Winter Hot Stove Report: Volume 3!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post any trade or free agent signing rumours you read here. If possible post a link or quote a source directly.
Some recent rumours from MLB trade rumors:
1. The Redsox are close to acquiring Adrian Gonzalez from the Padres. Heath Bell is rumoured NOT to be going to Boston in the deal.
2. The Yankees are working into the night to sign Jeter. It is rumoured he will get $19 million/season over 3 years with a vesting option
3. The Yankees are looking into signing Crawford
4. The Rangers remain the #1 contender for Greinke
What are some other rumours that you have found interesting?
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Mildly curious what prospects are being discussed in AGon deal
If the Red Sox pull this off without giving up a major league player, bravo to them. Sounds like upper level talent will form the crux of the deal, so have to imagine guys like Kelly/Rizzo being in the discussion (otherwise, I really fail to see how they make an enticing enough offer without one of the two). I wonder if they can pry Iglesias away.
by toonsterwu on Dec 4, 2025 2:03 AM EST reply actions
Who's the best defensive CF in the Red Sox system?
I’d guess San Diego would be trying to acquire him.
Now would this be Fuentes? Would San Diego be willing to take the chance on Westmoreland? Would they prefer someone closer to the bigs? No idea…
by theatlfan on Dec 4, 2025 3:34 AM EST up reply actions
best defensive cf
is probably Che-Hsuan Lin. Plus range, plus arm. He might be a useful 3rd or 4th piece to a deal, but I imagine it’s going to take at least one of Rizzo or Kelly, and probably both, to get it done.
by toonsterwu on Dec 4, 2025 3:42 AM EST up reply actions
i don't see CF as a priority for them
i’m sure they are keen to give maybin a shot and will give him a long leash to prove his worth…….in that ballpark he could be a really good fit
kelly, rizzo, and iglesias is probably the package the pads are gunning for
by Wheelhouse on Dec 4, 2025 4:40 AM EST up reply actions
Well
You could have said that Tony Gwynn, Jr. was a good fit for that ballpark too.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qU_9zTD9B98&feature;=related
Apparently there's an epilepsy warning on this video. But it's so incredibly cool.
by IHateSouthBend on Dec 4, 2025 4:25 PM EST up reply actions
And he was
until his cost rose above league minimum.
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by gatling on Dec 4, 2025 5:08 PM EST up reply actions
To $1MM or so?
I know their payroll is like $30MM (exaggeration), but you only need 25 guys.
Maybin and Gwynn are too similar in value at the same position (despite their completely different offensive ceilings/approaches) to have wasted Webb in order to save that little money. Just an opinion.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qU_9zTD9B98&feature;=related
Apparently there's an epilepsy warning on this video. But it's so incredibly cool.
by IHateSouthBend on Dec 7, 2025 9:24 PM EST up reply actions
It wasn't just to save money
They also get to gamble on Maybin’s upside at league minimum for the next two years. A bullpen arm like Webb is definitely worth that gamble, especially when San Diego has such a deep bullpen and seems to find a reliever or two every year.
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by gatling on Dec 8, 2025 12:37 AM EST up reply actions
I believe Kelly is definitely in the deal
Should make my trips to San Antonio next year very interesting.
by mrkupe on Dec 4, 2025 9:59 AM EST up reply actions
Kid has good stuff but doesn't know how to locate a fastball
He threw his 92 MPH fastball too often in the zone and high as well. That was the big reason why he was hit all year.
by Bravesin07 on Dec 4, 2025 10:05 AM EST up reply actions
eh, we'll see
San Antonio is favorable to pitchers, even if the mid-summer heat (game time temperatures often in the mid-high 90s) is brutal.
by mrkupe on Dec 4, 2025 10:23 AM EST up reply actions
Kelly/Rizzo/Fuentes
Per Gordon Edes.
A blow to the system for sure but the goal of a farm system is to help the major league team and Adrian Gonzalez is EXACTLY the type of guy you trade these prospects for. Great deal
Brandon Jacobs of Lowell > Brandon Jacobs of NYG
by Lesterfan on Dec 4, 2025 10:34 AM EST up reply actions
Really solid return
Casey Kelly is still elite.
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by jar75 on Dec 4, 2025 10:47 AM EST up reply actions
seems good to me too
Gets the Red Sox Gonzalez for a cheap price next year and an exclusive window to get the parameters of his big contract-to-be mapped out.
by mrkupe on Dec 4, 2025 10:57 AM EST up reply actions
Am I the only one who isn’t in love with Rizzo? A nice prospect, to be sure, but I guess I just have a high standard when it comes to first basemen.
by PhillyFriar on Dec 4, 2025 12:05 PM EST up reply actions
I should add, though, you’re right about the haul — with the limited number of teams that can afford to pay Gonzalez, and the going rate for rent-a-stars in deals lately, it’s a pretty solid haul for the Padres.
by PhillyFriar on Dec 4, 2025 12:06 PM EST up reply actions
confused
Rizzo doesn’t exactly get a lot of love around these parts . . .
by mrkupe on Dec 4, 2025 12:19 PM EST up reply actions
And my recent absence from Minor League Ball rears its head…
I guess I’ve seen stuff about Rizzo’s “star potential,” and about how some like him best out of the haul the Padres are getting. And I don’t quite get it. Maybe the good folks here are more in line with my thinking.
by PhillyFriar on Dec 4, 2025 12:26 PM EST up reply actions
Definitely not alone
He’s the third best prospect in this deal.
