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Ranking the Leagues: The California League

Seeing as we're getting close to the midpoint of the season, it's not a bad idea to start reassessing players, and based on the popularity of cwhitman's regrade thread, it's obvious that we're all thinking about how players stack up. That being said, making a top prospects list is hard and it can take a while to double-check that you're not missing any names. So I decided, why not go through the process of creating community league top prospect lists? This way we're breaking things up into much easier-to-digest chunks. Obviously things will change - we have another half of the season to go, and some prospects will receive promotions and become eligible for various lists at later dates. That's not a problem, though, and it should actually make it easier to integrate prospects into the overall league rankings as they become eligible. Note that while a prospect may no longer be in the league, for this exercise we'll consider position players to be eligible if he A) has 100 or more ABs in the league or B) is currently in the league. Starting pitchers are eligible if they have A) 5 or more starts in the league or B) they are currently in the league. All relief pitchers are automatically eligible, no innings count. Rehab appearances obviously do not count. Let me know if this works for everybody.

 

To facilitate these rankings, I'm going to post a list of "notable" prospects from each team, in an effort to minimize the chances of anybody forgetting about a particular prospect. You may also wonder why I'm not starting with the Midwest or South Atlantic League . . .the reason is that those leagues are very large, and having that many teams to run through might make them a little difficult to start with. So the order will be: High A leagues, Double A leagues, Low A leagues, Triple A leagues. And we'll kick it off with the California League, because I randomly chose that league. If I'm missing anybody in the notables list, let me know so I can add them. Your list need not be restricted to these players, they are purely here for the sake of reminding you that they are in this league.

 

NOTE: There is no "minimum" number of prospects that you have to rank. If you want to rank 10, rank 10. If you want to rank a full 20, rank 20. No more than 20, but whatever you feel comfortable with otherwise . . .don't rank players if you don't feel comfortable.

 

A bit of a weak year in the Cal League prospect wise . . .should make it a fun one to work with!

 

Notable prospects:

 

Bakersfield Blaze:

Engel Beltre, Michael Main, Carlos Pimental, Wilmer Font

 

High Desert Mavericks:

Dennis Raben, Kyle Seager, Johermyn Chavez, Denny Almonte, Rich Poythress, Maikel Cleto

 

Inland Empire 66ers:

Kyle Russell, Austin Gallagher, Tony Delmonico, Aaron Miller, Ethan Martin, Nathan Eovaldi, Kenley Jansen

 

Lake Elsinore Storm:

Drew Cumberland, Allan Dykstra, Jaff Decker, Blake Tekotte, Nick Schmidt, Anthony Bass

 

Lancaster JetHawks:

Jay Austin, Dallas Keuchel, Ross Seaton

 

Modesto Nuts:

Jordan Pacheco, Tim Wheeler, Ethan Hollingsworth, Rex Brothers

 

Rancho Cucamonga Quakes:

Alexi Amarista, Tyler Chatwood, Will Smith

 

San Jose Giants:

Brandon Belt, Charlie Culberson, Eric Surkamp, Jason Stoffel, Ehire Adrianza, JC Perez, Edwin Quirarte

 

Stockton Ports:

Grant Green, Jeremy Barfield, Fautino De Los Santos

 

Visalia Rawhide:

Ryan Wheeler, Marc Krauss, Wade Miley

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San Jose Giants possible notables: Ehire Adrianza, JC Perez, Edwin Quirarte

by wilriv21 on Jun 10, 2025 12:46 AM EDT reply actions  

Just an idea

… but Im in favor of doing these rankings by grade, perhaps in addition to number. I think this makes it easier to integrate players when/ if you combine these players to a larger list.
Does this make sense at all?

by casejud on Jun 10, 2025 1:05 AM EDT reply actions  

sure, I can live with that

I was going to include something about that in my notes accompanying my own list. If we’re all on board with that, we can definitely do that.

Ranking players by numbers is easier to show the overall results of how the community feels about the league’s prospects relative to one another, but yeah, doing grades makes sense for an overall list.

by mrkupe on Jun 10, 2025 1:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sure

I’ll rank them as well, but also give them a letter grade. I thought it a may be good idea when combining the list if it becomes obvious that a guy will need a “B” to make it on a top 100 or 150 or whatever - could perhaps skip over guys who are concensus C’s maybe.

i really like your idea of ranking guys, league by league, though. Kinda fun actually.

by casejud on Jun 10, 2025 1:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think it'll be productive

Technically, if you use grades, you can even use the GPA method to create an overall ranking list through that . . .would be interesting to compare those results with a more conventional list.

The Cal League is probably the hardest league to work with this year . . .lots of really low grades. I think there are one, maybe two Grade B+ prospects in this league, and a whole lot of question marks after that. I think it makes the league ideal to start out with . . .when we start looking at the Low A leagues, for instance, it should get pretty wild.

by mrkupe on Jun 10, 2025 1:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

I haven't paid that much attention-but here's a quick and dirty top 10 list

1-Ethan Martin-RHP-LAD
2-Jaff Decker-OF-SD
3-Grant Green-SS-Oak
4-Tim Wheeler-OF-Col
5-Aaron Miller-LHP-LAD
6-Ross Seaton-RHP-Hou
7-Kenley Jansen-RHP-LAD
8-Jay Austin-OF-Hou
9-Marc Krauss-OF-Arz
10-Brandon Belt-1B-SF

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by Gobroks on Jun 10, 2025 1:34 AM EDT reply actions  

Martin

so inconsistent this year.

by npurcell on Jun 10, 2025 2:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

re: Martin

Yeah, was really hoping for a step forward in the peripherals this year, but it hasn’t happened.

Still, he’s one of the two best arms in the league (if not THE best arm), and when he’s on been on, he’s been really awesome. I’ve got him at No. 3 in the league at the moment, couldn’t see him being much lower than that . . .there’s just not enough in the Cal this year that would make you pass up a kid with his upside.

by mrkupe on Jun 10, 2025 2:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

agreed

I do agree his upside puts him right up there but just venting as a Dodger fan. I was really hoping he’d take a step forward this year (along with Withrow) but so far that has not happened yet. It looks like he still is adjusting to pitching full time.

by npurcell on Jun 10, 2025 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Has a 3.5 FIP

Use to be 3.11 A week ago..

by Julio Nievas on Jun 11, 2025 2:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

As an Astros fan

I don’t believe in Seaton. His strikeout numbers continue to drop and the scouting reports are not favorable. I would put Austin above him.

