Blue Jays Top 30 (post draft)

by Alfamale on Jun 10, 2025 12:40 PM EDT Comment 48 comments

(yes, i took the liberty of assuming a few of the '10 picks signed)

1. Kyle Drabek
2. Travis D'Arnaud
3. Brett Wallace
4. Chad Jenkins
5. Adeiny Hechavarria
6. Adam Loewen
7. Deck McGuire
8. Zach Stewart
9. JP Arencibia
10. Asher Wojciechowski
11. Henderson Alvarez
12. Tim Collins
13. Chris Lubanski
14. Mike McDade
15. Brad Emaus
16. David Cooper
17. Aaron Sanchez
19. John Tolisano
20. Eric Thames
21. Ryan Schimpf
21. Trystan Magnuson
22. Gustavo Pierre
23. Ryan Schimpf
24. Alan Farina
25. Brad Mills
26. Tyler Pastornicky
27. Ryan Goins
28. Balbino Fuenmayor
29. Jake Marisnick
30. Kris Hobson

where do you guys rate the jays system, 1-30?

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I think you're underrating Stewart

Stewart should at least be in the top 5 if not top 3

5 MORE YEARS OF FELIX!

by Marinerfanjake on Jun 10, 2025 12:47 PM EDT reply actions

To me that’s a tough sell given how incredibly underwhelming he’s been so far this year. Don’t get me wrong, I have plenty of problems with this list (see my comments below), but Stewart’s ranking is not one of them.

by jayjay on Jun 10, 2025 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions

You forgot #18 though probably because you have 2 #21’s. You also have Ryan Schimpf twice on the list(#21 and #23).

by hrv1978 on Jun 10, 2025 12:51 PM EDT reply actions

Forgot to mention

Moises Sierra. Hasn’t played at all this year but I think he is top 30 and probably should be at #18.

by hrv1978 on Jun 10, 2025 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions

I think Goins and Schimpf should trade places since Goins is hitting better at LowA Lansing.

by hrv1978 on Jun 10, 2025 12:55 PM EDT reply actions

Eh, it's an ok system

Fine depth, but outside of the lowest levels of the system, I jsut don’t see any star power. Looks like a group made up of a few guys who could be solid, if unspectacular, professionals

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by Mets2k9 on Jun 10, 2025 12:56 PM EDT reply actions

+1

My thoughts exactly.

by Kerm on Jun 10, 2025 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions

I don't know

I like their pitching depth. It’s not inconceivable that they could combine with the talent that there already is at the major league level to produce a significantly above average rotation. In terms of their hitting, they will clearly have to rely a lot on a big 3 of Lind/Hill/Snider - with Wallace and Arcenibia, it’s not inconceivable that this will be a respectable team, even in the AL East.

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by OldProspects on Jun 10, 2025 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions

*D'Arnaud

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by OldProspects on Jun 10, 2025 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions

I'm not saying the system can't make them competitive

What I’m saying is that the system lacks a player with true superstar potential, in my opinion.

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by Mets2k9 on Jun 10, 2025 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions

Sure

But that’s not the sole criteria of a good farm system. But i don’t think we’re disagreeing

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by OldProspects on Jun 10, 2025 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions

No disagreement

Of course depth is a big part of the system. I’m just saying that guys like Drabek, Wallace, etc who people are considering to be top tier talents will probably develop to be no better than solid contributers.

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by Mets2k9 on Jun 10, 2025 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions

(oops)

  1. Kyle Drabek
  2. Travis D’Arnaud
  3. Brett Wallace
  4. Chad Jenkins
  5. Adeiny Hechavarria
  6. Adam Loewen
  7. Deck McGuire
  8. Zach Stewart
  9. JP Arencibia
10. Asher Wojciechowski

11. Henderson Alvarez
12. Tim Collins
13. Chris Lubanski
14. Mike McDade
15. Brad Emaus
16. David Cooper
17. Aaron Sanchez
18. John Tolisano
19. Eric Thames
20. Ryan Schimpf

21. Trystan Magnuson
22. Gustavo Pierre
23. Alan Farina
24. Brad Mills
25. Tyler Pastornicky
26. Ryan Goins
27. Balbino Fuenmayor
28. Jake Marisnick
29. Kris Hobson
30. Kevin Ahrens

by Alfamale on Jun 10, 2025 1:00 PM EDT reply actions

Changes

You’re giving too much credit to old guys over the actual PROSPECTS in this system. Some rough quick changes that would help things a great deal:

- swap Marisnick and Loewen
- remove Lubanski and replace him w/ Carlos Perez
- swap Brad Mills and Mike McDade
- swap Tyler Pastornicky and David Cooper
- remove Alan Farina and replace him with AJ Jimenez

Wouldn’t be perfect, but it would be much closer to a real look at the Jays system if they do happen to sign all their picks.

by jayjay on Jun 10, 2025 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions

Definitely Agree

With Point #1

by killa on Jun 10, 2025 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions

My top 30

1. Kyle Drabek
  2. Travis D’Arnaud
  3. Brett Wallace
  4. Chad Jenkins
  5. Adeiny Hechavarria
  6. Adam Loewen
  7. Deck McGuire
  8. Zach Stewart
  9. JP Arencibia
10. Asher Wojciechowski
11. Henderson Alvarez
12. Tim Collins
13. Chris Lubanski
14. Mike McDade
15. Brad Emaus
16. David Cooper
17. Aaron Sanchez
18. John Tolisano
19. Eric Thames
20. Trystan Magnuson
21. Moises Sierra
22. Gustavo Pierre
23. Ryan Goins
24. Alan Farina
25. Brad Mills
26. Tyler Pastornicky
27. Ryan Schimpf
28. Balbino Fuenmayor
29. Jake Marisnick
30. Kris Hobson

by hrv1978 on Jun 10, 2025 1:01 PM EDT reply actions

Loewen?

I don’t see how he can be that high so far.

My Guys: Gillies, Pacheco, Drabek, Verlander, Ozuna, A Salcedo, S Rodriguez, and others.

by cwhitman412 on Jun 10, 2025 1:25 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs

+1

that’s the name that jumped out at me. See him more of a 4th OFer type. Would put him back at 10, possibly 9 with a good showing this year.

by BryceHarper on Jun 10, 2025 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions

Also...

whay is Deck McGuire so low. In my opinion, he is higher than everyone but their first three guys easily. Stewart is also insanely low on both lists.

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by joegonzo on Jun 10, 2025 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions

This

I’d have all of McGuire, Stewart(criminally underrated), Wojo, and Alvarez ahead of Loewen for sure, probably Emaus and Sanchez as well.

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by gatling on Jun 10, 2025 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions

How is Stewart criminally underrated!?! I just don’t get it. Was old for A+ last year, questionably K-rates and his fip of 5.06 this year isn’t exactly sparkling. He’s got potential, but he also has a LOT of issues (consistency being a huge one).

by jayjay on Jun 10, 2025 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions

Last year

was his first full year in pro ball and he wasn’t old for the level at 22. In your post above you don’t mention moving Jenkins from the #4 spot-he’s 22 in Low A, a level behind where Stewart started. Beyond the age non-issue though, he’s been switched around from relief to starting back to relief back to the rotation this year. Let the guy get settled into a role for a year how about? Stewart has a floor of a solid late inning reliever with potential to be a #2 starter if he can work out his control. There is plenty to like with him, and no way he should be behind a guy like Loewen.

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by gatling on Jun 10, 2025 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions

- Stewart was 23 last september, so calling him 22 is just playing with the #s. He was old for A+, you can’t just cut it off at the year.
- In my above post I made the most glaring changes, and I didn’t mention moving Stewart off 8th either. I went as far as to say it wouldn’t be perfect … quite frankly the original list was laughable in general to not have Marisnick or Perez … I agree Jenkins is lower than #4. That doesn’t change the fact that Stewart isn’t “criminally underrated”.
- Ugh, please with the let him get settled argument. Its not like they made him catch or play RF. He went from the bullpen in 2008 to SP in 2009 with no problem, but then he makes some relief apps in 2009 and starts in 2010 and it’s completely derailed him? I don’t buy it.
- Stewart’s control isn’t his ONLY problem, his secondary stuff needs work. After picking him up last year Dick Scott said: “His slider is a little inconsistent right now, he has the makings of a good change-up ..”.
- Fantastic point about him not being behind Loewen … of course that has nothing to do with what I said b/c I never said he should be behind Loewen and I went as far as to suggest Loewen being 28/29 on the list and you KNOW that b/c you mentioned my post in your response.

