Detroit Tigers Top 20 Prospects for 2012
Detroit Tigers Top 20 Prospects for 2012
The list and grades are a blending of present performance and long-term potential. Comments are welcome, but in the end all analysis and responsibility is mine of course. Full reports on all of players can be found in the 2012 Baseball Prospect Book. We are now taking pre-orders. Order early and order often!
QUICK PRIMER ON GRADE MEANINGS:
Grade A prospects are the elite. They have a good chance of becoming stars or superstars. Almost all Grade A prospects develop into major league regulars, if injuries or other problems don't intervene. Note that is a major "if" in some cases.
Grade B prospects have a good chance to enjoy successful careers. Some will develop into stars, some will not. Most end up spending several years in the majors, at the very least in a marginal role.
Grade C prospects are the most common type. These are guys who have something positive going for them, but who may have a question mark or three, or who are just too far away from the majors to get an accurate feel for. A few Grade C guys, especially at the lower levels, do develop into stars. Many end up as role players or bench guys. Some don't make it at all.
A major point to remember is that grades for pitchers do NOT correspond directly to grades for hitters. Many Grade A pitching prospects fail to develop, often due to injuries. Some Grade C pitching prospects turn out much better than expected.
Also note that there is diversity within each category. I'm a tough grader; Grade C+ is actually good praise coming from me, and some C+ prospects turn out very well indeed.
Finally, keep in mind that all grades are shorthand. You have to read the full comment in the book for my full opinion about a player, the letter grade only tells you so much. A Grade C prospect in rookie ball could end up being very impressive, while a Grade C prospect in Triple-A is likely just a future role player.
1) Jacob Turner, RHP, Grade A-: I think he could use some additional Triple-A exposure, but the Tigers may have different ideas. I don't see him as a number one Verlander-like ace, but more like a durable workhorse number two.
2) Nick Castellanos, 3B, Grade B+: I'd like to see his strikeout rate come down, but overall he had a successful season after the rough first month. Will he develop more home run power at the expense of batting average?
3) Casey Crosby, LHP, Grade B: High ceiling, could develop into a number two starter if he can resolve control/command problems. Needs a good dose of Triple-A.
4) Andrew Oliver, LHP, Grade B: Like Crosby, he has a high ceiling as a power lefty but has to get the walks down and develop his secondary pitches further. His ERA at Toledo was misleadingly high and I am cutting him some slack with the grade as a result.
5) Drew Smyly, LHP, Grade B: Doesn't have Crosby or Oliver's stuff, but superior command stands out as a big plus. If you could combine Smyly's command and secondary pitches with Oliver's fastball, you would have a pure Grade A talent. Of course, if I could combine my brain with Brad Pitt, I'd get a lot more chicks.
6) Tyler Collins, OF, Grade B-: I really like this product of the 2011 draft and this is an aggressive grade.
7) James McCann, C, Grade C+: Second round pick from Arkansas, very impressive defensive catcher with a chance to hit, although 2-for-34 streak in Low-A is inauspicious career opener.
8) Brian Flynn, LHP, Grade C+: Big lefty out of Wichita State (seventh round) showed more polish than expected to go with his 90-95 MPH fastball.
9) Aaron Westlake, 1B, Grade C+: Big booming bat from Vanderbilt picked in the third round. Main issue here is age, at 23 he needs to move quickly.
10) Eugenio Suarez, SS, Grade C+: Who? Venezuelan shortstop gets good reviews for glove and showed some pop as a 19-year-old in the New York-Penn League. I like him better than the Dixon Machado and Gustavo Nunez all-glove-no-bat types.
11) Tyler Gibson, OF, Grade C+: 15th round pick could have gone in second round if not for Georgia Tech scholarship. Mixed reports about his tools, but power bat is well-regarded. Would like some pro data before ranking higher.
12) Jay Voss, LHP, Grade C+: Sleeper prospect performed better after moving to rotation. Good slider, decent fastball, showed better command this year. Could get to majors in 2012.
13) Daniel Fields, OF, Grade C+: Went backwards in second year in High-A, but the tools are still here and he was still young at 20. Gets some slack with the grade for one more season but Double-A will be a big challenge. Would rank as high as 6th on tools alone.
14) Alex Burgos, LHP, Grade C+: Doesn't burn radar but performed well in the Midwest League at age 20.
15) Kyle Ryan, LHP, Grade C+: Projectable lefty also had a good season in the Midwest League. More hittable than Burgos but has better command at this point.
16) Bruce Rondon, RHP, Grade C+: Power-armed reliever would rank higher if not for sore shoulder that ended season early, plus control issues will factor in against better hitters.
17) Brenny Paulino, RHP, Grade C+: Above-average fastball and very projectable, needs to develop more consistent secondary pitches and prove himself above GCL. Stock will rise quickly if he does that.
