Thinking About Pablo Sandoval
Pablo Sandoval was signed by the Giants out of Venezuela in 2002. He spent 2003 in the Dominican Summer League, then moved to the Arizona Rookie League in 2004 and hit .266/.287/.373 in 46 games. Not great offensive production. Indeed, at this point Sandoval's defense was the thing that drew good reviews. I put him in the 2005 book and gave him a Grade C, noting the strong defensive reports but wondering about the bat.
Sandoval hit .330/.383/.425 for Salem-Keizer in the Northwest League in 2005. The Giants moved him to third base, where he showed a strong arm but needed a lot of polish charging balls and such. Scouts were impressed with the bat, and I liked his low strikeout rate (33 Ks in 294 at-bats), liking the bat enough that I gave him an aggressive B- in the 2006 book.
2006 was an odd year. He hit jjust .265/.309/.322 for Augusta in the Sally League, with significant slippage in his plate discipline and no power. He played first base and third base, but without showing enough offense for either position. I left him out of the 2007 book, but would rate him a Grade C prospect, looking like he might get lost in the shuffle, though he was still just 19.
He recovered some stock value in 2007, hitting .287/.312/.476 for San Jose in the Cal League and moving back to catcher. Arm strength remained an asset, but problems with footwork and polish were present, granted moving positions didn't help him gain consistency. His walk rate was quite low, just 16 walks in 401 at-bats, but the strikeouts weren't out of bounds at 52 and the better power production was notable. I gave him a Grade C in the book this year, writing that the bat was intriguing but that I wasn't sure where he would fit defensively.
Sandoval has been terrific this year: .359/.412/.597 in the California League, .337/.364/.549 in the Eastern League, .349/.366/.500 for the Giants. Given his age, I think this improvement is mostly for real, although I don't think the .349 average will be sustainable over a full season. But I think he can hit .280-.300, with at least moderate power. Defensively, he's spent time at first base, catcher, and third base for the Giants. The sample sizes are too small at each position for the defensive numbers to mean much, so I'm still unsure where he fits best in the long run. Obviously having a catcher who can hit like that is harder to find than a first baseman.
Question for you Giants fans or anyone who has seen Sandoval a lot: would it be better if he settled on one position, or is he best-used the way they are using him now? And if he did settle on one position, which should it be?
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I feel like the Giants would be better served keeping him at 3b. There is a considerable lack of 3b prospects in the system and with Posey coming along shortly not to mention the impending arrival of AnVil at 1b (maybe 2010?) moving Sandoval to third permanently would give the Giants another intriguing bat in the infield. Don’t get me wrong Anvil is less than a sure thing but that doesn’t change the value of Sandoval playing third.
If I may indulge in a little rosterbation the possible 2011 (perhaps even 2010) line up for the Giants has a lot of interesting players.
C- Posey
1b- Villalona
2b- Gillaspie (Sabean has already hinted at moving him here)
3b- Sandoval
ss- Burriss
LF- Lewis
CF- Rowand
RF- Shierholtz
and with a possible rotation of:
Lincecum
Cain
Sanchez
Bumgarner
Alderson
I give this a .001 percent chance of coming together all at the same time but still.
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by camwoody on Sep 10, 2025 12:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Sorry but.....
I know Giants fans hate to consider it but Zito isn’t going anywhere so he stays in that rotation. To think he has 5 years left on his deal is truly scary.
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by King Billy Royal on Sep 10, 2025 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
meh...
if he can at least pitch occasionally like he has recently, then he won’t be a horrible 5th starter. it’s not as bad when you consider that we make up for it by paying Tim nothing.
by boonitez on Sep 11, 2025 1:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But they won't be paying Tim nothing
His agent has already said he’s going to arbitration year to year. With the precedents that players like Ryan Howard are setting it seems reasonable that Tim Lincecum’s going to be getting $10mil+ arb awards as soon as he’s eligible. And I believe he’s a super two which means he’ll get there quickly.
