Trade Reactions, Part Four

by John Sickels on Aug 1, 2025 6:00 PM EDT

Trade Reaction, Part Four

The White Sox picked up Edwin Jackson from the Diamondbacks for Dan Hudson and David Holmberg. Jackson has a great arm but is a mediocre pitcher at this point. I like Dan Hudson a lot, and frankly his chance to pitch well down the stretch is just as good as Jackson's, if not better. Holmberg is a decent Grade C+ pitching prospect. I don't like this trade from the White Sox perspective at all. There are rumors that Jackson was supposed to be flipped to another team but it didn't happen, so as it stands I think this is a bad trade for Chicago.

The Rangers picked up Cristian Guzman from the Nationals in exchange for Ryan Tatsuko and Tanner Roark. Guzman had no future in Washington but provides some additional experience for the Texas bench. Both Tatsuko and Roark are Grade C pitching prospects who might be useful utility pitchers at the major league level. Fair trade for both teams I think, the Nats picking up a couple of extra low-upside arms in exchange for a mediocre veteran.

The Diamondbacks traded Chris Snyder and Pedro Ciriaco, plus cash, to the Pirates for D.J. Carrasco, Ryan Church, and Bobby Crosby. Basically this is a swap of spare parts. Snyder had no future in Arizona and Ciriaco can't hit. Church and Crosby are veteran bench players, and Carrasco is a decent reliever. This trade seems unlikely to help or hinder either team much in the long run, a wash basically.

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Please hit the Ohman for Vandehurk deal..

I’m curious about your opinion of the Hurk. It’s a relatively decent net gain for the Os because they added Ohman via Spring Training invite, coming off a shoulder injury that made him very unattractive to teams in the offseason. So it’s basically a minimum contract that turned into a solid LHRP season that turned into Hurk.

by basemonkey on Aug 1, 2025 6:09 PM EDT reply actions

The Snyder deal seems like a clear win for the Pirates

They get rid of garbage (plus Carrasco) for a decent player who has a couple years of team control left (they also received $3 million). I totally understand this deal from the Pirates’ perspective, and I continue to not have any idea what the hell is going on in Arizona.

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by thejd44 on Aug 1, 2025 7:55 PM EDT reply actions

dan hudson did pretty well today for AZ

by matthewmafa on Aug 1, 2025 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions

That trade is one that is going to work out fine

The other two aren’t all that great though.

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by gatling on Aug 1, 2025 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions

Depends how Skaggs and Corbin develop

by OremLK on Aug 2, 2025 12:43 AM EDT up reply actions

I like both of them quite a bit

but relying on two A ball pitchers to develop and become valuable doesn’t equal good trade to me. They didn’t get enough for Haren.

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by gatling on Aug 2, 2025 7:57 AM EDT up reply actions

we got rid of Ryan Church

its a win for us just based on that alone

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by WVPiratesfan on Aug 1, 2025 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions

+1

Snyder won’t be a part of a winning baseball team in Pittsburgh, but they clearly upgraded at the position while giving up absolutely nothing.

by Jeff Reese on Aug 1, 2025 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions

Agreed completely

Snyder is useful and the Pirates paid pennies on the dollar for him

by DeJay on Aug 2, 2025 5:36 AM EDT up reply actions

Think the White Sox got fooled into need to make a trade

Just not that impressed with Jackson especially with the price tag attached. Sox would have been much better off with Hudson down the stretch. That’s one they’ll regret in a short time. Clear win for the D-Backs get Hudson for Mr. No- Hitter.

by daveyork on Aug 1, 2025 9:11 PM EDT reply actions

They were gonna trade Jackson for Dunn

otherwise they wouldnt of done the deal

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by Marinerfanjake on Aug 1, 2025 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions

i'm not gonna say the Nationals are without blame

but the white sox should of had some sort of agreement in place to flip Jackson to the Nats for Dunn before making the deal w/ the D-Backs.

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by doublestix on Aug 1, 2025 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions

How hard is it to set up a 3-way deal?

Just get the 3-way deal done or don’t do the deal. Don’t do a 3-way deal in two steps because you give the Nats back the leverage. Who knows? They could have gone Kum-bah-yah with Dunn’s camp in the 24 hours between the Jackson trade and the deadline. This Nats fan isn’t mad they kept Dunn because the fan base loves him and he evokes memories of Senators great Frank Howard for the old timers who had to do without baseball. But if Rizzo walks away with only picks, “foo on you, Rizzo!” I’m so mad when I hear people say “The Nats are losers at the deadline!” on Espn, though. The Nats made three other moves besides Dunn which all show some brand of intelligence: they flipped Capps for fair or plus value; they got Guzman off their roster for more than a bag of balls; they signed Cuban Yuniesky Maya which is probably the best of the three moves. Rizzo’s decided to gamble on either the character and good faith of Dunn’s agent or his ability to draft effectively with the extra picks. Dunn received a whole lot of love from Nats Park tonight and if he’s more than just the next American League guy to sign for a whole bunch of dough somewhere, he’ll let the Nats match any offer presented to his agent or sign an extension between now and the end of the year.

