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mr. maniac's Top 30 Prospects of the Tampa Bay Rays


Here is my ranking of the Ray's top 30 prospects.

1. Matt Moore LHP

2. Hak-Ju Lee SS

3. Drew Vettleson OF

4. Enny Romero LHP

5. Taylor Guerrieri RHP

6. Mikie Mahtook OF

7. Tim Beckham SS

8. Alex Torres LHP

9. Parker Markel RHP

10. Ryan Brett 2B

11. Josh Sale OF

12. Brandon Guyer OF

13. Chris Archer RHP

14. Alex Colome RHP

15. Jake Hager SS

16. Derek Dietrich SS

17. Tyler Goeddel 3B

18. Felipe Rivero RHP

19. Tyler Bortnick 2B

20. Granden Goetzman OF

21. Jeff Malm 1B

22. Johnny Eierman OF

23. Oscar Hernandez C

24. Braulio Lara LHP

25. Russ Canzler DH

26. Justin O'Conner C

27. Brandon Martin SS

28. Jeff Ames RHP

29. Jake Thompson RHP

30. Lenny Linsky LHP

 

Others(in no particular order): Wilking Rodriguez, Grayson Garvin, Matt Bush, Kes Carter, James Harris, Ty Morrison, Cameron Seitzer, Joseph Cruz, Andrew Bellatti, Chris Carpenter, Marquis Fleming, Matt Spann, Blake Snell, Kyle Lobstein, and C.J. Riefenhauser.

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A few thoughts of mine......

-- This system is clearly one of the top 3 in baseball for me. Arizona has a good one, but the Ray's has more depth. I am also cautious when a system "shoots up" as it normally means several prospects having better than normal years.

-- I count five prospects who would probably be top 100 for me. They are Moore, Hak-Ju Lee, Vettleson, Romero, and Guerrieri. The latter two would barely slip in at the end.

-- There are only twelve hitters on the list compared to 18 pitchers. The Rays hitting depth is very impressive right now.

-- Once again, 1B and C prospects are few and far between. Sad.

-- Between Bush, Linsky, and Fleming, the Rays have several good relief prospects.

-- I would give C+ or better grades to all of the top 30 and maybe a few more.

 

Thoughts? Discussion? Questions?


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Id put Oscar Hernandez higher up

He’s been really good, with power at a very young age. I like him

by The Chair of Knowledge on Nov 14, 2025 9:40 PM EST reply actions  

Hmmm

Well I’ve been one of the more outspoken against Hernandez. I don’t mind him at 23, but he’d be closer to 30th if not outside the top 30 all together. I’d have Dietrich higher for sure, and Wilking Rodriguez should be a top 20 guy I think, or borderline at least. I disagree with having 5 top 100 prospects too, though the top 5 is reasonably ranked in my opinion.

by auclairkeithbc on Nov 14, 2025 9:46 PM EST up reply actions  

I would too

I am more of an upside whore though so he would be high up for me.

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by King Billy Royal on Nov 15, 2025 6:50 PM EST up reply actions  

What is his upside?

It’s not a matter of him being far away, it’s that the only thing we know about him is that he posted video game numbers in Venezuela. That doesn’t say anything about his potential.

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by Jeff Reese on Nov 15, 2025 7:02 PM EST up reply actions  

This.

Until we get some type of scouting report on him, we really don’t know his upside.

by mr. maniac on Nov 15, 2025 7:34 PM EST up reply actions  

His numbers lead me to believe his bat could be special

His numbers were insane for his age regardless of the league. I would rather take a chance on a kid like him rather than someone like Jeff Malm.

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by King Billy Royal on Nov 15, 2025 8:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Why does it lead you to that belief?

We have no way of interpreting these VSL numbers. To steal ttnorm’s example, this is like projecting greatness based off of a draftee’s HS statistics.

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by Jeff Reese on Nov 15, 2025 8:47 PM EST up reply actions  

And that's even leaving aside the ridiculous home park

Which makes the numbers even tougher to project than the opposition talent level alone would.

by nixa37 on Nov 15, 2025 8:54 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm not saying it is totally reasonable

Sometimes we just have a hunch on a guy and like him without the best reasoning behind it. I guess since I was on the Hernandez train so early that it is hard for me to jump off (or get out of the way depending how you look at it) but I will stick with my gut on this one.

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by King Billy Royal on Nov 15, 2025 10:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Oscar Hernandez is only 18

Last year in the minors he hit .402 with a .503 OBP and 21 HRs and 66 RBIs.

How is that not impressive?

by The Chair of Knowledge on Nov 14, 2025 10:14 PM EST reply actions  

It was in Venezuela.

In a crazy offensive park. There is a reason to be very skeptical.

by jtmorgan on Nov 14, 2025 10:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh... I didn't know it was in Venezuela

So those stats shouldnt be taken very serious?

by The Chair of Knowledge on Nov 14, 2025 10:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Well in general, they can't be taken too too seriously

But specifically, his home park in the VSL is extremely suspect. The hitters and pitchers for his team hit/gave up 82 HR at home and 24 HR on the road. Hernandez had a league average (roughly) HR per outfield fly ball rate on the road (12%) and a historic HR per outfield fly ball rate at home (66.7%). So his power numbers have to be taken with a grain of salt. He is probably a slightly better power hitter than the average VSL player. He did hit for an impressive average (fueled quite a bit by BABIP and that HR rate at home), and he walked a lot as well. Adjusting for the park influences, he still had one of the better offensive seasons in the VSL over the last few years, so he is someone who should be on the radar. We just need to see what he does in another park and another league before getting too excited.

by auclairkeithbc on Nov 14, 2025 10:50 PM EST up reply actions  

The bigger question

is the lack of competition. From what I hear, the VSL is akin to a good HS league.

by ttnorm on Nov 14, 2025 11:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Regarding Oscar.....

The Rays Venezuelan park appears to be hitter crazy, with the Rays team leading the league in HRs and Oscar hitting a ton of homers at home.

All we have on Oscar is a pretty stat line. But is there much difference between that league and HS competition?

by mr. maniac on Nov 14, 2025 10:37 PM EST up reply actions  

mr. m

beats me to the point.

by ttnorm on Nov 14, 2025 11:48 PM EST up reply actions  

indeed

If anything, Hernandez at 23 is very generous. Just too many unknowns at the moment.

by mrkupe on Nov 15, 2025 12:55 AM EST up reply actions  

Yep

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by Jeff Reese on Nov 15, 2025 10:08 AM EST up reply actions  

Couple thoughts

I’d take Mahtook over Vettleson, and I’m pretty sure Vettleson wouldn’t crack my top 100.

I think you have to put Brandon Martin over Goetzman and Eierman, just because the Rays clearly thought more of him, even though I think Goetzman and Eierman were the bigger names heading into the draft and are quite toolsy so I can understand why you did.

I’d take Tyler Goeddel over Josh Sale. And I think you have O’Connor and Sale too far apart from each other, they were both poor hitting-wise in the Appy, more so O’Connor, but they are at different ends of the defensive spectrum.

by bigboy1234 on Nov 14, 2025 10:19 PM EST reply actions  

Regarding Vettleson and Mahtook....

They both recieve the same grade for me. 3-6 are all interchangeable to me.

I’m not the biggest fan of Martin. While his defense seems to be a positive heading forward, I am not a firm believer in his bat. While the Rays may think he is better, I am going to have to disagree. The Rays may be smarter than me, but prospecting is not an exact science.

Josh Sale’s year just appears fishy to me. I would not be surprised to see him comje out and have an excellent year next year. Truth be told, it he puts up another similar year, I might drop him off the list. His ranking is basically assuming that 2011 was an extreme outlier.

I prefer Sale to O’Conner despite O’Conner’s potential on defense. While Sale had solid discipline, O’Conner struck out at an incredible rate. His power is good, but the K rate makes me really really scared.

by mr. maniac on Nov 14, 2025 10:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Like the list

It is all depth beyond Moore. But what depth. A few B- guys. A truck full of C+ guys with high ceilings. Probably get 4 solid MLBers out of the top 30 and a sleeper beyond that. That’s a top system.

by ttnorm on Nov 14, 2025 11:54 PM EST reply actions  

I think you are way too low on Torres

if he was in many organizations he would already have been in their Major league rotation or at the very least pencilled in for 2012, unfortunately for him he is behind Price, Shields, Hellickson, Davis, Neimann, Moore, and Cobb. I would have him 3 or 4 (only because I’m real high on Beckham too) but probably 3. I don’t know what the Rays plans are for Torres and maybe he ends up like Talbot, Jackson, or Hammel where he gets traded and ends up working his way in another organization or they Sonnanstine him and stick him in the back end of the pen.

by Dbullsfan on Nov 15, 2025 1:47 AM EST reply actions  

I am a big and firm believer in Torres' stuff.

I would say his fastball is above average to plus, his changeup is plus-plus, and his curve is above average to plus.