Albert Cartwright and Kyle Greenwalt are a couple older Lancaster prospects who are moderately interesting. Cartwright may just be a Lancaster mirage, but Greenwalt’s career numbers are solid. He keeps the walks down and the ball on the ground.

by OremLK on Jun 10, 2025 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

No mention of Stephen Parker or Ryan Ortiz out of Stockton?

Both OPSing above .900 and draftees from last year…
Certainly more notable than Barfield and De Los Santos at this point.
Is Santos looking like a reliever now, btw?

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by stranahanahan on Jun 10, 2025 3:51 AM EDT reply actions  

I think its pretty much for sure that FDLS will be a reliever

they need to get him to the majors soon before he runs out of options anyways.

by Zonis on Jun 11, 2025 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

My own list. Not much effort, just eyeballing the guys

1) Grant Green - SS - OAK - B/B+
2) Jaff Decker - OF - SDP - B/B+
3) Wilmer Font - SP - TEX - B
4) Aaron Miller - LHP - LAD - B
5) Ethan Martin - RHP - LAD - B/B-
6) Tim Wheeler - OF - COL - B-
7) Rich Poythress - 1B - SEA - B-
8) Marc Krauss - OF - ARZ - B-
9) Brandon Belt - 1B - SF - B-
10) Drew Cumberland - MIF - SDP - B-

by Navi's_Navy on Jun 10, 2025 3:55 AM EDT reply actions  

Other guys are interesting as well

Seaton, Dykstra, Fautino, Chavez, Eovaldi, Wheeler, etc.

by Navi's_Navy on Jun 10, 2025 4:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

aren't many not impressed with Green?

Or am I thinking of someone else?

by lakersdodgersyankees4life on Jun 10, 2025 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

No that's Green

I sort of get why he’s first on all these lists (the other people are that unimpressive), but I can’t imagine him getting more than a B.

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by OldProspects on Jun 10, 2025 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

it's just interesting

to see many people rip him to shreads on multiple threads over the last couple of weeks and still call him one of the best in the Cal league… know it isnt overpowering, but still…

by lakersdodgersyankees4life on Jun 10, 2025 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

quickly

1. Aaron Miller
2. Grant Green
3. Engel Beltre
4. Michael Main
5. Ethan Martin
6. Jaff Decker
7. Drew Cumberland
8. Wilmer Font
9. Fautino de los Santos
10. Marc Krauss

by gogotabata on Jun 10, 2025 10:09 AM EDT reply actions  

+1

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by OldProspects on Jun 10, 2025 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Taking a stab at it

1. Drew Cumberland B+/B
2. Ethan Martin B
3. Aaron Miller B*
4. Jaff Decker B
5. Michael Main B
6. Wilmer Font B
7. Tyler Chatwood B-
8. Grant Green B-
9. Alexi Amarista B-
10. Kenley Jansen B-

Cumberland has always had the tools, he’s just had trouble staying healthy.

Martin’s results haven’t been the best, but I believe in the arm.

Miller could easily vault to the top of this list if his increased velocity can be held throughout the year.

Slow start and all, I believe in Decker’s bat and don’t think he’ll be too bad in an corner OF spot.

Main needed a healthy year and so far he’s had it(knock on wood). He has a 3.73 K/BB and a solid if unspectacular K rate, the HR’s are a bit worrisome but I still see #2 potential here.

I’m higher on Font than most, I see #2 upside if his secondary stuff comes around but he has potential as a late inning arm as a fallback.

Chatwood still walks too many guys but the K rate is strong and his GO/AO ratio is excellent at 3.26 in a league known for hitting. He looks like a good bet to be an innings eater type, though improvements to the walk rate could push him higher.

Call me a skeptical A’s fan, but I’m not impressed with Grant Green so far. If I was certain he’d stick at SS maybe he’d be higher, but I’m not.

Amarista is an interesting guy, the Angels seem to crank out MI’s left and right year after year. He reminds me a bit of Howie Kendrick, seems like a good pure hitter but his drop in walk rate isn’t something I’m glad to see.

Jansen has good potential as a shut down reliever, though I worry the Dodgers are pushing him a little too aggressively for no more experience than he has.

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by gatling on Jun 10, 2025 10:42 AM EDT reply actions  

+1

I like this list the most so far.

I’d slide Green in where Decker is, take out Decker completely, move in Russell where Decker was, and put Belt at 9 moving Jansen off the list.

by BryceHarper on Jun 10, 2025 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jansen

if he can get a little more control over the slider, will be in the pen this Sept.

And I dont think he is being rushed. He was throwing 2 innings in A ball per apperance, and was dominating. He changed his mechanics this year which have lead to lowered walk rates. He had nothing to prove in A ball. If he continues to dominate through AA and tightens the slider, we are looking at a very powerful closer prospect…

by lakersdodgersyankees4life on Jun 10, 2025 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

btw

here is a scouting report from pre season.

http://www.memoriesofkevinmalone.com/2010/03/prospect-profiles-2010-kenley-jansen.html#more

Even Kensai didnt expect this explosion of maturity, and his ETA has been sped up to as early as this season…

by lakersdodgersyankees4life on Jun 10, 2025 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

report

Not sure how much i value that report, did he grow 4 inches and put on 40lbs??? It lists him at 6’2 178lbs. Milb has him at 6’6 220lbs.

by BryceHarper on Jun 10, 2025 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

there was an issue with another report

about the first couple of boxes on these prospect profiles. The writer said he simply copies those and pastes them in, so those numbers could be old…

by lakersdodgersyankees4life on Jun 10, 2025 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Blame BaseballCube, not me.

Sorry, I have a lot of time, but not enough to write up their height/weight/handedness and stats. I know what they are, but I just copy/paste those images.

by kensai on Jun 11, 2025 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Honestly who cares

Point is, you’d be an idiot to discredit a report because the author copy/pasted a picture from baseball cube instead of milb.com.

Ugh.