18) Danry Vasquez, OF, Grade C: Young and toolsy, Tigers praise his bat but he could not control strike zone in rookie ball. Young enough to learn, stock will rise fast if he does so.
19) Avisail Garcia, OF, Grade C: Big (6-4, 235), strong, fast, hit 11 homers and stole 14 bases in High-A at age 19/20, but with a horrific 18/132 BB/K ratio in 488 at-bats. Dismal approach at the plate short-circuits his tools.
20) Duane Below, LHP, Grade C: Serviceable lefty is ready to help now, could fit in bullpen or might surprise us as a fifth starter with a bit of luck.
OTHERS: Dan Bennett, RHP; Rob Brantly, C; Josue Carreno, RHP; Kevin Eichhorn, RHP; Kenny Faulk, LHP; Mean Dean Green, 1B; Matt Hoffman, LHP; Jamie Johnson, OF; Ramon Lebron, RHP; Brandon Loy, SS; Dixon Machado, SS; Luis Marte, RHP; Gustavo Nunez, SS; Adelin Santa, 3B; Ryan Strieby, 1B; Tyler Stohr, RHP; Adam Wilk, LHP; Austin Wood, LHP.
This is a difficult farm system to analyze. You have five obvious guys at the top, but then things get very hard to distinguish, with a huge group of C+/C prospects that you could rank in an infinite number of ways.
If you are a tools hound, guys like Fields, Gibson, Garcia, Vasquez, and bonus baby Adelin Santa will appeal to you and would rank higher than I have them here. If you are of a more sabermetric bent, players with lower ceilings, but higher floors like McCann, Westlake, Voss, and Ryan look more attractive. I try to find a balance between the two approaches, though when in doubt I lean sabermetric in most (not all) cases and the list reflects that. Of the tools guys, I think Tyler Gibson in particular could rank much higher next year.
I'm noting Eugenio Suarez as a player who needs more attention than he receives. He's got some tools, should be able to stick at shortstop, and was an above-average hitter in the pitching-oriented NY-P League at age 19. Tyler Collins is also an aggressive ranking.
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In my honest opinion, they should feel fortunate that Collins, Westlake and McCann all few to them.
Once again they seem to always get some above average talent without high draft picks or even a pick at all in the 1st round.
As a Twins fan its kinda condecending how they couldn’t get a Matt Hoffman or Drew Smyly or even a Duane Below, Adam Wilk or Sanchez/ Suarez instead of Cole Nelson, to go along with Oliveros for Delmon Young.
Just like last year the D’ Backs got David Hernandez and Kam “the man” Mickolio for Mark Reynolds. The Twins for JJ Hardy to same Bal. team, ? Their return was James Hoey , and Brett Jacobsen.
Seattle this year recieved Ruffin, and Furbush for Fister at least somewhat promper compensation, not to mention they have Casper Wells now. The Twins for Young Oliveros and Nelson. I’m guessing Oliveros would rank in the “others” category but I’m sure Nelson wouldn’t even warrant a mention.
1 Guy I thought may crack the top 20 was Dixon Machado, still relatively young and really fluroushing in the AFL he seems to be a guy possibly on the fast track, and I really like his makeup and athleticsm. He should be at least a fine uitliy man i would like to think.
Good list, Detroit is still a bottom 5-10 farm in MLB, but they do a fine job with little to now picks in the early rounds the last few drafts.
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Oct 31, 2011 4:13 AM EDT reply actions
Love the overall list …. Castellanos, McCann and Westlake all very impressive. Collins may be a little stretch that high.
Slowey …. Machado – think Sickels is right on here – I don’t know if you can call .188/.278/.313 exactly flourishing in the hitter-friendly AFL. His line of .235/.314/.247 with only three extra base hits all year in Low-A is a concern … still young -plenty of time to develop though.
by bravesfaninchitown on Oct 31, 2011 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Machado...
The dude’s a stick. And sticks don’t even want to be associated with him…
He’s listed at 6’, 140 lbs., but that’s probably after a full breakfast…
However, at only 19 years of age, he’s got plenty of room to grow. While I doubt he’ll be more than a scrappy, slap-happy hitter, his glove (and speed) was very impressive in West Michigan.
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by DetroitTigersGeek on Oct 31, 2011 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions
wow, i was wrong
hmm weird how i thought that, thanks for this ^^
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Oct 31, 2011 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions
McCann
didn’t fall to them. Most thought of him as a 3rd rounder, but some expected a team to pop him earlier because of the lack of quality college catchers in the draft. Westlake might have went a little later, but there are reasons for that. As with Collins, he looks like a gem for the 6th, but we will see when he gets to full season.
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Are Eugenio Suarez and Eugenio Sanchez the same person?
