deep draft.
by bklynbrewcrew on May 31, 2025 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Well, many believe he's a CF and not far from the majors...
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by alskor on May 31, 2025 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah...
i think he’s a CF w/ 20 hr upside and 20-30 steals as well. not to mention his plate discipline is pretty good. and yeah he’s fairly polished and could be in the majors in 2 years. i would not blame any team drafting 15-20 if they took him. he’s good.
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by doublestix on May 31, 2025 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I would love Lindor to the Angels
He reminds me of Profar
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by mathisrocks5 on May 30, 2025 3:12 PM EDT reply actions
Nice mock, John.
I like Lindor scenario, and it seems to make sense based on how the rest of the top half of your first round plays out. Cron to the A’s seems like too perfect of a fit, and I’m glad I’m not the only one who feels this way.
by Rob Steingall on May 30, 2025 3:37 PM EDT reply actions
Jungmann
Since the Astros have only selected 2 players from Texas in the top 7 rounds under Heck (3 drafts), I seriously doubt they have any concern if a player is from Texas.
by astrosfan76 on May 30, 2025 3:57 PM EDT reply actions
I love reading the comments
Where fan of Team X says there is “no way” his team would dare draft such and such player.
by deezle on May 30, 2025 5:16 PM EDT reply actions 5 recs
Team x covers every team including mine.
by DominicanDandy on May 30, 2025 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions
and pointing it out
let’s them continue.
by apoxonbothyourhouses on May 31, 2025 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions
John
I hope you are right on the Pirates. Keeping my fingers crossed.
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by McCutchenIsTheTruth on May 30, 2025 7:08 PM EDT reply actions
KLaw says the Red Sox will not draft a HS pitcher at 19th.
I still have hopes they pay for Bell if not I don’t know what they’ll do.
by DominicanDandy on May 30, 2025 8:49 PM EDT reply actions
Two questions for anyone who wants to answer.
Any chance Kolten Wong drops to the Giants?
Also does it make sense for the Royals to take Lindor with their first pick since it looks unlikely Colon is a major league SS. I’m against drafting for need, but I have heard a few people suggest Lindor as a possibility.
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by Nnamdi Asomugha on May 31, 2025 12:44 AM EDT reply actions
Mock Draft
Here’s another mock draft - looks like the top three guys an go in any order http://bit.ly/mC4Fn6
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