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by jar75 on Dec 4, 2025 12:56 PM EST up reply actions
You like Fuentes that much? Kind of a lottery ticket, isn’t he? Substantial upside to be sure, but I do worry about the bat ever coming around.
by PhillyFriar on Dec 4, 2025 1:20 PM EST up reply actions
That and I'm particularly hard on 1B prospects
Both B- prospects, but I’d take Fuentes of the two.
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by jar75 on Dec 4, 2025 1:40 PM EST up reply actions
personally
I’m a believer in Rizzo, though I know a lot of folks aren’t huge fans here. Power, BB rate, approach are all excellent, K-rate looks to be improving, and he’ll be decent in the field. Plus he’s got the character thing going for him. He’s #3 for me on my list of 1b prospects. If this is the list that SD ends up getting, it’s a great return, I love Fuentes as well. Kelly I’m not super huge on, but the upside is awesome.
by PrincetonCubs on Dec 4, 2025 1:08 PM EST up reply actions
very curious who ends up the 4th prospect
I agree it’s a solid haul for San Diego … and for Boston, it’s a worthwhile trade. I don’t love Kelly and Rizzo as much as others, but still, landing a high upside arm and a potential starting first baseman is a solid return, along with a high upside piece in Fuentes. Very curious who the last piece is, though.
by toonsterwu on Dec 4, 2025 12:46 PM EST up reply actions
Some were saying Vitek, and I heard Drake Britton too. Then Gammons said it wasn’t a big fourth piece, which would seem to rule out those two. Agreed though, interested to see what happens there.
by PhillyFriar on Dec 4, 2025 1:21 PM EST up reply actions
Can't be Vitek...
they just drafted him. Britton would make it an outstanding haul.
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by joegonzo on Dec 4, 2025 1:35 PM EST up reply actions
vitek could be as a PTBNL
But I’d be shocked if it was him. Could be another, less high-profile recent pick, though.
by mrkupe on Dec 4, 2025 1:40 PM EST up reply actions
How quickly did he sign?
Unless he signed a few days after being drafted, I don’t think he could be a PTBNL unless the deal doesn’t become official for a couple of weeks or something. A player can only be a PTBNL for 6 months, and you can’t trade a draftee until 1 year after the date he signs his contract. At least, those are the rules as I’ve always understood them.
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by gatling on Dec 4, 2025 2:30 PM EST up reply actions
Yup
Those are indeed the rules, so no 2010 draftees
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by Jgaztambide on Dec 4, 2025 2:33 PM EST up reply actions
I forgot about the 6 month window
BA has Vitek signing on June 15th.
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by jar75 on Dec 4, 2025 2:55 PM EST up reply actions
If they don't make the deal official for a couple of weeks
he could still be part of it, but I’m guessing it’s someone else as the PTBNL.
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by gatling on Dec 4, 2025 3:19 PM EST up reply actions
This offseason is officially going to be crazy.
Ton of movement and lots of big fish left to land.
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by alskor on Dec 4, 2025 2:09 AM EST reply actions
Orioles...
If they trade Chris Tillman to the DBacks for Mark Reynolds they are insane.
by LCT on Dec 4, 2025 8:36 AM EST reply actions
Why Tillman could be another headcase pitcher
by Bravesin07 on Dec 4, 2025 9:50 AM EST up reply actions
I think the talk is
David hernandez as the key piece
"The key to winning baseball games is pitching, fundamentals, and three run homers."
by fourfingerwoo on Dec 4, 2025 12:09 PM EST up reply actions
really?
if david hernandez is all that stands between the o’s and 30-50 hrs/yr, sign me up!
by Scott the Shot on Dec 4, 2025 12:42 PM EST up reply actions
lol
thats a joke and half
I called it - Joe Mauer's first career Home-Run at Target Field !!!
Why Oh Why did the D'Backs select A.J. Pollock over Mike Trout?
I hate Hunter Wendelstedt, you hate Hunter Wendelstedt we all hate hunter w
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Dec 4, 2025 1:14 PM EST up reply actions
I LOLED
hahaha
the Red Sox are trading Casey Kelly, Jose Iglesias, Anthony Rizzo and one lesser prospect (maybe Pimental) for just Adrian Gonzalez
ghow the heck on this planet earth would the Orioles contend with David Hernandez as the ‘key piece’ to acquiring Mark Reynolds who isn’t exactly a TON less of an asset than Adrian Gonzalez (value pretty darn near one another because Reynolds has better contract)
I called it - Joe Mauer's first career Home-Run at Target Field !!!
Why Oh Why did the D'Backs select A.J. Pollock over Mike Trout?
I hate Hunter Wendelstedt, you hate Hunter Wendelstedt we all hate hunter w
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Dec 4, 2025 1:16 PM EST up reply actions
Huh?
“for just Adrian Gonzalez”?
Gonzalez is a way better player than Reynolds. The guy hits for about 60-80 batting average points, plays great defense, and even has better power. Agone’s road numbers are insane anyone who hits 40 HR playing half their games in Petco is an absolute beast.
by King Billy Royal on Dec 4, 2025 2:18 PM EST up reply actions
Reynolds isn't really that good
"Some field has fences, and sometime, the field cant hold a player, but most of the time, a field cant hold Domingo"
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by hero66 on Dec 4, 2025 3:38 PM EST up reply actions
let me try again
Adrian Gonzalez is a great player thats what I’m saying that it will take…. Casey Kelly, Drake Britton, Anthony Rizzo, and Reymond Fuentes to get him!
thats all of Boston’s top prospects besides Iglesias, Reddick, Kalish and maybe Brentz, Renaudo (who they cannot trade)
SO how in the world could the O’s land Mark Reynolds who is a pretty darn good player in his own right (not outstanding but solid) go for just David Hernandez and other lesser?!?! O’s prospects ….!