The fact is, he’s not criminally underrated at #8 on the Jays list. He’s right there with Arencibia, probably Perez and Marisnick who have oodles of potential & Alvarez in the 5-10 range. Anywhere in that range is not in any way “criminally” under or over rating him.

by jayjay on Jun 10, 2025 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions

-Stewart turned 23 on Sept. 28th, he didn’t pitch a single inning as anything other than a 22 year old last year. Agree or disagree with it, that’s how it’s counted in baseball, 2009 was his age 22 season.
-BA had Stewart #1 in the Jays system pre-Halladay trade. That would put him no worse than #4 in the system then. John ranked him #2 after the Halladay deal. I had him #3 in the system and in my top 100. So yes, I feel he’s criminally underrated at #8. Feel free to disagree, that’s your right.
-He bounced around from role to role and level to level last year. He could have used a full year in High A last year as a starter, instead he got 14 starts and 79 innings as a starter between High A and AA. So yes, it’s not entirely surprising he’s struggled a bit. His last 5 starts…28.2IP 24/10 K/BB 3.09 ERA. Just saying, let’s not overreact here on a two month sample.
-Yes, his secondary stuff needs work, just like it did before the season started. The control could hold him back from the rotation whether the secondary stuff comes around or not. It could also hurt him as a reliever. It’s still needs work, just like the secondary stuff. Of course being bounced from starter to reliever doesn’t give a lot of time to work on secondary pitches…
-Being behind Loewen on the list is why I said he was criminally underrated, of course you know this because you read my original post that was in response to someone who left Loewen ahead of Stewart, and not in response to you. What you did with Loewen had nothing to do with anything, actually.

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by gatling on Jun 10, 2025 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions

I'm not going to get into this discussion...

other than to say that making a minor ARL argument a pillar of your case against a pitcher (not to mention showing a complete lack of understanding for prospect “age” cutoffs) is a great way to make many experienced prospect hounds disregard your argument completely.

Pitchers do not develop the same way hitters do.
PItchers do not develop the same way hitters do.
Pitchers do not develop the same way hitters do.

You’d think most people would realize this, looking at the best pitchers in baseball year after year. Of the top 10 starters ranked by xFIP this year, Halladay broke out at 25, Cliff Lee at 26 (arguably 29), Romero 24/25, Wainwright 27 (as a starter), Josh Johnson 25, James Shields 25, and Chris Carpenter at 29. The majority of those guys had mixed results in the minors as well.

Hitters improve incrementally for the most part. Pitchers improve in plateaus, and those plateaus can last a while before the next leap comes. Understand that, and you’ll have a much easier time understanding the development of pitching prospects.

by PissedMick on Jun 12, 2025 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions

I'd go:

1 Drabek
2 d’Arnaud
3 Jenkins
4 Stewart
5 McGuire
6 Wojo
7 Wallace
8 Hechavarria
9 Sanchez
10 Alvarez

by jar75 on Jun 10, 2025 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions

Thames

Has had a very good year so far in AA. He’s always been a guy who can hit, but his health has always been the problem. IF he can stay healthy, he looks like he could put himself back on the prospect map. I’d put him at 9-10.

by BryceHarper on Jun 10, 2025 2:46 PM EDT reply actions

This is still a terribly underwhelming system

I guess it may take a couple of years to infuse the system with impact talent, after Ricciardi and his henchmen turned the farm system into a parking lot.

by royshowell on Jun 10, 2025 4:11 PM EDT reply actions

Post Draft

Not crazy to assume they sign the guys listed, Kris Bryant is listed because i’m assuming he’s the back up plan for Dickie Thon.

