MLB Labor Deal Reached: Big Changes Ahead in Draft
Major League Baseball and the Players Union have just announced a five-year labor deal.
Details are still being clarified for the public, but it includes an increase in the minimum salary, a testing regime for human growth hormone, shifting of the Houston Astros from the National League Central to the American League West in 2013, and the addition of two wild-card slots.
The big news for prospect watchers: major changes in the First-Year-Player Draft. This reportedly includes alterations in the free agent compensation formula, and "a luxury tax" on teams that spend above a certain figure in the draft.
That last thing is a big red flag to me. This sounds like an attempt to keep rich teams from loading up on "above-slot" bonus players and help competitive balance, but depending on exactly what the monetary limits are, it could easily backfire and hurt more teams than it helps. I guess we'll have to see what the details are on that and I'll reserve judgment until we find out more.
Overall, I have to say I'm pleased that baseball has avoided the ugly labor strife endemic in the other major sports. It didn't use to be that way, and an entire generation of fans has now grown up without having to worry about the sport shutting down every four years. That is a great achievement. Now we'll have to see how the specifics of the package work. In general I think the draft works pretty well, and I'm suspicious about the changes we've heard of so far.
UPDATE: As I said earlier, we need to see what the details are. Jim Callis at Baseball America points out that as more details become available, it appears the impact may not be as severe as originally feared.
At this point, I still think we need to reserve judgment.
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Great to hear the deal has been confirmed
Surprised that a framework for HGH testing appears to be in the contract. I wonder if there was a compromise based on there being no cap (hard or soft) on players.
The restrictions on the draft mean little to the rank and file, since draftees are not a part of the union until after they sign contracts, so it’s understandable that many of the cost restrictions occured at that level. It’s too bad, especially since the team I support (Toronto) has made the draft a priority and been well over slot on a consistent basis.
The luxury tax may actually work against competitive balance. Teams that keep payroll low, but invest heavily in the draft will be deterred from exceeding the luxury tax threshold, whereas teams like Boston, Yankees, etc may (will) not be deterred. They certainly aren’t deterred where player salaries are concerned, so why would they be deterred for the draft? Just one less ivory back-scratcher…
by msgg139 on Nov 22, 2025 2:08 PM EST reply actions
I dont really know how I feel about this...
Teams in the ten smallest markets and with the ten lowest revenues will enter a lottery for six additional first and second round picks, according to Bill Shaikin of the LA Times
by James Westfall on Nov 22, 2025 2:09 PM EST reply actions
I like it... IF...
The extra pick would be factored into the amount the teams are able to spend. I’m assuming that’s the case. However, it would be a terrible idea if all teams have the exact same amount to spend, regardless of where they draft and how many picks they have. We simply need more information about this.
by ajake57 on Nov 22, 2025 2:18 PM EST up reply actions
I think it's dumb
Why a lottery? Why not just give all of the teams extra picks for staying below? If you’re going to penalize teams evenly for going over slot, then either reward teams for staying under evenly or just don’t reward them at all. Avoiding the absurd penalties should be bonus enough.
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by Dan Strittmatter on Nov 22, 2025 6:54 PM EST up reply actions
yeah i don't like the sound of that at all .....maybe after the second round, but the lottery what?!?
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by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Nov 23, 2025 3:43 AM EST up reply actions
That luxury tax isn't just a tax it's a loss of draft picks
5% over slot you lose next years first round pick, 15% over the next two first rounders. So there is now no way for teams like the Pirates, Royals, Astros, Rockies, A’s or any other small market team to compete.
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by WVPiratesfan on Nov 22, 2025 2:18 PM EST reply actions
the problem would be
If big market teams willingly forfeit their first rounders, it could have the effect of decreasing the importance of and attention given to the first round of the draft (which seems counterproductive to what MLB has been pushing lately). What’s to stop teams from simply spending their money on the early round picks that they DO have?
by mrkupe on Nov 22, 2025 2:21 PM EST up reply actions
I'll use my Cubs for an example.
In 2011, they went overslot on Baez. B-bye 2012 pick. Overslot on Vogelbach by a large amount. B-bye 2013, 2014. Dunston costs them 2 more. Maples 2 more.
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by timh815 on Nov 22, 2025 2:24 PM EST up reply actions
It's
an overall threshold I believe.
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by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Nov 22, 2025 3:07 PM EST up reply actions
Nope
Overall. There’s a cap of total spending, and if you go certain percentage thresholds over the total cap (combining picks in first ten rounds and six-figure bonuses thereafter) then you incur the penalties.
Not that this is good or anything. But it’s less horrible than what you have outlined. :-P
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by Dan Strittmatter on Nov 22, 2025 6:52 PM EST up reply actions
True, but there are different caps depending on where your pick slots
so underperforming teams have higher spend limits than better performing teams.
Estimates are that the variance in allowed spending could be a factor of 2 or more.
If that’s not an advantage, I don’t know what is.
Just as or more important are the constraints on International spending.
by nyyfaninlaaland on Nov 23, 2025 1:19 AM EST up reply actions
The other point is that in round 11 and down
there are no slots, or attrtibution to your limit if player comp stays under 100K. So it’ll be scouting rules at that point.
In my mind it’s the draftees that have been screwed. Callis’ article should be read for an early projection of possible practicallities here. It’s not limited to BA subs.
by nyyfaninlaaland on Nov 23, 2025 1:23 AM EST up reply actions
whoa... that's big
yeah, there’s no way to skirt around that. This will be massive for the draft process.
by msgg139 on Nov 22, 2025 2:48 PM EST up reply actions
I like it
The penalty for going overslot is draconian. The effect is that draftees can’t game the system- there just isn’t incentive to sign most prospects so far above slot. most talent will be drafted in order- yanks/redsox/ perennial contenders are going to have to b happy with the real end of the first round, talent wise
by sandiego3131 on Nov 22, 2025 2:48 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
You do do realize that this will all but end teams being able to draft multi-sport guys with scholarships to college right?
or is that sarcasm, I can’t tell
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by WVPiratesfan on Nov 22, 2025 3:03 PM EST up reply actions
or the teams who still wish to go over slot will just wait to draft these kids in later rounds, where losing a couple years worth of draft picks will be of less importance
by msgg139 on Nov 22, 2025 3:06 PM EST up reply actions
Personally
I’m glad that all these horrible teams like the Pirates can’t overpay for people like Bell and Allie any more. Oh, wait…
by A Behemoth on Nov 22, 2025 4:51 PM EST up reply actions
Jim Hendry didn't know you COULDN'T draft football players in the MLB draft
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by aaronb on Nov 22, 2025 4:41 PM EST up reply actions
This has nothing much to do with competitive balance
and everything to do with the owners wanting more money for themselves. Personally, I’d prefer the prospects to get the cash. I’m unconvinced that MLB owners were brutally oppressed under the old system.
by A Behemoth on Nov 22, 2025 4:48 PM EST up reply actions
I'd rather the cash go
To legitimate MLB players as opposed to some kid who never gets out of Boise.
If anything this should steer more kids to college and help MLB teams avoid spending millions on the Ryan Harvey’s and Mark Paweleks of the world.
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by aaronb on Nov 22, 2025 5:06 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I wouldn't have a problem
With a system where rewards were more performance rated - the player got so much when he reached AA, another chunk when he got to AAA,. and more when he got to the bigs, for example. The increased investment by many clubs in young talent through both the draft and international scouting is clearly because it’s very good value for money overall - much more so than free agency, for example. I don’t understand why MLB feels the need to protect clubs who won’t pay for this - there are very few, if any, who can’t pay for it.
If you feel the game is improved by paying more for free agents of all sorts, then great. I can’t see how, but that’s fine. I bet that most of the money just stays in the owners’ pockets though.
by A Behemoth on Nov 22, 2025 5:19 PM EST up reply actions
which could steer those kids to the Tampa Bay Buccanneers and Pittsburgh Steelers
instead of the Pittsburgh Pirates and Tampa Bay Rays
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by WVPiratesfan on Nov 22, 2025 11:20 PM EST up reply actions
Did you miss the part where the NFL just seriously cut into rookie guarantees?
by nixa37 on Nov 22, 2025 11:46 PM EST up reply actions
they are still making more than a MLB draft pick
and guys like Carl Crawford would be playing in the NFL if wasn’t for paying overslot to buy out multi-sport scholarships. If the Rays didn’t pay overslot for him he would’ve been running the option offense at Nebraska and some coach would’ve turned him into a WR or DB because of his athletesim.