It’s like reading an opinion from John and then discrediting it because he had a typo. Who cares.

by kensai on Jun 11, 2025 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

He just started pitching last year right?

He’s got very little experience so far, so yes I think already being in AA is rushing him a bit. There wouldn’t be anything wrong with giving him a year in A+ ball just to gain experience as a pitcher. It may not hurt anything but with less than 50IP it wouldn’t have hurt to move a little slowly with him.

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by gatling on Jun 10, 2025 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I understand where you are coming from

but what else would he have gained? He posted a 14 K/9 ratio in both seasons he pitched there(both time in small sizes, yes, but still extremely dominate). After he revamped his mechanics this year, his control went from 8.5 BB/9 and a 2.14 WHIP to a 3 BB/9 and 1.167 WHIP. His SO/BB ratio went from 1.73 to 4.67.

I mean, yea, you could have let him dominate all year in A+ ball, but would he have gained anything? In AA, he is facing legit prospects and he is having to continue to learn how to pitch. In AA, he has to hit his spots or the pitches will either be turned into hits or will be laid off and increase the walks. (so far it is the latter, as he is giving up 4.8 H/9, but his BB/9 has risen all the way to 6.4… his Ks are also up to 15.1 K/9…) If he gets control of the slider and those walks come down, he will be MLB ready…

by lakersdodgersyankees4life on Jun 10, 2025 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sometimes

it’s good to let a guy get a decent taste of success, especially one that has such limited experience. He could have just as easily worked on mastering the slider in A ball. The guy has 40+ innings under his belt, let him go ahead and be dominant for another month or two then move him up.

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by gatling on Jun 10, 2025 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would agree usually

But the Dodgers, after the fixture of his mechanics, saw a guy who could help in the postseason/stretch run(ie, Frankie Rodriguez for the Angels). The point in either place was for him to work on command on the slider. If he does it in A+ ball, there is no way they could call him up and expect him to be successful. If he does it in AA and remains similarly dominate(the Ks have gone up, but so have the walks, SSA though), they can say ‘he got the AA test and passed’. Also, reliever prospects are usually able to be fast tracked and when they have the pure stuff Jansen has, there is reason for a team to rush him

by lakersdodgersyankees4life on Jun 11, 2025 12:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Seems pretty weak. I'd go:

1. Grant Green B
2. Aaron Miller B
3. Ethan Martin B
4. Drew Cumberland B
5. Jaff Decker B-/B
6. Jay Austin B-/B
7. Tim Wheeler B-/B
8. Marc Krauss B-
9. Wilmer Font B-
10. Tyler Chatwood B-

by jar75 on Jun 10, 2025 11:26 AM EDT reply actions  

defensively

Russell is also a plus defender though.

by npurcell on Jun 10, 2025 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

So is Chris Davis

That did him a whole lot of good when he couldn’t hit to save his life. It’s a shame, Davis is looking like a AAAA player. He is tearing it up at AAA again.

by Tex2044 on Jun 10, 2025 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re:

At least Russell has huge K numbers. I’m surprised there’s no love for Brandon Belt too. Not that I think he’s great but this league is bad and Belt has been awesome.

by Dfarth on Jun 10, 2025 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

actually, I think the league's probably getting a little underrated

because of disappointing years from a lot of the “known” or favorite prospects. Big steps forward by players like Belt or the Rockies Thomas Field are getting overlooked because these guys hadn’t been on the radar prior to this season.

by Rox Girl on Jun 10, 2025 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fair Point

I guess when I was saying the league is bad I really meant the top prospects in the league have been bad (so you’d think the underrated guys would get more attention).

by Dfarth on Jun 10, 2025 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Belt was certainly on the radar

I didn’t put him in my top 10 because he’s a 1B and I’m just not sure how much he’s going to hit. Similar to Thomas Neal last year, the numbers looked good in the Cal League, but let’s see what they look like in a less hitting friendly environment. Field is having a good year, but like with Belt, I’m a bit skeptical of a 23 year old with such a large statistical jump over the previous season in a hitters league like the Cal.

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by gatling on Jun 10, 2025 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Belt

Just to point out the other side (I’m sure this is obvious). Belt is a 22 year old in his first season of professional ball (unlike Neal who was in his 3rd or 4th professional season). To be able to post a 1.078 OPS in A+ ball in your first year out of college is impressive. Also, Belt has shown a very mature approach (42BB / 34K) which is something that Neal didn’t show. I also like him because he seems to be athletic for a 1B (13SB) which makes me wonder if he could MAYBE handle LF. Finally, at 6’5 / 195lbs., I’m inclined to think his body has room to fill out. Statistically, the big red flag for him is power potential (6 HR so far) and it’s tough to be a 1B with poor power. That said, if he fills out and gets a few more of those 22 2B over the fence, then I think there’s a lot to like.

Certainly, he has much to prove. But, considering the other talent in this league (or lack there of), I think a rating in the back of the top 10 seems reasonable.

by Dfarth on Jun 10, 2025 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

definitely agree

the only thing not to like about belt or rather be skeptical of is his power but like you said, he’s 6’5" and only 195/lbs. i can definitely see some of those doubles turning into dingers. the bb:k ratio is pretty amazing considering this is his first yr. of pro ball. i wouldn’t be surprised one bit if the power comes later. if that’s the case he’ll be quite the hitter.

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by the pinstripes on Jun 10, 2025 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

He would be #11 for me

The OPS is shiny but he’s got a .378 average right now. Maybe he hits .370+ all year, but I’m guessing he won’t. I love the plate discipline and you are right, there should be some room for him to fill out. I’m just not sold he’ll hit for enough power as he moves up the ladder even if he does fill out. I’m not comfortable projecting him out that far with that much needed improvement in the power department to put him any higher as a 1B.

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by gatling on Jun 10, 2025 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

that's puzzling

nobody was afraid to project out barton and kotchman.

I heard Tim Lincecum will win 1 Cy Young & 11 Tim Lincecums. Question is, how many Cole Hamels will he win?

by the pinstripes on Jun 10, 2025 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

I should add

that I was in that group projecting power for both of those guys. Forgive me for being a bit more conservative.

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by gatling on Jun 10, 2025 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

forgive you?

just saying you’re being a bit more conservative is understandable. don’t know what i said to evoke the sarcasm but whatever.

