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Players are Human: Pitcher John C. Odom Dies

Have you seen this horrible story about the death of minor league pitcher John C. Odom? This has gotten me thinking this morning about makeup and player psychology.

i've written about makeup before.  We have made incredible strides in objective, statistical, sabermetric analysis over the last 30 years. To be honest, the math has improved enough that I can't always follow it (there is a reason I was a history and philosophy student). Sometimes I wonder if we're just inventing new and more complicated ways to express the same basic truths about baseball, and that at some point we will reach a moment of diminishing returns with the numbers. We aren't yet there, especially when it comes to fielding, but it will happen eventually.

So what is the next frontier in baseball analysis? I think it is getting inside the mind of the player. Which brings us back to the death of John Odom. I doubt we'll ever get the complete story of what happened here, but it serves as a reminder that players are not mere number generators. They are human beings, and there are certain things we will never be able to quantify.  

Baseball teams are of course super-aware of personality issues. Many teams use standardized tests, and a good scout will do everything he can to learn about a player's background and personality. But even so. . .is there something we are missing here?

I've occasionally joked about Jungian Baseball Analysis being the next frontier in this area. More on this issue coming up. . .I'm still trying to organize my thoughts about how all this can be integrated.

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To actually get somewhere with makeup, the players and coaches are going to have to accept that going to a psychologist doesn’t mean you are weak which will take some take. It’s funny to because you always hear people ask how much of the game is mental and the answers are usually around 90% and yet the coaches and players spend almost no time on the mental aspect of the game. I know this isn’t exactly what you mean by making strides with makeup but they are going to have to open up the door and let trained professionals in for there to be any progress.

by jfish26101 on Mar 4, 2026 12:38 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Agree

I think baseball analysis is reaching the point where is will be quantifying what we already thought to be true. Recently, I came across something the proved pitchers have a home field advantage. Wasn’t this already thought to be the case?

by faketeams on Mar 4, 2026 1:22 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

+1

All sports are moving past the point of knowing what they want physically in a guy.

Considering how important media relations and all that is…I have no doubt what you term “Jungian Baseball Analysis” will be huge.

by SenorGato on Mar 4, 2026 1:34 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Very Interesting

As a current psychology student I couldn’t be more intrigued.

by Birdfan01 on Mar 4, 2026 1:48 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

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"We could run a nice blog here if we didn't have all these members getting in the way."

by WalrusMan on Mar 4, 2026 3:44 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

For John.

The Basil Fawlty Moderating Strategy:
"We could run a nice blog here if we didn't have all these members getting in the way."

by WalrusMan on Mar 4, 2026 3:44 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Giving it some more thought

I think the next field that statistics will venture into will be the effects on pitch counts, innings, and pitch types on pitcher’s health. As far as baseball as a whole I think the next frontier will be in dissecting pitcher’s mechanics.

by Birdfan01 on Mar 4, 2026 4:12 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

The Next Fronteir

is definitely 3D modeling of balls in play.

MLB is working on this now. Its already amazing what is being done with PitchFX. HitFX would absolutely revolutionize how we measure things like defense and batted ball data. It would make what is done now seem like guessing. Its scary what we could learn.

As for the makeup issues… The Celtics and some others swear by the work of Dr. Jon Niednagel, who specializes in sports personality typing. Yes, that ESFP, INTJ stuff… http://www.braintypes.com/bglobe.htm

That stuff is pretty interesting. Ive been wondering for awhile how useful it would be for MLB entry draft purposes. The only issue is teams sometimes dont know much at all about who theyre drafting… Its hard enough to scout them all on a baseball level… So finding out their personality types or much more about their makeup is hardly feasible. Im pretty sure this is the future, though. Its just hard to say when it will arrive.

by alskor on Mar 4, 2026 4:35 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Dammit

“Frontier.”

by alskor on Mar 4, 2026 4:35 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

sorry but..

i don’t think this story is about the makeup of Odom… we all have our demons …. this is about the asshole who traded him for F’ing bats!!!! WTF???!! ..is this a common thing in baseball? … why don’t you study the makeup of the C*nt who traded him for 10 pieces of wood… holy crap what a disgusting story

by ufo on Mar 5, 2026 5:45 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

-1

This type of thing used to be very common, and basically still is. What’s the difference between trading a player for cash, and then using that cash to buy bats?

Also, I don’t blame a GM/Owner is a player handles a trade badly, it is a shame what happened to Oden, I read this story the night before John linked to it. I think the trade had very little to do with his death, and if it did have an affect on him, then anything could have set him off with the drug use. I’ve worked with a lot of drug users in my line of work, and they will find any excuse they can to use. It could be in celebration, in depression, or just because today they wanted to get high. Users are going to use, the reasons why are just excuses.

It’s not like he was a picture perfect person and this trade just set him off. Sounds like he had a drug problem before the trade, and don’t forget the aggravated assault conviction. Of course there are no details of that, but AggAssault is a very serious crime.

"My mom always taught me it's better to laugh at yourself than to laugh at others. She was so wrong. ;)" -Pedrophile

by Boxkutter on Mar 5, 2026 6:07 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

+1

In sports, human beings are treated like chattel. It is a dehumanizing career, acceptable because you get paid for the humilation. Wrap your mind around the idea of “trading” one human being for another. But it was the norm for sports, so the humiliation lessened over time.
Next time you have a fight with your wife, mention to her your thoughts about trading her for the brunette at the office.
Then this owner trades a human being for bats. Not the stuff of “normal”. Had he been traded for cash, what would the taunts have been. “Hey cashman!”. “Got change for a quarter?” Doubtful.
While not the cause of Odom’s death, this event made the world a little less friendly. Compared to the poverty and starvation going on around the world, it is miniscule, but if we don’t conduct our lives in a way to lift up those we interact with, what good are we?

by slacker george on Mar 5, 2026 6:30 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Perhaps not directly but would a normal human being with a stable, healthy mind fall into the same traps? Would they become a heroin addict? Would they become an alcoholic? I think not. If I were traded for maple bats, I’d tell myself this isn’t the profession for me and move on to bigger and better things. If more emphasis was placed on the psyche of the players and the emotional stability of the players then this sort of thing might be avoided. Maybe the Giants don’t even sign him, maybe they sign him but mandate sessions with professionals…I don’t know because there is almost no importance put on this sort of thing.

The post below by slacker george is correct, athletes aren’t treated as human beings and often no celebrity is in any profession. The general public believes their rights are basically waived because they spend money on their products and should have the right to infringe on the celebrities rights which makes the media do the same so they can get the general public to buy their products. That certainly does give some of the blame to the system but if organizations were concerned with a players emotional health then this sort of thing might be avoided. I think that is where the “makeup” comes in and where if pro sporting teams hired professional psychologists for their you may see less of this sort of thing.

I go to school at a D1 school and every team works with exercise psychology students and teachers. They help them recover from injuries, deal with personal issues, deal with anything they may need help with. John Smoltz has often credited much of his success to the psychologist that he went to early in his career when he was having problems. The problem is coaches and players feel it’s unmanly or weak to do these types of practices even if it will help them succeed. Rich Rod was a good example, he did not respect WVU’s practice of having psychology students work with the players and his mentality is what I believe most professional coaches to be. I’m not sure how Huggins feels about it but I know Beilein was an advocate for it. Just depends but I definitely think there is merit to the idea that work could be done in this area to help and improve players.

by jfish26101 on Mar 5, 2026 9:48 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Damn

That was supposed to be in response to ufo’s post.

by jfish26101 on Mar 5, 2026 9:48 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

ok

i was a little angry when i posted, quick reaction i guess… thanks for those examples, and i agree that sports psychology could help with players in trouble .. all of the above posts make alot of sense, i just think this story is a little extreme and different then most cases, and that the player shouldn’t be the only person in question

by ufo on Mar 5, 2026 3:05 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Wonderful Post

Great post John - looking forward to reading more of your thoughts on this issue.

As someone who will be a licensed psychologist (1 more training year to go), I think this is a huge area for growth and understanding. In my own work, I feel that having a broad and in-depth understanding of the individual’s coping methods & tendencies (both from a behavioral and emotional perspective) is an imperative area for assessment (and down the road, quantitative/statistical modelling)

I feel this area, more than personality and other dispositional type traits, provide a good understanding of how the individual will cope and adjust in the face of future stressors whether they be baseball or non-baseball related.

by ablankface on Mar 5, 2026 10:12 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

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