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by WVPiratesfan on Nov 23, 2025 12:20 AM EST up reply actions
The top couple picks in the NFL draft sure
But guys like Crawford and Starling have essentially 0 chance of getting a big payday when drafted into the NFL and they have to put off their payday for at least 4 years in order to play football. Guys aren’t going to do that when they can still get a million or playing baseball. Bonuses weren’t always nearly this high and guys still chose baseball over football. I know George Lombard gave up football for right around a million in 1994 and this was a Parade All-American, 5 star HB.
Also, “slots” are about to go way up. Its already been reported that the total amount will be approximately 200 million for the first 10 rounds, compared to ~130 million in slot recommendations for the first 10 rounds next year. That’s still not nearly as much as guys actually got paid, but its not nearly as bad as a lot of people are making it out to.
Maybe I’m missing something as well, but as far as I can tell, the cap on draft spending only refers to signing bonuses. I imagine there is still going to be a way to guarantee a player money outside of signing bonus money, but maybe the elimination of MLB deals keeps that from happening. I still imagine there is going to be some loophole teams can use.
Regardless, teams are going to be willing to go over on occasion for the right player as long as they think its worth it. Now there is more strategy involved. Would you prefer giving up picks in the future, or do you just choose guys who will sign cheap with you other picks to stay outside the harshest punishments?
by nixa37 on Nov 23, 2025 12:04 PM EST up reply actions
Money
The owners that want to win will invest the money in something else. It’s not going to go in their pocket.
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by rwperu34 on Nov 22, 2025 5:45 PM EST up reply actions
Don't want to nitpick...
But Houston is the 4th largest city in the United States. Hardly a small market. Underutilized, maybe.
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by Stupendous Man on Nov 22, 2025 5:38 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
yeah they shouldnt have been included in that, the had some very large salary teams not too long ago
by Noah McKinnie Braun on Nov 22, 2025 8:52 PM EST up reply actions
I don't understand the shorter signing period
If MLB wants teams to draft the best players, why not go the other direction and give teams rights to drafted players for 3-4 years with the ability to trade the rights to that player after one year? Doesn’t the shorter time period just put even more incentive for players to hold out until the following year (unless they’re college seniors)?
by Boz_Paladin on Nov 22, 2025 2:19 PM EST reply actions
You mistake Bud
for someone that cares. Bubba Starling would be at Nebraska, and Bud wouldn’t care.
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by timh815 on Nov 22, 2025 2:25 PM EST up reply actions
It’s not about getting the best players to sign quickly. It’s to get the draft to b a distribution of the best talent to the worst teams from the previous year- more like the nfl, as an example
by sandiego3131 on Nov 22, 2025 2:51 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
one of the things i like about baseball is...
that isnt not like the NFL.
by James Westfall on Nov 22, 2025 4:12 PM EST up reply actions
80% of American sports consumers strongly disagree
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by aaronb on Nov 22, 2025 4:42 PM EST up reply actions
yeah i said it.
i don’t see the resemblance. baseball is way more diverse and complex from top to bottom…if anything the NFL is like the NBA.
sure as we continue to do things like add lottery rounds and instant replay and cap signings it is becoming more like the NFL, but i still see them as different.
by James Westfall on Nov 22, 2025 4:57 PM EST up reply actions
I meant that the NFL is much more popular of a sport
I hate the idea of expanding the playoffs. I detest the DH, especially if its instituted league wide.
I was more just pointing out that your favor of baseball over football doesn’t jive with 80% of U.S. Americans.
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by aaronb on Nov 22, 2025 5:04 PM EST up reply actions
Maps
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by aaronb on Nov 22, 2025 5:04 PM EST up reply actions
we are the 80%, and we are too big to fail!
by Noah McKinnie Braun on Nov 22, 2025 8:53 PM EST up reply actions
It will be interesting to see how the CBA plays out, but
I envision teams drafting 2 or 3 “signability” players in the first 10 rounds. The GM tells each of them that the team can only afford to sign one or two of them, so you need to sign before the moeny is gone. Maybe the team signs all three for slot, but if not, it can reallocate money to the players that are willing to negotiate.
This will absolutely kill the abilility of agents to “hold out” to the last day, because their player will be SOL.
by oater on Nov 23, 2025 8:05 PM EST up reply actions
I like
the shorter signing period mainly because most teams and players already know what they are willing to spend/accept for a deal, but in the past the commissioners office has forced them to wait to announce a deal until the mid Aug at the deadline. With the deadline being in July, teams can get their players signed and into the minor leagues much sooner so they can get started on their pro careers instead of needlessly having to wait a whole month-plus and thats just wasted time of player development. With that said, Im a bit skeptical of the spending cap luxury tax and losing of picks for spending too much, think that could make players leave to college or other sports and hurt overall talent coming to MLB. Im willing to learn all the facts first and see how it plays out, but my initial thought is any cap of that sort would hurt more than it will help things.
by cardsman99 on Nov 22, 2025 2:52 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Agree ...
… on the deadline. Not enough info on the cap/tax to comment.
by Traindogger on Nov 22, 2025 4:22 PM EST up reply actions
realignment/wild card
I’ve gotta say, I don’t like the 15 teams in each league with the additional wild card at all. That being said, I hate the unbalanced schedule now. I don’t think it’s fair to have an unbalanced schedule when you have a wild card. A team with an easier schedule therefore has an advantage.
So now there is going to be interleague play at all times? I can’t wait for the first AL pitcher to be hurt running the bases in April and see how that’s received. It would make much more sense to expand to 16 teams per league, IMO.
And the rumors of the Wild Card being a one game play off? So they play 162 games, and then it all comes down to a 1 game playoff? What a joke. The team with one great starting pitcher wins, I guess.
I don’t understand this…
by noelman31 on Nov 22, 2025 2:59 PM EST reply actions
It's
essentially a play-in game, just like they do if two teams tie… after playing 162 games.
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by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Nov 22, 2025 3:10 PM EST up reply actions
oh yeah, just look at the magical ending to this last season, none of that would have mattered, instead the sox and rays would have played a one game playoff, same with cards and braves. the last weeks won’t matter as much as teams will b simply setting up their pitching schedule so that Josh Beckett and David Price will be fresh for the play-in game
by Noah McKinnie Braun on Nov 22, 2025 8:55 PM EST up reply actions
Or you could look at it
that now winning your division matters more again, to avoid having to (possibly) use your best pitcher, but in any case have it all riding on a single play-in game.
You can’t have 3 playoffs teams sitting around for 5 days waiting for a 3 game series to play out.
And you can’t predict what will happen. In a number of the recent play-in games teams fighting to get into the playoffs at all didn’t have the luxury of resetting their rotation and couldn’t use their best guy in the single game.
by nyyfaninlaaland on Nov 23, 2025 1:35 AM EST up reply actions
This just moves the magical ending of the season from teams at 92 wins to 88 wins
When the wild card was first introduced, purists bemoaned the loss of the “true” pennant race like the Giants-Braves race in 1993 (when the Giants discovered that 103 wins was not good enough because the Braves won 104, and the NL West). Yes, the Braves used to be in the NL West, boys and girls. No, I don’t know why.
So now the two teams barreling down on 100 wins will still be scratching and clawing to avoid the one-and-done. You won’t get the situation like when the Yankees and Rays came down the stretch profoundly indifferent as to who won the division.
There hasn’t been a big fight for the wild card every year, this year there was. This year there wouldn’t have been a big fight for the second wild card, other years there may well be. I’m a lot more upset about the cap on draft choice compensation than I am on the playoff format (although for the record I’m not a big fan of wild cards, much less two).
by d_c_guy on Nov 23, 2025 10:51 AM EST up reply actions
Solution
DH in both leagues.
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by rwperu34 on Nov 22, 2025 3:47 PM EST up reply actions
i wish there was no DH
every position player should bat.
by James Westfall on Nov 22, 2025 4:14 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
James be real
The fans want 9 DHs. Let’s throw in unlimited pinch runners for fun. That’s baseball.
by ttnorm on Nov 22, 2025 4:27 PM EST up reply actions
thats BUD ball
the fans love post-seasons too so why not just scrap the regular season?
i would argue that actual baseball fans enjoy the complexity of the sport and the strategy and the rivalries as much as the homerun. I am also against expanding playoffs because that further de-emphasizes the regular season (it also defeats the purpose of having A Wild Card if there are multiple Wild Cards).
