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These are based on John's letter grades. There were two posts titled "Notable Grade Changes" plus the post the other night that have been factored in. Here is the scale I used;

    Bat Pit
A   17  13
A-  12   9
b+   8   6
b    5   4
b-   3   3
c+   2   2
c    1   1

I just threw that together quickly, so if we want to have a little debate, we could probably improve it. One thing that isn't accounted for and probably won't be is the massive difference between the the absolute cream of the crop. For example, I'd say Price is worth 4-7 points more than Feliz or Bumgarner, but all are rated equal in this system. You've got a little of that with the A- hitters as well.

Mean is 59.7, Median is 56.5.

1 Texas 91
2 Florida 83
3 Atlanta 79
4 Oakland 77
5 Tampa Bay 72
6 San Fransisco 70
7 Boston 70
8 Kansas City 69
9 St. Louis 69
10 Baltimore 69
11 Cleveland 64
12 Minnesota 60
13 Milwaukee 59
14 San Diego 58
15 Cincinnati 57
16 Pittsburgh 56
17 New York Mets 56
18 Seattle 54
19 New York Yankees 54
20 Washington 54
21 Toronto 53
22 Los Angeles Angels 51
23 Colorado 50
24 Philladelphia 50
25 Los Angeles Dodgers 48
26 Chicago Cubs 48
27 Chicago White Sox 47
28 Detroit 45
29 Arizona 41
30 Houston 37

 

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interesting

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by doublestix on Jan 9, 2026 5:24 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I like it

The only real BIB suprises to me using this system is that Toronto is so low and that San Diego did that well.

by wolviex18 on Jan 9, 2026 5:28 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

meant

“BIG” suprise

by wolviex18 on Jan 9, 2026 5:28 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I like it a lot

There is a reason John separates the pitchers and hitters into separate lists. Pitchers are much more fickle beasts and their value to a system should be docked accordingly.

by aCone419 on Jan 9, 2026 5:50 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Or rewarded accordingly...

really, who who would trade Alderson + Holland for Lars?? I’m guessing nobody in their right mind and Theo Epstein is the correct answer.

Impressive that TX is number 1 on this grading scale given that the majority of their top 20 prospects are pitchers.

by rothe on Jan 9, 2026 11:11 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Lars

He’s probably a boderline A-/B+. Change the name to Maybin or Rasmus and things change.

I’d say Anderson < Holland + Alderson

but Maybin > Holland + Alderson

by rwperu34 on Jan 11, 2026 8:06 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

some folks at orioleshangout also ranked them

http://forum.orioleshangout.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1606118#post1606118

by toonsterwu on Jan 9, 2026 6:09 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Mark it down!I- think its effective

Good work!

Oakland may be getting docked a little though anyways….

by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Jan 9, 2026 6:22 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nice.

Good news for my Braves!

by ejruiz on Jan 9, 2026 10:26 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

How about

giving them team GPAs?

by hockey4001 on Jan 10, 2026 11:28 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yeah to me

we have a set scale that is accepted universally for letter grades and that is GPA’s, if you want to give hitters a bit of credit, give them a 1.1x weight (same as most schools give honors or AP courses).

so A = 4.0 if you want to weight it, give hitters 4.4
     A- = 3.7 weighted 4.07
     B+ = 3.3 weighted is 3.85
     B = 3.0 weights would be 3.3
     B- = 2.7 weighted would be 2.97
    C+ = 2.3 weighted would be 2.53
    C = 2.0 weighted 2.2
    C- = 1.7 weighted 1.87

etc.

curious to how that changes things if at all.

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by jbluestone on Jan 10, 2026 12:33 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'd like to see the results like this as well...

But I don’t have that kind of time today.

Dewey, the reason I don’t particularly care for your grading system is the large difference in a B grade to an A grade…If a C is 1 and an A is 17, then a B should be somewhere closer to 7 or 8 IMO. Your giving a B only 29.4% of what an A gets. Not enough…

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by Kenner's Corner on Jan 10, 2026 2:26 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sorry Dewey

Not your post…my bad, you’ve been so active…I just figured it was yours.

"Yesterday Is History, Tomorrow Is A Mystery, Today Is A Gift...That's Why We Call It The Present." Master Oogway (Kung Foo Panda)

by Kenner's Corner on Jan 10, 2026 2:42 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

OT: Is it pathetic

that two years ago in my senior year of high school I devised a stat that calculates a student’s GPA better than actual GPA…

back on topic, I like this alot better. I’m sorry but I’d rather have 6 C+ Prospects than David Price

by Navi's_Navy on Jan 10, 2026 3:13 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Pick of the litter

Maybe if I could have ANY 6 C+ players in all of baseball or Price, I’d pick the 6. But no team right now has 6 C+ guys that I’d take over Price.

"I couldn't do that. Could you do that? Why can they do it? Who are those guys?"

by maxisagod on Jan 10, 2026 7:17 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Foolish

It is so much easier to find C+ prospects. If you’ve got David Price it’s not hard to go find some C+ guys. If you have a chance to get a guy like Price you certainly don’t say to yourself, nah, I’ll just go get a bunch of C+ guys instead.

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by t ball on Jan 10, 2026 10:17 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

wow

are you kidding there? 6 C + prospects instead of Price?

And you say your stat that calculated a students GPA was “better than the actual GPA”???

uh-huh…sure it was.

by oakballnack on Jan 11, 2026 9:42 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Shhhh

If you insult him, he might not tell us about his magical statistic.

by JayWise on Jan 11, 2026 10:17 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You might want to recalculate your GPA.

by slcgiant on Jan 11, 2026 11:19 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I wouldnt either.

Never, Never, NEVER give up

by hero66 on Jan 10, 2026 5:22 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Price

Having that special special advanced but still tons of potential pitcher is always more worthy than having 4 potential players in Short Season and 2 advanced college guys with no potential in AA.

by maneatingbaby on Jan 11, 2026 10:22 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I realize it’s a superstar league, but I think the grading slope is too steep, Is there really a 4 (Pitcher) or 5 (Hitter) point difference (A B prospect, by this scale) between an A prospect and an A- prospect?

I actually like the suggestion of using GPA, as that’s a universally accepted system.

by adropofvenom on Jan 11, 2026 10:36 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Adding on, I think the weighted numbers for Hitters is rather unfair, yes, pitchers are more risky, but they’re also more scarce. There’s more reward in my mind to developing a good pitcher then it is developing a good hitter. I mean, this is a league where people like Jeff Suppan get paid 10 million a year.

by adropofvenom on Jan 11, 2026 10:38 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yes

The biggest value differential is going to be at the top. I’ve always said that at the top of the list, the ranking is more important, in the middle and at the bottom the rating carries the most weight.

If you were to trade Wieters for Maybin, you might not need a B prospect in return. If you were to trade him for Lars Anderson, you’d probably need at least a B+ in return. Maybin and Anderson have the same rating, but there is a huge difference in value. That’s not the case as you move furthur down the ladder.

by rwperu34 on Jan 11, 2026 8:19 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

One questions

how many guys who are now top prospects, started off as C+?

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by jbluestone on Jan 11, 2026 2:12 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That would be a cool fanpost.

"I couldn't do that. Could you do that? Why can they do it? Who are those guys?"

by maxisagod on Jan 11, 2026 3:53 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm curious as to what the "ranking" looks like if you rank pitchers and hitters equally

John has already taken the greater risks of pitchers into account in his grades, as far as I can tell. There are more hitters with the elite grades.