I heard Tim Lincecum will win 1 Cy Young & 11 Tim Lincecums. Question is, how many Cole Hamels will he win?

by the pinstripes on Jun 11, 2025 9:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

No sarcasm intended

It was more of a “sorry for not explaining this in the first place, making it puzzling” type comment. No harm intended.

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by gatling on Jun 11, 2025 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

no problem

it’s funny because i really never got on the barton bandwagon but i thought sure kotchman would develop power. hopefully, belt will go the way of youkilis and the power will come later. i mean 6’5", 225/lbs when he fills out should be able to turn some of those doubles into homers. i certainly think, even taking a conservative approach, he should be in the top 10 on this list and is already a borderline B prospect. that’s just my opinion.

I heard Tim Lincecum will win 1 Cy Young & 11 Tim Lincecums. Question is, how many Cole Hamels will he win?

by the pinstripes on Jun 11, 2025 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agree

I realize the HR power isn’t great but he’s on pace to hit 12-15. If he eventually turns that into 20 HR power with good OBP, he’s could hit enough to be a decent 1B.

by Dfarth on Jun 11, 2025 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's fine to be skeptical

but that doesn’t mean one should automatically dismiss the idea of a leap forward in a player’s development, either. Field’s always had excellent plate discipline, he’s been a quality defender at shortstop since day one, and he’s actually moving to a more difficult hitting environment than he was at last season in Asheville. He’s just hit six home runs in the past week in two of the most difficult places to do so in the California League, Modesto and San Jose.

That shouldn’t be enough to sell anybody that he’s a completely sure thing, and kudos to you for wanting to wait until AA before deciding anything (and we should definitely at the very least not jump on the bandwagon after what could wind up being the best week of his career) but he’s a shortstop (who has the glove to stick at the position) with an OPS that’s over .200 points higher than your guy Green, who’s only five months younger than he is.

What I’m saying here, is that keeping him off the radar, not even seriously considering the possibility of a step forward until you’re the last one on the bus might be a mistake, particularly if you are considering Green or Amarista as top tens.

by Rox Girl on Jun 10, 2025 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sure

I’m not keeping anyone off the radar, but 2 good months for Field isn’t enough to surpass these other guys. We can’t just look at what they’ve done this year and forget about previous scouting, draft pedigree, past performance, etc. Like you mention, he’s been hot lately, adding 80 points to his OPS in the last 10 days alone. That’s the problem with a ~two month sample size, things can swing so wildly still.

Green isn’t killing it by any means but this is his first real taste of pro ball whereas Field has played 140 more games than Green coming into this year. He certainly hasn’t lived up to expectations though, a .121 ISO isn’t what I was hoping to see this year. That’s the big concern for me, and why for now he’s down to a B- for me. As for Amarista, he’s almost two full years younger than Field and has hit at every single stop, showing solid plate discipline for someone his age playing against older competition and possessing a good glove and good speed.

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by gatling on Jun 10, 2025 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

But you are keeping Field off the radar, you just said so

Everybody here is. What you’ve basically admitted to is that nothing Field can do will put him ahead of these other players in your book, simply because nobody you’ve come to trust has put his name down as a prospect yet, when in reality he could be beyond these guys already. What if he doesn’t stop hitting like this? How long does it take for him to actually register in your book?

I think what you often end up doing with this sort of wait and see approach is rewarding a player for not competing at a higher level while punishing one that is. Green’s got less professional experience, but technically he’s got more experience at this level since that’s where the A’s put him last season. He’s repeating, Field is not. Again they’re just five months apart in age and Field has the better glove of the two and is the more likely to stay at the position.

Plus, you seem to be acting like it’s a common thing for shortstops to run off two month runs like he is in the CAL. Reid Brignac, sure, Brandon Wood in his monster 2005, but finding another one that’s even had two months like this is tricky. Things aren’t going to swing so wildly in the rest of Field’s season, just another two months or so, to bring him down that significantly.

It’s pretty clear he’s taken a very significant step forward, and the fact that nobody here really seems to wish to be cognizant of it (you didn’t mention him at all, mrkupe doesn’t mention him at all) is kind of interesting to me. He doesn’t fit within people’s definition of what they’re looking for, so they’re choosing to ignore him.

by Rox Girl on Jun 10, 2025 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

But you are keeping Field off the radar, you just said so
Everybody here is. What you’ve basically admitted to is that nothing Field can do will put him ahead of these other players in your book, simply because nobody you’ve come to trust has put his name down as a prospect yet, when in reality he could be beyond these guys already. What if he doesn’t stop hitting like this? How long does it take for him to actually register in your book?

I didn’t say anything remotely close to this. I said 2 good months isn’t enough to override the scouting/draft pedigree edge Green has or the age/past performance edge Amarista has. I never said anything Field does could surpass that, don’t put words in my mouth. How long would he need to produce for me to believe? How about a full season? Hell, he could move up to AA and hit well, doesn’t have to be a near 1.000 OPS well either. Just show me he’s not beating up on younger competition in a hitter’s league at age 23. That’s not unreasonable to ask.

I think what you often end up doing with this sort of wait and see approach is rewarding a player for not competing at a higher level while punishing one that is. Green’s got less professional experience, but technically he’s got more experience at this level since that’s where the A’s put him last season. He’s repeating, Field is not. Again they’re just five months apart in age and Field has the better glove of the two and is the more likely to stay at the position.

If you want to say Green playing 5 games last year in Cal League means he’s repeating the level…well go ahead, but that’s beyond ridiculous and just reaching to try and find a reason to knock him. And no, they are not 5 months apart in age, it’s 7 months as I mentioned before(unless minorleaguebaseball.com has their birthdates wrong). It also means that Green will play the entire season at age 22 and Field at age 23. I can’t do anything about the age difference, or the fact that Green had 5 games of pro experience coming into this year while Field had 145 games.

Plus, you seem to be acting like it’s a common thing for shortstops to run off two month runs like he is in the CAL. Reid Brignac, sure, Brandon Wood in his monster 2005, but finding another one that’s even had two months like this is tricky. Things aren’t going to swing so wildly in the rest of Field’s season, just another two months or so, to bring him down that significantly.

Not sure what the cutoff would be for a similar season, but the two examples you used were 20 when they did it. Chris Nelson in July-August of 2007 at age 21 did it. Drew Cumberland is doing the same basic thing at age 20 this year. Stephen Drew only had a month and a half or so in the Cal, but he did it at age 22 in 2005. Carlos Triunfel was close to that in July-August 2008 at age 18. I’m sure there are probably some more examples but I don’t want to spend a lot of time searching through years of data to find them. As for whether or not things could swing so wildly to change things…it’s entirely possible. We already established that he added 80 points of OPS in 10 days on a hot streak, a two week slump could knock him a good bit down. Neither of us can say for sure, but it’s certianly possible.

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by gatling on Jun 10, 2025 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

good points. Particularly on the five games thing. That was a bad play on my part.

Sorry I kept on getting the age off a little too, I thought Green was two months older for some reason. It’s still close enough that the .200 points of OPS difference is significant given the two have similar ballparks and schedules. If it keeps up, it really won’t matter that Green’s seven rather than five months younger, particularly given the notable difference in their defensive profiles favors Field.

I was trying to figure out what your trigger was for you to recognize a prospect, particularly these older than normal breakouts. I think I have a pretty good idea of it now.

Frankly, I think Field’s getting ignored by scouts because he’s short. I saw him play plenty last season in his bad year, and he still looked like he could be an MLB player at some point. Nice glove, great makeup and work ethic. better than expected skills at the plate. I do not know why they weren’t translating to results while he was there, but they have elsewhere at college, at Tri-City and now at Modesto. The power’s probably fake to this degree. I’ll definitely give you that, but the rest of it is not.

Green, who I’ve long been a fan of as a USC alum, has the bigger body the scouts love, but my own opinion is that until he actually starts showing something at the professional level (I actually wish he showed more at the collegiate level) one of these guys will make it to the majors, and one will not, and it’s not the one who’s being ranked by everybody here. I think I would rate Field higher than him. I haven’t really seen enough of Amarista, but given his age scouting reports and production he seems to be worthy of the higher rank.

by Rox Girl on Jun 10, 2025 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks

Glad we can discuss this further. I would probably agree that the power may inflated, but the plate discipline and contact ability is strong. I could definitely see him as a solid regular maybe more, maybe less but where he ends up on that spectrum will be determined by how he hits as he moves up the ladder.

I’m down on Green but I certainly think he’ll make the majors. I’m not sure how much power he’s going to have, or if he’ll walk too much but he does have good contact ability and I haven’t heard any negative reports on his defense so far this year. By the end of the year though…who knows. Green could get hot over the summer and come out looking great when it’s all said and done. That’s why I’m fine with evaluating/ranking guys now, but I’m hesitant to make too many drastic changes because there is more season left to play than has been played.

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by gatling on Jun 10, 2025 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lame

I know who Field is, I have not ignored him. Guy of interest, not more than that right now. Might make my top 20 - you are by all means entitled to post your own list and your own opinion.

by mrkupe on Jun 10, 2025 6:34 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Posting my own opinion is what I'm doing.

And I don’t mean to get you guys too riled up. I definitely understand where everybody’s coming from. I am trying to provoke a discussion though. When you posted this FanPost, you listed 47 names, including several older than Field, but not him, so you can see where I would be coming from, right? If you were aware of him and thought he could get top 20 consideration before, why not list him?

by Rox Girl on Jun 10, 2025 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry

I wrote a list of names up quickly and omitted a few guys, and not on purpose.

He’s having a good run, but I wouldn’t act like his omission from that list was the great tragedy you are purporting it to be. I did not even bother to count the number of guys I listed above.

Clearly this whole situation could have been easily negotiated by a post that said “hey, don’t forget about him, etc.” Posting something along the lines of “he’s a good prospect and all of you are worse off for your ignorance of him” is not productive and deviates from the point of the exercise.

by mrkupe on Jun 10, 2025 6:54 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

well, how'd your way work for me?

I tried it. I said:

because of disappointing years from a lot of the "known" or favorite prospects. Big steps forward by players like Belt or the Rockies Thomas Field are getting overlooked because these guys hadn’t been on the radar prior to this season.

Everybody got really defensive and nobody really acknowledged what they thought of Field. You certainly didn’t say

He’s having a good run, but I wouldn’t act like his omission from that list was the great tragedy you are purporting it to be.

So I got a little louder the second time and now I know what you guys really think, thank you.

by Rox Girl on Jun 10, 2025 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

field

I went back and thought about it again . . .and no, I just can’t really see it. Okay guy, utility player, fringe starter maybe, a lot more than you can say about most 24th rounders.

Green has had a bad year, but gets a bit of a first-year mulligan. Not really fair to talk up Field and talk down Green’s year when Field hit .257/.335/.332 in Asheville (good hitter’s park, lower level of competition) in his first pro year. They’re a grade apart for me.

by mrkupe on Jun 10, 2025 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like your point

And you’ve convinced me. I don’t think he’s a great prospect yet, but I’d probably prefer Field to Green.

Do you happen to have a sense of his defense? I imagine he doesn’t have a shot to be the starting SS for the Rockies, but is 2B at the major league level doable?

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by OldProspects on Jun 10, 2025 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's definitely doable. He could stick at short if the Rockies didn't have somebody already there.

I’ve written at Purple Row that to picture him, try to envision a Clint Barmes that actually knows how to take a walk.

by Rox Girl on Jun 10, 2025 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not really

I count one B prospect, three B prospects, a couple of fringy B/B- prospects, and a lot of questions.

I think Belt is a fringe B-/C plus, good plate discipline and solid hitter, decent athlete. Won’t have enough at 1B, need to see if he can play the OF.

by mrkupe on Jun 10, 2025 1:52 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

how do you know this?

why are you already writing his power potential off? i’d say he’s better than just a decent athlete and solid hitter already. i remember when prospects like barton and kotchman were give high grades and the caveat was always “the power will come”. how come belt isn’t given the same benefit of the doubt at 6’5"?