The DH is a way to lure in the casual fan and it attempts to add offense to a defensive oriented game and expanding playoffs tries to add revenue and boost sales that come with having a playoff team, but lets be real the further we go away from the tradition of baseball the more obscure all the stats and prior achievements of the legends becomes.
by James Westfall on Nov 22, 2025 4:45 PM EST up reply actions
DH
Are you telling me you’d rather see a pitcher hit than David Ortiz (or, substitute name for any ol’ DH)? The DH definitely improves the on field product. As for the stats not meaning as much and such, I don’t buy into it. Half the teams have used the DH for the last 38 years. The DH is already part of the fabric of the game.
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by rwperu34 on Nov 22, 2025 5:50 PM EST up reply actions
I would rather see a pitcher bat.
yes. I realize that this is unconventional, but I like the idea of having each of the 9 position players take an at-bat. I am an NL guy.
by James Westfall on Nov 22, 2025 6:14 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
This.
I enjoy the strategy involved in having a pitcher bat. Watching Wainwright hit two homeruns in one game was awesome. DH isn’t always an Ortiz. Sometimes it’s an Adam Dunn (of 2011).
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by Dttl89 on Nov 23, 2025 2:23 PM EST up reply actions
And Willy, Mickey, and the Duke are not?
The DH is all about incomplete players. Hardly something to hang your hat on. But this is neither the time or the placefor this so you are welcome to the last word.
by ttnorm on Nov 22, 2025 6:01 PM EST up reply actions
Complete player
You’re telling me that a pitcher that bats .150 is a complete player? It’s only a question of which incomplete player you want at the plate…the guy who can hit or the guy who can’t hit.
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by rwperu34 on Nov 22, 2025 6:11 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I want to see a guy who actually fields a position take an at bat.
As for complete players I think there is no such thing in the sense we are talking about. Obviously no fielder is going to be able to pitch at the level of the current MLB SP, but similarly no pitcher is going to be able to hit at the level of a DH. it is a matter of preference. i prefer that the same 9 hit and play defense.
by James Westfall on Nov 22, 2025 6:19 PM EST up reply actions
And
How does anything any DH has ever done take anything away from Willie, Mickey, or the Duke? Sure, you might have a DH that’s as good a hitter as those guys, but they don’t get the credit for being high quality center fielders. I don’t see how comparing those guys to a DH is any different than comparing them to a great hitter/lousy fielder (Manny, Foxx…etc)
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by rwperu34 on Nov 22, 2025 6:20 PM EST up reply actions
so, by eliminating the DH
you’d not only have to watch the pitcher hit, you’d have to watch ortiz and his ilk play first base…they should be trying to make the game better, not worse
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by billybeingbilly on Nov 22, 2025 8:34 PM EST up reply actions
how does strategy make the game worse
and if you can’t field at a compitent level you’re not a baseball player
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by WVPiratesfan on Nov 22, 2025 11:21 PM EST up reply actions
i guess someone needs to break it to deion sanders that he wasnt a competent fb player...
b/c he couldnt tackle for shit
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by billybeingbilly on Nov 23, 2025 12:53 AM EST up reply actions
Kinda the point
Pitchers aren’t paid to hit.
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by rwperu34 on Nov 23, 2025 5:16 PM EST up reply actions
i dont watch baseball for the double switch
i watch to see good hitters battle good pitchers…to see good defensive plays…to see incredible baserunners run the bases…if i want to watch shitty hitters hit, i’ll go to a high school game
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by billybeingbilly on Nov 23, 2025 12:54 AM EST up reply actions
+1
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by rwperu34 on Nov 23, 2025 2:19 AM EST up reply actions
and dont act like its a tradition thing...
double switches have been prevalent for a shorter time than the DH
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by billybeingbilly on Nov 23, 2025 12:56 AM EST up reply actions
and if you can't hit at a competent level you're not a baseball player.
by Looney4baseball on Nov 23, 2025 9:44 AM EST up reply actions
Right.
I love arguments that show that David Eckstein is a baseball player but Clayton Kershaw isn’t
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by OldProspects on Nov 23, 2025 11:51 AM EST up reply actions
and I love arguments where people would rather watch Kershaw hit than Eckstein.
dismissing the DH because they can’t field is the exact same thing as dismissing the pitcher because they can’t hit. If one is going to argue that a DH isn’t a complete player then the same can be said for a pitcher thar can’t hit. Of course Kershaw is a great pitcher, but he’s a career .128 hitter.
by Looney4baseball on Nov 23, 2025 4:13 PM EST up reply actions
I'd rather...
… see a manager have to make a tough decision to pull a pitcher when he comes up to bat in a crucial situation, pull a double switch, etc. AL baseball gets boring. The starter can stay in for 8 innings, put in the stud closer, game over.
by noelman31 on Nov 22, 2025 11:52 PM EST up reply actions
anyone who thinks that watching a pitcher hit is entertainment is delusional...
argue for tradition all you want, but simply b/c it was done that way for a very long time doesnt make it the best way to do it….
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by billybeingbilly on Nov 22, 2025 8:33 PM EST up reply actions
I Like No DH
Not because of the pitcher hitting, but because of the stradegy of the game involved in having the pitcher hit. When to PH, who to use to PH, double switches, etc….
by Ksbengals on Nov 22, 2025 10:38 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Because pitchers batting .138
bunting at every opportunity, and the incredible and completely predictable mysteries of the double switch are what we all watch baseball for.
by nyyfaninlaaland on Nov 23, 2025 1:37 AM EST up reply actions
The double switch is complete crap anyway.
Teams usually end up putting in a worse hitter in place of the position player they remove him for anyway because if he were as good or better, he’d be starting in the first place. Only if a starter has a day off and is put in late is this not the case. So essentially, you weaken the hitting with the pinch hitter because you remove a starting player and still face the issue 2-3 innings later when the pitcher spot comes to bat again. No one wants to see the pitcher hit. No one wants to watch anyone hitting .150 hit, ask Adam Dunn.
by Looney4baseball on Nov 23, 2025 9:49 AM EST up reply actions
I think even Dunn would admit he doesn't want to watch anyone hit .150.
by Looney4baseball on Nov 23, 2025 4:16 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Fans
of small market teams that have spent (Pirates, Nationals, Blue Jays (small revenue), Padres, Rays, etc) are up in arms over the "cap" on draft spending.
Before we go nuclear meltdown, does anyone have any actual figures or any guesses? I mean if 5 million is the cap for the worst team in IFA, I’d have to imagine the draft cap will be size-ably more than that, perhaps at least doubled?
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by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Nov 22, 2025 3:08 PM EST reply actions
here is the CBA just in case you want to read it
http://www.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20111122&content_id=26025138&vkey=pr_mlb&c_id=mlb
Players who should be in the Hall of Fame: Pat TIllman, Dwight White, Donnie Shell, L.C. Greenwood, Ray Guy, Steve Tasker, Jack Butler, Greg Lloyd, Andy Russell, Cris Carter, Kevin Greene, Curtis Martin, Willie Roaf, Andre Reed and Jerry Kramer
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by WVPiratesfan on Nov 22, 2025 3:10 PM EST reply actions
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For draft picks. I think that is in the best interest for players and teams.
by AKinn15 on Nov 22, 2025 3:47 PM EST reply actions
AND
I’m sure Purke is thrilled he went ahead and signed.
by BlueVol03 on Nov 22, 2025 4:08 PM EST up reply actions
if more kids end up going to college like it would seem this would lead to
I wonder what it will do to the draft over the next 3-4 years if even 40% of the high schoolers that would have been drafted go to school, that really thins out the draft a lot, it will also lead to a bunch of college guys in rookie leagues that 99% of them of 0% chance of making the majors.
by Dbullsfan on Nov 22, 2025 4:10 PM EST reply actions
that doesn't bug me
will be a weaker draft for a couple years with more HS’ers going to college (though plenty just have no interest in college and want to get the majors as quickly as possible) but eventually those guys will end up in the draft anyway, if there talent/health holds up
by Wheelhouse on Nov 22, 2025 4:17 PM EST up reply actions
after that 3-4 year window though you will have 2 groups of college players though
group 1 that has ML potential and promise and those guys you aren’t going to want to start in rookie ball and have them play in the minors till they are 25-26
group 2 is going to be roster fillers that have no major league potential and will probably fade out by AA, you will always have the diamond in the rough but most will never amount to anything.
so your rookie league and developmental leagues that now have high school kids is going to be full of basically semi-pro college guys.
by Dbullsfan on Nov 22, 2025 4:21 PM EST up reply actions
To fill out those short-season leagues...
