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Trevor Reckling vs Martin Perez



So I am having a debate with an Angel's over on the Angels major league site fan over these two pitchers. We obviously side with with each team's player but I don't see how he has an argument. Here is his last post:

 

 

"You are so freakin' stupid it's not even funny. Go back to your board troll. Your team lost by 10 games last year and you'll probably lose by just as much again this year. Oh and your stats are off.

Perez Career minor league record: 7-10 ERA of 3.17, 3.4 BB/9, 8.8 K/9, 1.38 WHIP

Reckling's career minor league record: 22-17 ERA of 3.00, 3.8 BB/9, 8.0 K/9, 1.29 WHIP

So, Reckling has a better record, better ERA and better WHIP than your number one prospect. Perez has less than 1 more K per 9 innings and .4 less walks per 9 innings.

Perez has an average fastball that he can kick up to 96 on his best day, decent changeup and decent curveball. He hasn't had any success above A ball yet, was completely ROCKED in AA and you want to compare him to Johan Santana? The kid has one plus pitch and 2 above average pitches

Meanwhile Reckling throws just as hard, hides the ball better and has more movement on his fastball. Reckling already has a ++ curveball, a + changeup and has baffled AA hitters at age 19/20.

It is clear that Trevor Reckling is the better pitcher. There's no doubt that Perez will have success in AA next year at age 19, and similar success as Reckling throught his minor league career. But where they are sep'd is stuff. Major League hitters will eat you alive if all you have is an obvious fastball with no movement at 93 MPH. Perez has neither the offspeed pitches or the control to keep major league hitters honest. Pitchers with only 1-2 good pitches that lack control don't make it out of the bullpen.

Reckling on the otherhand has an assortment of pitches in his arsenal that he will use to keep hitters honest. At the same time though, Reckling still doesn't have the necessary control to be successful in the bigs yet. If he develops more control, he will be a good middle/front of the rotation starter.

Perez will never be a successful major league starter.

Oh and next time check your stats before going on an Angel board and telling an Angel poster he's wrong about an Angel player. Clown."

 

Does he have an argument?

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BTW

the link to the thread is

http://www.forums.mlb.com/n/pfx/forum.aspx?tsn=1&nav=messages&webtag=ml-angels&tid=110035

by FelizCheez on Dec 30, 2025 5:58 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

why even argue on the mlb.com forums

they are full of dumbsh!ts.

baseball rules.

by doublestix on Dec 30, 2025 6:01 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Haha

by FelizCheez on Dec 30, 2025 6:02 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Agree. An intelligent discussion is nowhere to be found on those boards.

by JP_Frost on Dec 30, 2025 6:51 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

He has...

no argument at all. I think he is getting the two confused when talking about stuff.

by joegonzo on Dec 30, 2025 6:03 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

This is Hilarious.

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by cwhitman412 on Dec 30, 2025 6:05 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Go read

the whole argument.

It is quite entertaining

by FelizCheez on Dec 30, 2025 6:07 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I just don't think

Reckling will ever have the control to be a good major league starter. Especially for a guy who doesn’t even throw hard.

by FelizCheez on Dec 30, 2025 6:12 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I actually like Reckling and

think he’s a bit underappreciated on this board … but … he has no argument. Perez is the better prospect. Doesn’t mean Perez will be better, but he’s the better prospect … easily.

by toonsterwu on Dec 30, 2025 6:20 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Way off the mark.
Meanwhile Reckling throws just as hard, hides the ball better and has more movement on his fastball. Reckling already has a ++ curveball, a + changeup and has baffled AA hitters at age 19/20.

The only part of this that is even slightly true is that Reckling seemingly hides the ball well. Better velocity? No. Reckling sits what, like 89-91? His velocity was by far the worst of the pitchers in the Futures Game. Plus plus curve? Maybe +, not “plus plus”. Curve does look great but his command of it isnt quite there yet. Plus changeup? Not really. Could be someday but he’s very inconsistent with it now. “Baffled” AA hitters? Only by the loosest definition of the word. I also dont think many see a whole lot of projection left in him.

Perez is a number of tiers above Reckling as a prospect. Reckling is a very good prospect in his own right, but Perez is close to an elite one. Reckling really needs to improve his command and polish his change and curve a bit. I still don’t love him because he doesnt have great velocity on his fastball, but it does have a lot of sink and he has great pitchability. There’s a lot to like about Reckling but there’s just a ton to love about Perez.

by alskor on Dec 30, 2025 6:24 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

+1

That was one of the most ridiculous arguments I have read in a long, long time. If that guy truly believes Reckling has better “stuff”, he should consider actually picking up a scouting report sometime and reading.

by guru4u on Dec 31, 2025 12:41 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

really a side note

but I think that the ++ curve, + change comments come from FutureAngels.com, as that’s the only site that I’ve seen write that about Reckling’s stuff. Most of the times, it’s usually + curve, solid change.

by toonsterwu on Dec 31, 2025 7:38 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I thought this was a joke so I voted Reckling

Then I saw and clicked the link. Sorry if this ruins the “score keeping”
lol…mlb is full of idiots.

