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Dewey Finn VS King Billy Royal: Ranking the Outfielders

Dewey Finn and King Billy Royal have decided to rank the best players at each position in the minor leagues.  However, after spending days trying to come to a consensus, both men agreed that this attempt was futile.  Therefore, King Billy Royal and Dewey Finn have decided to go head to head and let the community decide who has chosen the better players at each position.  The main purpose of these lists is to generate discussion (similar to the crystal balls) so please keep the comments civil. Today we will examine the top outfield prospects.

 The following are some important notes regarding the criteria we used to determine who is eligible:

*Current prospects at the Major League level were not taken into consideration.

*Rankings on the assumption that the player will remain at their current position long-term.

*Rankings done according to the position the player is currently playing in the minor leagues, and not necessarily the projected future position (i.e. Montero at catcher instead of first).

*Some of the prospects have been re-evaluated since the release of the DF & KBR Top 25 list.

*2009 Draftees are not eligible for the lists.

King Billy Royal:

  1. Jason Heyward (ATL) - Early favourite for the 2010 NL Rookie of the Year.
  2. Michael Stanton (FLA) - Crazy power and athletic ability reminds me of a young Dave Winfield.
  3. Desmond Jennings (TAM) - Potential five-tool stud will be turning heads in Tampa by late 2010.  Imagine what an outfield of Upton, Jennings, and Crawford will do to catchers!!!
  4. Dominic Brown (PHI) - The ultimate tools player has handled the promotion to AA with relative ease.
  5. Ryan Westmoreland (BOS) - Probably an aggressive ranking but I believe that he will be a top 5 prospect by this time next year.  He has the potential to put up Grady Sizemore type numbers.
  6. Michael Taylor (PHI) - Great role model who combines plate discipline with athleticism.
  7. Austin Jackson (NYY) - His stats don't match his skills.  Consistently produces at every level even though he remains amongst the youngest in his league.
  8. Matt Laporta (CLE) - Not much with the glove but he has a big time power bat that will be in the middle of Cleveland's lineup by opening day 2010.
  9. Ben Revere (MIN) - Batting average machine is one of the fastest players in the baseball. 
  10. Thomas Neal (SFG) - Relative unknown before the season, opposing pitchers are now aware of this offensive force.

Dewey Finn:

  1. Mike Stanton (FLA) - Perennial contender for HR titles and All-Star games.
  2. Jason Heyward (ATL) - Excellent all-round player that can do a little of everything.
  3. Desmond Jennings (TAM) - Gifted 5-tool athlete should fill up the stat sheets.
  4. Thomas Neal (SFG) - Will hit for a high average, a lot of HRs, and drive in a ton of runs.
  5. Michael Taylor (PHI) - Will soon become the Phillies' biggest threat in their lineup.
  6. Jaff Decker (SD) - Advanced understanding of the strike zone, will hit for avg & power.
  7. Grant Desme (OAK) - Mike Cameron clone, but with the potential for a better average.
  8. Austin Jackson (NYY) - Beautiful swing will generate more power than currently shown.
  9. Ryan Westmoreland (BOS) - Displaying all 5 tools, larger sample moves him higher.
  10. Jose Tabata (PIT) - Quick wrists and amazing hand-eye coordination = batting champ.

 

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Ackley has got to be here somewhere

and Laporta is in the Majors.

also……“Michael Taylor (PHI) - Will soon become the Phillies’ biggest threat in their lineup.” ……seriously? that’s kind of absurd man. Utley? Howard? even Ibanez?

baseball rules.

by doublestix on Aug 25, 2025 1:15 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

You are right on Laporta

However, when we first began this project he was not recalled yet. That is why he is on my list.

In regards to Ackley he is not eligible as we are not selecting anyone taken in the 2009 draft.

"When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are all in confederacy against him."
-Jonathan Swift

by King Billy Royal on Aug 25, 2025 1:22 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

fair enough...

probably should add that 2009 draftees are not eligible in the criteria. would clear that up.

baseball rules.

by doublestix on Aug 25, 2025 1:43 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good idea

I will edit the post.

"When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are all in confederacy against him."
-Jonathan Swift

by King Billy Royal on Aug 25, 2025 1:45 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I did not consider recent draftees

Also, keep in mind that Utley, Howard, Ibanez will be in their mid 30s soon. It is not unrealistic to believe that Michael Taylor will be the biggest impact bat in the Phillies lineup in 2-3 years. The kid can do it all.

Dewey Finn = Dylan McKay, King Billy Royal = Zack Morris, RedSoxFaithful = Millhouse Van Houten, Paul Thomas = Steve Urkel, Galt = Screech Powers, Bravesin07 = Richard Stabone, Hero66 = Beavis, Slurve = Phoebe Buffay

by Dewey Finn on Aug 25, 2025 1:45 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i actually like Taylor a ton!

maybe like in five years. but i think we are getting ahead of ourselves to think he’ll be better than Utley or Howard so soon.

baseball rules.

by doublestix on Aug 25, 2025 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was torn between Tabata and Brown

But I chose Tabata because I think he is the safer pick and the better pure hitter of the two.

Dewey Finn = Dylan McKay, King Billy Royal = Zack Morris, RedSoxFaithful = Millhouse Van Houten, Paul Thomas = Steve Urkel, Galt = Screech Powers, Bravesin07 = Richard Stabone, Hero66 = Beavis, Slurve = Phoebe Buffay

by Dewey Finn on Aug 25, 2025 1:47 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL

you are trying to make contraversy again!!!!

by matthewmafa on Aug 25, 2025 1:51 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

not at all bro

http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=LF&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=467798

Check out Tabata’s stats. He has shown the ability to hit at every level. The only think lacking right now is power, but I think he can eventually put out 15-20 bombs, with a .300+ avg and 20+ SBs.

He has performed very well despite his young age. I really believe he is underrated now.

Dewey Finn = Dylan McKay, King Billy Royal = Zack Morris, RedSoxFaithful = Millhouse Van Houten, Paul Thomas = Steve Urkel, Galt = Screech Powers, Bravesin07 = Richard Stabone, Hero66 = Beavis, Slurve = Phoebe Buffay

by Dewey Finn on Aug 25, 2025 1:54 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would also like to add that...

Tabata’s strong ability to make contact and low strikeout rates are very impressive.

He’s in AAA and just turned 21. A very mature hitter.

Dewey Finn = Dylan McKay, King Billy Royal = Zack Morris, RedSoxFaithful = Millhouse Van Houten, Paul Thomas = Steve Urkel, Galt = Screech Powers, Bravesin07 = Richard Stabone, Hero66 = Beavis, Slurve = Phoebe Buffay

by Dewey Finn on Aug 25, 2025 2:01 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

aside from Heyward. i see no other safer pick than D Brown.

also, posting this again, because apparently it can’t be posted enough:
DaveH (Savannah GA): Is Domonic Brown almost up to the level of Heyward and Stanton? Heyward’s game appears to be pretty fireproof, Stanton still has SO/contact issues, is there any area that Brown appears to need to improve greatly? … because I struggle to find any dirt on him

J.J. Cooper: That’s a good way to put it. Brown is at least in the discussion with Heyward and Stanton because there really isn’t any huge flaw to his game. He can hit, now he’s showing he can hit for power, he can run well for a big man and he’s an excellent right fielder. Add it all up and you’re talking about a franchise cornerstone. I’d say he’s a safer bet than Stanton, although I’d still rank it Heyward, Stanton, Brown right now because of Stanton’s ceiling.

Brown > > > Jennings, Neal, Desme, Westmoreland, Tabata, Taylor, Jackson, Decker.

by daveh33 on Aug 25, 2025 2:06 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

odd

the jj cooper part should be italicized as well.

thats from the aug 21st BA chat, in case anyone was wondering

by daveh33 on Aug 25, 2025 2:07 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

this is what Ben Badler said in an earlier BA chat. [the week before i believe]

I just don’t see what’s not to like about Brown. He’s got five tools that mostly rate as 60s or 70s, either now or in the future, with advanced pitch recognition, and he’s performed well this year. I like Taylor too, but Brown just looks like a high upside talent with lower risk involved than you normally get with five-tool players.

by daveh33 on Aug 25, 2025 2:11 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i hear he’s also an 80 in the baby-stealing scouting scale

by gorilla_baller on Aug 25, 2025 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Also

An 80 in the “marrying women literally twice his age” category.

by guru4u on Aug 25, 2025 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

tabata lacking power

truly one of the greatest understatements i have ever heard. so do jason kendall and david eckstein.

by richieabernathy on Aug 25, 2025 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

unlike Kendall and Eckstein

Tabata does have the potential for 15+ homers. He’s gonna get stronger as he gets older.

Dewey Finn = Dylan McKay, King Billy Royal = Zack Morris, RedSoxFaithful = Millhouse Van Houten, Paul Thomas = Steve Urkel, Galt = Screech Powers, Bravesin07 = Richard Stabone, Hero66 = Beavis, Slurve = Phoebe Buffay

by Dewey Finn on Aug 25, 2025 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

tabata

is listed at 5’11", 215 lbs on milb.com, so how much more physical strength does he have to develop? or what are you basing your theory on?

by richieabernathy on Aug 25, 2025 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

reducing the baby fat and increasing the muscle...

will lead to a more powerful stroke I think.

Dewey Finn = Dylan McKay, King Billy Royal = Zack Morris, RedSoxFaithful = Millhouse Van Houten, Paul Thomas = Steve Urkel, Galt = Screech Powers, Bravesin07 = Richard Stabone, Hero66 = Beavis, Slurve = Phoebe Buffay

by Dewey Finn on Aug 25, 2025 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

how does getting in shape

change the flight path of a person’s swing?

by richieabernathy on Aug 25, 2025 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I just figured

As he got stronger, he’d hit the ball harder, and further.

He’s got a fantastic swing.

Dewey Finn = Dylan McKay, King Billy Royal = Zack Morris, RedSoxFaithful = Millhouse Van Houten, Paul Thomas = Steve Urkel, Galt = Screech Powers, Bravesin07 = Richard Stabone, Hero66 = Beavis, Slurve = Phoebe Buffay

by Dewey Finn on Aug 25, 2025 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

For a "fantastic swing"

he generates very little power. Maybe its not as fantastic as you thought…

Im not a believer.

by alskor on Aug 25, 2025 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

but

it is a singles swing. it is a nice swing, equipped for line drives and uniquely high contact rate, but no loft and no power.

by richieabernathy on Aug 25, 2025 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sounds very Ryan Sweeney to me

Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving

by PaulThomas on Aug 25, 2025 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sweeney hits line drives?

Must be few and far between.

"Chicks dig the long ball, although fat chicks will settle for warning track power" - Nick Diamond

by hero66 on Aug 25, 2025 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

the ever famous

“he’ll develop power” it has been the undoing of thousand’s of prospects for dozens of years…like they said, where is he going to put the extra physical build? in his gut?

by IHateMitchMustain on Aug 26, 2025 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Also unlike Kendall and Eckstein

Tabata doesn’t play a premium defensive position. Try getting away with that 15 homer projection in a corner OF slot rather than at C or 2B. He may be fighting Stephen Pearce for PT in a year if Clement sticks and Pearce is for real this time.

by blackoutyears on Aug 26, 2025 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh

And Tabata/Desme on the list over Brown is the reason Gnarls Barkley wrote Crazy. Points for including (the still underrated) Jaff Decker.

I take it you both included only players who are currently OFs? Even under that assumption, a dark horse pick for me might be Todd Frazier, who’s playing some INF but also some LF this year.

by blackoutyears on Aug 26, 2025 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

KBR, are you counting Fernando Martinez as on the MLB roster because he's on the DL?

I didn’t expect him on Dewey’s list, I know how he feels about Fernando, lol.

Also, call me a Yankee hater if you want, but I don’t buy Austin Jackson at all. A .390 BABIP and .766 OPS aren’t exactly rates that look friendly together. 30 SB speed is nice, and you have to love the percentage this year, but he has very little power. His biggest strengths seem to be defense and lack of a glaring platoon split. I see him as a future upgrade over Melky Cabrera, but not by a whole lot. His 2.2% HR/BIA is pretty miserable, as is his 22.6 K%, especially considering a pedestrian 7.9 BB%. What he does have is a floor, given his athleticism and ability to play CF, but its hard to imagine any of those rates playing well at the MLB level unless one of them spikes in the positive sometime soon.

Then again, who knows what his power might look like at New Coors.

"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet

What a fool I was to defy him"

-HST

by Meddler on Aug 25, 2025 1:50 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Correct

Fernando Martinez is on an MLB roster due to his DL spot.

"When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are all in confederacy against him."
-Jonathan Swift

by King Billy Royal on Aug 25, 2025 1:58 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Out of curiousity

Where would you put him if he were in the minors?

"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet

What a fool I was to defy him"

-HST

by Meddler on Aug 25, 2025 2:05 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd slide him in 6th

My mancrush on Westmoreland prevented him from being 5th.

"When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are all in confederacy against him."
-Jonathan Swift

by King Billy Royal on Aug 25, 2025 2:27 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fair enough

So long as he’d be ahead of A-Jax ;)

"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet

What a fool I was to defy him"

-HST

by Meddler on Aug 25, 2025 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

for me this was a close list, the deciding point was who KBR and Dewey picked as their no.1 OF. i like how KBR included Brown, but thought he overrated Westmoreland and made a mistake by not included Decker. For Dewey i was surprised to not see Brown.