I’ll race you to China, India and Africa!
Actually, I wonder if this will wind up being the death knell of the god forsaken complex leagues. MLB made noise about doing away with them before, but this might finally do it…
by realitypolice on Nov 22, 2025 4:27 PM EST up reply actions
i think it will
they are saying between $1.8-5MM range…can’t field a team for 5 million even in latin america.
by James Westfall on Nov 22, 2025 4:53 PM EST up reply actions
Sure you can.
International; spending appears high becuase of a couple of 7 figure signings you read about, but those are actually few and far between. Not that many guys in the Carib get even 6 figures.
by nyyfaninlaaland on Nov 23, 2025 1:44 AM EST up reply actions
there were probably a couple hundred 100k+ bonuses given out last year
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by billybeingbilly on Nov 23, 2025 1:47 AM EST up reply actions
Which is about 3 per ML team.
Again, not many
by nyyfaninlaaland on Nov 24, 2025 3:42 AM EST up reply actions
Apologies, my math is off there.
But I’d like to see the numbers. I’ve seen what was spent last year.
The caps are fairly closely related to what was spent this year overall.
What will change going forward is the distribution of the dollars.
Kind of sad in a way considering how much the money means to people in these countries. They are in line for college scholarships.
by nyyfaninlaaland on Nov 24, 2025 3:45 AM EST up reply actions
draft cap question
scenerio:
team allocated $8M for their draft by MLB, team decides to spend $8M on their 1st rounder, do not sign any of their other picks in the top 10 rounds, remain under the cap and do not have to pay tax/lose picks
is that possible under the new rules? if so, really concerned for guys getting drafted in rounds 2-10 as some players may need to be “sacrified” if teams want to sign 1st rounders (due to agents holding the gun to teams head, especially high schoolers)
by Wheelhouse on Nov 22, 2025 4:15 PM EST reply actions
Hypothetically
yes, I believe so.
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by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Nov 22, 2025 4:17 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah
The problem is not with someone like Bubba Starling. If he’s good enough, someone would come up with the cash for him. The guy who would not have signed this year is much more likely to have been Josh Bell, given the Pirates would likely have blown most of their quota on Cole.
by A Behemoth on Nov 22, 2025 4:18 PM EST up reply actions
great example
an exactly my fear with the new system
don’t think for a second that agents like boras won’t hold teams hostage right up to the deadline, trying to strong arm them to blow the majority of their limit on the first rounder, at the expense of other picks. so why that dance is going on teams won’t be able to sign remaining picks out of fear of not having enough left to get that 1st rounder signed. and if a team wants to do that dance and waits too late to pull the trigger they could be left with a whole bunch of unspent cap room.
this is going to cost alot of young, stupid players who listen to bad agent advice and get caught in a game of chicken
by Wheelhouse on Nov 22, 2025 4:52 PM EST up reply actions
This creates a bad-faith interaction
If that team decides spend their budget on the first rounder or first two or whatever, they’ve essentially taken the remaining players off the field for any other teams. Those not-first-rounders can sign for 100k, or go to college. Talk about bad-faith. That’s terrible. They should be granted some sort of free agency status in order to negotiate with another team that has more space. I think this is worse than a hard-slotting system, because if a team has a high-profile draftee sign for big-money, the chasm between what the other draftees want vs. what the teams will give will be much larger than if there was a hard cap. Curt Flood is rolling over in his grave/urn/seabed.
by slacker george on Nov 23, 2025 1:37 AM EST up reply actions
That's kind of the point
this is all designed to give the negotiation hammer back to the teams, and reduce spending. Aside from the fact that the caps being bandied about here have no basis in fact, it’s likely going to increase team leverage and have a somewhat depressing effect on top bonuses.
At least isn’t that what everyone in favor of a salary cap says would happen?
by nyyfaninlaaland on Nov 23, 2025 1:47 AM EST up reply actions
International Signings
Biggest impact is more likely to be in international signings, imo.. Cap there means that fewer players will likely be signed, and talent will be lost forever. In the US, most players will eventually sign - some high school guys will go to college instead, but will still end up being drafted if they are good.
by A Behemoth on Nov 22, 2025 4:22 PM EST reply actions
the problem is, that Starling would be playing QB in Nebraska, and Zach Lee would be quarterbacking at LSU
hard time for MLB teams trying to sign two sport athletes
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by orli on Nov 22, 2025 4:35 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe
Although I think someone pays for Starling. Maybe not for Lee though. I think people will focus on the 2-sport guys, and it is a real issue, but I don’t think it’s close to being the worst thing that comes out of this CBA.
by A Behemoth on Nov 22, 2025 4:50 PM EST up reply actions
well as fan of Rangers
I m scared to deadth, that we cant spent over slot in Draft anymore…and we cant sign another Nomara with Guzman in next 5 years
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by orli on Nov 22, 2025 4:52 PM EST up reply actions
You are lucky
You’ve already invested, and you have a good big league ballclub. I can’t see how a team like the O’s can ever be competitive under these rules.
by A Behemoth on Nov 22, 2025 5:22 PM EST up reply actions
not guaranteed
They’d still be passing up a lot of money (TBD) to go to college, and still may end up chosing baseball after college.
Baseball’s draft still has the potential to be the richest in pro sports, especially for 18-20 year-olds.
by ayjackson on Nov 22, 2025 7:59 PM EST up reply actions
top picks in the nba get like $15 million guaranteed....
top picks in the nfl more than that….how is baseball the richest when the team with the biggest budget can spend 11 million spread throughout 10 picks?
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by billybeingbilly on Nov 22, 2025 8:46 PM EST up reply actions
NBA level draftees
aren’t choosing between the NBA and MLB. Of course they go NBA. Bigger money, play right away, etc. Lots of 6’2" guys getting a shot at those NBA bucks. How many rounds are there in the NBA draft? This is beyond an apples and oranges comparison.
It’s an apples and quantum mechanics comparison.
by nyyfaninlaaland on Nov 23, 2025 1:52 AM EST up reply actions
Baseball’s draft still has the potential to be the richest in pro sports, especially for 18-20 year-olds.
the 100% false statement i was responding to
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by billybeingbilly on Nov 23, 2025 1:55 AM EST up reply actions
I don't think its nearly as wrong as you think
Even the #1 NBA draft pick gets guaranteed less than 16 million over 3 years. #10 pick is looking at 7.5 million over 3 years. Between signing bonus and the possibility of other guaranteed money (I’m assuming here, but I can’t imagine this is just completely disappearing), the MLB draft could be just as rich as basketball.
by nixa37 on Nov 23, 2025 12:21 PM EST up reply actions
The only “guaranteed money” other than draft bonus that has been negotiated into draft contracts in the past is structured into major league deals. Those have been done away with.
I’m sure agents and teams will find new creative ways to get more money to signees that doesn’t count against the cap, but I haven’t read the document yet to figure out if they can make guarantees for addition to 40man rosters, offer performance/timeline bonuses, etc.
The slot for the first overall pick is reportedly going to be $7.5M. Even if teams get REALLY creative, they’re not going to approach that $16M number.
by realitypolice on Nov 23, 2025 12:27 PM EST up reply actions
Again though that's over 3 years (and subject to change in the new NBA CBA)
Plus you have to put off getting paid for a year at a minimum and taking on that risk. Plus, as I mentioned, the NBA pay scale drops off fast and only first rounders even get guaranteed money. In many ways, MLB’s draft still does have the potential to be the richest in pro sports.
by nixa37 on Nov 23, 2025 12:33 PM EST up reply actions
The MLB draft pool is going to be somewhere around $45M for the first round (the #1 pick slot is being reported as $7.2M for 2012, with the #4 slot at $3.2M) and $200M for the first 10 rounds. Now THAT’S a scale that drops off fast!
by realitypolice on Nov 23, 2025 4:13 PM EST up reply actions
Not really for a sports draft
I mean in the NFL you were talking about a difference of upwards of 40 million in guaranteed money between the first and last pick of the first round. In the NBA, if you don’t get drafted in the first round, you don’t get guaranteed money at all.
Also, where is the 3.2 MM for #4 coming from? I guess its possible, but that seems lower than I would expect considering the slot recommendation last year was something like 2.75 MM and as a whole slot money is going up ~50% (from 133 MM to ~200 MM).
by nixa37 on Nov 23, 2025 4:24 PM EST up reply actions
Why would talent be lost forever?