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by PaulThomas on Jan 11, 2026 6:50 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

1 Texas 81
2 Oakland 72
3 Florida 71
4 Atlanta 71
5 Tampa Bay 69
6 San Fransisco 66
7 Boston 65
8 Baltimore 65
9 Kansas City 63
10 St. Louis 62
11 Cleveland 59
12 Minnesota 55
13 San Diego 54
14 Milwaukee 53
15 Cincinnati 52
16 New York Mets 51
17 Seattle 51
18 New York Yankees 51
19 Washington 51
20 Los Angeles Angels 50
21 Pittsburgh 49
22 Toronto 49
23 Philladelphia 48
24 Colorado 47
25 Los Angeles Dodgers 46
26 Chicago Cubs 45
27 Detroit 45
28 Chicago White Sox 44
29 Arizona 41
30 Houston 36

by rwperu34 on Jan 11, 2026 8:22 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Price vs Haren

I wonder who is more valuable, David Price today or Dan Haren one year ago? I’d say that’s a fairly good baseline. The A’s got six guys C+ or bettter, including a B+.

by rwperu34 on Jan 11, 2026 8:10 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Brett Anderson, one of the players acquired in that deal, is ranked on this site as an A-, my friend. That’s a good deal higher than a C+. Not to mentions, guys like Aaron Cunningham, Chris Carter and Carlos Gonzalez, while maybe B+ type prospects originally, could still make “A” type impacts on their perspective clubs. I won’t be surprised if Gonzalez has a 20/20 year this year for the Rockies.

by oakballnack on Jan 12, 2026 4:20 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Anderson

Here are the prospect grades at the time of the deal for the players dealt to Oakland for Dan Haren;

C.Gonzalez, B+
Anderson, B+
Carter, B+
Cunningham, B-
Smith, C+
Eveland, Not a prospect, but safe to assume he would have been a C+ if he had logged a few less MLB innings.

That puts Haren’s value at 29.

The question then is, what’s the difference in value between Price heading into 2009 and Haren heading into 2008? Haren was obviously more established and projected to be better, but you only have him for three years and $16.25MM where Price would cost $9.82MM over five years (~$3.8MM over the first three) with one more arb year at the end…so roughly the same cost for twice as many years.

Another problem is, Price does not represent the typical grade A pitcher. He’s a lot more valuable than Feliz or Bumgarner.

by rwperu34 on Jan 12, 2026 7:26 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Top 20s

Another note. I only ranked the top 20 prospects for each organization. We really should give the extra credit for the teams with extra C+ prospects. The only thing I’m not 100% sure of is if John ranked every C+ or only for select teams. Add an extra point for each C+ ranked outside the top 20.

by rwperu34 on Jan 11, 2026 8:13 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wondering about C+

I was wondering the same thing about C+ guys. Don’t Oakland and Texas have quite a few C+ guys listed and rated past 20? I am not sure John did this the whole way through. I only see Atlanta as listing a lot of C+ guys in the “others in the book” section.

I do think John sees Atlanta as another incredibly deep system, based on his comments, but this makes me wonder if he left out the C+ grade beyond the 20th ranked prospect for a few teams or a few prospects on a bunch of teams. This makes it very difficult to rate the systems past 20 players without asking John or waiting for the book.

by parish on Jan 12, 2026 10:08 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

On Second Thought

Looking back at all of the rankings, I think we can assume that John has been very consistent in identifying all of the C+ players who did not make a team’s top 20.

Prior to ranking the Rangers, at which point he clearly started including all the C+ guys in the top 20() lists. He ranked 13 teams. 9 had top 20 lists that ended with guys who received a straight C rating. Three (Boston, Atlanta, Minnesota) had players not in the top 20 lists that were clearly identified as C prospects. The Rays are the only team that has a Top 20 list which ends with a C+ player and has no other C+ players identified as being in the book.

So, Tampa looks like the only team that could be short changed if you consider players beyond the top 20. However, one would guess, based on John’s consistency, that Tampa has no other C+ guys in John’s book.

Does John include anyone rated below C in his book?

by parish on Jan 12, 2026 10:50 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I would only give points for C+ and above

I don’t think points should be given to C propects because every system is full of them. Every system that has been listed has a bunch of C propects who were not on the list, it seems arbitrary to give credit to a small handful of the C prospects just because they are in a weaker system.

With the information we have from what John has posted, I think the best way to compare systems is to look at C+ and higher prospects.

by DiegoAsFan on Jan 12, 2026 12:08 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You make a good point

What do the scores look like if you add in all the C+’s and take out all the C’s?

by parish on Jan 12, 2026 2:42 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No C

You’ll still have to add in the C+ guys ranked lower than 20. I don’t have that in my spreadsheet. If someone wants to go through all the teams and post the numbers, I’ll add it in.

1 Texas 91
2 Florida 79
3 Atlanta 79
4 Oakland 77
5 Tampa Bay 72
6 Boston 70
7 San Fransisco 69
8 St. Louis 69
9 Kansas City 68
10 Baltimore 65
11 Cleveland 64
12 Minnesota 60
13 San Diego 58
14 Milwaukee 56
15 Cincinnati 55
16 New York Yankees 54
17 New York Mets 53
18 Washington 52
19 Los Angeles Angels 51
20 Pittsburgh 49
21 Seattle 49
22 Philladelphia 47
23 Toronto 46
24 Colorado 42
25 Los Angeles Dodgers 42
26 Chicago Cubs 42
27 Detroit 40
28 Chicago White Sox 39
29 Arizona 31
30 Houston 27

by rwperu34 on Jan 12, 2026 7:04 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Adds in the extra C+ prospects

I just added a point for each C+ prospect outside a team’s top 20.

1. Texas - 95
2. Atlanta - 84
3. Oakland - 83
4. Florida - 79
5. Boston - 73
5. St. Louis - 73
7. Tampa Bay - 72
8. San Fran - 69
9. Kansas City - 68
10. Cleveland - 66
11. Baltimore - 65
12. Minnesota - 61
13. San Diego - 58
14. Milwaukee - 56
15. Cincinnati - 55
15. New York Yankees - 55
17. New York Mets - 53
18. Washington - 52
19. Los Angeles Angels - 51
20. Pittsburgh - 49
20. Seattle - 49
22. Philladelphia - 47
23. Toronto - 46
24. Colorado - 42
24. Los Angeles Dodgers - 42
24. Chicago Cubs - 42
27. Detroit - 40
28. Chicago White Sox - 39
29. Arizona - 31
30. Houston - 27

by parish on Jan 13, 2026 10:58 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Last Year's Rays

They scored 107 with the different ratings for hitters and pitchers and 98 when they were the same.

by rwperu34 on Jan 11, 2026 8:23 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This is really interesting. So Texas is the best this year but not as awesome as the Rays of the past.

Makes sense too.

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by WaddellCanseco on Jan 12, 2026 5:19 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Seems pretty realistic...

just glancing at the list. Thanx RWPeru!

BTW, I’m doing a projection of BA’s Top 100. Will post it sometime before the actual list comes out. Rt now, I have 9 Rangers making it. I dont ever recall that many guys from 1 team making the list, altho perhaps it’s happenned. I think only 7 Rays made it last year. Also, I have 8 As and 8 Rays making it, as well as 6 Marlins. I have the Astros as the only team w no one making it, altho Castro may save them from that ignominy.

by rhd on Jan 13, 2026 8:23 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Looks Like BA has Texas 1 and Fl 2

Chris (Newport beach, CA): Jim, great chat as always! I was wondering when you were doing the minor league top 10’s, which orginization did you have the most trouble with in terms of their top three prospects? Marlins, Braves, other??

SportsNation John Manuel: (2:25 PM ET ) Neat question that I’ll answer even though I’m not Jim. The Braves was very tough — we went back and forth between Jason Heyward and Tommy Hanson; Hanson’s AFL performance and scouting reports were so loud and outsized, and he’s so much closer to the majors than Heyward, that we switched at the last minute. The Rangers top list and the Marlins are also interchangeable, and to me, you could argue Mike Stanton over Cam Maybin easily for the Marlins No. 1, K rate be damned! Those kinds of things tend to happen to strong organizations, and Texas and Florida rank 1-2 in our Org Rankings in the Prospect Handbook, which is at the printers now.

by laxtonto on Jan 14, 2026 2:48 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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