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Sunday Discussion: You're the GM! Oakland Athletics Edition

You wake up today and find that you have replaced Billy Beane as GM of the Oakland Athletics.

So, what do you do with the young pitching staff? How much slack are you going to give Gio Gonzalez? What do you see for the development of Trevor Cahill and Brett Anderson?

Even if you like the pitching, what do you do about the hitting? Is there something wrong with the way the organization has approached the development of hitting prospects in recent years? Is there any hope for Daric Barton?


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I'd trade Bobby Crosby and half his salary for a bag of baseballs

Any takers?

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by grover on Jul 5, 2025 10:09 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't understand why Crosby (and Davis) are the two AN punching bags still

When Orlando Cabrera is having a historically bad season, even with the long hitting streak. There is literally not one baseball thing he’s been good at this year; he’s almost a win below replacement in less than half a season. That’s really, really difficult to accomplish.

by thejd44 on Jul 5, 2025 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's more that Rajai was taking playing time away from Sweeney/Buck.

I want OCab gone as well.

"You end up with a name like ‘Outman,’" he said last week. "What else are you going to do? You’re going to get people out, man." ~ Dallas Braden

Free Travis Buck.

by Blicks on Jul 5, 2025 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

My idea has nothing to do with AN

I just really loath Bobby Crosby.

The monster at the end of this blog.

by grover on Jul 5, 2025 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I do, too, but amazingly Billy Beane has managed to put on a player who is much more detestable

I have a hard time ever rooting for Orlando Cabrera to do anything but get beaned in the face.

by thejd44 on Jul 6, 2025 1:36 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Some thoughts

Gio gets no slack.. IF someone will give you something interesting for him take it.
Love the idea being floated of Holliday and Cabrera for Yunel Escobar.
2B and 3B help are comnig in Weeks and Cardenas so no need to panic.. thier long term.
2010 is not your year 2011 is

by novaoakland on Jul 5, 2025 10:33 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I have trouble believing that this:
Love the idea being floated of Holliday and Cabrera for Yunel Escobar.

is even feasible. Although I’ve heard it a lot. It would be beyond awesome if the A’s can pull it off.

"You end up with a name like ‘Outman,’" he said last week. "What else are you going to do? You’re going to get people out, man." ~ Dallas Braden

Free Travis Buck.

by Blicks on Jul 5, 2025 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Idea was floated by a writer who admitted there was no basis

but that it was just an idea of his.

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by Charlie Brown on Jul 5, 2025 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

possible moves

trade holliday + something else for the best offer
A’s have a commodity in relievers that teams need. wuertz/zieigler/casilla/springer etc. wth a stable of mlb ready AAA pitchers ready to go demel/carignan/hrod/webb/gray/blevins/marshall/kilby etc.

cunningham, barton, patterson, pennington, everidge, petit etc may not have big upside but give them auditions starting now for 2010 and see if they are capable. Some of them are occupying 40 man roster spots so a future roster crunch may be an issue.

A’s spent $35 mill that will come off the books in holliday/giambi/cabrera/crosby/duchscherer/springer after this season. No long term contracts after chavez/ellis deals expire after 2010.

Honestly i’m not you confident in the Buck, Sweeney, Barton group. Only Suzuki has been the hitter to play better than expected. Hopefully the next wave of hitters by late 2010-11 w/ Carter, Brown, Donaldson, Weeks, Cardenas are an improvement.

by Asfan4ever723 on Jul 5, 2025 10:38 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Speaking of Duke

is there any chance he is tradeable this season?

by JetSam on Jul 5, 2025 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not really

I’d try to re-sign him. He’s injury-prone, but he’s also potentially an ace starter for only a few million a year.

Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving

by PaulThomas on Jul 5, 2025 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

I’d put Gio in and see what he does. Today, for example, was a great sign

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by OldProspects on Jul 5, 2025 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Barton got lots of opportunities including all last season.

He needs to prove himself in AAA. Buck needs to stay healthy to earn a starting job.

Charlie Brown GO A'S WIN

by Charlie Brown on Jul 5, 2025 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

A's reliance on one type of hitter

hasn’t worked as well for them lately has it did earlier in Beane’s tenure. A little more variation in the system would be a good thing. A guy can have all the strike zone discipline in the world and walk a ton, but at some point, he’s gonna have to be able to swing the bat. The A’s prospects, save Suzuki, haven’t been able to do that at the MLB level recently.

by smoooooth on Jul 5, 2025 10:59 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

You do realize that this cliche has absolutely no relationship to the actual players in the Oakland system, yes?

Ryan Sweeney and Travis Buck have never been walk machines. Even Daric Barton’s selling point, at the time he was acquired, was that he combined great plate discipline with tremendous ability to hit for average.

I think you could make a better case that the A’s have erred in putting too much emphasis on singles hitting, when singles hitters are precisely the kind of guys who are most hurt by the hitting environment of the Coliseum.

Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving

by PaulThomas on Jul 5, 2025 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

So the A's

have developed a bunch of .230 hitters with no power who don’t get on base, yuk

by smoooooth on Jul 5, 2025 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe the change should

be in their minor league system and getting somebody who can develop some talent. Maybe they already have. I never really thought much of Barton, but I thought Sweeney had a chance to be a pretty good player. I also like Weeks, he has a chance to be pretty special player at 2B

by smoooooth on Jul 5, 2025 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Or maybe getting these guys more MLB ABs.

That’s change #1

"You end up with a name like ‘Outman,’" he said last week. "What else are you going to do? You’re going to get people out, man." ~ Dallas Braden

Free Travis Buck.

by Blicks on Jul 5, 2025 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fire Kubota

He’s not bright.

by ToddyBaseball on Jul 6, 2025 1:29 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Paul, why do you think singles hitters are hurt most by the Coli?

I would think it would be power hitters who lacked Custian power who suffered the most, because fly balls that might leave other yards simply don’t in Oakland. A line-drive hitter (like Sweeney) would seem to benefit from the expansive outfield, and get an extra double/triple here or there.

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by notsellingjeans on Jul 5, 2025 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The outfield is not expansive at all; probably in the bottom third in terms of OF area

Similarly low park factor for 1B, 2B, 3B, and HRs, and the low factor for HRs is due to the weather and high fences in the power alleys, not the dimensions. It’s not at all clear whether power hitters or non-power hitters are hurt more by the difficulty of hitting HRs. Depends on the guy probably.

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by mikeA on Jul 5, 2025 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, I'm pretty sure the negative park effect of hitting in Oakland comes more from climate than from dimensions

although, actually, you could say that about most non-Fenway ballparks. Park dimensions vary by 10, maybe 20 feet in most places. Climate and altitude can make a difference of 40+ feet.

In any event, I’m nowhere near fleshing out my offhand guess above into an actual coherent hypothesis… it was really just a guess based on recent Oakland hitters…

Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving

by PaulThomas on Jul 5, 2025 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i'm very comfortable with the pitching depth...

in both the rotation and the bullpen.

the biggest need would be addressing the anemic offense. Trade holliday to the braves for escobar.

crosby, cust, and giambi have little value, so hopefully you can move them for whatever low level bats and arms are available.

this opens up spots for carter, barton (who is still fairly young), and eventually cunningham, cardenas, etc

by gorilla_baller on Jul 5, 2025 11:03 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Id start drafting actuall hitters and not "walkers".

"Their Triple-A rotation, led by Trevor Cahill and Brett Anderson, could be better than some big-league rotations; Michael Ynoa is the best Latin American prospect of the decade; 2008 draftees Jemile Weeks and Rashun Dixon bring much-needed tools to an advanced group of hitters." - BaseballProspectus.com

by Syphon on Jul 5, 2025 1:11 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

i wish we had gotten smoak. that makes me a sad panda

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by SoCalA'sFan on Jul 5, 2025 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

looks like

they got rid of that philosophy a few years too late seeing as the last hitter they developed was Eric Chavez

by smoooooth on Jul 5, 2025 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nick Swisher can hit.

"You end up with a name like ‘Outman,’" he said last week. "What else are you going to do? You’re going to get people out, man." ~ Dallas Braden

Free Travis Buck.

by Blicks on Jul 5, 2025 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

noted

swishers the man love the guys approach to the game he’d be a blast to play with

by smoooooth on Jul 5, 2025 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

I bet there are countless players who consider him their favorite teammate ever.

by richieabernathy on Jul 6, 2025 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

teammate?

This is sarcasm, right? I’m in Chicago, and they had Huston Street on a radio interview before Swisher ever played here, and he was so obviously relieved that Swisher was gone, it was hilarious… and scary. And he wore out his welcome in Chicago in no time flat. Of course, his inability to hit had something to do with that.

by BobbyMac on Jul 7, 2025 1:46 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Talk about making stuff up

While it’s true that he “wore out his welcome” with the White Sox, that was far more Ozzie Guillen not understanding what LD% and BABIP mean than anything else. It wasn’t that he couldn’t hit. It’s that he had a couple unlucky months and then Ozzie benched him for inferior players.

A’s players have, I think, commented publicly about the locker room atmosphere being not as good since Swisher left. And there hasn’t been anything that I’ve heard in Chicago about players not liking him. I don’t think this matters when it comes to winning games, but the guy is well liked.

by thejd44 on Jul 7, 2025 4:51 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Has it occurred to you that Street was punking him?

Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving

by PaulThomas on Jul 7, 2025 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

See above

Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving

by PaulThomas on Jul 5, 2025 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Step in the right direction as of late.

Just hope some of them pan out.

"Their Triple-A rotation, led by Trevor Cahill and Brett Anderson, could be better than some big-league rotations; Michael Ynoa is the best Latin American prospect of the decade; 2008 draftees Jemile Weeks and Rashun Dixon bring much-needed tools to an advanced group of hitters." - BaseballProspectus.com

by Syphon on Jul 5, 2025 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

When was the last time the A's drafted a guy just because he could walk?

Comments like this, ESPECIALLY from A’s fans, fucking tick me off so much.

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by hero66 on Jul 5, 2025 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lets take a look back...

Pennington/Horton/Doolittle all drafted based on OBP. Dont forget Brian Snyder and Omar Quintanilla.

"Their Triple-A rotation, led by Trevor Cahill and Brett Anderson, could be better than some big-league rotations; Michael Ynoa is the best Latin American prospect of the decade; 2008 draftees Jemile Weeks and Rashun Dixon bring much-needed tools to an advanced group of hitters." - BaseballProspectus.com

by Syphon on Jul 5, 2025 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Doolittle (maybe Snyder) is the only one drafted as a "walker"

Horton, Pennington, and Quintanilla didn’t really walk that much in college. And they were drafted because they were SSs. Not that easy to draft a good hitting SS… Snyder had good power in college and in the minors before he got hurt.

“all drafted based on obp”: what is the problem with that? they should only draft power hitters? should they just draft a bunch of guys like Corey Brown?

With stout hearts, and with enthusiasm for the contest, let us go forward to victory. ----Hero Defector Montgomery

by mikeA on Jul 5, 2025 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I shouldnt have said "All" but a lot of them were.

And the prob is our offense has been terrible for a long time on that draft philosophy.

"Their Triple-A rotation, led by Trevor Cahill and Brett Anderson, could be better than some big-league rotations; Michael Ynoa is the best Latin American prospect of the decade; 2008 draftees Jemile Weeks and Rashun Dixon bring much-needed tools to an advanced group of hitters." - BaseballProspectus.com

by Syphon on Jul 5, 2025 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ironically, Corey Brown actually has very good plate discipline

Probably the best of those six players…

Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving

by PaulThomas on Jul 5, 2025 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

9 Corey Brown's

I’d take that.

by redtopcowboy on Jul 7, 2025 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The guys you mentioned also have another thing in common

All were “safe” picks.

"You end up with a name like ‘Outman,’" he said last week. "What else are you going to do? You’re going to get people out, man." ~ Dallas Braden

Free Travis Buck.

by Blicks on Jul 5, 2025 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sean Doolittle was drafted based on the A's' (correct) assessment that he would develop power

and/or begin showing power that had been masked by Virginia’s cavernous ballpark.

It’s annoying that he got injured, as he was actually having an under-the-radar pretty good season in AAA before that point.

Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving

by PaulThomas on Jul 5, 2025 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Danny Putnam

Any idea who the A’s got back for sending Putnam to the Padres? Transaction was listed in MILB’s Cal League Transactions, but I can’t find any info on it.

Awaiting his arrival in SF: Jesse English

by henwo on Jul 5, 2025 2:21 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

First thing I'd do is build a time machine

And go back to the day when I thought Orlando Cabrera was better than Bobby Crosby. I would not get out of bed that day. I would do the same thing on the day that I thought Jason Giambi was still a good player.

Both of these moves were clearly terrible moves at the time (hey, I panned them, so I can say that). Neither guy’s realistic projections were better than their replacements, yet the moves were made. The Cabrera move, while it has killed the team on the field (and Geren, the worst baseball manager I’ve seen in my life, keeps hitting one of the 5 worst offensive players in baseball 2nd), hasn’t really hurt the future because neither he nor Crosby nor anybody else waiting in the wings is a future starting shortstop. Giambi, on the other hand, is crippling the future. His presence is preventing Daric Barton AND Travis Buck from getting the major league at bats they need.

Let’s start from the top.

First thing I do is fire my best man buddy, Bob Geren. It’s pretty clear that Geren is acting as though he can do anything and won’t get fired. This is evident because he is actually doing things that are so offensive to the intelligent baseball mind that there’s no way he’d still have a job if not for the friendship. Batting Cabrera 1 or 2 all year has hurt the team almost as much as if he had batted Holliday 9th (somebody run the numbers on this. I bet it’s true). Another dumb Geren move: playing Ryan Sweeney against LHP. Rajai Davis has proven that when he gets at least semi-regular playing time, he’s a pretty good player. Below average hitter with a great glove at a premium defensive position is nothing to sneeze at. Against lefties, Sweeney is an ok defensive player and a below replacement offensive player. Yet, most days against lefties, Sweeney is out there. Oh, and how about him getting on Cust in the spring about too many strikeouts, something that couldn’t possibly be an organizational decision (mainly because ONLY Geren said it was a problem). So Cust is swinging at more. And he’s having a terrible year. Good job changing your best offensive player from the past two years, dipshit. I could go on for a month about this stuff, but let’s move on.