Unless Japan is willing to step up, a $500k signing bonus to a dirt poor Dominican ballplayer probably sounds just as good as a $1.75M one. The players are the big losers (as well as the free market), because the guys who run the academies will just take bigger cuts, but I doubt it changes the talent pool.
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John this is very off topic but . . .
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by Nnamdi Asomugha on Nov 22, 2025 4:39 PM EST reply actions
Do unsigned picks count towards the slot #s?
I have found that the Rays, a team known for recently going overslot, has gone overslot by around 10% each of the past two years.
by mr. maniac on Nov 22, 2025 4:40 PM EST reply actions
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by ttnorm on Nov 22, 2025 4:43 PM EST reply actions
Had a Flounder moment there
When looking at that grotesque picture at the top of this article.
Horrible CBA deal, the new rules put in place on draft compensation and limits on spending are just plain awful. Owners could care less of course that they are going to kill the game with this deal over the long haul and continue to lose the best athletes to football.
Small market teams are punsihed severly with this deal and will then need to be subsidized almost completely by the big market clubs now.
by backtocali on Nov 22, 2025 5:06 PM EST reply actions
Much as it pains me...
… I have to agree. I don’t know if it will ruin the game, and my primary concerns are slightly different than yours, but I don’t see how this CBA will be anything but bad for competitive balance. I’ve got no problem with bad franchises failing on their own merits. I don’t like the fact that MLB appears to be extending the competitive imbalance that currently exists into the forseeable future.
This is an overstatement, it’s hyperbole, but honest to God, I think this CBA is Bud’s Yalta Conference: He’s tired. He’s more concerned about getting a deal than getting the right deal, so he makes a bad one so he can point to 21 years of labor peace on his way out the door and hope that gets mentioned as often as the cancelled world series when people talk about his time as commissioner.
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Bud should have at least waited until after the press conference to pick his nose.
Ughhhhh. I can’t even say I’m trying to be funny. It ties in with this whole thing, in some way. Don’t watch the replay if you haven’t already seen it, TSSC!
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by Jess'HittheBall on Nov 23, 2025 12:27 AM EST up reply actions
Here are some fun facts...YIKES
Draft limits may curb rebuilding efforts - Teams will face draft spending ceilings in the $4.5-11.5MM range. Clubs like the Pirates, Rays, Indians, Nationals, Blue Jays and Mets had been spending aggressively on the draft, but will have to slow down or face steep fines and lose future selections.
International spending restrictions - The restrictions on international spending appear to make it harder for teams to build a competitive advantage internationally.
More super twos - More players than ever will be arbitration eligible before obtaining three years of MLB service. This won’t stop the annual service time manipulations for top prospects, but it might delay them until later in the summer. The cutoff will now be earlier than ever, which means teams may wait until the end of June before calling top prospects up.
(All of this seems to be making things worse for teams not in contention on the MLB level)
by James Westfall on Nov 22, 2025 5:33 PM EST reply actions
Agree
The draft limits are going to work in the exact opposite way they are intended. The big money teams that can afford to pay the tax are going to be getting all of the best prospects. The simple way to make sure the best players go at the top of the draft (roughly) is to just let teams trade picks.
The super two thing really pisses me off. I was hoping beyond hope that they’d make it something like 10 days on the 25 man roster equals a year of service time. That way we could do away with the early season shenanigans. Oh, and no more Alex Gordon and JJ Hardy debacles. I know that was wishful thinking, but instead they go and make it worse?
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by rwperu34 on Nov 22, 2025 5:56 PM EST up reply actions
easy way to fix this
is to exempt the 10 worst teams from the salary cap restrictions… then you can have the bad teams being able to go over slot and get the picks to reload. That will help competitive balance while still reducing costs…
I’d add that with the NBA and NFL limiting draft compensation, it’s only natural that baseball does as well. As long as they aren’t being more restrictive than others, it shouldn’t change much.
by diehardtwinsfan on Nov 25, 2025 8:26 PM EST up reply actions
This is dumb
We don’t know if the new pool limits are going to be higher than the previously-recommended slots or not, but it isn’t exactly smart either way. If there’s no change from the ‘11 slots, it’s going to be more of an annoyance than a game-changer. Guys will still get drafted, and teams will just have to pick the times when the draft’s talent crop is so good that it’s worth going on a spending binge. Sign a dozen guys for over slot, take the two-pick hit, and behave for the next couple of years until you get your first-round picks back and can pick your spots again. It’s probably not even going to depress bonuses much, just create volatility in year-to-year spending. You’ll see a team spend $20MM one year then $6MM the next two. No real net difference, the way I see it.
If the slots are changed (increased) dramatically, it’ll probably be business as usual. Some of the patterns mentioned above will happen every now and then, but if the changes are significant enough I doubt it’ll be too drastic. We’ll just have to see.
The worst part, though, is undoubtedly the Latin American free agent spending limits. These are legitimate caps that prevent these kids from getting money commensurate to their value. For basically no reason. Extremely discriminatory, and even downright inhospitable in some cases, particularly to Cubans. From what I understand, if a Cuban player with fewer than three years of experience who is less than 23 years old defects, his bonus will count against a team’s Latin American signing pool. Basically, MLB and the MLBPA just wrote this to Cuba:
Dear Cuban Baseball Players,
I know the idea of freedom must sound pretty awesome to you guys. If you’re considering defecting because of the promises of freedom that the US provides, trust us, it TOTALLY holds up. However, if you’re any good, stay the hell away until you’re 23 years old. Nobody will want you yet because we made sure they won’t for no apparent reason. Good luck in your new soccer career.
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by Dan Strittmatter on Nov 22, 2025 7:40 PM EST reply actions
I suspect this is to keep the Cubanos from lying about their ages
Now, they have the opposite incentive….“No really, Im not 17, Im 23!!!”
by Crowncola on Nov 22, 2025 8:24 PM EST up reply actions
This. Of course, if it's a really good player, Fidel could leak the player's birth certificate to show he's under 23 out of spite.
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by garik16 on Nov 22, 2025 9:51 PM EST up reply actions
What happens when a team says f@@k MLB and goes overslot on all their picks?
Wouldn’t it be better sometimes to give up first round picks if it meant you could be one of the only teams going way overslot on all your other picks?
by Matthew Mueller on Nov 22, 2025 8:09 PM EST reply actions
To answer, let's compare.
IN 2011, any team could do exactly that, Bud would caomplain, and they’d have to listen to his scolding. Period, end of story.
In 2012 they could do the same thing, pay a penalty of 100% of every overslot dollar, and lose 2 future round 1 draft picks.
Which of these would you choose?
by nyyfaninlaaland on Nov 23, 2025 2:02 AM EST up reply actions
Yes, you could
And then since you are losing your 1st round pick the next year by doing that, you might as well spend big in free agency that year instead.
But there won’t be much incentive to do this unless the spending limits are set too low. With no limits per pick, the top individual talents really shouldn’t fall that far. It’s not going to be worth doing unless there is enough talent there left after other teams have spent their budgets.
If this doesn’t happen at least once or twice though, that probably means the limits are too high.
by acerimusdux on Nov 23, 2025 2:18 AM EST up reply actions
What I think the ultimate goal of this is
For too long agents have been able to steer higher rated tough sign guys towards the big market teams. Ultimately that effects the competitive balance of the league.
All this is doing is helping smaller markets draft guys in the slots with which their talents belong.
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by aaronb on Nov 23, 2025 11:08 AM EST reply actions
which guys in the past few years have fallen to the big market teams?
renaudo? brackman? yeah…you they can have em
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by billybeingbilly on Nov 23, 2025 11:31 AM EST up reply actions
Guys slide for sign-ability issues all the time
Matt Weiters falling to 5th
Mark Prior and Mark Texiera sliding
Luke Hochevar his Jr. year
Aaron Crow
Matt Harrington
Matt Purke and Anthony Rendon this past year
Josh Bell and Dillon Maples were 1st round talents
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by aaronb on Nov 23, 2025 11:59 AM EST up reply actions
how many of those guys went to big market teams?
prior wasnt a money pick…the twins passed b/c they could get a hometown guy who was the 2nd best player in the draft..rendon dropped due to health…if it was due to money, the royals wouldnt have paid starling more than rendon, etcc
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by billybeingbilly on Nov 23, 2025 12:11 PM EST up reply actions
mauer was the #2 guy in the draft....
obviously thats not how it turned out
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by billybeingbilly on Nov 26, 2025 1:47 AM EST up reply actions
+1
This. It’s easy to forget, but Prior was viewed the way Strasburg was.
by GuyinNY on Nov 27, 2025 12:41 PM EST up reply actions
Of course, that's not what happens at all
Unless you consider Kansas City, Pittsburgh, Toronto, Tampa Bay, et cetera big markets.