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by souldrummer on Aug 1, 2025 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions

I agree

that the Nats did well with their moves. I think Ramos will play well for you guys and Maya is an interesting risk for a rotation with room at the back. Jackson is a risky guy who could still pan out, and I still like him, but I’m not sure I’d be thrilled with him as the centerpiece of a deal for Dunn. No, I think Rizz did fine. He seems pretty thoughtful and measured in his approach.

by blackoutyears on Aug 2, 2025 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions

Rizzo is on record saying this "get Jackson and you can have Dunn" agreement never happened

I’m starting to think Kenny Williams jumped the gun, maybe Rizzo said he liked Jackson and thought making the move would be enough.

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by thejd44 on Aug 2, 2025 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions

Yeah, I think this is what happened

I have a really hard time believing that Rizzo ever directly told teams that they could have Dunn if the Nats got Jackson in return.

I think that KW thought that was the case and went hard after Jackson because Washington wanted more than just Hudson/Holmberg, but in the end Washington realized that Jackson isn’t really that great of a value.

Even as a Chicagoan, I entirely believe that, if anything, it was a poor move on KW’s part.

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by Satchel Price on Aug 2, 2025 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions

Unless

Mike Rizzo pulls off a mask to reveal that he’s actually Jim Bowden, I’ll err on the side of his being more honorable than these rumors imply.

by blackoutyears on Aug 3, 2025 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions

Yep, Rizzo appears to have kind of hustled them.

Maybe he asked for secondary prospects that killed the Hudson deal. Maybe this is some kind of favor to his former Diamondbacks brethren for future goodwill between them and the Diamondbacks. Let’s just say that I hope the Nats are never in a situation where they are looking for Kenny Williams to help them because I think that Williams is rather frustrated with Rizzo.

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by souldrummer on Aug 1, 2025 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions

I'm more inclined to chalk it up to a misunderstanding

between having a deal in place and just discussing the parameters of a deal. I can’t believe the Nats would intentionally mislead another team… there was nothing to gain here for them.

OTOH, Rizzo really blundered his way through this by waiting until the deadline was upon him to approach Dunn about an extension. Good GMs/FOs know the direction they want to go beforehand. You don’t sit on your hands until the deadline, talk to other teams about what you want for a guy and then a day before the deadline decide you want to keep him and try to rush an extension. if you wanted to keep him figure out whether you can sign him or not well before the deadline. You don’t leave stuff like this to chance - and we know for a fact they had ZERO dialogue with Dunn or his agent about staying before this entire fiasco. So Rizzo certainly deserves criticism for how he handled this entire situation, and if they ever lose Dunn to free agency and end up taking two comp picks he should really take flak for it. There are worse things than having two extra early picks in this draft, but they could have definitely bested that return and had their pick of guys. Dunn could easily have been positioned as the best player at this trade deadline (he kind of was anyway). Virtually every team in playoff contention was looking for a player like Dunn. The price was going to be very high.

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by alskor on Aug 1, 2025 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions

+1

Really well said

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by Marinerfanjake on Aug 2, 2025 1:01 AM EDT up reply actions

I wonder

The market for good pitching was a buyer’s market (based on results at least) and I wonder what teams were willing to give up for Dunn. He also doesn’t seem to have the greatest rep around the league — I doubt that Ricciardi was the only one disparaging him, just the only one to say it out loud — and I’ve heard from a couple of folks who work for the Reds in different capacities (PR, ticketing) that he was a total jerk and not a team player. The same could be said of a lot of guys, and attitude isn’t the chief reason you trade for him, but it doesn’t help. Hasn’t he also made it clear that he doesn’t want to DH at this point in his career? Not exactly what an A.L. suitor wants to hear.

by blackoutyears on Aug 2, 2025 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions

All fair points...

I still think the return would have been pretty damn good, though.

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by alskor on Aug 2, 2025 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions

Perhaps

but we have to take Rizz at his word that he wasn’t bowled over, right? The best analysis I saw on this might have been in the WaPo, where they look at what Dunn is owed for the remainder of the year (for a team going nowhere) plus the hypothetical slot bonuses for the two picks he’d yield in next year’s draft.

It’s hard to debate these things without knowing exactly what Rizzo thinks is fair value. Is he looking for a deal akin to Lee to TEX, with a young impact player as as the centerpiece? No such centerpiece but a good variety of prospects? More established major league talent? And even considering the raging debate over Wilson Ramos, if Matt Capps gets you a likely every day catcher with decent power potential, Dunn should get you significantly more, right? In the White Sox case, it doesn’t help that they traded what was imo their best bargaining chip (Hudson) to get a guy (Jackson) who apparently was an inadequate centerpiece. I’m not sure that Williams really had a shot unless he was willing to think about Beckham and Hudson. That seems to high a price, so maybe the real takeaway here is that there was never a realistic basis for a trade between these two organizations?

Funny how we haven’t heard details of all the other fantastic offers Rizzo turned down. How many real offers were there, and how good were they in actuality?

by blackoutyears on Aug 3, 2025 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions