Better Minor league System?

by even meek on Nov 2, 2025 9:34 PM EDT

In our league, there has been controversy over the best minor league team. I would really appreciate some feedback, thanks.

Team 1- Gerrit Cole, Martin Perez, Manny Banuelos, Trevor Bauer, Matt Harvey, Devin Mesoraco, Aaron Hicks, Brad Peacock, Hak-Ju Lee, Robbie Erlin, Deck McGuire, Drew Hutchison, Kyle Gibson, Oscar Taveras, Robbie Grossman, Chester Cuthbert, Anthony Gose, Tony Sanchez, Derek Norris, Andrelton Simmons

Team 2- Jurickson Profar, Taijun Walker, Nolan Arenado, Noah Syndergaard, Juerys Familia, Eddie Rosario, Danny Hultzen, Travis d'Arnaud, Kody Hinze, Nector Molina, Jonathon Schoop, Rymer Liriano, Corey Dickerson, Edwar Cabrera, Angel Songco, and the great Scott Van Slyke.

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Team 1

by Hak Ju Lee on Nov 2, 2025 10:02 PM EDT reply actions

Team 1

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by vifinn on Nov 2, 2025 10:10 PM EDT reply actions

1

by AckAttack on Nov 2, 2025 10:17 PM EDT reply actions

Team 1...

has the edge in both quantity and quality.

by rhd on Nov 2, 2025 10:17 PM EDT reply actions

what

Does your league award a make believe trophy for all the make believe wins that the “best minor league system” earns?

by mrkupe on Nov 2, 2025 10:21 PM EDT reply actions

what?

I think it could be argued that it’s actually more valid to discuss ones rankings of thier fanatsy leagues minor league system, than to discuss the ranking of actual big league systems. They are actually involved in it after all and, have a stake in it. Having a good farm system turns into real wins also, not just fantasy ones right? It is “Real” within the concept of thier league anyways.

Thier league is obviously of no specific interest to anyone here but, as an excercise, we are once again looking at the same ballplayers, that we all recognize, in a new way. It’s anotheer chance to evaluate them, if we choose, so it has some relevance, doesn’t it?

I mean, a great proportion of what we all do here is discuss prospects,where they rank, then where the orginizations rank. Are you really trying to decrease or, belittle, interest in these things?

I sometimes question the meaning and, importance of these things in my life as well but, what exactly are you trying to say? Is there something that you do, in general, that is better than what this guy is doing? We are all just fiddiling around with baseball stats, and watching baseball, to one degree or the other right?

I’m just asking.

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by casejud on Nov 3, 2025 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions

not trying to belittle anybody

More like, I don’t get how arguing over these two groupings of prospects is in any way productive for anybody involved. Whatever the conclusion, the players involved aren’t inherently more or less valuable. Claiming that Player A’s farm system is better will not improve the odds of his prospects becoming successful major leaguers.

I’m all for thoughtful evaluation, comparison, and discussion of prospects within the context of fantasy baseball. This is none of those, and we don’t know anything about the context of the league (how is it scored? Roto or H2H? how many keepers can you have? how big is your minor league system? is there a limited period of team control for each prospect?); in other words, it’s basically a rather sophomoric dick-waggling contest.

I’m not really a fan of “organizational farm rankings” either, for much the same reasons listed above, with the additional complaint that just using a moment-in-time snapshot of a farm system is relatively useless compared with the much more informative “players under age 25-27” (choose your fancy) rankings. I’ll participate in such discussions even still to make the best contribution I can, but the utility of those discussions is rather limited.

by mrkupe on Nov 3, 2025 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions

Fair enough

I have to admit that my biggest problem with these kinds of questions is not thier usefullness, much of most things usefullness can be questioned but, the lack of contextualization. Like you said.

There is a sense of evaluating the players again, so that gives it a thread of relatability, I suppose. I find uit up to them to draw whatever conclusions they want tyo from it and, just answer it if I find it interesting. I’m a pretty liberal person though. I don’t tell people what to do much. I see you point of view better now though. Sorry, If i came off harsh.