Get the hell out the way Bengie, Pablito's hit the show!
by Roger on Sep 11, 2025 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm hoping
I’m hoping the Giants can sign Tim to a long-term deal, even though I realize that goes against what his agent said. Personally, I wanted the Giants to sign him long-term even before he got to the majors, much as the Rays did with Evan Longoria once he arrived this season. Would have saved them a fortune if they had worked it out.
by sharksrog on Sep 13, 2025 4:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
2011
In 2011 Timmy will be making a fortune. Combine that with Cain’s increasing salary and you can see why a team may not want to pay its number 5 starter 18 million. Hopefully Zito can turn it around (personally I have always been a huge fan) and return to an ERA around 4.00.
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by King Billy Royal on Sep 11, 2025 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
4.52
Barry’s ERA has been 4.52 over the past two and a half months or so, after sitting at 6.32 before he turned things around on June 25th. Incidentally, that was a year after Tim Lincecum had his most important start.
It’s easy to forget now, but after Tim struggled in June of last year, writers and fans were debating:
. Skip a start as Matt did the previous season and Barry Zito did this year.
. Pitch a little relief.
. Go back to Fresno.
I can’t imagine them sending him back to a place where his ERA had been 0.29, but I do believe that had he struggled in that last start he mad in June of last year, one of the three alternatives was likely.
Tim followed up that start against the Padres (one run in seven innings IIRC) with one of his best games, holding the the Diamondbacks to something like three hits and walking none or one while striking out a dozen in seven innings of shutout pitching.
Tim is an amazing 13-2 after a Giants loss this season, but with tonight’s win, he won’t be pitching after a loss tomorrow night.
Anyone NOT think he’s the front-runner for the Cy as Buster Olney stated tonight after Brandon Webb’s 20th win. By the way, I believe I saw that Brandon has four wins this season in games in which he gave up four or more runs, while Tim has none. Switch that around, and it is Tim who would have the 20 wins.
Tim has actually received VERY good run support from the weak-hitting Giants, as they have scored about a run and a half more per nine innings than with other pitchers on the mound, but six times he has left with a lead that was blown by the Giants’ bullpen.
by sharksrog on Sep 13, 2025 4:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really?
I mean Hampton was moved after a bad season
by dogdays on Sep 12, 2025 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Salary Pickup
And how much salary did the Rockies pick up on Hampton’s contract? The other difference is people thought that Hampton still might be good and was just putting up horrible numbers because he was in Coors Field. Zito is getting hammered in a pitchers park.
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by King Billy Royal on Sep 13, 2025 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Zito sucks
..but get it straight: whatever they call the field these days, it is a fair yard. Yes, it is death on HR, especially by LHB. However, baseball games, last I heard, were decided by runs scored, not home runs hit.
Its last three years of park factors are (from 2008 back): 1.03, 0.99, 0.99.
Zito sucks because he sucks, not because he sucks in a pitcher’s park. You want to see a pitcher’s park, go to San Diego.
by wcw on Sep 13, 2025 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I actually like the Giants, so keep that in mind when I say this
That roster stinks. If that’s the best the team can come up with as a position player group, I see no realistic hope for the team to contend soon. Even with all the big guns in the rotation. It’s pretty depressing when your best case scenario still has multiple known mediocrities in it.
The Giants need to rebuild for real, and they need to do it by moving Matt Cain for multiple impact hitting prospects.
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by PaulThomas on Sep 10, 2025 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Que?
Who are the known mediocrities? Rowand? I don’t see how a line up with that combination of speed and power stinks. I think what you are doing is undervaluing some of the guys who are already in the bigs and assuming that the youngsters aren’t going to develop.
On the Cain note; I like the Giants so keep that in mind when I say this: There is no way the Giants, right now, could get back for Cain what he is worth to them. He has ace potential and I just don’t see a lot of teams offering Weiters, Bruce, or Longoria type players in return. Maybe they will but I don’t see it. So, no they do not need to trade Matt Cain.
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by camwoody on Sep 10, 2025 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Come on...
Fred Lewis is scraping league-average in a season in which he has been amazingly lucky on balls in play. Emmanuel Burriss has approximately 2 extra base hits ever. Rowand is already looking mediocre and he’s on the wrong side of 30.