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10) Eugenio Saurez, then “I’m noting Eugenio Sanchez as a player …”
a lot of LHed pitching.
not much else.
by ThnkGoodnessforHowieRose on Oct 31, 2011 9:38 AM EDT reply actions
Guy Smyly
Interested to see how Drew Smyly does at AAA in 2012. He was great in 2011. I also have Kyle Ryan and Dan Bennett in my system, so rooting for them to reach their ceilings
i feel like
casey crosby has been a risky high-ceiling pitching prospect literally since i was a baby. i’m 35
Castellanos
How does the B+ factor in his glove? Are you grading him as a first baseman (i.e., is he a B+ prospect at first?), or are you grading him as a third baseman, or some of each (could go higher if he sticks at third, could drop if he moves to first)? Just curious.
Also, if you were a betting man, what odds would you give that he does stick at third?
Not really ragging on Casty
. . . but, Oscar Tavares of the Cardinals played in the same league and hit a LOT better. I know Casty had less experience before this year, which may be big. However, I just thought it was interesting that the predominant argument against Tavares being a top prospect is scouting reports, and tools.
I don’t see Castellanos running better, projecting to have more defensive value, or having more power . . . or better plate disciple. Or, am I wrong? They are the same age (OT is a couple months younger) and Tavares was a lot better hitter. Shoot, he was a lot better hitter than almost anybody.
I cqan Casty being a B+ but, i think OT deserves a higher grade than him.
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first of all, it’s not assumed he’s going to move off 3B. the bat is ahead and more projectable than the glove right now, but he is going to get every chance to stay at 3rd. so i wouldn’t grade him as a LF or 1B yet.
i also get the impression that if he does not stick at 3rd, it’s because he has grown out of it, in which case i assume people/scouts think that in the process of growing out of 3B he will become a much stronger/more powerful hitter as well.
as far as hitting, right now i think he’s a line drive hitter who goes to all fields and can hit the gaps. if he hits a home run there’s a good chance it’s going out to CF. when/if he starts pulling the ball a bit more (and gets to a non-pitchers park), HR/ISO is expected go up.
Wouldn't he move to RF because of his arm?
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by David Tokarz on Oct 31, 2011 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions
perhaps, but
Left field seems to be thought a more natural transition for a third baseman, if only because he’s oriented on the same side of the field with a similar line of sight.
Westlake
Don’t like him that high at all. I just don’t see this guy becoming the hitter that everyone seems to think. He lacks the type of bat speed you would like to see from a 1st baseman, and frankly, I think Dean Green is a much better hitter. Westlake is a way better defender than Green though.
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Fields and Garcia
I think you should switch these. Yes, Garcia has plate discipline issues, but he played better at the same level as Fields, and he is a little younger. He has more power, is a better runner, and has a better arm. And it isn’t like Fields displayed good plate discipline either. Both very toolsy guys, but besides a few more walks, there isn’t much else to like from Fields over Garcia. He actually strikes out more too, though neither guy is good in that category either.
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+1
I might actually like Garcia in the top 10 here, he had some of the best tools I saw in this league.
"but besides a few more walks"
Let’s be fair to Fields in this regard, his plate discipline is substantially better than Garcia’s. Garcia hit .264 with a .297 OBP at Lakeland. Fields hit .220 in only 20 less PAs…and bested Garcia’s OBP by 10 points.
Fields OBP sucks too.
But I grant you that, he is a little more patience than Garcia. But Garcia has a better arm, better base running ability, and more power at this stage, and with his body type, I don’t see that changing. Fields and Garcia both don’t pitch recognize at this stage very well at all.
I’m just saying, if you compare the two players side by side, and you can because they are in the same league, same team, and approximately the same age. Garcia wins. Therefore, he should be ranked ahead because Fields tools are not so much better than Garcia.
If people want to disagree with that, it’s fine, just my opinion from watching them.
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the question is
Was he drawing the walks because he has great plate discipline, or was he drawing walks because he had no clue what to do at the plate other than standing there?
Combination of both
He doesn’t recognize pitches well, so he isn’t as aggressive as Garcia. A lot of Latin guys swing the bat to get off the island so to speak. There are few guys that show quality plate discipline. Taking walks doesn’t get you readily recognized. If Garcia doesn’t develop more discipline in the next 2 or 3 years, he will end up much like a lot of guys, struggling to make it out of AA. Same could be said for Fields though.
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#5 SP
Its Turner’s to lose, with guys like Oliver, Below, and others given a shot as well. I’m not convinced Turner is ready just yet, but I think the Tigers have had plans for him to be in their rotation in 2012 for at least two years now.
I’d like to see them bring in a low level FA SP who could be a swingman, or perhaps someone on a minor league deal that perhaps buys Turner a little more time in the minors.
At least he only has to replace Brad Penny’s numbers. haha
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