I called it - Joe Mauer's first career Home-Run at Target Field !!!
Why Oh Why did the D'Backs select A.J. Pollock over Mike Trout?
I hate Hunter Wendelstedt, you hate Hunter Wendelstedt we all hate hunter w
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Dec 4, 2025 3:57 PM EST up reply actions
Unfortunately,
Because this deal, if it happens, is going to be designed to solve AZ’s ‘pen needs. The local paper’s baseball writer reported that he gets a feeling the D-backs are more keen on Hernandez than Tillman. Which absolutely blows my mind.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qU_9zTD9B98&feature;=related
Apparently there's an epilepsy warning on this video. But it's so incredibly cool.
by IHateSouthBend on Dec 4, 2025 4:30 PM EST up reply actions
Also
When comparing Reynolds and Adrian, you need to take into account that Adrian was signed for only one more year while Reynolds has 3 years left on his current contract (even though the last year is, I believe, an 11-million dollar team option)
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by Jgaztambide on Dec 4, 2025 5:34 PM EST up reply actions
Right
Reynolds ends up with 3 years and $23 million total salary if you pick up the option. Might be too much for AZ.
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by gatling on Dec 4, 2025 5:58 PM EST up reply actions
Tough spot for Arizona
one the one hand, he’s coming off of a bad year, and to me his true talent level is a lot better than what he showed this year (he’ll never be a high average guy, but the .190 BA was pretty flukey to me
On the other hand, having him under control for 3 more years is part of his value and the closer you get to that 11 million dollar option, the less valuable he becomes.
The good news for them is there are few good 3rd basemen out there and even less to be had via trade or FA
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by Jgaztambide on Dec 4, 2025 9:32 PM EST up reply actions
Established major league for minor leaguer who has displayed NO skills at the next level?
Sounds good to me.
by Humbled Fan on Dec 4, 2025 12:46 PM EST up reply actions
From MLB Trade rumors
•Chris Tillman’s name has been mentioned in connection with the Mark Reynolds trade rumors, tweets Sports Illustrated’s Jon Heyman. Nick Piecoro of the Arizona Republic thinks the D’Backs “seem to like” David Hernandez more, but Hernandez would be just one piece of what’s likely to be a pitcher-centric package (Twitter links).
•The O’s are one of three teams known to be exploring a Reynolds deal, but they’re the ones with “the heaviest interest” in the third baseman according to Ken Rosenthal of FOXSports.com. The Blue Jays and Padres, in fact, “strongly deny” that they’re even pursuing Reynolds
"The key to winning baseball games is pitching, fundamentals, and three run homers."
by fourfingerwoo on Dec 4, 2025 1:14 PM EST reply actions
Mark Reynolds....
…is horrendous. It baffles me that people dont look at road stats for those that play in extreme hitter friendly environments. Reynolds is a horrendous baseball player.
by MetsFanX on Dec 4, 2025 10:49 PM EST up reply actions
I don't care much for Mark Reynolds
But I would point out that his road stats in 2007 (.271/.345/.477) and 2009 (.262/.343/.555) were fine. His 2008 line (.231/.305/.458) wasn’t good, but compared to his home numbers, (.248/.336/.458), there wasn’t as big a difference as there was in 2010. His road line was horrible in 2010, that’s for sure.
by toonsterwu on Dec 4, 2025 11:39 PM EST up reply actions
for 2010 maybe
It baffles me that people don’t look at all available stats and not just for the most current year!
Reynolds home/road stats were pretty bad for 2010, but for 2009 they were actually almost even.
Home: .257 / .355 / .531
Away: .262 / .343 / .555 (yup, a higher Iso away)
2008 wasn’t too different either:
Home: .248 / .336 / .458
Away: .231 / .305 / .458 (Iso again higher away than at home)
Strangely, Reynolds walks more at home and hits for less power in Arizona. Walk rate at home is lower, Iso at home is slightly higher, though only because of this past season. Up until 2010, his Iso’s home/away were pretty close (+/- 0.022 in either season). No idea what happened in 2010.
Just for fun, his Bill James Projection for 2011: .233 / .337 / .490. I don’t put a ton of weight in these, but they’re fun to look at.
James has Reynolds at a .312 BABIP in 2011 (which is higher than his .257 this past season but lower than his .338 mark in 2009, .323 in 2008, and .378 in 2007
I think obviously the injuries this year had an effect on his performance. To go from career BABIPS at .320+ to mid .250’s isn’t normal. Line drive rate of 13.3% this yea, career rate of 17.4% (including that 13.3%). Thumb injury is the likely explanation
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by Jgaztambide on Dec 4, 2025 11:52 PM EST up reply actions
And considering that a ton of that '09 ISO
Came in Reynolds’ absurd weekend homer-fest at New York against the Mets, I’m shocked that MetsFanX is the one, of all people, trying to say that Mark can’t ever hit on the road.
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by IHateSouthBend on Dec 7, 2025 9:26 PM EST up reply actions
Jon Heyman is reporting the AGone deal fell through
by Dewey Finn on Dec 5, 2025 2:51 PM EST reply actions
If this happens, than heads should roll in Boston
I am tired of big market teams playing like small market teams. Use your resources to put the best team on the field.
by King Billy Royal on Dec 5, 2025 3:02 PM EST up reply actions
so just immediately cave to the demands of players.
sounds like a great way to run a team.
by larry on Dec 5, 2025 3:07 PM EST up reply actions
What did they think it would take to sign Gonzalez?