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by Jeff Reese on Nov 23, 2025 11:34 AM EST up reply actions
Toronto certainly!
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by Matt0330 on Nov 23, 2025 11:51 AM EST up reply actions
I was thinking the same thing
Toronto is a much more economically powerful city than it seems to get credit for.
by mrkupe on Nov 23, 2025 11:54 AM EST up reply actions
Looking through a baseball perspective?
I have only been to Toronto once, so I can’t speak on it intelligently, but I can’t imagine there being a big baseball market there.
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by Jeff Reese on Nov 23, 2025 12:12 PM EST up reply actions
Exactly
Just like I would have a hard time calling the Steelers a small market team in football.
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by Jeff Reese on Nov 23, 2025 1:06 PM EST up reply actions
Pittsburgh has spent on the draft 1 year
Tampa didn’t go big over slot. They just stockpiled a bunch of picks. Kansas City took Mike Moustakaus 1st overall because Matt Wieters had huge bonus demands.
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by aaronb on Nov 23, 2025 12:01 PM EST up reply actions
Pittsburgh has spent heavily on the draft for the past 3 years
Small market teams (aside from Boston) have been the ones exploiting the system. The large market teams generally just focus on free agents.
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by Jeff Reese on Nov 23, 2025 12:07 PM EST up reply actions
And that should be 4 years for the Pirates
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by Jeff Reese on Nov 23, 2025 12:25 PM EST up reply actions
moustakas wasnt even the number 1 pick...
and he wasnt cheap at all
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by billybeingbilly on Nov 23, 2025 12:12 PM EST up reply actions
Josh Vitters was high in that draft and he wasn't cheap either
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by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Nov 23, 2025 6:47 PM EST up reply actions
the results arent the point...
he wasnt attacking the evaluation of the talent, he was saying the royals took moose b/c he was ‘cheap’
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by billybeingbilly on Nov 23, 2025 11:29 PM EST up reply actions
Draft Spending
Over the last three years, something like six of the top 8 draft spenders have been what we would consider small market teams.
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by rwperu34 on Nov 23, 2025 5:20 PM EST up reply actions
Small Market vs. Big Market
It seems to me that one of the competitive advantages that a small market team has is its ability to sign overslot players in the draft and to build out a strong international scouting department to get cheaper Latino talent, where as a big market team will just go in a sign all the high priced Free Agents. Certainly signing rookies and is cheaper than chasing free agents even if the draftee wants big money.
By limiting draft spending and International spending it hurts the smaller market teams more than the big market clubs because the big market clubs can still go out and sign any high priced star.
by James Westfall on Nov 23, 2025 12:35 PM EST up reply actions
Advantage?
I don’t think so. All teams have the ability to sign overslot talent, the big market teams to a much greater extent than the small market teams. Nobody is more agressive than the Red Sox in going overslot consistantly. Ask them how this works in their favor.
by ttnorm on Nov 23, 2025 12:40 PM EST up reply actions
How is that an advantage to small markets?
In every other sport teams pick in inverse order depending on how their records were the previous year.
In the NFL or the NBA, a team picks the best available player on the board and tries to build the best team they can.
In MLB baseball, for FAR TOO LONG, a team has to weigh the cost of signing said player at least as much as the overall talent of that prospect.
That is just a flawed way to divvy up talent. And ultimately I think that is the plan here.
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by aaronb on Nov 23, 2025 1:28 PM EST up reply actions
international signings
have been dominated by the big market teams (Yankees, Rangers, Mariners, Mets, Astros…Cubs too have recently gotten more involved).
I really don’t get the small market losing leverage because of this agreement argument. I think there other colorable arguments—losing top athletes to other sports (maybe, but I don’t think widespread) artificially limiting the signing of international FAs and thereby harming the wallets of Latin American youths (from a socioeconomic perspective, compelling).
by PrincetonCubs on Nov 23, 2025 2:16 PM EST up reply actions
Speaking of Internationals
Just wondering if they go to an Intl Draft how this will impact all the MLB schools in the DR and Venezuela.
Also,
Bonus Regulation of International Amateur Players
A. Beginning in the 2013-2014 signing period (July 2, 2025 - June 15, 2025), Clubs
may trade a portion of their Signing Bonus Pool, subject to certain restrictions.
I know we are working very much in the dark but this could be quite a tool in the hands of a sharp GM. Anybody have any insight how this might flesh out?
It seems on the surface that both the Intl Draft and the trading of cap dollars provide some disincentive to scouting the Internationals. It will be interesting to see who takes advantage.
by ttnorm on Nov 23, 2025 3:04 PM EST up reply actions
thinking
Thinking and reading more about this, I’m not as worried as I initially was. It sounds like the bonus pools will be big enough that the important guys will still get signed, but middle-talent high school guys are more likely to go to college or (especially) junior college for guys who don’t have great grades or lots of money.
I think we will see the following
1) a lot of complaints about how it will ruin everything
2) some smarter teams figuring out how to game the system around the edges somehow
3) college baseball and junior college baseball gets better but
4) all but the elite college juniors get smaller bonuses
5) a few players are lost to other sports, but not as many as the pessimists believe
6) no diminuation in talent from Latin America and elsewhere
7) no discernable impact on competitive balance
8) the fears about it ruining everything don’t come true
by John Sickels on Nov 23, 2025 5:19 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
They very well could make the slot figures large enough to make the rules impotent
But that doesn’t make the intent any less loathsome.
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by Jeff Reese on Nov 23, 2025 6:08 PM EST up reply actions
You really loathe the intent of the rules?
They’re simply trying to take some of leverage back from draft picks. They’re the last major sport to do so. They’re more than a decade behind the NBA and even the NFL had a similar limit on the amount of signing bonuses teams could hand out based on draft slot. Honestly, compared to the other major sports, they seem to have the least restrictive rules when it comes to paying draft picks.
If you’re going to complain about anything, complain about the restrictions for guys with less than 6 years of service time who have actually proven themselves and earned a spot in the bigs.
by nixa37 on Nov 23, 2025 6:55 PM EST up reply actions
Yes
I couldn’t care less what other sports do. I hate the draft and what it represents. Why should a player “prove” himself when he would get significantly more money off of his potential if he weren’t forced to deal with only one potential employer? Why should I side with the owners who are artificially depressing these young players’ earnings? I have nothing but contempt for both the MLBPA and the owners for further screwing over the non-union members.
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by Jeff Reese on Nov 23, 2025 7:33 PM EST up reply actions
Well you're just ignoring reality then
How many jobs are there out there where the best of the best don’t see their earnings seriously depressed early in their careers until they prove themselves? I understand the desire for some perfect free market utopia, but it just doesn’t work in the real world. If the free market were able to completely take over in the sports realm, they’d largely cease to exist simply because smaller markets would never be able to compete with the largest markets.
Honestly, I feel like your viewpoint relies on a big oversimplification. Basically, you’re saying that if we went to a free market, everything would stay the same, except draft picks would get paid more fairly. I don’t think things would stay the same under the sort of model you’re suggesting. I think we’d see a much less successful sport where in all honesty draft picks may get paid less anyway because teams wouldn’t be pulling in nearly as much money. You may hate it, but collective bargaining was created for a reason.
by nixa37 on Nov 23, 2025 8:06 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
How many jobs are there where the best of the best are forced to negotiate with one company?
If they refuse, they can either go back to school or look for work in another occupation.
I didn’t suggest breaking up the MLB guild in my post, nor did I suggest if it were to happen that things would stay the same. If it did, you would likely see 3 or 4 teams in those large markets as there would be entrepreneurs that see the massive profits that the Yankees are making and be drawn into that field. No one can really say what it would look like.
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by Jeff Reese on Nov 23, 2025 8:27 PM EST up reply actions
This gets into whether MLB is one single company with 30 franchises or 30 companies
I think there is a very compelling argument to be made that MLB just happens to be the only company in its field and they simply assign which of their franchises you will work for through a draft (many major national companies don’t let fresh hires decide where they’re going to work).