I heard Tim Lincecum will win 1 Cy Young & 11 Tim Lincecums. Question is, how many Cole Hamels will he win?

by the pinstripes on Jun 10, 2025 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't

Just projecting. Power isn’t really his game. Numbers mostly fueled by extremely high BA. Solid hitter for average, good eye, too good for his competition. Still telling that he’s only hit 5 HRs in this context. He’s a C plus, maybe B- if you think he can hack it in the outfield. I’m still deciding.

by mrkupe on Jun 10, 2025 6:23 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Nitpicky

But he has 6HR. And I’d say that his numbers are equally fueled by the extremely high BA and the extremely good patience.

by Dfarth on Jun 10, 2025 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Right

6 HRs. In a hitter’s league. Where he’s hitting .375. I don’t see how it can get any rosier for him - this is the absolute peak of his present ability. He didn’t show much aptitude for power in college, either. Less than 15 HRs over the course of a season is not going to cut it at 1B most likely. There are reasons why he went 5th round last year.

by mrkupe on Jun 10, 2025 7:00 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Agree for the most part

I guess that’s the point of these things is to bring up discussion.

Personally, I think that I’d consider Belt more of a B/B- guy at this point (B if he keeps up the hitting all year and/or gets promoted and keeps hitting, B- if there is moderate regression, C+ if he completely falls apart). The one thing I’d disagree with is that he wont have enough at 1B. To me, his advanced approach means it might work out if the power doesn’t ever develop (similar to Barton and Kotchman who were mentioned below — although Kotchman looks like he is probably a bench guy / 4A player). The other name that pops into my head is Youkilis (advanced college hitter with a good approach). Obviously Youk’s power developed big time and he’s probably the exception / best case scenario. Still, I can’t help but like Belt. The advanced approach, lefthandedness, and above avg athleticism for a 1B are, at the very least, something to dream on…

by Dfarth on Jun 10, 2025 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Russell

Will post my list in a bit as I’m at work, but Russell is within my top 20. Strikes out a lot, but lots of skills and good tools. Underrated player, but age and contact issues push him to B- for now.

by mrkupe on Jun 10, 2025 1:49 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I think this stint in AA

makes him or breaks him as a prospect. He has great power to all fields. He also has great defensive potential, being able to play CF, but most likely going into RF. He has solid speed as well.

Here is his scouting report:

http://www.memoriesofkevinmalone.com/2010/03/prospect-profiles-2010-kyle-russell.html

by lakersdodgersyankees4life on Jun 10, 2025 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

okay, here's my Cal League top 20 prospects list (complete with grades!)

1. Aaron Miller, LHP, Grade B+
2. Drew Cumberland, SS, Grade B
3. Ethan Martin, RHP, Grade B
4. Johermyn Chavez, OF, Grade B
5. Rich Poythress, 1B, Grade B
6. Jay Austin, OF, Grade B-
7. Tyler Chatwood, RHP, Grade B-
8. Grant Green, SS, Grade B-
9. Wilmer Font, RHP, Grade B-
10. Engel Beltre, OF, Grade B-
11. Kyle Russell, OF, Grade B-
12. Kenley Jansen, RHP, Grade B-
13. Tim Wheeler, OF, Grade B-
14. Brandon Belt, 1B, Grade B-
15. Jaff Decker, OF, Grade B-
16. Eric Surkamp, LHP, Grade B-
17. Michael Main, RHP, Grade C+
18. Ehire Adrianza, SS, Grade C+
19. Alexi Amarista, 2B, Grade C+
20. Nathan Eovaldi, RHP, Grade C+

by mrkupe on Jun 10, 2025 8:26 PM EDT reply actions  

it's a crappy league this year, but you take what you can get.

Dodgers have some real prospects in the league. Russell had a great start to the year in the Cal, as he hit the hell out of the ball while cutting his Ks slightly. He’ll always strike out a ton but he does so many things well that he has a high floor as a 4th OF power lefty bat with speed and D, and obviously the ceiling is impact player. Jansen is raw but the arm is legitimate, lots of teams would view him as a future closer candidate if they didn’t have a Broxton. Eovaldi is an interesting name to remember a couple of years down the line, good arm but also very raw.

Should you get excited about this? Probably not TOO excited, considering how bad the league is. To give you an idea, while grades do not correspond directly to top X prospect standing, I generally figure that grade B is where a guy needs to be in the discussion for the top 100 prospects in the game in most years. 5 guys here with B or higher at the moment, and I’d be a bit surprised if the 5th (Poythress) made it on right now. That’s a 10 team full season league contributing 1/25th of the prospects to a top 100 . . .let that sink in for a bit.

by mrkupe on Jun 10, 2025 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pimental

I know nothing of his stuff but, just judging by his age, healththe past 3 seasons, and sucess this season in a tough place to pitch - Bakersfield- I was considering giving him a B. Any reason you don’t care for him in particular, or just overlooked?

by casejud on Jun 11, 2025 12:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

pim

Good pitchability, stuff is just okay. Lack of good breaking ball is a concern. Possible major league guy but back of the rotation type. C+, would be one of the next couple of guys in even still.

by mrkupe on Jun 11, 2025 1:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree that the league is weak

It still makes me pretty happy that we have 5 guys. If they reach their potential, we have…

An ace in Martin. I remember when he was drafted someone called him the right-handed Kershaw. Now, I dont think he has THAT potential, but he could be very special.

Miller, is very intriguing. He added a couple MPH to the FB and if it stays all year, he becomes a very legit prospect.

Russell needs a chance. He is getting it now in AA. He was drafted older than most, and while he dominated A ball, no one cared because it was A ball. The Dodgers held him back for a while, and the AA test will determine if he is legit or a AAAA/bench player. In his first game, he went 2-5, with a triple, but also K’d twice… take the good with the bad.

Jansen could be the replacement for Broxton. Except I think the Dodgers may keep Broxton longer than this contract. He has become one of the best closers in the game and is very young. So Jansen would join the setup corps with Kuo, Belisario and Sherrill.. very strong group. 3 of those guys(Jansen, Kuo, Belisario) can strike out almost anyone in the majors(assuming Jansen controls the slider…)

Eovaldi, I’ve always liked. He has a big arm(going high 90s many times during games) but doesnt have 2nd-dary stuff, yet. If he develops it, he is a MOR guy, if not, probably a late inning reliever.