They knew that he wanted a Howard like deal when they dealt for him and he deserves it because he is younger and BETTER then Big Ron.
by King Billy Royal on Dec 5, 2025 3:45 PM EST up reply actions
i'm utterly floored that they couldn't get a deal done in 36 hours.
it’s called posturing. from both sides. welcome to negotiations 101.
by larry on Dec 5, 2025 3:57 PM EST up reply actions
It isn't posturing if the deal actually falls through
by King Billy Royal on Dec 5, 2025 4:01 PM EST up reply actions
yeah. because they missed a deadline, this deal will never happen.
tell me another.
by larry on Dec 5, 2025 4:07 PM EST up reply actions
LOL Larry
I was responding to Dewey’s comment that the deal fell through, not COULD fall through. I was working under that assumption, because if it is true, than the Redsox fans should be furious.
by King Billy Royal on Dec 5, 2025 4:15 PM EST up reply actions
i usually go someplace else than dewey's comments for reality.
by larry on Dec 5, 2025 4:19 PM EST up reply actions
the deal for a 2pm close fell through.
deals miss their closing all the time.
by larry on Dec 5, 2025 4:32 PM EST up reply actions
Just passing along what Heyman reported.
I have no inside information haha.
by Dewey Finn on Dec 5, 2025 4:30 PM EST up reply actions
Sorry
But howard’s deal is atrocious. Using a horrid contract is not a good basis for negotiating a new one with a different player. if Gonzo’s agent came to me and said “Howard got this, we want the same” I’d say “One team made a brutal mistake, we’re not going to repeat it”
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by Jgaztambide on Dec 5, 2025 3:58 PM EST up reply actions
I agree on Howard
However, he also asked for an 8 year deal similar to Teixeira and that seems very reasonable in my opinion.
by King Billy Royal on Dec 5, 2025 4:01 PM EST up reply actions
8 years total?
or an 8-year extension on his current deal?
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by Jgaztambide on Dec 5, 2025 4:02 PM EST up reply actions
I don't get this at all
Red Sox playing like a small market team?
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by Jgaztambide on Dec 5, 2025 3:08 PM EST up reply actions
The Redsox always complain that they can't spend with the Yankees
Boo hoo! They are filthy rich and spend the second most of any team in baseball. I am sure the Rays and Brewers are crying for Boston.
by King Billy Royal on Dec 5, 2025 3:44 PM EST up reply actions
Chill out dude
Lot of hostility here…
And I don’t know about “always complaining” about anything. The last time I remember them saying anything about the Yanks’ cash was in 2003 during the Arod negotiations. Then again, I’ve been out of Boston for 5 years and out of the country for 2, so shrug
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by Jgaztambide on Dec 5, 2025 4:01 PM EST up reply actions
They do it all the time
If you haven’t heard Boston management complain about the big bad Yankees, than I am not surprised you have been out of Boston for 5 years. There are lots of quotes but here is a recent qone from Theo:
Theo Epstein said during a Thursday radio appearance that the Red Sox were pushing to sign Kerry Wood at the deadline before being outbid by the Yankees. “We scouted [Wood] on rehab, we liked what we saw. He was available last minute at the deadline … and we put in what I thought was a pretty aggressive financial bid for him and we were outbid by the Yankees when they were willing to take on just a little bit more of his salary. It ended up being a great move for them and cost us.”
Read more: http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/view/230610-epstein-yankees-outbid-us-for-wood#ixzz17H1Iy0Cj
by King Billy Royal on Dec 5, 2025 4:06 PM EST up reply actions
uhhhh
Sounds like a guy talking about what happened. I’m not seeing the complaining or the “boo hoo” like you mentioned before. He’s saying the Sox didn’t pony up the cash and the Yanks did and it was a bad move by the Sox. This is their big complaining? This is where the hostility comes from?
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by Jgaztambide on Dec 5, 2025 4:31 PM EST up reply actions
That was ONE quote
Here are some others from John Henry:
“I believe that because the two teams have been about dead-even over the past 100-plus games,” Henry wrote, "people have begun to believe that we are on an equal footing. But that has never been the case. We can compete with them better than most teams, but no one can compete with their revenues.
On the Arod trade:
“We have a spending limit,‘’ Henry said, "and the Yankees apparently don’t.’’
Here is what Boston pitcher Curt Schilling had to say on Henry’s complaining in 2004:
Was John Henry’s condemnation of the Yankees’ spending habits a classic case of the pot calling the kettle, er, red? Curt Schilling didn’t quite call the Red Sox owner a hypocrite, but intimated that Henry’s comments were out of line.
“We’re sitting on about a $130 million payroll here,” the pitching ace said yesterday, “so to (whine) and moan about somebody spending a lot of money for their team is kind of . . . .”
His voice trailed off as he thought better of finishing the thought. Schilling looked away before adding, “I don’t know if it’s the right or the wrong thing to do.”