I voted for KBR b/c i really don’t see how Stanton can be rated above Heyward. Heyward isn’t just an “Excellent all-round player that can do a little of everything.” he’s an excellent all-round player that can do a lot of everything. while so far all stanton has shown he can do is hit home runs, and his high k’s, low ba is looking a lot like adam dunn.

by bk11 on Aug 25, 2025 2:12 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Heyward

I keep on hearing how he is a five-tool player but the one overrated part I see in his game is his base stealing. I’ve looked at his numbers this year and 8 steals doesn’t really shout stolen base threat to me. Am I missing something and this is an example of ‘scouting over stats’? I would appreciate the input of anyone who has a better handle on his running potential.

"When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are all in confederacy against him."
-Jonathan Swift

by King Billy Royal on Aug 25, 2025 2:37 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

As a Braves fan I’m thinking his speed is more along the lines of “first to third” rather than stealing bases. I’ve never seen the big SB potential, but I have see smart baserunning and good overall speed.

by bravesfan91 on Aug 25, 2025 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He has excellent speed for someone who is likely 6’6" (regardless of what he lists)… They pick their spots to run him though. They had him do a double steal and he stole home this year though.

Q: If on-base pct is so important then why don't they put it on the scoreboard? -Failcoeur

A: Because the Braves don't want to show their fans how bad you suck.

by timmy3 on Aug 25, 2025 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

dewy finn

you would really like to have austin jackson over Dominic Brown??

by matthewmafa on Aug 25, 2025 2:14 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Of course not.

But controversy creates discussion, even if it’s not intelligent discussion.

by PissedMick on Aug 25, 2025 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've reconsidered.

Revised list below.

Dewey Finn = Dylan McKay, King Billy Royal = Zack Morris, RedSoxFaithful = Millhouse Van Houten, Paul Thomas = Steve Urkel, Galt = Screech Powers, Bravesin07 = Richard Stabone, Hero66 = Beavis, Slurve = Phoebe Buffay

by Dewey Finn on Aug 25, 2025 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i think this list should be divided into 2 lists

One for Center Fielders and one for corner outfielders…

by matthewmafa on Aug 25, 2025 2:15 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Hmmmm

I like this idea. Perhaps we will revisit it when we are done all the positions.

"When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are all in confederacy against him."
-Jonathan Swift

by King Billy Royal on Aug 25, 2025 2:28 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

#1

I read up until #1 and then voted for KBR. All of the other position rankings between you guys were close, but I don’t think this one is really close. I think DF missed the call on #1, missed D Brown, and overrated both Jackson and Tabata. Of course, this is just my opinion, and my opinion doesn’t matter :-)

by rmarx on Aug 25, 2025 9:45 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Still not sure how to vote on this one

Just to echo the comment above, I would have preferred to see say Top 5 CF and Top 10 COF lists. A top 10 for 3 starting spots just doesn’t seem like enough to me, a top 15 would have been ok, and would still be interesting to see the next from both KBR and Dewey. On to the lists….

This is probably the first time I read KBR’s list and said to myself “If Dewey’s list doesn’t take a wrong turn somewhere, I’m absolutely voting for him.” The top 4 in KBR’s list is fine with me, I think Brown and Jennings are kind of interchangeable at this point so I could buy them in any combination of 3/4. Number 5 is where things start to go off the rails a bit for me. I like Westmoreland. I like him a lot. I don’t think I can put him ahead of Michael Taylor at this point though. Yeah, I know Taylor is 4 years older and Westmoreland has huge upside, but Taylor destroyed AA and is hitting well in AAA.
While I don’t buy into VD’s assertion that Taylor could be the best hitter in baseball, I do think he’s going to be a very, very good hitter. He’s proven he can hit advanced pitching, has big time power, and controls the zone well. I’d flip those two, and while it’s only one spot, I think it’s a pretty important difference.

I can’t really see Austin Jackson in the top 10 of all outfielders. He’s been young for league the last two years, but not so drastically that you can give him the FMart pass for ARL. The guy hasn’t hit that well, he doesn’t show much power and he K’s a fair amount. If LaPorta counts for this(and I’ll say I’m not totally sure how you guys determined eligibility, but would love to know) there is no way he can be behind Jackson, and I’d strongly consider slotting him above Westmoreland too. Revere isn’t a guy I’m overly excited about, he doesn’t belong in the top 10 IMO either. Neal is an interesting guy I’ll admit, one that I might be underrating a bit, but I want to see him hit well outside of the Cal League before I consider him this high. I could buy him in the top 15 maybe, but it would be those last couple of spots. So what guys would I rather see on this list? Well, again since I don’t know how eligibility was determined I don’t know if he’d count, but I’d have Josh Reddick on there is eligible, right in the LaPorta/Westmoreland range-I could see ranking any of the three in any order there. Nick Weglarz should be on there too, excellent discipline, big power potential. The raw number don’t look good, but I think we’ve covered his low BABIP enough here in various posts to consider that done. The other guy that I think should be on here is a glaring omission from KBR’s list in my opinion, Jaff Decker. His exclusion was probably the biggest problem for me with KBR’s list, and why I figured if Dewey didn’t throw a crazy name/ranking at me, my vote was his.

Then I read Dewey’s list. On first glance, I didn’t catch Stanton over Heyward. I guess it’s like that test where if all the letters are there you can read a word even if it’s misspelled. The K’s are too much for me to put Stanton over Heyward, but if Stanton can cut those down….I can see someone reversing the order of the two. Jennings is fine where he’s at. Then in Dom Brown’s spot sits Thomas Neal, big problem for me, as explained above. There is Taylor and Decker, both in good spots as far as I’m concerned, but I’d still have Brown above them. Here is Grant Desme at #7….as an A’s fan I’d love to buy that, but like with Neal, let me see it at AA before I buy this high. Jackson has been discussed, Westmoreland too(I can see him anywhere from 6-10 honestly). Tabata…..that’s an interesting one. He’s only been at AAA for a short time, so SSS and all, but he’s very young for the level(turned 21 less than 2 weeks ago). He doesn’t walk a ton, but he doesn’t strikeout much either. He seems like he can mantain a fairly high average, and he’s shown a little more pop since moving to AAA. He wouldn’t have been my choice to make this list, but I can at least buy into the idea that he could be ready next year to do what FMart did this year.

So I’m left with both guys leaving off a different player I feel absolutely belongs(Decker for KBR, Brown for Dewey). They both put on Jackson who I don’t think belongs at all. KBR has the top 2 in my preferred order, but it’s not impossible to see where Dewey is coming from. Dewey has Taylor correct in my mind, KBR has one spot off, but it’s a big difference to me in this case. Both have a different player on the list I don’t think belongs(Revere for KBR, Desme for Dewey). On the 3B list, Dewey forgot Wallace and later posted he totally spaced it. Had he posted that before I voted there, I would have gone with Dewey’s list. So I’m giving Dewey a chance here before I vote, did you forget LaPorta was eligible for the list and did you forget Dom Brown altogether? If both were forgotten, it’s Dewey’s list for me. If Brown was forgotten, I probably still go with Dewey. So let me know man, so I can cast an accurate vote.

I asked it above in this longer than anticipated post, but can you guys let us know how you determined eligibility here. Mostly because Reddick is a big miss for both of you in my book if he was eligible.

RIP Nick Adenhart

by gatling on Aug 25, 2025 10:00 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Some replies

First off, regarding how we determined eligibility, it wasn’t an in depth process. We just went with guys who were in the minor leagues (at the time of the lists being created), who were still under the at bat limit and likely to remain there for the remainder of the season. Thus, we figured Maybin wouldn’t be eligible but Laporta would. Looking back I wish I could remove Laporta from my list, but really this is just to generate a good discussion so no big deal.

Personally, I like Taylor a lot but I LOVE Westmoreland. Sometimes you have to trust your eyes and go with your gut. That is what I am doing in this situation. In regards to Revere, I think people are really underrating his potential. This guy will be the next Kenny Lofton and that is a very valuable baseball player. Leadoff hitters like Revere don’t come around every day.

I know everyone loves Jaff Decker but I don’t buy it. I have seen this guy and I think he is going to be exposed as he moves up the moves up the minors. I love his plate discipline but this guy is a human air conditioner at the plate. His contact rates really has me concerned, especially when you consider that he is not the most athletically gifted player.

"When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are all in confederacy against him."
-Jonathan Swift

by King Billy Royal on Aug 25, 2025 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You know who Decker reminds me of??

Travis Snider.

Built like a fire hydrant. Line drive hitter that just crushes the ball when he makes contact. Has some serious contact concerns, but also knows how to take a walk. Major defensive concerns. Strong scouting reports praising the hitting ability.

What I don’t get here is why Snider got tons of love from the scouting community, but the feelings on Decker have been good but not great. Am I missing something, or is it just the draft spot that keeps the scouts from drooling every time Decker’s name is mentioned?

by guru4u on Aug 25, 2025 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Age

I think it is because Snider was a 20 year old who was showing he could hit MLB pitching. Decker, while doing very well, is a 19 year old vs Low A pitching.

"When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are all in confederacy against him."
-Jonathan Swift

by King Billy Royal on Aug 25, 2025 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Both in MWL at age 19

Snider had a 25 point or so advantage in SLG, Decker has almost 70 points of OBP on Snider, and 48 fewer K’s in 30 some odd fewer PA’s. Snider was pretty highly regarded going into last year if I remember right…just don’t see a huge difference in their age 19 seasons.

RIP Nick Adenhart

by gatling on Aug 25, 2025 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly

You look at the hype surrounding Snider after his age 19 season in the MWL compared to Decker right now, and there is a serious perception difference. Should there be?

by guru4u on Aug 25, 2025 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Eligibility

So is it one set date you’re using? Or say you start the 2B list today, is it just guys under the AB limit and in the minors as of today? Kind of a rolling eligibility?

On Revere, I can see Lofton as a best case scenario, but Lofton showed more power and in his peak walked more than twice as much as Revere. There was a post here recently talking about Revere vs. Michael Brantley. I don’t see a huge difference between them, at least not enough to put Revere top 10.

RIP Nick Adenhart

by gatling on Aug 25, 2025 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It isn't one hard date

Dewey sent me his original list around August 15. I have tried to use the same eligibility that he was working with, at that date, but sometimes I make an error and may include someone I shouldn’t have.

"When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are all in confederacy against him."
-Jonathan Swift

by King Billy Royal on Aug 25, 2025 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cool

good to know.

RIP Nick Adenhart

by gatling on Aug 25, 2025 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybin

interesting. If Maybin and Snider were eligible, where would they be in your list?

by rmarx on Aug 25, 2025 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Replies

Snider would be third and Maybin would be fifth.

"When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are all in confederacy against him."
-Jonathan Swift

by King Billy Royal on Aug 25, 2025 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1 on Reddick

I really don’t see him missing, and he’s got a shot to be an awesome player all things considered.

He kind of reminds me of Jeff Francoeur a few years ago, except Reddick actually produces.

by mrkupe on Aug 25, 2025 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dewey

I like Stanton an awful lot, but you’ll have a hard time convincing me that his power alone rates him above Heyward’s overall package.

Stanton’s striking out at a 30% rate in Double A. Yes he is young, but Heyward’s Double A numbers are significantly better. Also, Heyward is doing well against both lefties and righties, whereas Stanton’s hitting a lowly .217 against lefties.

I agree scouts seem to drool over Stanton’s power, but Heyward’s combo of hitting for power/avg. makes him the number one prospect in baseball, let alone the number one OF.

Good debate.

by MightyMoose on Aug 25, 2025 11:34 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

LOL, I got the joke

Thanks for the early morning laugh. Greg Desme, a 23 year old playing in the Cal League at No. 7…. Stanton over Heyward and no DomBrown. Yeah, you pretty much just post this shiat for controversy. At least you get what you set out for, gotta hand it to you bro!

by FanBall on Aug 25, 2025 11:57 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

You are entitled to your opinion.

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by King Billy Royal on Aug 25, 2025 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You versus Dewey is like Globetrotters vs. Generals

Except with the Generals doing the zany things and firing the t-shirt canyon at people on purpose

by FanBall on Aug 25, 2025 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

T-Shirt Canyon?

I have never heard of anyone firing a ‘canyon’ at someone. ;)

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by King Billy Royal on Aug 25, 2025 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

haha

It’s like picking between a Hyundai Sonata or a Kia Sedona.

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by Frederick0220 on Aug 25, 2025 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

better than GM and Chrysler! LOL

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by Dewey Finn on Aug 25, 2025 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Stanton over Heyward isn't that crazy

Stanton’s power is pretty prodigious. Heyward’s awesome don’t get me wrong, but Stanton could be some kinda slugger.

"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet

What a fool I was to defy him"

-HST

by Meddler on Aug 25, 2025 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

so Stanton hits homeruns

if he hits .230-.240, he’s a 5-6 hitter, more a Pat Burrell type. I’d prefer the guy who might not hit as many but hits for a higher average, still hits a good amount of homers, and gets on base. Your typical 3-4 type.