Logan White has done a great job of restocking the system, with many of our top prospects in A+ or AA, or in the majors. If he signs some of the higher potential drafted guys, this system could quickly get back into the top 10

by lakersdodgersyankees4life on Jun 11, 2025 12:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

dodgers guys

Wouldn’t be so cut and dry with Russell . . .if he flops in AA this year, he’ll still only be 24 to start next season. He has more time than you’d think.

Martin could be anything. Frontline starter, ace closer, wildly inconsistent back of rotation guy, middle reliever, minor league bust. Those are probably in increasing order of probability, but obviously you don’t find an arm like that just anywhere.

No way that the Dodgers sign Lee (a shame as I absolutely love him), but maybe they’ll find the money to grab one of their other guys.

by mrkupe on Jun 11, 2025 1:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Garrett Gould

Heals the wound (Lee) a bit.. Just a bit..

by Julio Nievas on Jun 11, 2025 2:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

Gould's signing

gives me a little hope. We werent supposed to sign him but we did. Because Lee is a two sport athlete, his bonus can be spread over 5 years, which, even if we have to give him 5M, it could be 1M for 5 straight years… if he’d take that. There is hope.

Basically, I think we need to sign one of Lee or Gausman for this to be a good draft. Sign both? Holy crap…

by lakersdodgersyankees4life on Jun 12, 2025 1:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Case's Top 20

1 Drew Cumberland A- I think if you love Brian Roberts, you’ll love this guy

2 Jaff Decker B+: I thought about this one long and hard and, can even see the reasoning for Kupe’s placement of him but, I believe in his hitting talent.

3 Brandon Belt B+ Kinda agressive but, I like the hits, the pop, the batting eye - Mark Grace? IB who can hit but don’t have great power get drafted later often- so 5th round pedigree doesn’t bother me

4 Aaron Miller B For a guy who barely pitched ‘til his Junior year at Baylor, he’s come along - nice Lefty arm.

5 Tyler Chatwood B Shaky control before this year. Putting it together at age 20

6 Wilmer Font B Big young kid with nice arm and a decent feel for pitching for a young kid- reminds me some of Freddy Garcia

 7 Eric Surcamp B- Have never seen him so Im hesitant but, I like the combination of durability, Ks, control, and keeping the ball in the ballpark

8 Kenley Jansen B- Id give him a higher grade If he wasn’t a reliever - big right arm is dominating AA currently

9 Micheal Main B- Starting to believe - big fastball, throws strikes. He’s been through a lot but, is still young and starting to pitch well.

10 Ethan Martin B- Always reminds me of an Outfielder when he pitches. Just doesnt LOOK like a pitcher. Intuitively I dont believe but, he’s young and has a great arm.

11 Ehire Adrianza C+ Perhaps odd to some to rank a guy who isnt hitting much this high but is a SS who will stick and hes 20 - Alcides Escobar didnt hit much at this age

12 Alexi Amarista C+ Solis stick and glove at 2b- reminds me of Maicer Izturis - not exciting, but nothing to sneeze at either

13 Kyle Russell C+ Its do or die for Russell. Guys his age just starting AA dont have a great record of suces but, I like the power and athleticism of his swing

14 Denis Raben C+ Alate bloomer like Rusell, I actually like his chances as a hitter more than Kyle Russell’s but, he has had injuries. Next Travis Hafner? Ok, If I believed that Id rank him higher.

15 Engel Beltre C+ Starting to perforn and is only 20. I see Julio Borbon as his upside and thats not great when you aren’t certain of reaching it. Very good Centerfielder.

16 Nate Eovaldi C+ Havent seen but I like what Ive heard (High 90’s heat?), doesn’t allow HRs (2 in 157 Ip), very young - 20

17 Johermyn Chavez C+ Powerfull corner Of learning to take a walk

18 Jay Austin C+ 19 year old speedster could be next Micheal Bourne

19 Carlos Pimantal C+ Another Ranger arm, reportedly only has decent stuff but I like the durability and results at age 20

20 Nick Schmidt C+ Big lefty lug is finally starting to live up to expectations - the sixe and lefty arm make him a prospect

by casejud on Jun 11, 2025 4:05 AM EDT reply actions  

As a Giants fan I hope you're right

I think Belt and Surkamp should tackle AA after the all star break. I’d be absolutely ecstatic if Adrianza turned into Alcides.

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by Gobroks on Jun 11, 2025 5:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

adrianza, others

Hardest guy for me to place. Upside would be an Escobar-like player, but the vast majority of that sort of player ends up as an utility guy at best.

Raben’s an interesting guy . . .problem is that he is basically a one tool player. Don’t think he’ll do much at higher levels.

I’m worried about Decker’s strikeout rate. It wasn’t low last year and it’s skyrocketed this year. Maybe they shouldn’t have started him in the Cal, but when your value is completely tied up in the bat, you gotta hit.

by mrkupe on Jun 11, 2025 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

True

about Decker but, its the same for any corner type player and - really ALL guys have to hit to make it dont they. Id say give it some time. I know you dont care much for the age thing but not getting off to a hot start in the Cal at age 23-24 is not the same as not doing it when you are 20. I guess bottom line is - I think he’ll hit. By the way, I still say there is NO correlation between a players Ks and If he busts - or a reverse correlation.

Raben can hit and hit for power. Aren’t those 2 tools? Besides, he doesnt need ARM and SPEED to play 1B anyways- David Ortiz is a one tool player also. As for whether he will hit enough in AA and up, we’ll find out this year Id think if he keeps mashing like he has been

by casejud on Jun 11, 2025 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Grant Green

I forgot Grant Green, I like him. I do not think he’s a big league SS but I think he can play 3b and will hit more as the season goes on.

Id put him 7th here

by casejud on Jun 11, 2025 4:12 AM EDT reply actions  

Green won't play 3B

His arm is his biggest question mark defensively and if he’s moved it will be to 2B or CF.

by jar75 on Jun 11, 2025 8:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

Putting my money where my mouth is.

I apologize to supporters of the non-NL West affiliates if I’m unfairly excluding anybody egregious, as I only casually follow those systems. I think I probably have a decent grasp of the Stockton and Bakersfield rosters, however.

