Thinking about Delino Deshields on a lazy Saturday - ratings whiff in the making?
Delino Deshields, Jr. was drafted pretty high (8th) as a very young tools guy (not quite 18 when drafted) at a thin position (2b). He then performed well, putting up a 128 wRC+ in the GCLs in 73 PA. His performance was buoyed by a .420 BABIP and came with a subpar BB/K split (7%/25%), but these were not especially troubling for a guy in his first exposure to pro ball after being drafted as a raw athlete.
The pro rankers took notice. Kevin Goldstein gave him 4 stars entering 2011, noting that "He gets strong grades for both his intelligence and makeup." John Sickels gave him a B-, well in keeping with a raw new draftee with good upside. And Baseball America said "His bat speed helps him catch up to the best of fastballs, and he has the strength to project to hit for average power," an uplifting hitting report for a guy who profiles as an 80 runner at a thin defensive position.
Despite all this, Deshields received surprisingly little attention within the amateur community. We don't talk about him much on here, and info elsewhere was mighty thin for a 19-YO prospected drafted 8th overall and who performed well in his first exposure to pro ball. Try Googling "Delino Deshields Jr scouting report." The effects were even noticeable in my own humble fantasy league, where Deshields became the first Top 10 pro position pick to not be drafted.
So why bring up this background? Because I think he's got all the hallmarks of an underrated, breakout candidate. Delino Deshields has prospect fatigue before even getting any buzz, thanks to a perfect combo of profile, exposure, and sophomore performance.
High draft pedigree? Check.
Good scouting reports? Check.
Projected to take awhile to develop? Check.
Buried in a crappy baseball organization that plays in a low media market? Check.
Low buzz? Check.
Further buried by subpar sophomore season? Check.
So that's the background. The foreground, in 2011, is that he jumped from the Rookie Ball to A Ball, skipping the NYPL, and put up a 79 wRC+ in his sophomore campaign. Not surprisingly, even less attention was paid to him. Kevin Goldstein dropped him two full stars (ouch), and even the normally voluble, peripatetic Fangraphs has zero links to articles from Deshields' page.To top it off, he was charged with DUI in January. Ouch.
But there's more between the lines. He skipped the NYPL, while converting to 2B, which seems tough for exactly the kind of raw player Deshields was labeled. His BB rate rose to a respectable 10%, while his K rate dropped slightly (22%), hinting at a potential for good OBP skills - a fine thing for a 2B with afterburners. He didn't even turn 19 until near the end of the season, in August. His speed appears usable, with a 75% stolen base rate. And there was even room to find mitigation within his numbers: Lexington's park factors slightly suppress singles and strongly suppress triples, both of which would disproportionately affect a player like Deshields.And his BABIP was low, at .274, which may or may not mean anything depending on the peripherals I don't have access to.
So what do we have? Prospect fatigue on a high draft pick who struggled initially in a poor hitters park at an unusually low ARL, while skipping a level and converting to a new position and dealing with a DUI. His athleticism remains high, and he remains at least a year young for his level even by legit prospect standards. Deshields is exactly the kind of guy who gets passed over by SNTS, and is strong breakout candidate in 2012. I am therefore beating Casejud to the punch and declaring him the community's first whiff of the 2012 ranking season.
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Bravo Sidd
You didn’t exactly beat me, I said as much on the thread on KGs Astros list but, you said it better.
I usually find the selections of peolples use of BABIP to be not very compelling but, in Delino’s case, I found that I liked everything about his 2011 season, except his batting average and, the indicators are there - pop, speed, selectiveness - that he will get more base-hits.