The second paragraph of this is just flat wrong. Is Matt Cain not similar in value to Dan Haren? Maybe more valuable? What about Erik Bedard? Hasn’t Prince Fielder been rumored to be in play for Cain?
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by PaulThomas on Sep 10, 2025 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I want more than Prince for Matt Cain
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by icanplaythird on Sep 10, 2025 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fred Lewis has a hurt foot and is struggling to stay in the lineup
And he’s batting 280 with some flashes of power. He still has potential to improve on that; he’s slammed a couple balls in a Bonds-esque way into the cove. He’s also fast as hell when his foot isn’t busted. Burriss is young and still developing. He sucked ass when he first got called up, but he’s learning to hit to the gaps better and better as he plays. His glove will get better with time as well. Rowand is actually exactly 30. He’s by no means old. And he’s been slumping catastrophically lately; he’s usually a lot better than that. It’s fair to expect he’ll be better next year. Matt Cain is also extremely good. Maybe he’s worth a Dan Haren, but trading him would be stupid. Unless we get an Evan Longoria, Matt LaPorta, Jay Bruce, etc. in return, which we won’t, trading him would be a dumb idea. You’re underrating a lot of these guys.
And what about that lineup is mediocre? I see 3 great prospects in Villalona, Posey, and Sandoval, 2 decent ones in Burriss and Schierholtz, and 2 established decent players in Lewis and Rowand. The only potentially crappy player I see is Gillaspie, and I think that’s just because he’ll be completely rushed and overmatched.
by boonitez on Sep 11, 2025 12:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’d say Gillaspie, Burriss, Rowand, Lewis, and Schierholtz are average to mediocre or have a best case scenarios of mediocrity. I’ll keep high hopes for Posey, Anvil, and Pablito, though.
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by Roger on Sep 11, 2025 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mediocrity, Cain, Pablito
Few of the Giants’ young players that are up right now have anything APPROACHING star potential, with the primary exception of maybe four of their pitchers (which is reallly nice). As has been pointed out, they DO have star potential in the low minors.
The first time I saw Matt Cain pitch was his major league debut, and I was panned by Giants fans when I said that he lack of fantastic swing-through stuff made me believe that he might be “only” a #2 instead of a #1. He’s kind of been between the two thus far, although he actually pitched VERY nicely after April 18th through about the first of this month. That’s about three-quarters of a season of fine consistency, although that consistency has fallen by the wayside this month.
I happen to LOVE Pablo. But no one has seemed to notice that he doesn’t hit southpaws. In his three stops this season, his OPS against right-handed pitchers has been between 300 and 500 OPS points better than against lefties. Right now I see his versatility as a plus, with first base probably being his best position now (and he’s surprisingly good there), and catcher perhaps being his best position ultimately.
Pablo’s bat naturally plays best at catcher, where I’m hoping he will ultimately share time with Buster Posey, with each player playing enough at other positions to save the legs. But IMO Pablo is going to have to re-tool his stroke from the right side (or bat solely from his natural left side, natural both for hitting and for throwing) in order to become an everyday player.
by sharksrog on Sep 13, 2025 4:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pablo is a natural lefty
..of course we noticed. His platoon split is real.
Given his age, he would seem to have a chance to fix things. MLB is probably not the place, though. I am surprised he came up.
by wcw on Sep 13, 2025 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Again, I ask
Was trading Dan Haren a “dumb idea”? You’d really have a hard time arguing that one.
The A’s certainly did not get Evan Longoria or Jay Bruce back for him. What they did get was a Brinks truckload of good-to-very-good players. Which is sort of what you need when you’ve got a crummy MLB team and not much depth. Ditto with the Orioles and Erik Bedard. Lots of depth, some very good pieces, but not a Grade A Stud. You going to argue they are now worse off for making that move?
The Giants are in exactly that situation now. Their lineup is filled with crap.