Drew Cumberland B+
Michael Main B/B+
Tyler Chatwood B
Wilmer Font B
Anthony Bass B Another guy I think’s getting very much underrated by you guys. High GB rates with a solid upper 89-90 mph 2-seamer and he commands his slider pretty well. It’s an average MLB pitch, but that combination has served a lot of pitchers well. He’s improved his change-up, both the command and deception, I think he’s a real sleeper.
Alexi Amarista B
Cole Figueroa B
Johermyn Chavez B
Tim Wheeler B-
Nate Eovaldi B- - The Dodger pitchers at Inland Empire were supposed to be much stronger than this, their lack of secondary offerings is catching up with them. I think Eovaldi and Martin have a chance to get it back, but anything more than mid-rotation quality for either is difficult for me to see at this point.
Blake Tekotte B He’s hitting RHP’s really well, not so much against LHP’s, but
Jaff Decker B A lot of Padres are on this list, but I think they have the strongest team in the CAL this year. Possibly why the league as a whole is getting underrated.
Brandon Belt B-
Thomas Field B-
Jordan Pacheco B- He’s improved his defense behind the plate a lot this season, with the bat added to that, he’s becoming a legit catching prospect.
Juan Nicasio B- Probably too many Rockies prospects on this list, but I really believe in the four so far, I’m not so sure about the next one.
Ethan Martin C+
Ethan Hollingsworth C+
Grant Green C+
Aaron Miller C+ - I’m really not a believer, at least as a pitcher. His K’s are way down, his walks are up, he’s not pitching very deep into his starts. I’m not going to reward him for regression. He has a flat fastball that opposing hitters sit on, the slider’s inconsistent and there’s still no change-up to speak of.
Ehire Adrianza C+ Really sweet defender, I really still have big concerns about the bat.

Prospects I’m omitting that are getting included by others and why:

Kenley Jansen - I like him well enough as a reliever, but if I were to rank relievers I would have also found a place for Rex Brothers, who could be just as good or better. Both pitchers are walking too many and I think Jansen’s early success at Chattanooga is a little bit of a mirage.

Engel Beltre - with this, I’ll admit I probably would have had him ranked a couple of weeks ago, but that post HR display of his really put up some red flags that he’s too much of a headcase to make it.

Kyle Russell - 5 K’s in 10 AB’s in AA is exactly the kind of thing that leads me to believe he’s never going to quite make it all the way to the majors. He’s got a huge, exploitable hole in his swing

Rich Poythress - I like players that can do well at premium positions, and am generally really hesitant to rank 1B’s or corner OF’s. The .319 OBP away from High Desert has me fairly convinced Poythress wouldn’t last in the MLB, but the power nearly had me put him on the list anyway.

Jay Austin - He’s pull happy and thinks he’s a slugger in a speedster’s body. Doesn’t have a particularly good eye, getting a lot of his walks by keeping his bat on his shoulder and fishing for them rather than discerning between balls and strikes. I saw quite a bit of him last year in Lexington and I don’t know what other people are seeing here.

Eric Surkamp - The Giants have a way of making San Jose pitchers look better on paper than they really are.

by Rox Girl on Jun 11, 2025 8:39 AM EDT reply actions  

I see no way you could think Eovaldi is the Dodger's best prospect in the league

He is the biggest question mark and out of the 3 starters being considered(Martin, Eovaldi, Miller), he has the biggest chance of ending in the pen. A heavy fastball, but no secondary pitches. Still young and has time, but he needs development. To not have Miller or Martin until 19th and 16th respectively in this league is amazing…

by lakersdodgersyankees4life on Jun 12, 2025 1:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'd buy that I could be underrating Martin,

Chris Tillman’s 2007 stint at High Desert comes to mind of a pitching prospect that didn’t adjust to the Cal League but was still a player worth watching and keeping (too bad the Mariners didn’t feel that way)..

I was just ranking them according to what I’ve seen of them in the Midwest League last year and what I’ve heard from others, and like I said, I don’t believe in Miller. He can throw hard, but that’s about it, if single A hitters are figuring him out a year out of college, it really doesn’t bode well for him.

 Both Eovaldi and Martin have better movement on their FB’s. My projection right now sees both Martin and Miller being MLB relievers, and that drops them way down in my opinion. Eovaldi might be the destined for the same, but as of right now, he has the best downward movement on his fastball, and since fastballs are the only way to grade these guys due to their at best inconsistent secondary offerings, he got the top grade in my book.

by Rox Girl on Jun 12, 2025 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Great response so far everybody!

Frankly I’m a little surprised that this thread has attracted so much interest, considering the dearth of quality prospects in the Cal League. I’m expecting some of the other threads (especially the Midwest and Sally League ones) to inspire a lot of discussion and debate.

In an effort to keep the threads going, I’ll be posting the next thread either later today or tomorrow morning, with the third thread probably not coming until Tuesday or Wednesday of next week. I’d rather not go straight from the pitching-adverse California League to the pitching-friendly Florida State League, so spoiler for everybody: the next thread will spotlight the Carolina League. Feel free to continue posting in this thread, and if you haven’t posted a list yet, I haven’t yet begun to entertain a cut-off point.

by mrkupe on Jun 11, 2025 3:45 PM EDT reply actions  

I enjoy the Surkamp discussion. I find him pretty interesting, though probably destined for Glen Perkinsland. Finesse lefties who keep their ratios as they move up are always intriguing.

by limozeen on Jun 11, 2025 4:40 PM EDT reply actions  

surkamp

I like him. Doesn’t throw very hard, but does everything else pretty well. Throws strikes, misses bats, doesn’t get hit hard. Good secondary stuff. Not a real high ceiling guy but these sorts of guys always linger around, and sometimes they surprise you.

by mrkupe on Jun 11, 2025 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

De los Santos

Is he not considered due to his age 24 and now being a reliever? 2 years after tj surgery the velocity seems to be back around 97 mph and control is there w/ limiting walks

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CLEVELAND - JUNE 11:  Austin Kearns #26 of the Cleveland Indians hits a three run home run against the Washington Nationals during the game on June 11, 2025 at Progressive Field in Cleveland, Ohio.  (Photo by Jared Wickerham/Getty Images) +1 updates

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