I like Stanton, the power is there, but I’m not sold yet. I hope he proves me wrong.

by MightyMoose on Aug 25, 2025 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hear ya

But his raw power is not Pat Burrell-esque, that sells him way short. Its Ryan Howard-esque. Its an outlier in the grandest sense. 19.6% HR/BIA as a 18 year old in A-Ball is just sick. No one does that. He has enough power where he could support a .260+ average on hits not in play, and in his good BABIP years, he could be like, .300 / .400 / .600. The HR/BIA this year isn’t quite that crazy, but its still unbelievable for a guy who still hasn’t hit 20 and is in A-Ball. And his BB% is pretty nice too, enough so that even in the unlucky BABIP years he’ll probably get on base enough to hit in the top half of a batting order.

"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet

What a fool I was to defy him"

-HST

by Meddler on Aug 25, 2025 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe

But that’s if Stanton doesn’t get any better than he is now, at least in terms of the ability to hit for power. The last time he was in a really age appropriate league was last year, when he was 18 and in the SALLY league and he had that ridiculous 19% HR/BIA and a .320 ISO in a full season. Dunn’s MLB career high HR/BIA is 18.3% (MLB Career high HR/FB 25.7%, according to minorleaguesplits Stanton’s HR/FB was 27.2% last year). And when Dunn was 18, he was in Rookie Ball putting up a .136 ISO, and actually saw it decrease the next year in A-ball. Stanton’s ISO was still at .283 at 19 in the FSL. There’s only one current qualified player in the FSL with an ISO over .200.

Stanton’s just got this one skill already developed to prodigious levels. He, clearly still has some developing to do, probably more than Heyward overall. But even without polishing some of the other skills, Stanton looks like a guy who could be putting up 30%+ HR/FB seasons regularly. The only guy in the majors who does that is Ryan Howard. Not even that Ryan Howard’s the greatest hitter ever, but that’s essentially the kind of raw strength Stanton already seems to have going for him. If he can adjust to upper level pitching a bit and develop any kind of secondary skills, he’s a superstar. Maybe he can stay trim and agile, TotalZone likes his defense, at least for now. Or maybe he gets even stronger, and he can afford to gear his approach a bit more towards contact and not lose any power. Then he might be able to carry a .275-.280 average with a .300 BABIP, with a decent walk rate and .300 ISO that’d be .275 / .360 / .575.

Heyward looks like a potential superstar too, and its an interesting debate. All of his skills seem incredibly well developed, but he’s not like, a 99th percentile outlier in any one area the way Stanton is. He’ll need to develop all of his skills a bit more to become a superstar, but also probably has less total development left.

Its really apples an oranges, but if I had to choose, I’m going with Stanton. Even if his floor is about Adam Dunn, then he’s pretty likely to be at least a 3.0 WARish player, and could be 5.0-7.0 yearly, maybe even more. There aren’t many prospects who have both that kind of floor and that kind of upside, and while Heyward’s probably pretty close, I’m not sure he’s quite there.

"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet

What a fool I was to defy him"

-HST

by Meddler on Aug 25, 2025 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

wow

thanks for the great information!

by rmarx on Aug 26, 2025 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not really alike

Dunn had a 270:230 K:BB in 1483 minor league PAs. Stanton has a 306:117 in 372 fewer. It’s highly doubtful that Stanton will offset his strikeouts with high walk totals as Dunn has. But then, Dunn’s minor league numbers presaged a much more complete hitter than he became, so who knows?

by blackoutyears on Aug 26, 2025 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dunn also never flashed the kind of power he would eventually develop

Until he was quite a bit older. He’s a different type of monster, which is why I feel like Howard’s a more appropriate comp for Stanton. Howard got a much later start to his pro career, but he’s the only guy who comes to mind whose HR/FB rates are so out of this world, and he also doesn’t have Dunn’s pure patience and ability to draw walks nearly at will despite striking out so much.

"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet

What a fool I was to defy him"

-HST

by Meddler on Aug 26, 2025 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know about that

I’d say Dunn’s SLG (not to mention countign stats: hello 32 homers!) as a 21-year-old signified the power that was there. [Insert chestnut about power being the last thing to develop.] Dunn also never failed to post an OBP at least 100 points better than his batting average. He always drew walks and has continued to do so in the majors at an elite level. Where things fell apart was his contact rate and passive approach at the plate. His strikeouts are much higher and his batting average much lower than was expected. The power and walks are pretty much in line with his minor league performance imo.

by blackoutyears on Aug 26, 2025 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah but when he was 18

His ISO was .136, and it dropped down to about .100 when he was 19, and in much easier leagues than Stanton’s been in. It may be that Stanton doesn’t add any power, if he did it’d be kind of silly, but he’s way ahead of where Dunn was in that regard at this age.

"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet

What a fool I was to defy him"

-HST

by Meddler on Aug 26, 2025 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Like I said

Power develops later. The fact that Dunn exploded in AA/AAA at age 21 trumps your dwelling on his perfomance in lower leagues, and those performances are not necessarily prologue. And that said, 21 is still a young ARL for those levels. What’s confounding is not that his power was for real, but rather that he became an extreme three true outcomes guy when his minor league performance indicated that he’d be able to control his whiffs and maintain some semblance of a batting average.

I guess I’m confused about why you’re debating me. Neither of us thinks Dunn is a good comp for Stanton, I simply take exception to the assertion that Dunn’s power developed signficantly later. That term is generally reserved for people who start slugging in their mid-20s and on, not 21-year-olds. Dunn was clearly a power-hitting prospect by the time he hit the bigs, whether or not that was the case in Dayton.

by blackoutyears on Aug 27, 2025 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You're right, I'm being a bit pedantic

But my point isn’t so much about some sort of analysis of who Dunn is/was and how that changed, just stating that Stanton’s power is crazy advanced for such a young guy, and despite how mind boggling it is, there’s a good chance he’s going to add more. When I initially responded to your comment, I was adding to your point that they’re not really alike by pointing out that Dunn wasn’t such a freak of nature when he was a teenager, that he took a more “normal” development path to becoming such a big time slugger than it looks like Stanton will.

"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet

What a fool I was to defy him"

-HST

by Meddler on Aug 27, 2025 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Also

Don’t forget Dunn was 18 in Rookie ball and spent his whole age 19 season in LowA. By the time he was 18, Stanton was already in full season ball, and is now 19 in Double-A, so its tough to compare those kinds of rates. It is pretty safe to say Dunn has the better walk rate, but considering the ARL differences, the K% seems pretty similar.

"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet

What a fool I was to defy him"

-HST

by Meddler on Aug 26, 2025 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

he's so money

he doesn’t even know it.