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by PaulThomas on Sep 11, 2025 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well I didn't say the Haren trade was dumb
But I think a Cain trade would be for two reasons. One, our GM isn’t Billy Beane. It’s Brian Sabean. We can’t heist some other team’s farm system like that. Two, Cain’s not even close to his peak value. He has ace potential that he still hasn’t fulfilled yet, and seeing as he’s 24, he still has plenty of time to get there. The A’s didn’t trade Haren in 06’ when he was just decent; they traded him affter 07’ when he had an almost Cy Young caliber season. Trading Cain now would not be selling high.
by boonitez on Sep 12, 2025 1:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, obviously Sabean can't be the one picking out the players
I mean, he’d probably want to deal Cain for Jimmy Rollins or something idiotic like that. I’m not sure the possibility of making a Haren-type deal has ever even crossed his rabbit brain.
The thing is, as long as the Giants are afflicted with him at the helm it doesn’t matter what the team does.
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by PaulThomas on Sep 12, 2025 2:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
nah
He’d probably want a set of bats. You severely overrate our GM.
by boonitez on Sep 13, 2025 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am just going to go through the guys and you can tell me why they won't be better than mediocre
C- Posey- you can’t be referring to the player that scouts project to hit .300 with 15-20hr and stellar d? Okay one down.
1b- Villalona- no, you wouldn’t call a possible 35-40hr guy mediocre. Two down.
2b- Gillaspie- haven’t scouts said he could be a .300 hitter and challenge for batting titles? Hmm…
3b- Sandoval- I just don’t see mediocrity here. Sorry.
SS- Burriss- Okay maybe I see it here. I will make the case for him though by saying that he is extremely fast and could play well in a table setter role. Not everyone can hit homers.
Lf- Lewis- 1st full year and the guy is batting .282 with 9hr 25doubles 11triples and 21sb. That isn’t league average. Oh and his BABIP couldn’t be affected by his speed. Never happens.
Cf- Rowand- Yeah he is probably mediocre. I will give you that one.
Rf- Shierholtz- Everybody says he can’t do this or he can’t do that or he is a AAAA player. It seems to me that he has had two excellent years in Fresno and until he fails I am going to believe that he can become a useful everyday player.
So let’s recap. We have 4 guys that have a chance to be impact players at the next level, three that are probably not impact guys but can be better than league average at their position, and one that is probably mediocre. I just don’t see how that lineup stinks. Granted there is a lot of room for those guys to fail before they make it to the big club but this is rosterbation, we work with best case scenarios.
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by camwoody on Sep 11, 2025 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gillaspie
I don’t know much about him. I was wondering who was saying he would challenge for batting titles? Any links would be appreciated.
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by King Billy Royal on Sep 11, 2025 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here you are.
http://www2.sportsnet.ca/baseball/mlb/players/Conor_Gillaspie/
http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/baseball/flb/outOfTheBox?page=ootb080907 (look at the right side of the page near the bottom)
There are more but I just don’t have the time to look them all up right now.
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by camwoody on Sep 11, 2025 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have formed the conclusion, based on looking at the guys who have it
that high BABIP has little to do with speed and much to do with line drive rate and the force with which a player hits the ball. (See the Chris Carter thread for more on this.) Fred Lewis has league-average line drive skills and sub-average power. I don’t see any reason why I should believe that his BABIP is any kind of legitimate skill.
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by PaulThomas on Sep 11, 2025 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It might be tied to his 40% caught-looking strikeout rate. That’s higher than almost anyone in the league, and it probably means he’s not putting borderline pitches into play for outs.
by Grant on Sep 12, 2025 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Might be
Or, he might be a lucksack who is going to regress to the mean.
I’m going with the latter theory. Sorry.
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by PaulThomas on Sep 13, 2025 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mediocre
The Giants have a handful of young players who could become stars or super stars (including Tim Lincecum, who is already there). But of the players you listed, I think only Posey and Villalona are likely to reach those categories. And unless pitchers pitch around AnVil because they fear him, I don’t think we’ll like his walk totals.
by sharksrog on Sep 13, 2025 4:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Noonan!
Nick Noonan is the future second basemen for the Giants. Don’t be surprised if Noonan starts 2009 in Double-A.
by Cainer on Sep 11, 2025 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Noonan got nicked this year
I was much higher on Nick Noonan — whose swing I really like — a year ago than I am now. His K/BB ratio took a real hit this summer. I think it would be far more appropriate that he open 2009 in San Jose than in AA.