Henry ripped the Yankees in an E-mail to reporters Wednesday, decrying George Steinbrenner’s ever-expanding payroll in the wake of the Alex Rodriguez trade. The Boss responded with a verbal volley of his own, calling Henry’s diatribe “sour grapes.”
by King Billy Royal on Dec 5, 2025 4:41 PM EST up reply actions
overreacting
First of all, I hate Schilling and wish he had never been a Red Sox (blasphemous I know, but no one in sports short of Brett Favre annoys me more). if you want to complain about Schilling, I’ll be right there next to you
Regarding the first quote, is Henry wrong? Even as the #2 payroll this past year, the Sox were around 45 million bucks behind the Yanks. That’s not insignificant. Of course, the Sox are big spenders too, but they’re not the Yanks. they CAN’T compete with their payroll. No one can. I dare you to prove different (the annual Forbes articles are always interesting reads for the business side of things)
Regarding the Arod quote: yup, he was complaining
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by Jgaztambide on Dec 5, 2025 4:52 PM EST up reply actions
getting back to the issue at hand.
why shouldn’t the red sox play hardball with gonzalez. without the yankees involved, is anyone else really going to give him 8 years.
by larry on Dec 5, 2025 4:55 PM EST up reply actions
Yes.
Gonzo is younger and better than Tex was when he signed with the Yanks. Werth just got a 7/126 contract. Someone will pay Gonzo Tex money.
by HeavyHitter on Dec 5, 2025 5:58 PM EST up reply actions
i'd like to see this list of teams willing to pony up 8 years and $180 million for him.
or, more to the point, i’d like to see this list of teams willing to pony up 8 years and $180 million for him and trade prospects to san diego to get exclusive rights to negotiate with him prior to free agency.
by larry on Dec 5, 2025 6:09 PM EST up reply actions
the yankees really overpay for players.
the red sox prefer to only overpay for players.
by larry on Dec 5, 2025 4:53 PM EST up reply actions
+1
They act like they don’t have big wallets, but they’re no different than the Yankees. I have no respect for the Red Sox, a classless organization. Especially when they bad mouth players that leave in order to ‘save face’ for not retaining them. The way they operate disgusts me.
by Dewey Finn on Dec 5, 2025 3:32 PM EST up reply actions
I am already waiting for the Gonzalez slander if the deal does indeed fall through
I hate how they constantly use the media to badmouth a player who leaves as a FA.
by King Billy Royal on Dec 5, 2025 3:46 PM EST up reply actions
UPDATE
Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports is reporting that the deal is not over yet. They may still be negotiating.
by King Billy Royal on Dec 5, 2025 3:50 PM EST up reply actions
Why don't the Sox just resign Beltre and trade for Upton
It would free up more money long term for them to sign more useful players.
by Bravesin07 on Dec 5, 2025 3:59 PM EST reply actions
Upton
I’m assuming they don’t have the pieces for Upton, that or they found the asking price to be too high (i’m guessing the former)
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by Jgaztambide on Dec 5, 2025 4:00 PM EST up reply actions
Beltre wants a 5 year deal
If they don’t want to give Agone 8 years, then I doubt they want to give Beltre 5.
by King Billy Royal on Dec 5, 2025 4:02 PM EST up reply actions
Just curious to hear what people think makes more sense for the Red Sox...
Adrian Beltre at 5/75 or Adrian Gonzalez at 8/200
by Dewey Finn on Dec 5, 2025 4:34 PM EST reply actions
Werth is close to a deal with the Nationals!!!!!!!
I am guessing he doesn’t care too much about winning. LOL.
by King Billy Royal on Dec 5, 2025 4:43 PM EST reply actions
Carl Crawford is the happiest guy on the planet right now
by Dewey Finn on Dec 5, 2025 5:33 PM EST up reply actions
Crazy Carl
He’s gotta be asking for 9 years now, right?
I’m excited for the Nats because it’s cool to see them get one of the more talented FA around, but I’m also worried about how this contract could hamstring them in 4 years time…
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by Jgaztambide on Dec 5, 2025 5:43 PM EST up reply actions
They finally get that FA they wanted, but it is going to be a terrible deal in a couple of years
by Braves24 on Dec 5, 2025 7:13 PM EST up reply actions
That might be a terrible deal next year
I’m not too sure what Werth has done to justify making $18 million in any year, much less for seven years in a row. Not to mention he’ll be 38 by the time the deal is up.
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by Brickhaus on Dec 6, 2025 2:29 PM EST up reply actions
And the Nats don't have a DH spot to put him in in five years
So where do they put him? First base? Yuck. There’s a legitimate chance he’s a first base platoon guy in five years (or sooner, if you really want to get pessimistic) time, with two years left on this deal. They’d pay $38MM for those two years.
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by IHateSouthBend on Dec 7, 2025 9:33 PM EST up reply actions
he got his ring
now its about cash money, lol.
by Dewey Finn on Dec 5, 2025 5:34 PM EST up reply actions
or maybe some of the Nats players have really hot wives?
by pedrophile on Dec 5, 2025 6:33 PM EST up reply actions
haha, good call.
the bad boy look worked for Chase’s gal.
by Dewey Finn on Dec 5, 2025 6:42 PM EST up reply actions
I must have missed something
Did Werth bang chase Utley’s wife? Was there some clubhouse drama?
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by Jgaztambide on Dec 5, 2025 6:47 PM EST up reply actions
Interesting
Especially as a Nats homer.