And I didn’t say you suggested breaking up MLB. I simply said that I thought your idea of a Utopian free market could destroy MLB. And by claiming draft picks would be better off in a free market you were assuming there would be no negative side effects with having that system as opposed to the current one. Yes, on a single, case-by-case basis a free market may seem like the best system, but upon a more macro viewing I think it would a horrible thing for not only MLB, but the very draft picks you seem to think are hurt by the current system.
by nixa37 on Nov 23, 2025 8:35 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
If i was a team picking #2 overall in a year where there was an average draft, and the next year you knew it was LOADED
I would intentially draft some kid and offer him the minimum. Not the $6.2 MM recomended slot lets say… 2.0M and nothing more, then he forgoes signing with you and you get to spend you’re pool of money highly on you’re next few draft round picks that year and reel in some other young prosects other teams might shy away from due to money.
And then next year you’re left with a top 3 pick in the draft thats loaded in addition to you’re present day 1st rounder.
I don’t know John, I’m with you in that its not as bad as it initially sounded but It still needs work IMO.
I’ve also heard , that as an example, the Astros #1 overall pick this year is slotted at around $ 7.2MM and if you take a guy and offer him more than 5 % of that recommended slot you get a HUGE luxury tax down on you and you lose you’re 1st round pick the following year. - So THATS A hard cap right there. If you get a one in a generation talent like a Strasburg, Harper go for it but you might not be picking in round 1 next year.
I suppose the guy being taken has less leverage and therefor better sign for at least near rec. slot because he ain’t going to be getting anymore money the following year, then again this CBA arrangment is only 5 years.
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by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Nov 23, 2025 6:55 PM EST reply actions
Ultimately what will happen
Is the elite guys will take slot or risk being a Matt Harrington. The guys who need the money or don’t care about school will sign. The on the fence bonus babies of the past will start going to college instead.
In many ways MLB is better for more kids going to school. It’s 3 extra years to evaluate a kid before making a financial commitment.
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by aaronb on Nov 23, 2025 7:09 PM EST up reply actions
and less years of superstar players in the mlb
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by billybeingbilly on Nov 23, 2025 11:43 PM EST up reply actions
You could but
I would intentially draft some kid and offer him the minimum. Not the $6.2 MM recomended slot lets say… 2.0M and nothing more, then he forgoes signing with you and you get to spend you’re pool of money highly on you’re next few draft round picks that year and reel in some other young prosects other teams might shy away from due to money.
You are either drafting someone with really good talent but then spending that money on lesser talents further in the draft or you are deliberately drafting a lesser player early (thereby passing on better talent). Either way, I don’t think it makes sense to not draft the best talent available and then offer roughly slot money.
The new draft is intended to order the draft from greater talent/potential to lesser with signabilty becoming largely a non-issue. I do agree that teams will be using “there’s only so much money in the pot, so you better sign early to ensure you get some” as a tactic.
by siggian on Nov 24, 2025 11:42 AM EST up reply actions
Does unsigned draft pick compensation remain the same?
Was thinking that some team (Hypothetically let’s say the Blue Jays) with multiple 1st round picks this year could draft that guy with huge talent but wants a ton more money then slot, then draft a bunch of other premium guys, offer the other guys peanuts and use that slot space to sign the uber-talented guy, thus deny the other premium guys they drafted to rival clubs, lose no draft picks (because they just get punted to the next year), get penalized nothing (because they technically don’t exceed their allocation) and end up with draft talent in excess of their standings.
I realize that they’d lose leverage the next year since it would be unprotected but the amateurs will lose a lot of leverage under the new CBA anyways so it would basically balance out anyways. No?
by Parallex on Nov 23, 2025 11:51 PM EST reply actions
Except for the part where you piss off the agents of all those players you drafted with no intent to sign
Agents don’t hold a grudge or have that much power though, right? I’m sure nothing bad would come of such a plan…
by nixa37 on Nov 24, 2025 12:16 AM EST up reply actions
conceptually yes, that would make sense
nixa makes a good point, but an organization could always just draft a bunch of players who have no intention of signing anyways. Counter-drafting is almost always a really, really dumb idea, though.
The real catch of course is that having a large number of early picks is about to go by the wayside, so few teams will be able to even consider such a strategy. FA compensation picks are going to come at the end of the first round, so a lot of the very best talent will be gone, and teams are going to have to prioritize their spending much more so than in the past.
by mrkupe on Nov 24, 2025 1:23 AM EST up reply actions
Ugh.
The incentive for high school draftees to sign is being drastically reduced, meaning that more of these players will attend college. In turn, more two-sport athletes will likely choose football or basketball over baseball, as college baseball does not offer the same scholarship perks.
In terms of international talent, it screws over teams that have dedicated themselves to scouting in the Dominican, Venezuela, Mexico, Europe, et al. I would argue it’s also fairly discriminatory against said talent, but I suppose that may be alleviated by an international draft…
The reasoning behind this, I’m guessing, was to allow owners to pocket more money and allow current players to make fewer concessions by screwing over future MLBPA members. It’s disgraceful, shortsighted, and very, very bad for the future of the sport.
by Vega-0021 on Nov 24, 2025 9:49 AM EST reply actions
Not sure I agree
I think a lot of high school draftees will still sign, but now they will sign early to start their clock earlier. The earlier picks just won’t be getting the same amount of money up front as signing bonuses. The rule changes won’t affect the players selected after the 10th round because they weren’t getting much money anyway.
by siggian on Nov 24, 2025 11:47 AM EST up reply actions
The sky is falling, the sky is falling!!!
Do people seriously buy this stuff? How many high school draftees are really going to forego signing because they don’t get that extra 100K-200K, especially when they know they’ll be facing a similar situation with lower slots in the future along with reduced leverage due to being a college junior? Do you really think anyone but the most elite football and basketball (who mostly already lean basketball anyway) prospects will forego a bunch of money just on the chance they could possibly make more money down the road in another sport?
These two sport guys are just using their other sport as leverage. Bubba Starling was never going to play football at Nebraska unless he got completely low-balled by the team drafting him. He’s not an elite prospect and likely would never be more than a mid round pick in football, where he’d end up getting a signing bonus in the hundreds of thousands a minimum of 3 years later if things went well. The only recent prospect I could actually see this rule affecting would have been Jarrett Lee.
Oh, and two sport guys can still play both sports in college. Its not like they have to choose one or another because of the amount of scholarship money. In fact, if you want to play another sport in addition to football, you have to sign a football scholarship in the first place (so teams don’t use other sports scholarships to slip around signing and scholarship limits for football, so baseball guys who also play football have to have a full scholarship to begin with.
The reasoning behind this was simply to take some leverage away from draft picks. I will never understand the people who say this is disgraceful, shortsighted and bad for the future of the sport. You do realize that MLB is way behind the NFL and the NBA in terms of restricting the amount draft picks can make, right? And its really hurt those sports too I guess…
by nixa37 on Nov 24, 2025 12:23 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
I think you make a number of great points here
The new system is baseball in even better for high-caliber draftees, because there’s no actual cap, soft or hard, on any individual draft slot. The flexibility built into the system is very impressive, IMO.
I don’t think large draft bonuses are necessarily a bad thing, but I’m totally on board with saying that a system in which any organization can essentially say, “I like him . . .and him . . .and him . . .which do I choose? Oh wait, I don’t have to!” just doesn’t make a whole lot of sense. Amateur talent acquisition really shouldn’t be an anything-goes free-for-all, regardless of whether it’s the Red Sox or the Pirates doing the acquiring.
Of course, the thing that would REALLY tie all of this together would be a cap on major league salaries along the same lines, not that we’re getting that one anytime soon.
by mrkupe on Nov 24, 2025 1:46 PM EST up reply actions
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The idea here, according to those singing its praises, is that this new CBA will help with competitive balance, helping small market teams sign talent by eliminating ‘signability’ issues in both the draft and the IFA market. I’m not sure if that’s funny, depressing, or some combination of both.
Teams like the Royals, Pirates, and Rays have invested heavily in those areas in recent years, and their farm systems (and in some cases their teams) have benefited from those investments quite a bit. The ability to outbid and outwork teams like the Yankees in said marketplaces has now been all but eliminated … hand-in-hand with what will likely be a lesser talent pool.
Is it really that difficult to see that this hurts small market teams at least as much as it hurts the Yankees, Red Sox, Phillies, et al?
by Vega-0021 on Nov 25, 2025 10:18 PM EST up reply actions
And the IFA changes..
Beginning next winter, teams with poor records will be able to spend more money on international free agency. A team like the Pirates will benefit from this to a degree, but successful teams like the Blue Jays and Rays will be hurt, and the on-the-rise Royals may, as well.
This is all terrible, terrible change for the league.
by Vega-0021 on Nov 25, 2025 10:19 PM EST up reply actions
yes, it is
The fact is that the amateur market was completely and utterly uncontrolled, and left open to exploitation by anybody who chose to do so. Some organizations that did so were from large markets (Boston), some were small markets (Pittsburgh, Kansas City). It really doesn’t matter who was doing it, though, and if you’re going to complain that large market teams like the Yankees and Red Sox enjoy a competitive advantage through the uncontrolled capability to spend on major league talent, you’ve got to do the same regarding those who exploit the uncontrolled capability to spend on amateur talent.
I’m all for the development of a more level competitive environment (that MLB has encouraged the opposite is a major reason why baseball’s popularity has fallen off in recent decades), but the previous system governing amateur/international talent acquisition was an absolute mess.
After thinking about it all, the biggest problem I have with the new system is that the penalty for excessive draft spending involves the forfeiture of first round draft picks. This goes completely against the recent efforts to make the MLB draft an event of greater stature. It’s not hard to imagine some teams choosing to just forget about ever drafting in the first round and having the ability to spend on the draft at will.
by mrkupe on Nov 26, 2025 4:47 PM EST up reply actions
Capping the amateur draft and such...
Hurts small market teams, though. Or, rather, the non-juggernaut financial teams. The MLB tried to create more competition - they ended up hurting it more.
The Rays and Blue Jays routinely draft near the middle of the pack, perhaps even in the bottom-third of the round. It hurts any team that has had success or is poised for success due to their aggressiveness in the draft. Should the Royals contend this year, they will find themselves with less money to spend in the draft in the following amateur draft … it sets in motion a vicious cycle.
While this may not be a ‘straight slotting system,’ it’s pretty damn close, considering the steep penalties for going over recommended slot money and the draft cap itself. BA pointed out that upwards of twenty teams would have at least lost a draft pick following this year’s draft.
At the very least, it’s a de facto slotting system.
The fact is that the amateur market was completely and utterly uncontrolled, and left open to exploitation by anybody who chose to do so. Some organizations that did so were from large markets (Boston), some were small markets (Pittsburgh, Kansas City)
Capping the IFA system and forcing every player to register before being signed eliminates bidding wars (which the aforementioned teams have won several times) and negates any advantage gained by having academies in the Dominican Republic or Venezuela. Part of the reason those teams were able to bring such prolific talent on-board was their ability to wine and dine them while stashing them away within their academies. It wasn’t exploitative - it was competitive.
by Vega-0021 on Nov 26, 2025 10:50 PM EST up reply actions
If the Royals contend this year, they’ll enjoy the perks of that success. Yes they will have a lower spending number in the following draft, but that is relatively insignificant compared to actual on-the-field success. The goal is to have well-run, competitive organizations that attract community involvement and investment as a result of those two traits - if the Royals are in such a dire situation that actually trying to win is such a terrible proposition that it’s not worth the trouble, then MLB has a much bigger problem on its hands than just trying to create a more level competitive environment.
The fact that 20+ teams would have lost a pick this year provides great reasons why this system probably won’t really make that much of a difference. First, you’ve got the “everybody’s doing it” factor - with every team that decides that spending at will is worth the loss of a pick or two, the downside for other teams to make the same decision decreases (more forfeited picks = more talent drops). Besides, as we’ve seen, high-priced talent can drop in the draft anyways, and premium talent can be had at any almost any point in the draft provided an organization will pay. Even with a tax on spending, talent acquisition through the draft will remain far and away the best bargain in MLB.
In other words, the draft budget system might be a dumb idea, but it’s not a dumb idea because of the way it supposedly threatens small market teams. It’s a dumb idea because the first round of the 2015 MLB draft is going be about six picks long.
As for your comments about the international market . . .are you serious? We’re talking about players who often come from exceptionally poor backgrounds, who are represented by agents who often have anything but the player’s best interests at heart (and who take a massive chunk of their clients’ signing bonuses), who are signed at an age at which you and I would be in high school. These are not players who are “wined and dined”, these are 15, 16, 17 year olds who ARE consistently exploited.
by mrkupe on Nov 27, 2025 9:03 AM EST up reply actions
All of these regulations which limit the amount of money that teams can invest in amateur players actually serve to increase the value of established major league players, especially star free agents. Fewer star amateur athletes will choose baseball over other sports when the spending on amateur players is limited in this way hence diluting the talent pool. That means that the players who do emerge as stars will be that much more valuable. A team’s ability to spend money in order to acquire talent through the draft and international free agency will be severely diminished because of this new CBA and that means that the only area that a team can spend money to find stars is in free agency or by trading for big ticket major leaguers who cannot be afforded by their present team.
Both the owners and the union are screwing over the long term talent level that will be present in the game as well as the competitive balance that will exist. I think this whole arrangement is unconscionable. As fans we are being completely screwed here. The quality of players that we will see is going to be that much lower and what talent that does exist is going to be concentrated on a smaller number of teams.
I sincerely hope that I am dead wrong about all of this, but it looks to me like what success less wealthy teams are able to find is likely to be pretty ephemeral.
So, the Royals contend this year - but how high’s are their chances when they can’t afford their top-flight players during free agency? They don’t have too much blockbuster talent in the minors due to the dilution of the amateur pool. What happens then?
by Vega-0021 on Nov 27, 2025 2:10 PM EST up reply actions
not hard to figure out
If they can’t sign those players to long-term deals, they can tender an offer to provide for draft compensation. That’s pretty nice considering the number of additional draft picks is about to drop drastically.
I agree that the overall talent level in the game will probably be diminished a little, but it’s hard to know the extent of that just yet. The guys who were planning on playing pro baseball at some point are still going to sign, they just might choose to do so after 1-3 years of college. The guys this really affects are the players who were otherwise intending to play other sports and signed away. There’s maybe a handful of those types every year, and even fewer than that do anything meaningful in pro baseball.
Now, let’s say you’re right and there IS a talent drain. Would we even notice it? You’d have lower caliber pitchers against lower caliber batters, for the most part. Perhaps some more extreme high-end performance. Lower quality defense. And of course, you might have some players who would have been only decent previously emerge as stars. This would probably be the worst case . . .the most likely scenario sees many of these things occur but on a nearly imperceptible level, like the effect that dropping a stone into the ocean has on planetary movement.
I’m just totally baffled by your sky is falling attitude. Yes, it isn’t a good thing that the CBA didn’t touch spending at the major league level (of course, that more than anything is probably why the negotiations went so smoothly). These changes still represent a move in the right direction.
by mrkupe on Nov 27, 2025 2:43 PM EST up reply actions
BA pointed out that upwards of twenty teams would have at least lost a draft pick following this year’s draft.
This is a completely meaningless point for a few reasons. First, they’re basing it off of this year’s recommended slots, but we’ve already heard that there is going to be ~50% more money in terms of the slots for next years draft. Second, teams didn’t have to worry about it this year, and in fact knew this might be the last uncapped year, so they were willing to spend even more. Third, teams didn’t have the extra leverage to negotiate prospects down on bonuses this year that they will have in the future now that the rules are in place.
by nixa37 on Nov 27, 2025 12:17 PM EST up reply actions
I agree that more guys will likely attend college
However I don’t see that as a bad thing overall. It will allow
a) More time for these kids to develop and mature
b) More time for clubs to evaluate who they want to invest millions of dollars in
One of the nice side effects of the NBA 1and done rule is that it consolidates players into the college ranks for better evaluation. Over time you will have a better idea of how good a kid from Utah is as compared to a kid from Florida.
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by aaronb on Nov 24, 2025 3:10 PM EST up reply actions
Lottery
I want to know more about this lottery thing. Ten smallest markets and ten lowest payrolls entered inton a 6 pick lottery….. Thoughts?
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by 306008 on Nov 24, 2025 12:03 PM EST via mobile reply actions
lottery
I’ve always hated the lottery concept with the NBA, so I’m not sure I like this
by John Sickels on Nov 24, 2025 1:02 PM EST up reply actions
Seems like it will be a bonus gift
Im assuming it will count in the cap. Looks like 6 bonus 1st round picks and 6 bonus 2nd round picks. Could teams double up on this? Will teams keep MLB payroll down anticipating an extra pick? We need to figure out market size and payroll now.
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by 306008 on Nov 24, 2025 1:21 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
And is the lottery round before or after the supplemental round?
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by 306008 on Nov 24, 2025 1:23 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I don't like the sound/ thought of it at all
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