1. Kyle Drabek
2. Travis d’Arnaud
3. Brett Wallace
4. Adeiny Hechevarria
5. Henderson Alvarez
6. Deck McGuire
7. JP Arencibia
8. Zach Stewart
9. Asher Wojciechowski
10. Chad Jenkins
11. Aaron Sanchez
12. Brad Emaus
13. AJ Jimenez
14. Carlos Perez
15. Eric Thames
16. Michael McDade
17. Adam Loewen
18. Brian Jeroloman
19. Kris Bryant
20. Jake Marisnick
21. Marcus Knecht
22. Randy Boone
23. Tim Collins
24. Sam Dyson
25. Trystan Magnuson
26. Brad Mills
27. Griffin Murphy
28. Kellen Sweeney
29. John Tolisano
30. Alan Farina

by The_Bunk on Jun 10, 2025 5:29 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs

This List

Alvarez is easily top 5 in this system.

My Guys: Gillies, Pacheco, Drabek, Verlander, Ozuna, A Salcedo, S Rodriguez, and others.

by cwhitman412 on Jun 10, 2025 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions

Its laughable that some jays fans think Loewen is a nice prospect. He is a potentially a nice story if he gets back to the show and gets a few years as a 4th outfield type player. But thats about it. I’m not a huge Brett Wallace fan, I’d see the top 5 being

Drabek
Alvarez
D’Arnaud
Hechavarria
Wallace

Oh and Chris Lubanski….your embarrasing yourself and the jays system by putting him in a top prospect list

by JJACK on Jun 10, 2025 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions

Where exactly is Chris Lubanski on my list?

The remaining prospects on my list are mostly relievers and high school draft picks that haven’t played pro ball, yeah, i’m reaaaaaally overrating the guy.

by The_Bunk on Jun 10, 2025 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions

sorry

wasn’t commenting on your list. was mainly talking about the original posters list and thoughts i hear from bluejay fans as a whole over the internet. My comment was placed here as a reply to cwhits comment on Alvarez..

As for your list its fine. the first 15 is good enough. I would quibble with it after that but really after 15 its hard to agree anyways. Mills is definitely a better pitcher than Boone in my eyes and could be holding down a 5th starters spot right now i believe. And I like Pastornicky and Sierra.

by JJACK on Jun 10, 2025 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions

Ahhh, it’s ok. Forgot about Sierra, he’d probably fit in at the back end and push Farina out, can’t get too excited about a reliever till they have some success at the upper levels.

by The_Bunk on Jun 11, 2025 2:03 AM EDT up reply actions

This looks good

Though I’d swap Murphy and Dyson

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by Gobroks on Jun 10, 2025 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions

What about Shawn Bowman?

Elite fielder at 3rd, bat looks playable

by T Pac on Jun 10, 2025 5:44 PM EDT reply actions

don't doubt Jimenez

great tools apparently for a catcher and is only 20.

by Bravesin07 on Jun 10, 2025 5:58 PM EDT reply actions

Hmmm.....

Rough top 50 though i’m sure i’m missing someone, i’m real high on Emaus and what he’s been doing. Also high on Sierra but curious how he’ll be on his return.

1. Kyle Drabek
2.Henderson Alvarez
3.Travis D’Arnaud
4.Brett Wallace
5.Brad Emaus
6.Deck McGuire
7.Chad Jenkins
8.Zach Stewart
9.Moises Sierra
10.Carlos Perez
11.Gustavo Pierre
12. Eric Thames
13. John Tolisano
14. Jake Marisnick
15. Aaron Sanchez
16. Asher Wojciechowski
17.JP Arencibia
18.Michael McDade
19.Tim Collins
20. A.J. Jimenez
21. Tyler Pastornicky
22. Santiago Nessy
23.Kellen Sweeney
24.Adam Loewen
25.Joel Carreno
26.Sam Dyson
27.Marcus Knecht
28.Wellinton Ramirez
29.Darin Mastorianni
30.Trystan Magnuson