I agree with you on ORG rankings and, have always thought our rankings on here should unclude more anaalysis of players who are transitioning to the big leagues - Smoak, Moustakas, Beavan, all these guys - instead of dropping them off and saying, “Ok, you are big leaguers now! Bye!”

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by casejud on Nov 3, 2025 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions

I'm endlessly fascinated by Beavan

There really aren’t very many guys at all who pitch like him, and it’s going to be interesting to see how (how long?) that works for him (note: look at his BABIP). I’ve never seen a guy throw so many fastballs in pitchers’ counts.

by mrkupe on Nov 3, 2025 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions

I watched nearly every start

and I both, really like him and, am not optomistic. He reminds me of what a lot of people were saying about Madison Bumgarner except, despite what people were saying Madison both has a great fastball and great fastball command.

Beavan has good fastball command, and lots of courage but, not that good of a fastball. I don’t know how he does it. Actually I do somewhat. He located ghis fastball well when he was good and, has nice park to pitch in for his approach to pitching.

I also never look at anybodys BABIP. I find it useless. So Beavan is good at throwing off hittrs timing? That is what he is supposed to do right? I admit I could be missing something important here about BABIP but, I always finmd the converations involving it so distasteful, that is hard to glean thinfgs I could use.

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by casejud on Nov 3, 2025 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions

beavan

His fastball command is decent, but I’m not even sure I’d qualify it as “good”. He can throw strikes when he wants to, but his command in the zone really isn’t anything special.

He has such an odd approach. He doesn’t seem to use his secondaries very much at all once ahead, preferring to pound away with fastballs to get batters out. In a way, he’s a bit of a sabermetric darling as he’s a great example of a pitcher aggressively exploiting the weakness of batters who are behind in the count. On the other hand, his approach means that he doesn’t strike out anybody. The guy managed to give up 106 hits in 97 innings this year - and that’s with BABIP against him being .280! If it was anything like league norms (or, really, anything like what he did in the minors), he would have gotten crushed.

My guess is that he gets mauled next year, but who knows, he’s gotten this far.

by mrkupe on Nov 3, 2025 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions

I agree

Then again, he didn’t walk anybody in the minors so, his control and comand could get even better so, who knows.

guys who pitch with a lot of confidence and, have the right park behind them can go along way.

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by casejud on Nov 3, 2025 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions

1

duh

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by mathisrocks5 on Nov 2, 2025 10:53 PM EDT reply actions

The only controversy is

That team 2 is being compared to team one, it’s not that close

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by fourfingerwoo on Nov 2, 2025 10:55 PM EDT via mobile reply actions

I'd put the top few guys on team 2 aainst the top few guys on team 1, no problem

its the sheer depth of talent on team 1 that makes it the winner, though.

by dbreer23 on Nov 2, 2025 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs

Pitching Heavy

Team #1 is pretty stacked with SP prospects. Team #2 has some very nice younger talent. On mass, we would agree Team #1 has more. We do admire some of those lower guys on Team #2, though. heh

by Hairylady on Nov 3, 2025 7:14 AM EDT reply actions

Team 1

Not close either

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by punto4mvp on Nov 3, 2025 9:27 AM EDT reply actions

Team 1 in a landslide

by PrincetonCubs on Nov 3, 2025 10:23 AM EDT reply actions

team 1

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by feslenraster on Nov 3, 2025 11:18 AM EDT reply actions

Since they are both tied with 3 Jays

you have to give the edge to the team with Nector Molina.

by Matthew Mueller on Nov 3, 2025 1:33 PM EDT reply actions

Team 1

Although I have to admit the challenge here is that you’re comparing a team of mostly advanced/nearly-ready prospects vs a team of younger prospects. Who’s to say three years from now alot of the guys on Team 1 crap out in the bigs, and the guys on Team 2 are now mostly AAA and among the best prospects in the game?

Having said that, I would rather have Team 1’s system, hands down.

by Ghost_of_Brien_Taylor on Nov 3, 2025 3:47 PM EDT reply actions