I haven’t given up on Nick by any means, but I can see Conor Gillaspie as at least as good a second base prospect as Nick should Conor be moved to a position he is said to be athletic enough to play and for which his bat would be better suited.
by sharksrog on Sep 13, 2025 4:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pablo turned the corner this year offensively in San Jose and lit up the league before getting promoted. He spent time mostly at catcher this season with San Jose working with Manager Steve Decker on his defense and got work at first base about once a week. Ideally he’d be able to move back to 3rd base, his position early in his career. He’s getting better at catcher and I would like him to stick there, possibly rotating between first and catcher as he is doing now.
by henwo on Sep 10, 2025 2:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'd give Pablo the same chance
to stick at 3rd base as I’d give Chris Carter or Brett Wallace. He might be serviceable once in a while but he’s not exactly going to be better with age at 250lbs+.
by AthleticsReign on Sep 11, 2025 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ever actually seen him play?
he’s not bad at all. I think he could stick there if given the chance.
by boonitez on Sep 11, 2025 12:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pablo is soooooooo far above Chris Carter defensively that it’s not even funny. He’s got great instincts, quickness, and a cannon of an arm. He’s shown flashes of brilliance at every position so far, and he’s only going to get better.
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by delorean on Sep 11, 2025 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chris Carter
Chris’ statue imitations make me believe he might be best served by playing first base.
by sharksrog on Sep 13, 2025 4:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Giants biggest hole is at 3rd base and with Travis Ishikawa in the fold at 1st base (who should be playing everyday at 1st until further notice), Sandoval should warrant a good long look at 3rd while handling the backup duties at catcher until Posey arrives, which could be by the end of 2009 at the earliest. He is most valuable to the Giants at 3rd and catcher.
Also, I haven’t seen much discussion of his L/R splits, but it appears that Sandoval is much stronger against RHP than LHP. He still seems to hit for average, but the on base and power numbers aren’t that good. He’s a natural lefty, so that perhaps explains it.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Sep 10, 2025 2:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Bonds will stand alone...
…in a prison cell.
by royshowell on Sep 10, 2025 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No way!!!!! Never heard that one. Fucking hilarious. I gotta tell ya Bonds jokes never get old. Never! I mean it never.
Fuck face.
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by camwoody on Sep 10, 2025 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you’re a dumbfuck
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by nostocksjustbonds on Sep 10, 2025 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
fuck you
are you just pissy cause he has the record still?
by boonitez on Sep 11, 2025 1:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Have fun stretching in the prison yard, Barry...
…and lots of luck telling your big house pals to get lost when the come by for an interview.
by royshowell on Sep 11, 2025 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Career MiLB: .267/.320/.371 vs LHP , .324/.360/.490 vs RHP. Overall: .307/.349/.456.
I’d like to see him get a real shot at 3B…
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by Azantor on Sep 11, 2025 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have no problem
I have no problem with playing Travis Ishikawa at first base every day to help him grow, but even in the minors this season he didn’t hit southpaw pitching.
You’re the first person I’ve seen who has mentioned that Pablo is a MUCH better hitter from the left side. Fred Lewis, Nate Schierholtz and Emmanuel Burriss have shown they can hit southpaws, but Travis, Pablo, John Bowker and Eugenio Velez are MUCH better against righties.
by sharksrog on Sep 13, 2025 4:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sandoval has nothing on Velez
Sandoval has a 160-point OPS split for his minor-league career, as does Bowker. That’s not good, but when it comes to huge splits, neither has anything on Velez. Velez has a 300-point split.
The rest of these names have 100-point or smaller splits.
by wcw on Sep 13, 2025 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Leaning to the left
The Giants have greatly improved the caliber of their young players the past two and a half years. But position player-wise, they really lean to the left. The following are lefty hitters or switch hitters who hit better from the left side.