On the Yankee board when they got Freddy Guzman someone wrote that is was so great that we were building our system.

by sjkqw on Dec 30, 2025 6:28 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Well

His first problem is that record and ERA are two of the worst stats to compare minor leaguers on. They have pretty much zero predictable value. I’d also argue that he’s off on his scouting reports. The vast majority have Perez with better stuff. It’s also silly that this person thinks “Perez will never be a successful major league starter.” Really? He’s 18 and just finished putting up a very nice season against much older competition. How anyone could definitely say that he will not be a successful MLB starter after his 2009 season is ridiculous.

Now, I agree that Perez is not a sure thing. And, I agree that Reckling might be a bit underrated at this point. That said, Reckling put up a walk rate of 5BB/9 and a K rate of 7K/9 this season at AA. While he was playing against older competition, he was 20 for the vast majority of the time he put those numbers up. It’s convenient that the Angels poster wants to use career stats when they blatantly hide the fact that Reckling’s AA numbers have some serious red flags. If Perez puts up those numbers at AA in two seasons (his 20 year old season), I will have some very serious concerns about him as well. That said, as an unbiased observer, Perez is the clear choice between these two at this point.

by Dfarth on Dec 30, 2025 6:29 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Wait

Do you think maybe he meant Reckling “baffled AA” hitters by walking so many of them…?

by alskor on Dec 30, 2025 6:34 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Heh

That's why they call them business sox

by egriffey on Dec 30, 2025 6:58 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Virtual cock slap

You’re name has 2k9 in it — what are you some 8 year-old who makes Pillsbury Doughboy cookies and jerks off to that bullshit video game with Tim Lincecum on the cover--
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by Mets2k9 on Dec 30, 2025 6:36 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

His latest ownage of me:

“LOL unbiased? The only people who have voted are you, felizcheese, joegonzo and hitman, all of whom are regulars with the rangers posts through SBNation.

Of course if you ask uneducated id!ot Rangers fans they’ll tell you Perez every time. Ask any scout who has seen the two an he’ll say Reckling every time. Why? Because Reckling is the better pitcher.

Oh and why don’t you address how you completely lied and got your stats wrong and I corrected you? What’s up Ranger troll? Lose another argument so you gotta go get your Ranger e-buddies to try and cheer you up and vote for an unproven 18 year year old with no success in AA?

Loser."

God he sure knows his stuff (sarcasm).

by FelizCheez on Dec 30, 2025 7:40 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

BTW

I didn’t “lie” about my stats, I posted last years instead of MiL career stats.

I also just challenged him to find one scout who thinks Reckling is better.

by FelizCheez on Dec 30, 2025 7:41 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I am a regular ranger poster???

I am a Pirates fan. I think he is just looking for things to add to his argument.

by joegonzo on Dec 30, 2025 7:48 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You might just want to let this go

Save yourself the drama and BS. You dont have to set every crackpot on the internet right. It appears he’s a huge homer and it seems like no amount of evidence is going to convince him.

by alskor on Dec 30, 2025 7:55 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I know this

I just like getting under his skin and forcing him to result to personal insults. haha

by FelizCheez on Dec 30, 2025 7:57 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Your also a huge homer

you just happen to be right this time.

G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....

by t ball on Dec 30, 2025 9:06 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re:

Does he ignore the fact that Baseball America has rated and will rate Perez above Reckling. I’m sure many other orgs have/will as well.

by Dfarth on Dec 30, 2025 10:15 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

he makes up stuff

Like a few weeks ago he said the Angels have the 2nd best rotation, best system, best offense, and best bullpen(I thought this one was especially funny) in all of baseball.

by FelizCheez on Dec 30, 2025 7:55 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

The best part is...

he calls him an unproven 18 yr old with no success in AA. How many 18 year old players are there that have had success in AA. I don’t even think Alex Rodriguez did that.

by joegonzo on Dec 30, 2025 8:41 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Griffey Jr did....

Ummm. Felix Hernandez might have, but they kept him in A+, then skipped him to AAA for his age 19 season. Dwight Gooden sorta the same as Felix, but he started in the majors at age 19, instead of in AAA, then moving to the majors like King Felix. And A-Rod played in A, AA, and AAA as an 18 year old.

AA - 288/391/441 (17 games)
AAA - 311/359/588 (32 games)

I can’t think of anyone else to look up off the top of my head. Anyone else notice that three of the four most recent “teenage major leaguers” were all Mariners?