Giambi has to go. He serves no purpose and he’s not actually good at baseball. Having a below-replacement 38 year old is inexcusable when you’re not even close to contention. Unless you think you can get something for him via trade, and I can’t fathom what team would want him, the $5.25 million (this year+$1.25 buyout for next) is sunk cost. Release him and get the guys who deserve it the at bats, who actually have a future with the team, in the lineup. There’s also no point in having Nomar on the team. I liked the idea of signing him to compliment Chavez at the beginning of the season, but at this point he’s just taking up a roster spot. He’s also not actually better than the alternatives (Crosby, Hannahan). Unlike Giambi, I think a team might take a chance on Nomar for a bench spot.

This organization looks like it’s really far off, but I don’t think it is. Actually, to me there’s a handful of really obvious things that would instantly improve the team now and for the future. What I don’t understand is why these things aren’t being done. It’s like we’re in some kind of bizarro world where the A’s are winning and the old guys are producing and pitchers don’t keep getting hurt.

by thejd44 on Jul 5, 2025 2:24 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Spot on.

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by travdog6 on Jul 5, 2025 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Totally agree with what you say.
Oh, and how about him getting on Cust in the spring about too many strikeouts, something that couldn’t possibly be an organizational decision (mainly because ONLY Geren said it was a problem). So Cust is swinging at more. And he’s having a terrible year. Good job changing your best offensive player from the past two years, dipshit.

Oh god yes. Absolutely worst Geren move of them all.

This team isn’t far from contention. It just took a HUGE step back this year.

"You end up with a name like ‘Outman,’" he said last week. "What else are you going to do? You’re going to get people out, man." ~ Dallas Braden

Free Travis Buck.

by Blicks on Jul 5, 2025 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is all basically correct

Especially the part about Ryan Sweeney vs. lefties, as he’s never been able to hit a lefty pitcher in his life.

Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving

by PaulThomas on Jul 5, 2025 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

For what it's worth, if the team felt Denorfia > Davis

I would make the same argument. I just don’t understand why Sweeney is allowed to start against LHP outside of some kind of emergency.

by thejd44 on Jul 6, 2025 1:37 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Trade almost everyone....

Giambi, Cabrera, Holliday, etc… and get back as much as you can for each. Start building for the future around the young pitching and good middle infield prospects. Fire the manager and get someone tough who would do good with young players like maybe Phil Garner :) Then trade one of the top pitchig prospects for a good young power bat like Matt LaPorta.

Here are trades I would do: Holliday to Braves for Freddie Freeman and Cole Rohrborogh(whatever), Cabrera and Giambi for anything, and Gio Gonzalez and Adrain Cardenas to Indains for LaPorta. Then I would sign a third baseman when the team is ready to actually compete in a few years.

by joegonzo on Jul 5, 2025 3:58 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

That LaPorta trade is an awful one for the A's.

"You end up with a name like ‘Outman,’" he said last week. "What else are you going to do? You’re going to get people out, man." ~ Dallas Braden

Free Travis Buck.

by Blicks on Jul 5, 2025 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

To get young starters and middle infielders

you want to deal Cardenas and Gio for LaPorta?

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by OldProspects on Jul 5, 2025 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Excellent question

The monster at the end of this blog.

by grover on Jul 5, 2025 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Holy god but that's a bad trade.

Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving

by PaulThomas on Jul 5, 2025 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I endorse this statement

Signed,
DFA

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by designatedforassignment on Jul 6, 2025 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Freeman

is as close to untouchable as a AA player can get (other than Heyward).

by apoxonbothyourhouses on Jul 10, 2025 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

all points well put. +1

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by SoCalA'sFan on Jul 5, 2025 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rec'd

"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."

by lenscrafters on Jul 5, 2025 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

I’d add that you should slide Gio Gonzalez in the rotation, tell him he’s got a job until the end of the year, and then let him make his adjustments.

by demondeaconsbaseball on Jul 5, 2025 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Oh. Totally agree with that.

"You end up with a name like ‘Outman,’" he said last week. "What else are you going to do? You’re going to get people out, man." ~ Dallas Braden

Free Travis Buck.

by Blicks on Jul 5, 2025 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

+100 Buck/Barton Call Up and Play Everyday

Whenever these two guys are called up, they pinch-hit and start once maybe twice a week. That’s not going to work for younger guys.

There is no reason that Travis Buck cannot be the same player as Andre Ethier.

by gunkdog on Jul 5, 2025 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, he has 10 of them...

The monster at the end of this blog.

by grover on Jul 6, 2025 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This about covers it.

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by nevermoor on Jul 5, 2025 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

So I was going to add my voice to this thread and magically everything I was going to say showed up.

Thanks Blicks very well put.

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by designatedforassignment on Jul 6, 2025 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The more I think of it.

Cahill and Anderson belong in AAA right now.

It’s just that Anderson has been making improvements to an extent, that makes me hesitant to send him down. Just the IP/pitch count issues, and service time issues. But he hasn’t wowed.