Catcher — Pablo Sandoval
First base — Travis Ishikawa
Second base — Eugenio Velez
Nick Noonan
Shortstop — Brandon Crawford
Third base — Conor Gillaspie
Outfield — Fred Lewis
Nate Schierholtz
John Bowker
Wendell Fairley
Roger Kieshnick
The Giants don’t play that far from Berkeley, and their future appears to lean to the left.
by sharksrog on Sep 15, 2025 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
sandoval is too big and slow to be at 3rd
by Bravesin07 on Sep 10, 2025 4:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
and you know this because you have watched him play third right?
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by camwoody on Sep 10, 2025 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah id have to say i’ve been pretty impressed by his defense so far at third; good, accurate arm, with decent range. it’s even more impressive because he really hasn’t played that position for the last 2-3 years.
by zeisenbe on Sep 10, 2025 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Slow but strong
Pablo’s unload time at third is ponderous, but he has a CANNON for an arm. And seeing him make a slick pivot to throw to second base for a force from his first base position in a game this week, I suspect that with practice, he’ll get rid of the ball a lot quicker from the hot corner. He may be taking extra time to ensure that his erratic arm there (but not behind the plate) is on target.
by sharksrog on Sep 13, 2025 4:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he isn’t that slow and actually kinda quick. He may be big and long term 3rd base probably won’t be his best position, but right now, he’s sufficiently fast to play 3rd.
Anyway, Bengie Molina, he’s not.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Sep 10, 2025 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
4.3
4.3 to first base from the left side. VERY good for such a large man.
by sharksrog on Sep 13, 2025 4:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pablo's long term position
Buster Posey may force Pablo off of catcher in time, but he has the ability to provide adequate defense at that position should he stay there.
by SBcaptain2 on Sep 10, 2025 4:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It would be best if he settled on one position, but that isn’t really an option right now with SF. In the short term, it would be best if he could stick at third, but it isn’t clear he can do that (bravesin07 is incorrect about why though; Sandoval isn’t slow, and is quite athletic, especially so, considering his size). Catcher would be the best position for him to play, as he shows some skill at the position, and stands a good chance at improving at aspects of the position in which he is substandard(he hasn’t been playing it very long).
However, Catcher probably wont’ work long term, at least with the Giants, since Posey is being fast-tracked. Villalona, though a few years away, might end up at either 1B or 3B (and yes, apparently the giants still consider him a 3B, but thought his bat would progress faster than his defense, and didn’t want kept back at a level due to defense: he may still end up at 3B; he still routinely takes grounders there).
I suspect they will keep shuttling him between the positions and have him settle at whatever position a prospect seems not to be working out at.
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by haverecords on Sep 10, 2025 4:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
+1
I was going to post, but this captures what I was going to say pretty well.
Another analyst book noted his athleticsim and that he would be average defensively at 3B.
I would especially emphasize his playing at C, 1B, and 3B in 2009 so that other prospects would get playing time (platoon with Ishikawa at 1B, perhaps Frandsen at 3B or even Rohlinger with Gillaspie as long shot given his promotion to 40 man roster) plus be a plus backup at C so that the offense don’t take a big hit when Molina is on the bench.
I would also note that Posey can play other positions - he played all 9 in one game this past season in college - so Sandoval could become the long-term solution at C while moving Posey to another up the middle position that is in need (i.e. should Burriss or Gillaspie as the poster noted above or Noonan, who I think is another strong possibility for 2B, fail to stick, or even if the Giants decide to trade Rowand and open up CF for Posey). But if 3B is the hole that needs filling, it probably makes more sense to play Sandoval there and Posey at C, as Sandoval has much more experience at 3B.
I also like the idea below of making Sandoval the full-time starting C first to maximize his value.
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by obsessivegiantscompulsive on Sep 10, 2025 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree Martin
Catcher would be the best position for Sandoval. If Posey is as athletic as advertised, then for good ness sakes lets get him away from the grind of playing catcher and use him at another premium position (shortstop?) that doesn’t risk his batting numbers.