" I too love everthing that flows: rivers, sewers, lava, blood, bile, words, sentences . ." - Henry Miller
by casejud on Nov 5, 2025 5:09 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
To be fair
His ISO stinks too. But, to play devil’s advocate on that, too, he’s only 19 and it’s reasonable think he’s still too raw to see much progress towards that “projected average power.” And, that park factor of 84 for triples by RHBs in Lexington probably also helped suppress the ISO. It’s a little odd to see a line of 2 triples over 500+ PAs from a guy with 30SBs; learning that the park is tough on triples helps explain that.
by siddfynch on Nov 5, 2025 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Right
I’m not really trying to argue that it was a statistically, good, season - it wasn’t. I would argue that, developmentally, there are lots of things to like there. It isn’t as ghastly as it would seem by just looking at the “.220”. Full season ball at age 18 is biting of a lot for a kid and, he did some positive things.
Also, i’ve reminded myself not to make a similar mistake as i did with Dustin Ackley, and others did with Brett Lawrie - which is to judge a minor leaguer’s hitting too harshly while he is learning second base. It is not an easy thing to do. In Delino’s case he was in deep out in the field and in the batters box.
Again, there are some parallels to Justin Upton’s 2006 season, in my opinion, especialliy in how the season was viewed by a lot of people.
" I too love everthing that flows: rivers, sewers, lava, blood, bile, words, sentences . ." - Henry Miller
by casejud on Nov 5, 2025 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions
one big difference, of course
We already knew Upton had some crazy game skills, even at his young age. His Midwest League season was pretty mediocre, but he absolutely dazzled in spring training just a few months earlier. The thing that threw people off with Upton was the separation between his numbers and how good we knew he was, not the separation between his numbers and how good he could be. The separator, by all accounts, was a lazy attitude, probably brought on by being slow-tracked that year after spring training.
DeShields doesn’t really have the game skills yet, and he needs to get stronger. He’s quick and he looks fair enough at second base, but there wasn’t a whole lot behind his swing this year.
by mrkupe on Nov 5, 2025 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed
With the lack of parallel between Upton and Deshields. I’m definitely not trying to take that stance here.
I WOULD really like to see some scouting reports from 2011 on him. Was his swing really that bad? And how was the transition to defense? There is almost nothing out there (easily found).
by siddfynch on Nov 5, 2025 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Let me clarify
and you guys may disagree with this as well, of course, but I see a parallel in people jumping off of the bandwagon on a very young and, very talented, player mostly because of his batting average, more than a direct parallel of them as ballplayers. I don’t think Delino is as talented as Upton.
The other similarity is in just judging a really young ballplayer in his first season in full-season ball, especially with little pro experience before. The parallel I see is in the context of the poorer than expected numbers and, the conclusions drawn from them.
Also Kupe, I can’t say whether or not Upton was lazy or, dogged it in the MWL. I can say that it is enough of a challenge for any 18 year old in that league and, it isn’t really being “slow tracked” being put in full-season ball straight out of HS, is it?
" I too love everthing that flows: rivers, sewers, lava, blood, bile, words, sentences . ." - Henry Miller
by casejud on Nov 5, 2025 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions
lol
2. Justin Upton, CF
DOB: 8/25/87
Draft: 1st round (1st overall), 2005, Virginia HS
What he did in 2006: .263/.343/.413 at Low-A (501 PA)
The Good: More tools than Home Depot: power to all fields, runs like the wind, cannon for an arm. Nobody in the minors has these kinds of tools in terms of their quality and multiplicity, and few come even close. For a player in his first year in center, he showed plus range and good instincts.
The Bad: So then why the hell didn’t he play all that well? Good question. By all accounts, he simply didn’t play hard. Remember the kid who was the smartest one in school, but got Cs because he was bored? It might be like that. That doesn’t work over the long haul, and the team hopes a lesson has been learned.
The Irrelevant: In 15 plate appearances with the bases loaded, he had three walks and five hits, including a pair of grand slams.
In A Perfect World, He Becomes: An elite player-the kind that gets his number retired.
Gap Between What He Is Now, And What He Can Be: High. One year since being signed, Upton is still pretty much all potential after one of the more disappointing seasons of any prospect in 2006. He could have a massive earth-shattering year at Visalia, but he can’t do that by playing another season on cruise control. Unlimited potential with no results to judge makes you one of the top prospects in the game. Unlimited potential with one mediocre season under your belt does not. That’s why he’s number two.