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by Lionsroar10 on Dec 5, 2025 5:41 PM EST up reply actions
Apparently trade is gonna be official tomorrow, despite no extension for Agone
http://twitter.com/SI_JonHeyman/status/11582734577172480
by Dewey Finn on Dec 5, 2025 8:01 PM EST reply actions
that's not allowed. you can't not agree to a deal and then later agree.
by larry on Dec 5, 2025 8:19 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Welp
It apparently happened…
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by IHateSouthBend on Dec 7, 2025 9:34 PM EST up reply actions
It can happen with both parties mutual written consent
A trade is simply a contract entered into between two teams. If they choose, they may amend the terms of the contract. Indeed, I would not be surprised if the condition of the extension merely gave the Red Sox discretion to close or not close the deal. Apparently, the extension deadline did not matter so much to the Sox.
by jaroche6 on Dec 8, 2025 1:49 PM EST up reply actions
his comment was totally sarcastic
because others kept arguing that a deal was off because the deadline was passed.
by pedrophile on Dec 8, 2025 9:19 PM EST up reply actions
Shawn Marcum traded to the Brewers
http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/111358854.html
by Bravesin07 on Dec 5, 2025 9:25 PM EST reply actions
yep
I think we’re all waiting around to hear who will actually be headed back to Toronto to discuss . . .
by mrkupe on Dec 5, 2025 9:31 PM EST up reply actions
Marcum is cheap, has 2 years on his contract
and AA stated they are one elite player/pitcher from competing in the AL East. This only makes sense if they strongly feel Greinke is within their grasp. Or have an agreement in principle with KC.
by pedrophile on Dec 5, 2025 9:34 PM EST up reply actions
likely
Considering that they need some serious chips to get the deal done, Marcum’s value, and the buzz that it’s pitching prospects on the way back. . .Jake Odorizzi + other?
by mrkupe on Dec 5, 2025 9:37 PM EST up reply actions
I would think the Jays are very close to aquiring Greinke, possibly even a 3 team trade
if they move Marcum
by pedrophile on Dec 5, 2025 9:32 PM EST up reply actions
Lawrie?
it would make sense since Toronto wated him past season.
by team name deleted on Dec 7, 2025 4:51 PM EST up reply actions
Lawrie traded for Marcum
#Brewers will trade IF prospect Brett Lawrie to #Toronto for SP Shaun Marcum pending physicals. #MLB
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by Bravesin07 on Dec 5, 2025 9:40 PM EST reply actions
Curious to see what prospects would be heading for Greinke
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by gatling on Dec 5, 2025 9:59 PM EST up reply actions
Got to think everything is Drabek and ......
But i will go with Snider, Arencibia, Stewart and one other player
by Bud Light on Dec 5, 2025 10:06 PM EST up reply actions
wow
bigtime prospect on the move. Brewers trying to win while they stiil have Prince, seems like. Can’t say I blame them
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by Jgaztambide on Dec 5, 2025 9:59 PM EST up reply actions
I can
Can I understand what Doug Melvin is doing? Sure. I just don’t see them getting enough pitching to make a run in 2011, and they’ll lose Prince next offseason. They were, IMO, better off being a bit more patient and waiting for another window to open up.
by toonsterwu on Dec 6, 2025 10:22 PM EST up reply actions
So if this Marcum deal is a precursor to Greinke, what can us KC fans expect back for him? Some combo of Lawrie, Snider, Drabek, etc?
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by koolkerns101 on Dec 5, 2025 9:47 PM EST reply actions
seems possible
Lawrie as a Canadian would be tempting for the Jays to keep, but I’m guessing he would go to KC. Drabek would seem like a given. The Royals would probably love to have a catcher in the trade, so Arencibia fits. Probably another 2-3 pieces in there . . .if the Royals need to be blown away, that’s what it’ll take.
While I’m sure prospect watchers will love talking about the possibilities, I still don’t think that trading Greinke is really conducive to the Royals really turning it around.
by mrkupe on Dec 5, 2025 10:11 PM EST up reply actions
If I was Toronto
I would move Drabek, Lawrie, Arencibia, and a lesser prospect if I could get a window to negotiate a new deal.
Otherwise you traded Marcum and his 2 year fantastic contract + very good prospects for Greinke and his 2 year good contract. Not a good move.
by pedrophile on Dec 5, 2025 11:56 PM EST up reply actions
you are not trading the player
you are trading the contract
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by doublestix on Dec 5, 2025 10:41 PM EST up reply actions
seriously
Phillies gave up Drabek, Michael Taylor, Travis D’arnaud . . .if the Royals were to get less than that for Greinke, he’s going nowhere.
by mrkupe on Dec 5, 2025 10:47 PM EST up reply actions
Hechavarria?
Purely speculation, but would Toronto trade him? It would make sense for KC, as they would be able to move Colon to 2B.
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by Archie A on Dec 6, 2025 12:07 AM EST up reply actions
i would hope they wouldn't move Colon simply based on getting another SS prospect
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by doublestix on Dec 6, 2025 12:14 AM EST up reply actions
Agreed
I didn’t mean immediately, just once/if they both make it.
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by Archie A on Dec 6, 2025 1:19 AM EST up reply actions
yes, agreed
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by doublestix on Dec 6, 2025 1:45 AM EST up reply actions
Very minor deal in MLB impact
But one that someone I trust said was discussed by one party in the deal:
Alex Gordon to Atlanta for a package including Jordan Schafer and “a top minor league pitcher not named Teheran or Delgado”, per said contact…
Anyone else heard any rumbling of this?
My contact has been known to get a piece of a story and blow it up as truth WAY before anything more than initial feelers have been taken into play, and I’m curious about if anyone heard on this. I know Moore LOVED Schafer, and he has been trying to acquire him for some time, but to me Schafer fell off the face of the earth after his wrist injury last year. It doesn’t make sense to me unless the pitcher is maybe Vizcaino or Carlos Perez
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by biggentleben on Dec 6, 2025 1:50 AM EST reply actions
Can't see this
Alex Gordon fell off the face of the earth several years ago and hasn’t recovered. At this point, Gordon is just a reclamation project. I just can’t see Wren, a guy who walked into our GM post immediately after the Teixeira trade (where we got him), as someone who’d put a “top MiL P” into a trade for a reclamation project.
Now, if the trade was Schafer straight up for Gordon then I could see it having legs. Even if we kicked in a P on the level of Todd Redmond or Scott Diamond (neither of whom we kept on the 40 man roster), then I’d still think it made sense. But if the P is actually a “real” prospect, then it seems more likely that there was just a feeler that will no longer go anywhere - we’d be giving up too much.
by theatlfan on Dec 6, 2025 2:10 AM EST up reply actions
I can see arguments against it both ways
Which is why I see the deal a little as possible…
The Royals have a guy who’s still not yet hit 27 that was considered a world beater and put up above average numbers in the majors just 3 years ago. He also put up over a 100 point OBP delta this year. Schafer’s really not swung the bat the same way since the injury (yes, the steroids thing, but steroids didn’t change his swing mechanics). On the other side, Schafer has always provided a very good center field and if he and Eibner both pan out, that allows you to absorb a Myers in right field a lot easier defensively and not mind the lesser offense than a traditional LF would give. There’s enough teams out there who’ve reportedly kicked the tires on Gordon to drive the price up to at least a solid pitching prospect, which just adds to the Royals system.
For the Braves, it gives them yet another flexibile defensive guy who could cover for Chipper’s annual time off until he retires and a guy that could be very valuable if you can get solid peak seasons out of him before he falls off (and he doesn’t free agency until 2014 and should be relatively cheap in arby unless he turns into an MVP candidate). The problem is that he’s been rumored around enough that the Royals will probably have grounds to ask for a little more than a Diamond, and I’m not sure the organization should be quick to jump on that.
Like I said, it wouldn’t seem to be a major impact deal, but it intrigued me.
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by biggentleben on Dec 6, 2025 2:29 AM EST up reply actions
I don't think the deal isn't interesting, it is
I can see why Schafer would interest the Royals (his D and a reclamation project himself with the bat) and I can see why Gordon would interest us (more or less the same).
What I just can’t see Wren parting with an actual prospect for a reclamation project. Wren is quite open about being stingy with prospects. Now, if Schafer interests the Royals, then I don’t think that’d stop Wren from making a play. But if they’re asking for Vizcaino or Perez - even Hoover or Beachy - to be included as well, then I don’t think Wren would pull the trigger. If they lower their sights to someone like Brett DeVall or Zeke Spruill, then I’d think we’d be much more likely to make the deal. I just went with Redmond or Diamond since I figured they fit the “top MiL P” quote - doesn’t mean that the guy is a prospect, he’s just done well in MiLB.
As far as the selling of Gordon, he’s struck out in more than 1/4 of his AB’s last year… and that rate has been fairly consistent for his 4 years (or parts thereof) in the bigs. Meanwhile, his BA, OBP, and SLG have all dropped over the last 3 years to the point where “useless” comes to mind now. Do you honestly believe that Wren would give someone up who’s on the cusp of the MLB for that? I can’t… but I can’t blame KC for trying.
by theatlfan on Dec 6, 2025 4:23 AM EST up reply actions
The demand for Gordon
…is much more market-driven than talent-driven. One thing I liked about this is that Gordon would HAVE to produce immediately to make this deal worth it to the Braves. They can man the outfield and 3B without relying on production from him, but if he could right the ship, there’s no one on the roster in left that would hold him out of the lineup. Many other teams I have heard interested in the reclamation of Gordon need him right away to produce. That isn’t how a reclamation works, but when the offers are out there, the team that wants to do it right might have to overpay a little bit if they truly believe they can make it work.
Insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting different results.
by biggentleben on Dec 6, 2025 4:29 AM EST up reply actions
erm
Gordon WOULDN’T have to produce immediately to make this deal worth it to the Braves.
Way to make the entire argument counteract your original line. D’oh! LOL
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by biggentleben on Dec 6, 2025 4:30 AM EST up reply actions
You're overstating his value
Generally, GMs don’t trade people they still have plans for to simply pick up a reclamation project - 2x true for ones without options left. Otherwise they’d be left with egg on their face when they lose recently acquired players for nothing (i.e., Andrew Miller). No GM wants to make a trade where they were obviously taken and when the other team has high production regular when you didn’t even get a good AB from your guy… and there’s no way Wren would take that chance on guys that he considers part of the Braves’ future.
by theatlfan on Dec 8, 2025 1:05 AM EST up reply actions
I could see a
Beachy and Schafer for Gordon and Jeff Bianchi working out.
by apoxonbothyourhouses on Dec 7, 2025 9:31 AM EST up reply actions
Seems like a decent deal
I personally wouldn’t do it, but it’s more superstition on my part. Just seems that when players start going down on a team then it happens in bunches and the entire team is adversely affected. Having too many guys with the “injury bug” means that you’re more likely to encounter this issue over the course of a season.
Still, it’s a decent deal.
by theatlfan on Dec 8, 2025 1:10 AM EST up reply actions
I could see this possibly happening in some form
I’d guess the pitcher is a low-ceiling arm who can take innings in short order, maybe Brandon Beachy or perhaps J.J. Hoover.
by mrkupe on Dec 6, 2025 2:25 AM EST up reply actions
To me
That would be a great deal for both sides. I’ve heard a lot of interest around the league in attempting to “remake” Gordon, so I worry a bit that the bidding could ask a higher guy than a Beachy or Hoover. I think if the Royals move Greinke for something like Lawrie/Snider/catching prospect rather than Lawrie/Drabek/prospect, Beachy could be a solid back-end guy for them as their studs develop.
Insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting different results.
by biggentleben on Dec 6, 2025 2:31 AM EST up reply actions
yeah, a lot of moving pieces
It’s hard to see why KC would make this deal on the surface if it is strictly Gordon for Schaefer and a low level arm. KC has Blanco and Dyson (who they are high on) set to battle it out for CF next year, so adding Schaefer to the mix doesn’t seem to help much and creates a hole at LF (after losing DeJesus at RF).
But if a Greinke trade goes through that would put Snider in LF, then that definitely changes things.
by deezle on Dec 6, 2025 11:35 AM EST up reply actions
where would he play? He can’t play CF. Can he?
by Braves24 on Dec 6, 2025 8:36 PM EST up reply actions
probably not
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by doublestix on Dec 6, 2025 8:41 PM EST up reply actions
he'd play LF
and Prado would play 3B.
I doubt Chipper’s coming back. He says he is but the guy’s on the other side of 30 and his legs are going.
by apoxonbothyourhouses on Dec 7, 2025 9:32 AM EST up reply actions
Lorenzo Cain?
What’s he worth as a centerfielder for pitching? How much do you think the Brewers could get him for and what’s a realistic haul?
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by souldrummer on Dec 6, 2025 12:33 PM EST reply actions
Chris Sale
stevehenson333 — Ozzie guillen: leans toward leaving chris sale in the bullpen
http://twitter.com/stevehenson333/status/11860925741015040
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by doublestix on Dec 6, 2025 2:22 PM EST reply actions
Disappointing, but not entirely surprising
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by gatling on Dec 6, 2025 2:42 PM EST up reply actions
WHY
I don’t get it.
Oh, yeah, shouldn’t that decision come from Kenny and not Ozzie?
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by Blicks on Dec 6, 2025 7:47 PM EST up reply actions
Jose Lopez to Rockies
I haven’t seen this posted yet…Seattle sends Jose Lopez to Colorado for SP Chaz Rae.
I still think Lopez could be a decent player. Change of scenery, and Coors Field could be just what the doctor ordered. Low risk, high reward type of move for the Rockies.
Think he starts at 2B for the Rockies?
by purppride1 on Dec 6, 2025 2:37 PM EST reply actions
from the mariners huge ballpark
to coors…. watch out for this guy next year
by matthewmafa on Dec 6, 2025 9:04 PM EST up reply actions
Jordan Lyles
Reports say he’ll get a shot at Houston’s 5th starter spot
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by Archie A on Dec 6, 2025 3:36 PM EST reply actions
the late season promotion to AAA suggested this was in the works
But really . . .who is going to be any better for the Astros?
by mrkupe on Dec 6, 2025 3:52 PM EST up reply actions
Why burn a year of service time?
If they want to let him get some MLB innings, fine. Wait until June or July and bring him up then and let him start the rest of the year. The Astros aren’t a team likely headed anywhere, so this move really doesn’t make a ton of sense to me.
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by gatling on Dec 6, 2025 4:13 PM EST up reply actions
I don't get it either
Just saying that it’s not a surprise that he’s in the mix.
by mrkupe on Dec 6, 2025 4:20 PM EST up reply actions
Mariners signed Esteilon Peguero?
All I’ve seen is a little note on the front page of prospectinsider.com but JAC usually knows what’s going on
$2.9 million
by Kaorikaze on Dec 6, 2025 5:58 PM EST reply actions
Cubs sign Carlos Pena
I’m okay/fine with it. The fact that it was a one year deal was the most important thing, even if deferred money is a possibility.
by toonsterwu on Dec 8, 2025 2:37 AM EST reply actions
Francouer To The Royals
Dayton Moore strikes again.
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by Lionsroar10 on Dec 8, 2025 4:05 PM EST reply actions
George Sherrill to the Braves
Anyone who watched him last year, what happened? Do we have a legit chance @ rehabbing this guy or is he at the “beginning of the end” stage?
by theatlfan on Dec 8, 2025 5:26 PM EST reply actions
Carl Crawford to the Red Sox
I was expecting the Angels. Logjam at the top of the Sox order (Ellsbury, Pedroia, Crawford)?
by jaroche6 on Dec 8, 2025 11:49 PM EST reply actions
JJ Hardy to the Orioles
for Brett Jacobson RP (AA) and Jim Hoey
…puke
I called it - Joe Mauer's first career Home-Run at Target Field !!!
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by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Dec 9, 2025 2:17 AM EST reply actions
puke for who?
guessing Twins but wanted to ask first.
I really like the deal for the Orioles. Nice pickup.
Surprised the Twins got so little for Hardy.
by toonsterwu on Dec 9, 2025 10:37 AM EST up reply actions
Twins dumped Brendan Harris in the deal as well
Lots of confusion here in Minnie over how little they got.
by purppride1 on Dec 9, 2025 11:28 AM EST up reply actions
They also got some cash right?
They dumped around $7.5-8 million in salary plus whatever cash they get in the deal. Maybe there are other moves in the works now that this cash is freed up/available?
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by gatling on Dec 9, 2025 12:26 PM EST up reply actions
ya.
Harris probably doesnt even make the O’s, so thats just a cash dump.
by ADLC on Dec 9, 2025 5:44 PM EST up reply actions
Good move for the O's
Hardy is a nice addition.
by jaroche6 on Dec 9, 2025 12:50 PM EST up reply actions
The Royals signed Melky Cabrera to a one year deal. Not a bad risk.
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