31. Brian Jeroloman
32. David Cooper
33. Justin Jackson
34. Kris Bryant
35. Justin Nicolino
36. Danny Farquhar
37. Shawn Bowman
38. Bobby Bell
39. Ryan Tepera
40. Yan Gomes
41. Sean Ochinko
42. Balbino Fuenmayor
43. Ryan Schimpf
44.Griffin Murphy
45.Kenny Wilson
46. Noah Syndergaard
47.Christopher Hawkins
48.Omar Cotto
49. Chris Lubanski
50. Ray Gonzalez

by TtD on Jun 10, 2025 6:33 PM EDT reply actions

best list so far by a long shot

either underestimating Brad Mills or forgot him, but he is a MLB starter at least in the NL at some point I would guess, much more than most of these guys will do.

I’d probably move Emaus down at least below the 3 pitchers below him but other than that its close to my take on the system.

by JJACK on Jun 10, 2025 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions

Yeah, missed Mills

and Hobson (and no doubt some more Auburn guys).

Would slot Mills in probably at 19, Hobson down just above Loewen

by TtD on Jun 10, 2025 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions

Quick top 10 with grades

1. Kyle Drabek - B+
2. Brett Wallace - B/B+
3. Travis D’Arnaud - B/B+
4. Deck McGuire - B
5. Zach Stewart - B
6. J.P. Arencibia - B/B-
7. Brad Emaus - B-
8. Asher Wojciechowski - B-
9. Henderson Alvarez - B-
10. Adeiny Hechevarria - B-

by Navi's_Navy on Jun 10, 2025 7:50 PM EDT reply actions

+1

This would be mine as well. I would only consider switching Hechevarria and Wojciechowski, but I am not really sure about it. Good list.

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by joegonzo on Jun 10, 2025 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions

Adeiny Hechevarria

What do yoy guys project him to do? He has been very uninspiring in Dunedin. Give me your thoughts and if anyone has seen him play. Thanks!

by Evil Empire on Jun 10, 2025 8:51 PM EDT reply actions

i think he’s been okay
hes not hitting that great but he is showing his speed
he has a few extra base hits
and i have heard hes been playing pretty good shortstop

I think we have to be patient because i think hes going to be a really good player
i think hes a B close to a B+ prospect

by FenixL on Jun 10, 2025 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions

Slow start but too early to tell

Hitting well enough but swinging at everything as he’s looking to settle in. Is finally starting to take a walk or two.

by TtD on Jun 10, 2025 9:09 PM EDT reply actions

I'd go roughly:

1. Drabek B+/B
2. D’ Arnaud B
3. Alvarez B
4. Wallace B
5. McGuire B
6. Hechevarria B-
7. Jenkins
8. Stewart (future solid reliever?)
9. Wojo
10. Thames
11 Arencibia / Sanchez
13. Emaus

Wow Blackburn makes nearly identical money as Baker does now....

by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Jun 11, 2025 2:59 PM EDT reply actions

A couple thoughts

- Drabek and Wallace are the 2 best prospects in the Jays system, I would say that’s pretty much industry consensus from everything I’ve read.
- Jenkins = McGuire, they are both polished college pitchers who should move quickly. No reason one should be ranked that much higher than the other. I would say McGuire > Jenkins > Wojo, but the rankings are interchangable.
- Loewen has no business being on this list. He is not a prospect. Even if he becomes the second coming of Ty Cobbs he should not be on this list because he is ineligible.
- Magnuson is borderline top 10 in my opinion. He might be a bit old for a prospect but he is a legit bullpen prospect. He is putting up godly numbers in AA and is a candidate to be called up directly to Toronto. His ceiling might not be as high as some of the more sexy younger guys but his chance to carve out a significant role in the majors is as good if not better than most players on this list.
- I don’t think Stewart is being ‘criminally underrated.’ His stock has certainly dropped due to his poor 2010 season thus far.
- A.J. Jimenez having a breakout year and is shooting up the prospect list, I won’t be surprise if he ends the year as a top 10 prospect.

by slitheringslider on Jun 11, 2025 11:15 PM EDT reply actions