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by Lyle on Sep 11, 2025 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Foot speed
Buster’s foot speed isn’t one of his many fine assets. I agree though, that his bat would play VERY nicely at shortstop.
by sharksrog on Sep 13, 2025 4:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
When I watched him in Binghamton
He was not that fast and like I said before he looks like a mini me Frank Thomas.
by Bravesin07 on Sep 10, 2025 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maximize his value at catcher
I think in the immediate future (IE 2009) Sandoval needs to be the every day catcher to maximize the value of his bat in the lineup, and to let him continue to refine his defensive skills. When/if Posey is ready to take over, then you have the option of moving Sandoval off of the position, or to trade him for a huge haul of prospects or another impact major leaguer to fill another positional need.
by jibs on Sep 10, 2025 7:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
easy to say that
but it is much harder to implement.
Everything I’ve seen from BA says that Sandoval as a regular MLB catcher is unlikely
by nms on Sep 12, 2025 3:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by camwoody on Sep 12, 2025 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Platoon catcher
I think Pablo would make a very fine platoon catcher. He has a strong, accurate arm behind the plate, has the athleticism to improve his footwork there and has that rare commodity among catchers — a lefty bat.
by sharksrog on Sep 13, 2025 5:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What the stats don't give you...
He was quite a butcher at third in Augusta, and while he has the arm for the position, he didn’t have great range or ability to get to balls to either side. He would be a terrible defender at the hot corner. I haven’t seen anything yet to convince me otherwise.
He was kept in San Jose to work with Steve Decker at catcher. The team clearly saw a need and desire for him to stick at catcher. Not surprisingly, the need for him to be there was reduced after the draft, though. However, he continued to play there at Connecticut even after the draft.
Also, not noted: he has gained more than 50 pounds in the last three years. His conditioning is my personal single biggest concern about his long-term future. He was listed as 180 lbs in 2005, and is now list at 246. Granted, that’s from age 19 to 22, but that’s still a huge weight gain, and anyone who sees him knows it’s not to his arms and shoulders.
I will also say that I’ve never seen anyone have as much fun on the baseball field as he does. One of my favorite moments is hearing about him hijacking the groundskeeper’s cart in San Jose and putting around the stadium saying “Vroom Vroom!”….going about 2 MPH. He always has a smile on his face.
I honestly believe his best value is as a catcher, especially with his offense but also in that he’s improved in his receiving and has an excellent arm that has gotten incredibly accurate over the last couple of years. He could get the most value overall out of playing that position, those his lifespan there could be limited with his conditioning. For the Giants, he’d be best suited at first. His defense would hurt least there, though he has a lot of competition in Ishikawa and Bowker.
The Giants might be well-served to let him play catcher at Fresno if Posey isn’t there and see if they can draw trade interest in him, unless they can commit him to first. Whatever they do, he’d be best utilized working on just one position all year, something he hasn’t been able to do since he was 18.
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by BruteSentiment on Sep 10, 2025 8:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He played 3B pretty infrequently at Augusta (only 20 games), which could account for some of it. Not sure what the D scouting reports from Salem-Kizer were. He actually got rave reviews for his D at Catcher in the AZL,but then they moved him off the position and didn’t play him there again for 3 seasons, and that lost development time no doubt is the cause of any defensive problems he has at C. In fact, bouncing him around the diamond has probably retarded his ability to really develop defensively at any position.
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by Roger on Sep 11, 2025 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He got moved off catcher because, surprise surprise, the team saw his weight beginning to balloon and knew that a fulltime catcher’s gig meant a high probability of him having a career downturning at 30-32.
The rave reviews he got in the AZL were relative to his age…he still had a lot to learn. And he has, particularly in his footwork and accuracy on his throws. Whether he can still pop like that when he’s even 25, however, is a legitimate concern. However, I wouldn’t disagree that bouncing him around the diamond has slowed his development defensively….I’m just not sure the Giants were wrong in doing it.
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by BruteSentiment on Sep 11, 2025 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brute, you’ve probably seen him play much more than me, but 3B looks like a great fit for him. He’s got the arm (although his throws can be a bit wild), and he’s only going to get better as he learns the position.
I say continue moving him around and get him as many ABs as he can get. As long as he stays in shape, I have no problem with him spelling Bengie at catcher or platooning with TI/Richie/whomever at 1B and 3B.
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by delorean on Sep 11, 2025 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree heavily: he will NOT get better as he learns the position.