"You end up with a name like ‘Outman,’" he said last week. "What else are you going to do? You’re going to get people out, man." ~ Dallas Braden

Free Travis Buck.

by Blicks on Jul 5, 2025 6:44 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree. The shot at teh Division failed.

Get rid of Giambi/OCab/Holliday. Send Cahill/Anderson to AAA. Get Gallagher up when healthy and leave him and Gio in all year. Then maybe give Simmons a shot later in the year. Buck/Barton play everyday along with Cunningham. Send Holliday to STL for Wallace.

"Their Triple-A rotation, led by Trevor Cahill and Brett Anderson, could be better than some big-league rotations; Michael Ynoa is the best Latin American prospect of the decade; 2008 draftees Jemile Weeks and Rashun Dixon bring much-needed tools to an advanced group of hitters." - BaseballProspectus.com

by Syphon on Jul 5, 2025 6:52 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Free

Eric Patterson, or trade him. It shouldn’t be too tough to sell high on Adam Kennedy.

by TCapone30 on Jul 5, 2025 7:12 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

scott hairston to A's

italiano/webb/ptbnl to SD

A’s Acquire Scott Hairston
By Eddie Schmid [July 5 at 8:28pm CST]

According to the official Padres Twitter, the Padres have traded Scott Hairston to the A’s for two minor league pitchers and PTBNL.

Hairston, 29, has put up a solid .307/.364/.547 line in 210 plate appearances while manning outfield for the Padres this year. We’ll update you with more information as it comes.

by Asfan4ever723 on Jul 5, 2025 9:56 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Looks like the pipe dream of contending

is still in full effect.

by smoooooth on Jul 5, 2025 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hairston's under team control through 2011

And neither Webb or Italiano had a future in Oakland. Wondering who the 3rd player is though.

The monster at the end of this blog.

by grover on Jul 5, 2025 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah but this inevitably blocks someone.

"You end up with a name like ‘Outman,’" he said last week. "What else are you going to do? You’re going to get people out, man." ~ Dallas Braden

Free Travis Buck.

by Blicks on Jul 5, 2025 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe Sweeney!

The monster at the end of this blog.

by grover on Jul 5, 2025 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thing is, Hairston might be better than the guys he's blocking

And being under control for 2+ years makes that not such a bad thing.

Don’t hate this move, and I’ll really like it if Holliday is moved soon.

by thejd44 on Jul 6, 2025 1:40 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

this

Hairston is the player the guys he’s blocking hope to one day be

by Daniel Berlyn on Jul 6, 2025 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And he's still young!

My complaints in this thread about Giambi (and Nomar) are that he’s old, not in future plans, and not very good. Daric Barton might not be very good either, but I’d rather give it a go with the young guy. Same for Buck.

by thejd44 on Jul 6, 2025 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I have to agree with you.

I would rather it block Sweeney than Buck though, since I think Buck is the better player.

"You end up with a name like ‘Outman,’" he said last week. "What else are you going to do? You’re going to get people out, man." ~ Dallas Braden

Free Travis Buck.

by Blicks on Jul 6, 2025 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, Travis Buck has just been sent down to AAA.

We all know Sweeney can’t hit lefties. He couldn’t hit lefites in the minors, and he can’t hit lefties now.

I want to see Buck.

"You end up with a name like ‘Outman,’" he said last week. "What else are you going to do? You’re going to get people out, man." ~ Dallas Braden

Free Travis Buck.

by Blicks on Jul 6, 2025 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree.

But I don’t think it’s Beane that dislikes Buck. I think it’s Geren. There are certain patterns that have emerged over the past 2 1/2 years that didn’t exist before. Certain guys play when it’s obvious to everyone on the planet they shouldn’t. Certain guys don’t play for no apparent reason.

I’m starting to think that Bob Geren has hijacked the A’s and Billy is having a hard time coming to terms with having to fire his friend. Maybe I’m delusional, but I just don’t believe Beane all of a sudden got stupid and wants some of these horrible things to happen. I think demoting Buck is simply his way of getting him at bats because he knows Geren’s not going to play him.

I just re-read what I wrote and I know I sound nuts. I’m just frustrated because some of this stuff just doesn’t make sense. I wish I could have an hour with Beane so he could explain to me all these seemingly obvious things that we all see but they apparently don’t see.

by thejd44 on Jul 7, 2025 4:56 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hrm, makes sense.
I’m starting to think that Bob Geren has hijacked the A’s and Billy is having a hard time coming to terms with having to fire his friend.

Wild, but logical.

One of the reasons I could probably never run a business, having to be an ass to friends. Or I just wouldn’t hire friends to begin with. Eh.

I’d like to hope that Beane is not stupid enough to pidgeonhole Buck himself.

But then, I’d like to think Lew demanding contention now was the primary impetus behind the Holliday trade and the two subsequent FA signings. Yeah, my opinion of Beane is probably a bit high. Eh.

"You end up with a name like ‘Outman,’" he said last week. "What else are you going to do? You’re going to get people out, man." ~ Dallas Braden

Free Travis Buck.

by Blicks on Jul 7, 2025 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's not a matter of having a high opinion of Beane

Even those who don’t think he’s so great have to admit that his moves recently (if they are all his moves) have been erratic and inconsistent with his past performance.

by thejd44 on Jul 7, 2025 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I DO have a very high opinion of him

and I would agree some of his moves recently have been strange.

by alskor on Jul 7, 2025 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Huh

I… guess I like the deal, pending the third player… doubtful that Italiano and Webb were really worth the roster spots that were keeping them from Rule 5.

PTBNLs always make me nervous, though.

Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving

by PaulThomas on Jul 5, 2025 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I should add that this deal, from San Diego's standpoint, makes almost no sense to me.

Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving

by PaulThomas on Jul 5, 2025 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

Depending on the PTBNL, I really like this deal for Oakland as of now. Don’t care much of Italiano/Webb - potentially useful pen arms, but those can be found. Is Hairston overachieving a bit? Probably, but for Oakland, a controlled OF at that cost allows them to see if a small surge can be made next year, and if not, it could help them get a head start on building for 2010. Hairston in a corner OF spot will be a strong defender as well.

by toonsterwu on Jul 5, 2025 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

who could it be though?

If it’s Sean Gallagher, and it could be, I’ll really be annoyed, but other than him…eh.

by AgitationStation on Jul 5, 2025 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

just to be clear

It can’t be Cardenas, Weeks, Carter, MAC, Gio, Bailey. It’s probably not Buck or Barton. Anybody else, the A’s can lose, no big deal.

by AgitationStation on Jul 5, 2025 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actually, I think/fear it's Corey Brown

in which case I suddenly hate this trade.

CF? Check.
Upside? Check.
Reason for not being immediately included in trade? Check (he’s been injured).
Meets requirements for PTBNL? Check.

Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving

by PaulThomas on Jul 5, 2025 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

nm, supposedly a pitcher per the below

Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving

by PaulThomas on Jul 5, 2025 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like the deal, just not

the inevitable Buck and Cunningham getting even less of a chance for ABs. If Buck goes down to AAA, I will be quite a bit irritated.

And yeah, this makes very little sense from the Padres’ POV, which is what scares me about the PTBNL…

"You end up with a name like ‘Outman,’" he said last week. "What else are you going to do? You’re going to get people out, man." ~ Dallas Braden

Free Travis Buck.

by Blicks on Jul 5, 2025 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I really can't see

Beane forking over a top prospect for Hairston. If he does, though, then yeah, the deal looks a lot iffier (depending on the player).

by toonsterwu on Jul 5, 2025 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not necessarily a top prospect, but even a decent one.

might be enough to tip the scales.

"You end up with a name like ‘Outman,’" he said last week. "What else are you going to do? You’re going to get people out, man." ~ Dallas Braden

Free Travis Buck.

by Blicks on Jul 5, 2025 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

tip the scales?

Put it this way, a guy like Sean Gallagher makes this deal a bit more intriguing for San Diego, and makes a bit more sense (getting a pitcher with some quality SP upside - and it might make some sense for it to be Gallagher to be an option, as they might want to see him throw a bit when he gets off DL before making a decision). Even then, a Gallagher/Italiano/Webb deal isn’t something that I would fret too much over if I was an Oakland fan.

Anyhow, will be curious. Btw, what’s Gallagher on the DL for again?

by toonsterwu on Jul 5, 2025 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Off of MLBTR
Corey Brock of MLB.com tells us that Padres GM Kevin Towers “sounded excited” about the player to be named later, who will be one of two pitchers in the A’s organization. One of these unnamed players reportedly has Major League service time.

I haven’t seen any article from Brock saying that, so copying from mlbtr. Sure makes Gallagher sound like a possibility. Anyone want to venture guesses on the two pitchers?

by toonsterwu on Jul 5, 2025 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If its Gallagher, I will really not like the deal.

No way the A’s should make that deal. Absolute sell-low on Gallagher.

He’s on the DL for knee issues, btw.

But he isn’t supposed to be back for a while, and the PTBNL might be announced in a month…

"You end up with a name like ‘Outman,’" he said last week. "What else are you going to do? You’re going to get people out, man." ~ Dallas Braden

Free Travis Buck.

by Blicks on Jul 5, 2025 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh I hope not., on either of the guys.

I understand equal value, but I just don’t want to do that deal.

"You end up with a name like ‘Outman,’" he said last week. "What else are you going to do? You’re going to get people out, man." ~ Dallas Braden

Free Travis Buck.

by Blicks on Jul 5, 2025 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I just think

that the A’s have soured on Gallagher and he’s a logical choice to be moved. Simmons is a guy I think the Padres feel could be successful in their park. I hear you on that deal, I don’t know if its a OF that the A’s need, don’t they have more pressing holes.

by smoooooth on Jul 5, 2025 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

They definitely have more pressing holes

and they really need to see what Buck and Cunningham can do over an extended series of ABs, and not block them with anyone.

"You end up with a name like ‘Outman,’" he said last week. "What else are you going to do? You’re going to get people out, man." ~ Dallas Braden

Free Travis Buck.

by Blicks on Jul 5, 2025 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What i've seen of Cunningham

he seems like a good 3rd OF, which i mean as a complement. Decent bat decent glove just a good all around player I can’t remember ever seeing Buck play, I’ve seen some highlights of him but no actual games, so i’ll have to take what I read his potential, which atleast seems pretty good

by smoooooth on Jul 5, 2025 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

My gut instinct

Is that this might preface a Matt Holliday trade. However, I am basing this on nothing but my own intution. It seems like a logical conclusion though. The A’s get a pretty good outfield bat that’s controlled for two more years, which allows them to give their other guys time to develop while still having a stable bat in the lineup. It also means that they can trade Holliday for players with a lot of upside that are farther away from the majors, thus making him easier to move (more options = more suitors).

by ajake57 on Jul 6, 2025 12:37 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Stop drafting so many up the middle players with high picks

The A’s are currently starting one position player that they drafted. It’s just not acceptable, especially for a team of such limited resources. They’ve done a terrible job drafting position players and a large part of that is simply drafting too many middle infielders and catchers in the first five rounds, when those players have such low rates of return. It’s a dumb play by the math, and it’s really frustrating that they haven’t figured it out yet.

Actually, they probably need to rethink the entire way they look at position players in the draft, from scouting on up. They have recently made changes to the developmental process once they get the guys, so at least they’re doing something to try and develop more hitters, but there needs to be some overhaul here. I assume the A’s are taking a close look at some of the other teams around baseball that are producing good hitters and trying to figure out what they’re doing that the A’s aren’t. If they aren’t, they sure as hell should be.

Other than that, I would modify the ballpark as much as possible to engender more offense. I would continue to invest heavily in the draft and international market. I wouldn’t change a thing in regards to the way the team drafts, develops, and handles pitchers (Gio ought to get as much rope as needed in this wasted season ftr). I would harass Bud Selig endlessly to open up San Jose. On the micro level, I would play Travis Buck every day. Geren and Beane seem to think nothing of him, but he’s the one young player on the team who has shown star potential in the bigs, and he possesses a skillset the team lacks severely. It’d probably be a good idea to nurture and develop that talent rather than play useless veterans like Nomar and Giambi. There are whispers of personality conflict/attitude issues, and that may be playing a part in his benching. Both sides should get over it. The A’s need Travis Buck in the immediate future.

Bob Geren ought to go.

by AgitationStation on Jul 5, 2025 11:23 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I think the problem is less the players they draft, and more the way they deal with them after drafting them

Specifically, the training regimen of the organization is worthless from top to bottom. A’s prospects in recent years have been riddled with unacceptable rates of injuries. The DL rates in the majors have been ridiculous, but it’s been that much worse in the minors. Just this season, four of the top six position prospects in the system (Doolittle, Brown, Weeks, Cunningham, with Carter and Cardenas being the exceptions) have missed 40% or more of games due to injury. Daric Barton missed most of a season. Travis Buck never made it to 100 GP even in the minors. Second-round pick Grant Desme (2007) played 14 games in his first 2 pro seasons. Cliff Pennington lost most of a year to a chronic hamstring problem, although they kept running him out there for some inexplicable reason.

I can deal with pitching injuries— they happen, and indeed I don’t think the A’s really have more of them than anyone else does. But the position player injury rates are completely ridiculous and unacceptable. Honestly, I think the team would benefit more from spending an entire offseason replacing the medical and training staff from the ground up than they would from actually signing baseball players.

Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving

by PaulThomas on Jul 6, 2025 2:13 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah

If they hadn’t already replaced Cockrell with Alejo, that would have been number one on my list with a bullet. I said on AN a few months ago that the A’s are probably going to be feeling the pains from the Cockrell era for another couple of years. I hope I’m wrong on that one, but improper conditioning can take a long time to show its full effect. One thing I don’t know is how much, if any, oversight Alejo has over the conditioning of the minor leaguers. If he doesn’t have a hand there, which wouldn’t surprise me, and whoever is doing that now is the same person who’s been doing it the last number of years, also wouldn’t surprise me, getting him/them the fuck out ought to be the number one priority. But, I think conditioning is one area where the A’s are selling jeans. From what I can tell, they aren’t forward looking whatsoever in that area. Given the fact that Cockrell was around five seasons (or six, whatever), even whilst the A’s were dropping like flies, I strongly suspect that training and conditioning is one spot where the top decision makers in the organization have never put in much serious thought at all.

by AgitationStation on Jul 6, 2025 2:41 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's a wildly inaccurate description

Cunningham dislocated his shoulder trying to run over the catcher… how the Hell is the training regimen to blame for that? Weeks hurt his hip last season shortly after joining the organization, you shouldn’t hold the A’s responsible for how he was trained in college. The leg problems he endured at the beginning of the year stemmed from the re-hab of the hip injury. Brown and Doolittle suffered in game knee injuries. Barton missed most of a season because he had a baserunner try to fold his elbow the wrong way. Desme hurt his wrist in college and it took multiple surgeries to get things right.

Buck does seem fragile.

The monster at the end of this blog.

by grover on Jul 6, 2025 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Weeks

I saw the Weeks injury live. I don’t know how training or conditioning could’ve altered anything. He lunged for first base, came down funny, freak thing.

I think there Weeks’ injury and maybe some of these others could be the fault of the training staff is in diagnosis and how long the players are out. A good medical staff will not only get players back on the field sooner, but they’ll also not have guys playing when they shouldn’t. There really is no need to have a guy day-to-day for 10 days before putting him on the 15-day-DL (and then 3 days after that, moving him to the 60-day DL).

by thejd44 on Jul 6, 2025 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey, going after the docs is one thing

And if you want to picky and link the trainers to the diagnosis of the injury then I don’t know enough about the inner-workings of the clubhouse to vehemently argue that the trainers are without blame.

But to accuse the staff of incompetence because Cunningham tried to tackle a catcher and left his shoulder behind is without basis.

The monster at the end of this blog.

by grover on Jul 6, 2025 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

One thing I would do

consider moving Ellis to SS next year til he’s gone. He might not be part of the next good A’s team, but they may need a stopgap.

by Daniel Berlyn on Jul 6, 2025 8:36 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

That would cost the A's probably 20 runs a season

Ellis is a fantastic fundamental defensive 2B with a lousy throwing arm. Any ball hit in the 5.5 hole would be an automatic infield hit.

Ellis is not a defensive option at any position other than 2B and, I guess, 1B.

Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving

by PaulThomas on Jul 6, 2025 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

depending on whether Beane cared, of course

 either way, do the A’s even have a SS option for next year? Weeks could rocket through the system if they let him. I’m assuming they’re trying to make Cardenas a third basemen. They really don’t have good position offense as a whole right now and I can’t see them competing next year.

by Daniel Berlyn on Jul 6, 2025 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I honestly can see them contending

The team did take a huge step back this year though, as the A’s know no more about Buck, Barton, and Cunningham than they did last year. I still see Buck as a 96-100 wOBA+ guy with stellar defense out of a corner if he’s given regular playing time. That’s an above average player. Cunningham, unless he takes a step back, should be the starting LFer, another plus defender who’s primary question is with the bat., with Hairston in CF.

Getting Giambi, OCab, Crosby, and Nomar out of regular playing time should improve the team on its own, even if they were all replaced with replacement level players. I know I shouldn’t expect a lot from Pennington/Everidge/Patterson, but if Pennington can be a 1.5-2 WAR/season player, a fairly reasonable goal, and one of the other two can stick in a super utility role, the A’s have two major holes filled.

If the team can get the right personnel on the field now, as in the guys who legitimately might have a future with this team, they have a decent chance at contending next year, although I really would not like them to make any knee-jerk moves (ex. last offseason’s Matt Holliday trade) until they’ve assessed what they have internally and whether they have the resources to contend.

Of course, this all depends on what they do this offseason though. A third baseman is definitely a position of great need.

"You end up with a name like ‘Outman,’" he said last week. "What else are you going to do? You’re going to get people out, man." ~ Dallas Braden

Free Travis Buck.

by Blicks on Jul 6, 2025 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Eh. Left a "next year" off the title of this post.

My bad.

"You end up with a name like ‘Outman,’" he said last week. "What else are you going to do? You’re going to get people out, man." ~ Dallas Braden

Free Travis Buck.

by Blicks on Jul 6, 2025 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

At this point, if Pennington was a REPLACEMENT PLAYER

The A’s would have one more win than they do because of Cabrera.

And no, two meaningless homers the past two games don’t convince me he’s not bad anymore. Guy just can’t play at a major league level. He had a 15 game hitting streak or something like that and I don’t think his wOBA or WAR improved at all. I didn’t even know that was possible.

by thejd44 on Jul 7, 2025 4:59 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Whether he cared... about intentionally causing his team to lose baseball games?

Um, I’m going to go way out on a limb here and suggest that yes, in fact, he does care about such things.

There’s no real point in tanking to get Bryce Harper anymore, as it looks like he’s going to be eligible next season and the Nationals have already won the race to the bottom. That’s about the only explanation I could come up with for why anyone would voluntarily choose to play Mark Ellis at shortstop.

I mean, you could literally take any other player in baseball, Molinas included, and you’d be better off with Ellis playing second and the other player playing shortstop.

Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving

by PaulThomas on Jul 7, 2025 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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