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=5694
Frankly, it’s still a pessimistic account because it doesn’t mention his amazing spring training with the major league team, but it gets the point across.
by mrkupe on Nov 5, 2025 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Why is that funny exactly?
He dogged it. He was lazy. He flashed great tools in spring training, agreed.
He also was ranked 29th by Goldstein that year, which is what I was talking about. His 2006 numbers were the main justification in underrvaluing his future. My point was that it was unjustified. It was also a pessimistic account because he didn’t believe in his talents at the time of that report.
This is just my opinion now but, I think there is an element there of trying to find a way to explain why Upton’s season wasn’t so good, when, in reality his season was actually quite good, for an 18 year old - in full season ball - with no pro experience soming into that year.
Thats the same thing I see about DeShild’s season. Thats the similarity that I see.
" I too love everthing that flows: rivers, sewers, lava, blood, bile, words, sentences . ." - Henry Miller
by casejud on Nov 5, 2025 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions
not quite
Your point was: “Also Kupe, I can’t say whether or not Upton was lazy or, dogged it in the MWL.”
I provided evidence for you that says “By all accounts, he simply didn’t play hard”. So, there you go. Just setting aside performance for one moment, he dogged it. You can say he wasn’t ready to excel there and dogged it, or you can say he just didn’t care about playing well there and he dogged it, but the point remains, he dogged it.
Goldstein’s ranking of Upton that year was rather infamous as I recall, even acknowledged as such by KG after the fact . . .although I’ve found that KG tends to excessively over-state/overrate makeup concerns in relation to what they really mean to major league projection and future role.
You are right, Upton’s season was pretty good. It was much better than DeShields’ 2011 in a tougher environment, and yes, for an 18 year old in the Midwest League, he did pretty well. Part of the problem was peer comparison of course, as Jay Bruce and Colby Rasmus both ran amok in the same league in the same year. At the same time, Upton’s season WAS a little disappointing because the thing is, everybody knew that he could have easily played much better than that. To work with KG’s analogy, it was like the genius kid who got all Cs did so because he didn’t do any of his homework.
DeShields is just a totally different case. Not different in a bad way, mind you, he’s just not that kind of talent, and he’s on a fundamentally different development track.
by mrkupe on Nov 6, 2025 1:02 PM EST up reply actions
He also was ranked 29th by Goldstein that year..'
Yikes. That’d be quite an oversight.
by Matt0330 on Nov 7, 2025 1:24 PM EST up reply actions
decent article
about Delino’s 2011 season here . . .
" I too love everthing that flows: rivers, sewers, lava, blood, bile, words, sentences . ." - Henry Miller
by casejud on Nov 5, 2025 7:49 PM EDT reply actions
" I too love everthing that flows: rivers, sewers, lava, blood, bile, words, sentences . ." - Henry Miller
by casejud on Nov 5, 2025 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions
My appoligies
ignore the link above, unless you want to read the same stuff here again.
Here is the article . . .
http://footer.mlblogs.com/2011/08/10/former-no-1-pick-deshields-honing-his-skills-in-lexington/
" I too love everthing that flows: rivers, sewers, lava, blood, bile, words, sentences . ." - Henry Miller
by casejud on Nov 5, 2025 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I wonder if Rany Jazayerli's work on young HS draftees is also relevant
If so, his youth as a draftee might be another reason to think that he’s a candidate to be underrated early and break out later.
Not actually affiliated with whygavs.
by WHYG Zane Smith on Nov 5, 2025 7:58 PM EDT reply actions
Yes! I think so
I would argue that it is always relevent, especially the younger a prospect is. I would agree with you and the OP that he is a much more likelier breakout cantidate than most players, for many reason. His age combined with his skill and, level of baseball being a few of them.
" I too love everthing that flows: rivers, sewers, lava, blood, bile, words, sentences . ." - Henry Miller
by casejud on Nov 5, 2025 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions
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