I do think his throwing would improve, and I agree he’s got a great arm and his accuracy will get better. His problem is his lateral movement and range. His reflexes help, since he’s got a catcher’s eye for picking up spin off the ball and good predictions for bounces. However, he can not get to hits if they’re more than a couple of feet either way as it is right now, and those he can get within an arm’s range of, he is not able to get down and pick cleanly (which has led to some wild throws as he hurries). This will be a concern at first as well, but it’s less of an issue there (though having a 2B with range would be a big help).
With the shape he’s in, he’s unlikely to improve in that regard, and in fact, is more likely to begin to degrade even in the next couple of years. And while I love Pablo, you can’t hate a guy who loves being on the field as much as he does, I don’t see him getting into significantly better shape to stop that from happening soon enough.
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by BruteSentiment on Sep 11, 2025 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
All good points
I don’t think his range (or lack thereof) necessarily precludes him from playing the position. As you’ve mentioned, some of his instincts and skills will help mask his lack of range. OTOH, his size is a big concern, and is likely to reduce his range over time (as you’ve said). I agree that he will end up at first, but for the time being, I have no problem with him getting ABs anywhere he can, including third. He’ll outgrow the position, but I like his bat there over the next year or so.
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by delorean on Sep 11, 2025 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yea...
…that difference comes down to philosophy. I think he’d be better served working on his defense at his destined position now, but I can definitely see trying to plug him in for where he’ll do alright for now.
I think we’re all in agreement about his future…it’s just the present, people can take different ways. But then, that’s baseball.
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by BruteSentiment on Sep 12, 2025 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ultimately Pablo lands at 1B
I don’t see a big issue with Pablo rotating positions to get him in the lineup. His bat will be his big league calling card, not his defense at any position. To be fair, I’ve only see Pablo in person once - he played C in San Jose game earlier this year vs Lancaster. I have seen him play both 1B and 3B on television.
In person, I was impressed by Pablo’s arm, but was disappointed in his game management. Pablo became very rattled when Lancaster C Jon Still would step out of the box to delay P Tim Alderson’s rhythm. The problem became enough that Steve Decker actually called Pablo to the mound to get him back in the game defensively.
If Pablo can play 3B, that would be ideal with Posey on the way. However, I don’t think Pablo can play 3B long term. He does have some quickness, but in my opinion, his lateral movement is not that good as a 3B. Given his size, I don’t see this getting much better over time.
I think San Francisco does well to get his bat in the lineup any way possible right now. Catching 1-2 days a week makes tons of sense for his future value and for flexibility in the lineup. If the Giants move Molina, then let’s get Sandoval back there full-time now. If he can play some 3B now given the need in SF, great, but in my wildest imagination, I can’t see Pablo as a long-term 3B in the bigs. Long term, I think 1B becomes his primary role with his bat keeping him as a viable MLB player. Pablo’s bat will make him an impact player at the major league level, not his defense.
by Lphizzle on Sep 11, 2025 1:51 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Agreed
His bat has to play somewhere. Bochy seems to have figured that out right away. Play Pablo at 1B against righties, at 3B against lefties, and behind the plate to give Molina a blow. His defense is adequate everywhere, and not much of a problem for a staff of right-handed strikeout pitchers who don’t allow many ground balls to be pulled down the third-base side. Ultimately, though, he’ll be at 1B. The big priority has to be conditioning and teaching Pablo something about nutrition. He’s got good quickness and athleticism, but looks in danger of eating himself out a long career.
by beebrain on Sep 13, 2025 1:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Giants really seem to have issues with that
Villalona’s only been in the system a couple years and he’s already (reportedly) ballooning up.
I guess you can’t actually force guys to eat right, but at the very least they need a much more rigorous nagging program.
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by PaulThomas on Sep 15, 2025 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Definitely
If Pablo plays exclusively first base, he REALLY becomes a platoon player. Against righties he might be able to hit as an average first baseman, but from the right side he hasn’t shown anything to indicate he might come close.
The one possible thing that gives me hope: Pablo broke out with the bat from the left side this season. Could he possibly do so from the right side in the next year or two?
by sharksrog on Sep 13, 2025 5:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs