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by Dewey Finn on Aug 25, 2025 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Neal

He’s another controversial guy. Honestly, I think KBR has him a little too low and Dewey has him a little too high. Neal has really crushed the ball this year, and there just comes a point where he no longer just came out of nowhere. He has performed this well all year long - this isn’t just a two month hot streak that has inflated his totals. He’d be something like #6/7 on my list. I’d rather have Heyward, Stanton, Jennings, Brown, and Taylor in my system for sure. The rest? I think you can make a solid argument that Neal is better than all of them.

by guru4u on Aug 25, 2025 11:58 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

my 10

1-Heyward
2-Stanton
3-D Brown
4-Jennings
5-LaPorta
6-Taylor
7-Decker
8-Neal
9-Westmoreland
10-Jackson

by daveh33 on Aug 25, 2025 1:14 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

forgot Weglarz

he’d be #9. jackson drops out

by daveh33 on Aug 25, 2025 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Corey Brown is still better than Grant Desme

although he’s had a rough go of it since returning from injury.

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by PaulThomas on Aug 25, 2025 1:37 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Do his k's worry you?

Brown seems like the ultimate high risk/high reward player. He could be a future 5 tool stud, or he could be a complete bust.

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by King Billy Royal on Aug 25, 2025 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sure do, but Desme's K's worry me even more

and Brown just has a stronger, more robust, larger and higher-level base of performance to fall back on. Both of them clearly have the tools required to be an MLB starter, so that’s a nonissue.

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by PaulThomas on Aug 25, 2025 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Brown reminds me of Greg Halman

He could be a guy I see getting exposed as he advances (yes, I know Halman got exposed in AA and Brown has held done well in AA).

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by King Billy Royal on Aug 25, 2025 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Desme has more of a chance of being Halman

Since he’s going to AA and Brown has, you know, done well there…

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by hero66 on Aug 26, 2025 12:43 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

There's a huge difference between the two of them...

I’ll give you a guess as to what it is… hint— it’s something the A’s are often known for…

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by PaulThomas on Aug 26, 2025 1:58 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Is Brown's plate discipline really that good?

I know it is better then Halman’s but it doesn’t look to be that good.

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by King Billy Royal on Aug 26, 2025 2:22 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

???

Baseball-Reference is your friend. And anyone who is even passingly familiar with Halman knows that he makes Billy Ashley look like Ty Cobb. They only way that Halman and Brown would be even remotely comparable is if you have no regard for K:BB ratios. Or contact rates.

Brown — 220:147 K:BB 1367 PA
Halman — 531:103 1720PA

And that’s considering Brown has an uncharacteristic 20:7 ratio since his promo to Double-A. Considering he’s raking ,and we’re talking about fewer than 100 ABs, he probably gets a pass.

by blackoutyears on Aug 26, 2025 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

As I stated

I know it is better then Halman’s but it doesn’t look to be that good.

I’m not sure why you are comparing Brown’s plate discipline to Halman’s when I already stated that it is better. My point was that Brown may have better plate discipline then Halman’s but it is still not very impessive when you take into context his k:bb ratio. Moreover, while Brown has been better then Halman in AA THIS season, Halman handled AA well in his first attempt in the league [there numbers are very similar]. My point is that with Brown’s k rate, I think he will be exposed as he advances. He doesn’t walk enough to make up for his inability to make contact. In regards to those who think the similarities between Brown and Halman are incorrect, take a look at how Halman and Brown did in their first taste of AA baseball.

Halman
Age: 20
BA: .277
OBP: .332
SLG: 481
At Bats: 235
Walks: 16
Strikeouts: 66
Homeruns: 10
Steals: 8
Caught Stealing: 6

Brown:
Age: 23
BA: .258
OBP: .339
SLG: 479
At Bats: 213
Walks: 22
Strikeouts: 59
Homeruns: 8
Steals: 5
Caught Stealing: 0

Both players are extremely toolsy guys who don’t walk a lot and both strikeout a lot. Both have great upsides but Halman did better in his first go in AA while by 3 years younger then Brown. Thus, I wouldn’t be suprised if Brown gets exposed as pitchers become familiar with him and hone in on his weeknesses.

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-Jonathan Swift

by King Billy Royal on Aug 26, 2025 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Brown has always had average-to-above-average walk rates

His career low including college is 8%.

Halman’s “patience” grade at the Cube is 16, which means roughly that 83% of players derive a higher percentage of their value from plate discipline than Halman does. Brown’s grade is 97… granted, that includes college stats when he had an insanely high walk rate, and maybe those should be discounted more than they are in that measure, but we’re clearly talking pretty dramatic differences in discipline here.

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It's just one of those things, one of those things
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by PaulThomas on Aug 26, 2025 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't quote me on this...

But hasn’t Desme peformed better than Brown in Low A and High A at the same age?

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by Dewey Finn on Aug 25, 2025 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You're a joke

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by Frederick0220 on Aug 25, 2025 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Is this called for?

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-Jonathan Swift

by King Billy Royal on Aug 25, 2025 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

why?

Corey Brown in 2008 (age 23 season)
Low A: .270/.357/.483/.840, 11.7 BB%, 27.4 K%, .213 ISOP (300 ABs)
High A: .260/.322/.551/.873, 7.9 BB%, 33.6 K%, .291 ISOP (196 ABs)

Grant Desme in 2009 (age 23 season)
Low A: .274/.333/.490/.823, 7.3 BB%, 28.1 K%, .216 ISOP (259 ABs)
High A: .299/.389/.630/1.019, 12.3 BB%, 25.8%, .331 ISOP (211 ABs)

Desme has increased his walks and reduced his Ks as he moved up,

Why would you say I am a joke? I dont understand.

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by Dewey Finn on Aug 26, 2025 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes

Desme spent his age 22 season in the sauna bath.

Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving

by PaulThomas on Aug 26, 2025 2:00 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dude FUCK ME

I thought you were talking about Domonic Brown, and I was like shut the fuck up.

I’m the joke right here.

Sorry Dewey.

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by Frederick0220 on Aug 26, 2025 12:27 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL

That makes more sense. At least you can admit your error and laugh at yourself. We all make stupid mistakes on this blog from time to time.

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by King Billy Royal on Aug 26, 2025 12:37 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Me too!

I wondered how the heck someone would think Halman and Dom Brown were even in the same solar system in terms of plate discipline.

by blackoutyears on Aug 26, 2025 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL

I just posted in regards to that. I wish I would have seen this and realized that you thought we were discussing Corey Brown. It would have saved me a lot of time!!! ;)

"When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are all in confederacy against him."
-Jonathan Swift

by King Billy Royal on Aug 26, 2025 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You mean Dom, right?

I thoguht you were discussing Dom when in fact it was Corey, right? Who the hell is on first?! lol

by blackoutyears on Aug 26, 2025 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

RE: Grant Desme

I figured I would take some heat for this, and I totally understand. At first glance, it seems this kid is old for the level and strikes out too much. However, keep in mind that ever since being drafted, he has lost a lot of development time due to various injuries. He is finally staying on the field long enough to prove why he was so highly touted coming out of college. The Ks are a concern, however, I believe he can make a reasonable improvement with more ABs. Once again, he has missed a lot of time. What I really like about Desme is that he has above average power, excellent speed, and plays good defense. I made the Cameron reference because I read it somewhere. Those of you that think Cameron is no big deal, you are wrong. A Mike Cameron type of player is extremely valuable in the majors. In my opinion, Desme can possibly be a lil better because I think he can settle into a .270-.280 hitter. Combine that with 25-30 HRs and SBs, along with really good defense, you have a damn good OF.

Anyways, I understand that some of will still think this is too agressive of a ranking.

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by Dewey Finn on Aug 25, 2025 2:15 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Imagine what an outfield of Upton, Jennings, and Crawford will do to catchers!!!

Or opposing hitters. Imagine that OF in Petco with Chris Young on the hill. He’d be awesome.

by rglass44 on Aug 25, 2025 2:21 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

OR

Imagine Chris Young facing these 3! Records would be set for the # of SBs in a game.

CYoung is truly atrocious with guys on base.

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by Dewey Finn on Aug 25, 2025 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

RE: Dominic Brown

Unlike the Brett Wallace exclusion, this was not a brain fart. I considered Brown up until the last minute, but ended up choosing Jose Tabata, who I am higher on than most.

After looking closely at D.Brown’s numbers doing some internet research, I realize he definitely should have made my list. I guess my love for the guys on the list blinded me.

If I had to do it again, I would probably remove Westmoreland (only because he still has a lot to prove), put Dominic Brown at #7, and everyone behind moves down 1.

1. Stanton
2. Heyward
3. Jennings
4. Neal
5. Taylor
6. Decker
7. Brown
8. Desme
9. Jackson
10. Tabata

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by Dewey Finn on Aug 25, 2025 2:26 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

now you need to start a new poll

most people didnt vote for you cause of the exclusion of brown…

by matthewmafa on Aug 25, 2025 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

no need

I’m good with the prospect discussion itself. Don’t really care for the votes, it was KBR’s idea.

I already know my opinions aren’t popular, haha.

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by Dewey Finn on Aug 25, 2025 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Can't say you're not a good sport about it ;)

Honestly, my biggest criticism is sometimes you seem to feel the need to re-balance the popular perceptions by taking the opposite extremes, and you wind up overrating guys who really are underrated because you get so caught up in proving a point. The points you’re typically trying to prove seem relevant, but often can get exaggerated. Really, in particular, I’m just thinking about your Thole ranking, since outside of guys who are hands down overall Top 10s and guys who are in the Mets system, I really can’t claim to be an expert. Though I think you kind of do the opposite with Fernando Martinez, who is easy to call overrated, but does have some pretty crazy potential based on excellent raw power and solid athleticism alone.

"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet

What a fool I was to defy him"

-HST

by Meddler on Aug 25, 2025 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd have voted for this list.

It was a close call, and while I’d still shift things around (I’d put Brown fourth, I’d probably remove Desme entirely), I love the inclusion of Decker enough to like this list the best.

by PhillyFriar on Aug 25, 2025 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Better...

Voted for KBR, but after review, its much closer. I’m not as high on Neal/Decker/Desme as Dewey, but the same goes for Westmoreland and Jackson on KBR’s.

1 - Heyward
2 - Stanton
3 - Jennings
4 - Brown
5 - Revere
6 - Taylor
7 - Jackson
8 - Neal
9 - Weglarz
10 - Decker

HM: Gindl (personal favorite), Westmoreland

Not sure about eligibility, but Reddick would slide in above Weglarz if eligible.

by thudean on Aug 25, 2025 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good point on Reddick

How is he not on any of these lists?

by alskor on Aug 25, 2025 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm guessing

he was in the bigs when they made the lists. I asked about him above and didn’t hear anything either way, but based on what KBR said about how they’re doing the eligibility Reddick might have been in the bigs at that point, and thus not eligible for the list they’re doing.

RIP Nick Adenhart

by gatling on Aug 25, 2025 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

We don't restart polls

It would give one of us the advantage of reading how the community feels about a prospect, and then adjusting the list accordingly. Besides, really the main purpose is to start a good discussion on young OFs, and this fanpost seems to be accomplishing our goal.

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-Jonathan Swift

by King Billy Royal on Aug 25, 2025 2:53 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

sorry dave

nothing personal, lol.

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by Dewey Finn on Aug 25, 2025 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i knows it

but it is odd how you constantly under-rate both LoMo and D Brown, my 2 best spects.

i am about ready to start our milb draft… haha, for some reason, i am very into the recent 09 draftees…

by daveh33 on Aug 25, 2025 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Decker vs Snider, FWIW

A comparison of their age 19 seasons in the MWL (Low A):

Deck vs Snid
.299 BA .313
.445 OBP .377
.513 SLG .525
.958 OPS .902
.411 wOBA .379
.211 ISOP .212
19.2 BB% 9.5
20.1 K% 25.0

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by Dewey Finn on Aug 25, 2025 3:35 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for proving my point

People were either way too high on Snider back then or way too low on Decker now.

Actually, I had no idea that Snider’s BB rate was that low. The other stats are pretty darn similar, with Decker coming out slightly ahead in almost every category.

by guru4u on Aug 25, 2025 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Numbers arent everything

The scouting reports on Snider were positively glowing. Decker is underrated, though, and this was instructive.

by alskor on Aug 25, 2025 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Out of curioisty

What’s the difference between this argument and the one that every person on the board - including John - made about Santana vs. Thole?

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by OldProspects on Aug 25, 2025 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

lets not do this again, haha

Thole and Santana are two different types of hitters. In contrast, Decker and Snider are similar.

We’ve already argued the Thole/Santana thing to death. I would like to leave the door closed on that.

Dewey Finn = Dylan McKay, King Billy Royal = Zack Morris, RedSoxFaithful = Millhouse Van Houten, Paul Thomas = Steve Urkel, Galt = Screech Powers, Bravesin07 = Richard Stabone, Hero66 = Beavis, Slurve = Phoebe Buffay

by Dewey Finn on Aug 25, 2025 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dom Brown vs. Michael Taylor

I really don’t want to hijack your post, but through the cracks it looks like some people really like Brown and others really like Taylor. What are everybody’s thoughts on each. Which has a better future? Higher ceiling? Higher floor?

by rmarx on Aug 25, 2025 3:50 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I love both.

Brown plays slightly better defense and is a little faster (although, Taylor is a better base stealer right now).

Both have similar plate discipline and excellent contact, while hitting for great power.

All they do is poke, and you could go either way with them.

They’re both in my top 20.

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by Frederick0220 on Aug 25, 2025 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

thanks

Because I honestly know nothing about either of them (and I live in Philly!)

by rmarx on Aug 25, 2025 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

All they do is poke, and you could go either way with them.

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by alskor on Aug 25, 2025 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

QFT

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by Frederick0220 on Aug 25, 2025 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thomas Neal, WOOHOO GUISE

A 22 year-old drafted four years ago, with no prior success or tools to speak of, hitting well for the first time in the Cal League.

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by Frederick0220 on Aug 25, 2025 4:08 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Neal has been hitting all season long...

He crossed the line from fluke to legit a long time ago.

Dewey Finn = Dylan McKay, King Billy Royal = Zack Morris, RedSoxFaithful = Millhouse Van Houten, Paul Thomas = Steve Urkel, Galt = Screech Powers, Bravesin07 = Richard Stabone, Hero66 = Beavis, Slurve = Phoebe Buffay

by Dewey Finn on Aug 25, 2025 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No ...

He’ll cross that line when he hits in a league that isn’t the Cally league. The #‘s he put up in 2008 were good, but not outstanding. The #’s he’s putting up now are tainted, the Cally league is a joke, his BaBIP is high, his power is inflated by the league. I didn’t even have to read your list past #4 to vote for the other guy … Neal could be a great hitter but if that BaBIP comes to earth and his power drops coming out of that hitters heaven of a league he’s a very “ho-hum” prospect.

by jayjay on Aug 26, 2025 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He's absolutely huge

His power may be inflated some but he’s definitely got some pop in his bat. I just went to the SJ Giants game last night and he hit an absolute bomb to center field for a two run homerun. He almost beat out an infield single too (he’s pretty quick) and he threw a laset into the infield on a double down the line. He’s definitely not just a plodding slugger.

by Brendan Scolari on Aug 27, 2025 7:02 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

thoughts on David Lough?

i might be a homer but i’d certainly consider taking him over a few of these guys. i really love him as a prospect.

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by doublestix on Aug 25, 2025 8:18 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

to be honest

I didnt give him any consideration.

Dewey Finn = Dylan McKay, King Billy Royal = Zack Morris, RedSoxFaithful = Millhouse Van Houten, Paul Thomas = Steve Urkel, Galt = Screech Powers, Bravesin07 = Richard Stabone, Hero66 = Beavis, Slurve = Phoebe Buffay

by Dewey Finn on Aug 25, 2025 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Improved stock

But, not that improved. He should be in the royals top 10, but he’s not overall top 10 OF by any means. If he does it again next year, get back to me.

by thudean on Aug 26, 2025 8:27 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

fair enough

i have him around 5 or 6 in the royals top 10 now.

with that said, there is a decent chance that he won’t even be eligible for prospect lists next year. the OF here is pretty weak. and i say that as an enormous mitch maier fan!!!

baseball rules.

by doublestix on Aug 26, 2025 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Eh

Off the top, who I think would be above him includes: Hosmer, Moustakas, Duffy, Melville, Crow (when signing), Dwyer, Myers, Lamb, Montgomery

Those who may be above him: Gutierrez, Bianchi, Wood

So, what … 9-13 range?

by thudean on Aug 26, 2025 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i openly admit to liking him a lot more than anyone else

hosmer, moustakas, crow, and montgomery are definitely above him. but after that you can jumble it around and get a respectable list.

to me Lough is an above average defensive CF who will hit around .300 with 15 or so bombs. he’s not without concerns, but if he didn’t i wouldn’t hesitate to rank him even higher.

just my opinion on him. i realize that it won’t be universally accepted one.

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by doublestix on Aug 26, 2025 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was a big fan before...

And still believe he has a good future, but he’s lost some shine.

I would probably have him ranked closer to 20-25 for OFs.

Dewey Finn = Dylan McKay, King Billy Royal = Zack Morris, RedSoxFaithful = Millhouse Van Houten, Paul Thomas = Steve Urkel, Galt = Screech Powers, Bravesin07 = Richard Stabone, Hero66 = Beavis, Slurve = Phoebe Buffay

by Dewey Finn on Aug 25, 2025 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know if heyward only contributes a little bit of everything

I think he really contributes a heck of a lot of most things. Also, Jennings is the next Matt Kemp

by Mets2k9 on Aug 25, 2025 9:43 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

not sure about the Kemp comp

Jennings walks more and strikes out less. Similar power/speed combo though.

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by Dewey Finn on Aug 25, 2025 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

matt kemp is a monster

he is nothing near matt kemp… less power and at 21 matt kemp was in the big leagues already

by matthewmafa on Aug 26, 2025 12:56 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

RE: Weglarz

I just don’t think he’s all that impressive to be honest. I don’t see him hitting for a high average, no speed, and below average defensively. He’s good decent power, but thats it.

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by Dewey Finn on Aug 25, 2025 10:29 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

How come Ruben Rivera didn't make the list?

He has a higher OPS than Thomas Neal, and he’s playing a premium position in CF.

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by Frederick0220 on Aug 25, 2025 11:44 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Not eligible

He isn’t in an MLB organization, he has surpassed his eligibility, and he is 35.

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by King Billy Royal on Aug 25, 2025 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why not?

A stupid question deserves a stupid answer!!! ;)

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by King Billy Royal on Aug 26, 2025 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

But, his ARL is perfectly acceptable for the Mexican League

May I ask why Daryl Strawberry was excluded as well?

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by Frederick0220 on Aug 26, 2025 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL

Sadly judging by Beane’s recent signings of finished veterans [see Nomar and Giambi], you may be seeing Strawberry and Rivera on your roster before long. ;)

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by King Billy Royal on Aug 26, 2025 12:36 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You think B.J. needs help finding hookers and blow in Tampa…?

by alskor on Aug 26, 2025 2:18 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was hoping he may show B.J. how to lead the league in unfulfilled potential.

After all, I am a Jays fan!!!! ;)

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by King Billy Royal on Aug 26, 2025 2:24 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Also

If he doesn’t want to help BJ find hookers and blow in Tampa, perhaps he could help me find them in Vegas!!!! ;)

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by King Billy Royal on Aug 26, 2025 2:24 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i do.

he needs his swagger back.

by daveh33 on Aug 26, 2025 4:16 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thomas Neal is a beast.

That is all.

Seriously though, I’ve been to two SJ Giants games this year where he was playing. Both times he hit home runs, and both were shots. Last night at the game he went 3-4 with a homer to center and the one out he made should have probably been a walk. Not only that but he’s actually pretty quick, especially for his size, and he’s got a very strong arm too. I’m really loving this guy.

by Brendan Scolari on Aug 27, 2025 6:59 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs


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