Adam Dunn: Proof that even sabermetrics doesn't have it right.

by Boxkutter on Dec 31, 2025 1:21 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Greg Miller in 2003

Started 4 games in Jacksonville.
Felix, Perez and Griffey are the only others I can find also.

http://milbprospects.blogspot.com/

by garrioch13 on Dec 31, 2025 7:11 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

This was

intended to be a reply to joegonzo

by FelizCheez on Dec 30, 2025 7:56 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

fail

again haha

by FelizCheez on Dec 30, 2025 7:56 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Hmm

Is it necessary to bring a debate you’re having over there, over here? You know you’re right, do you really need others to back you up.

Look, most people will put Martin Perez above Reckling. However as an Angel fan myself I am pretty fond of Reckling and believe he doesn’t get as much coverage on this website (nor do many Angel prospects) unlike say a Martin Perez.

However your claim that Reckling ‘will never have the control to be a good major league starter’ is just as ‘outrageous’ as a claim that Perez is not the higher ranked prospect.

by TheQuestforMerlin on Dec 30, 2025 8:02 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Good

as in a number one or two starter as he claims Reckling will be.

by FelizCheez on Dec 30, 2025 8:05 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I like Reckling

and I think he’s been a bit undervalued/hyped/appreciated, but I really wonder if he might take some lumps with that delivery. Makes me think of Donnie Veal coming up with the Cubs. He needs to iron things out a bit. That said, he was rushed.

by toonsterwu on Dec 31, 2025 9:46 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

This guy is an absolute joke

“Of course if you ask uneducated id!ot Rangers fans they’ll tell you Perez every time”.

Well, meet an uneducated idiot White Sox fan to tell you the Perez is better. I’m not usually one to play scout or make posts like this but I just couldn’t pass this opportunity up.

Some facts:
- Reckling was 20 at AA, Perez was EIGHTEEN!
- He got rocked in AA as an EIGHTEEN year old (in FIVE starts). So would 99% of EIGHTEEN year olds.
- Using a guy’s record to project him as the better pitcher is completely stupid.
- Perez’ stuff is better.
- Perez’ posted superior K (except in his FIVE starts at AA) and BB rates.

It’s not to say that Reckling won’t be a good pitcher, but this dumb White Sox fan is taking the guy who “will never be a successful Major Leaguer.”

by kmule on Dec 30, 2025 8:18 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for the post

I just wanted to make sure I wasn’t going crazy in thinking Perez is better.

by FelizCheez on Dec 30, 2025 8:38 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Perez really didn't get rocked even

His first couple starts were not pretty but his last three were pretty good, very good when you consider he was a 18 year old doing it

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by bigsteve on Dec 30, 2025 9:53 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

the best part is

a) he seems to want to suggest that AA stats for Reckling indicates he’s better … um SSS for Perez.

b) He seems to want to argue career stats, overlooking SSS in AA for Perez, and Perez’s better performance in Low A at 18 than Reckling’s in Low A at 19.

I like Reckling, but that guy is a bit ridiculous. Furthermore, if you wanted to somehow buy the idea that 21 innings is enough to make a judgment on Perez in AA, I’d argue that Perez’s far better walk rate and better projection is enough to get the nod. Of course, 21 innings doesn’t mean squat.

by toonsterwu on Dec 31, 2025 9:48 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I was just looking at stats

for some of the top pitchers for a blog post and the first 2 names I was looking at were Reckling and Perez. I am looking for players in the recent past and trying to find comps. It seems like the most similar comp is Oscar Villareal from 2001. Not a screaming compliment. He is a tough one to find a comp for, as there haven’t been a lot of 20 year olds in the Texas league that have thrown the kind of innings he has in that league. To me he is the second best pitching prospect in the Angels system after Jordan Walden but not far behind him at all.
I am a bigger fan of Martin Perez than Reckling. The only other 18 year old I have stats on in the Texas league is Felix Hernandez in 2004. Looking at Perez’ SALLY stats, the comparables jump out as Matt Cain and Franc Liriano. We will have to wait and see who ends up better, but I think it is pretty clear Perez has the edge at this point.

http://milbprospects.blogspot.com/

by garrioch13 on Dec 30, 2025 10:03 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Where are you seeing that King Felix pitched in the Texas League?

I am on his thebaseballcube.com page right now, and I don’t see him ever pitching in AA at any point in his career. He spent all of his 2004 in the Cal League.

Adam Dunn: Proof that even sabermetrics doesn't have it right.

by Boxkutter on Dec 31, 2025 1:26 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

it's a typical

angel response though, any criticism of their team and they instantly attack. . .i liked them more when they didn’t have a huge budget to put together a winner. . . before they won the series, i could walk up and get a great seat for 20 bucks. . and there would be 20,000 empty seats

and don’t get me started on their thunder sticks!!

by SoCalSoxFan on Dec 31, 2025 12:19 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

..

Martin Perez…more projection, better stuff, younger and technically at the same level.

Reckling is a good prospect (probably top 100 in most cases), but Perez is top 25…the end.

by soxkid on Dec 31, 2025 2:44 AM EST reply actions   0 recs


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