However, I can’t ignore the fact that he has a huge control issue. If he could bring it down to 3/4 per 9 innings, that would be great. But at this point, his command/control is a serious issue. It is a testimony of his stuff that he has managed to keep his ERA low.

by mr. maniac on Nov 15, 2025 9:24 AM EST up reply actions  

Guerrieri

I think he is fine at 5, but I think by the end of the upcoming season he could skyrocket up to #2 or #3. I like Guerrieri’s stuff, we’ll see how it translates in the minors from high school.

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by punto4mvp on Nov 15, 2025 9:55 AM EST reply actions  

I take it this list prioritizes upside over expected value?

On EV, Torres and Guyer have to be in the top 5. I would probably go something like Moore/Lee/Torres/Guyer/Beckham, with Romero, Archer and Guerreri next in line.

Also: I’m happy I’ve finally found someone who’s even more wildly optimistic about Josh Sale than I am!

by AndrewTorrez on Nov 15, 2025 10:25 AM EST reply actions  

I try to take both expected value and upside into consideration.

With that in mind, Guyer has a very nice stat line, but I have yet to be convinced he will hit at the MLB level. And if he doesn’t, you are looking at the fourth OF. Torres, likewise, has major concerns regarding control. It is entirely possible that he struggles at the MLB level, given that not every effectively wild pitcher translates well into the big leagues.

Obviously, you could bring the arguement that Romero has control problems and such. However, he showed progression throughout the year, and I think it is reasonable to expect him to gain some command.

I think Josh Sale’s year was a strange outlier. I wouldn’t be surprised to see him hit great next year.

by mr. maniac on Nov 15, 2025 10:32 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm not a huge Guyer fan

when I see him all I can see is Matt Murton 2.0

by Dbullsfan on Nov 15, 2025 12:20 PM EST up reply actions  

again, I think you guys are way underselling him

He’s a tools prospect who finally put everything together at AA in 2010; the Rays promoted him to AAA, and he hit the snot out of the ball again. Obviously I wish he could double his walk rate, but even without that you’re looking at Nelson Cruz as his reasonable upside.

A guy with a floor as a lefty-mashing backup CF with power and a ceiling of Nelson Cruz is a hell of a prospect.

by AndrewTorrez on Nov 15, 2025 5:44 PM EST up reply actions  

This should answer the Oscar questions.

http://www.raysprospects.com/2011/11/chattin-with-chaim-bloom-part-i.html

So, they have there own version of the green monster. Except shorter and smaller.

by mr. maniac on Nov 15, 2025 12:35 PM EST reply actions  

I like that he mentioned his defense, obviously there is a huge wait and see approach with this kid

but if he can maintain some offensive prowess and stay behind the plate the Rays could have themselves a gem.

by Dbullsfan on Nov 15, 2025 2:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Nick Barnese??

Any reason why Barnese is not on this list? He’s still only 22 and his minor league career #‘s are 27-22 in 417 innings with a 3.07 ERA and 374 K and 1.19 WHIP. Those are pretty solid #’s despite injuries. I would have him somewhere between 6-10.

by WebGems24 on Nov 15, 2025 12:41 PM EST reply actions  

Barnese has, as you stated, injury issues.

He also lacks much stuff, having the upside of a 4/5 starter. His fastball has movement, but his offspeed pitches never developed as people hoped when he was ranked alongside Moore years ago.

This past year, his BB/9 took a scary rise. As someone who doesn’t strike out many batter, Barnese needs to limit the walks, which he failed to do.

Top 50, but not top 30.

by mr. maniac on Nov 15, 2025 1:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Barnese is basically a RH version of Riefenhauser IMO

I would have CJR in my top 30 but at the very back end of it with Barnese some where in the 35-40 range.

by Dbullsfan on Nov 15, 2025 2:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Scouting Report

Hey Mr. Maniac or anyone with Rays knowledge,

Can you give me a brief scouting report on Enny Romero? what is your take on him and what do you think his career projection looks like?

by James Westfall on Nov 15, 2025 2:23 PM EST reply actions  

thanks

great links and don’t ever let anyone tell you you are not concise. lol

by James Westfall on Nov 15, 2025 3:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks

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by Jeff Reese on Nov 15, 2025 5:49 PM EST up reply actions  

I have a very good feeling about Romero.

He made some strides last year, and I heard good things from a guy who follows the team. Some guys never make enough adjustments to become future #1s (Colome looks like he might be an example), but a small amount do. I have a feeling Romero and Guerrieri can do that, so I ranked them very high while still holding off a little because of risk.

In a few years, it could be spot on or it could be a dreadful ranking.

by mr. maniac on Nov 15, 2025 5:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Mahtook should be #3

He is not a better prospect than Moore. But he could be the most productive fantasy player in their system.

by philc423 on Nov 15, 2025 6:22 PM EST reply actions  


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