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Jesus Montero: Does He Stay At Catcher?

Over at Fake Teams, I wrote this article on Friday where I quoted some excerpts from Keith Law's chat over at ESPN on Thursday. One of the excerpts was a question about Yankees catching prospect Jesus Montero and what his career year in the majors would look like. I commented that "its ashame he can't stay at catcher, as he could unseat Joe Mauer as the top fantasy catcher real soon."

That one comment resulted in plenty of back and forth about whether Montero can stay at catcher with one reader commenting that I was making "unsubstantiated assumptions" and "exaggerating random quotes from anonymous sources" regarding Montero's ability to stay behind the plate.

Head on over and check out the back and forth discussing Montero's chances of staying behind the plate. 

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Will Jesus Montero stay at catcher in the majors?

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I voted yes!

But I don’t think he’ll actually stay at catcher. But, he will retain C eligibility for a few years in some leagues by spot catching.

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by JDSussman on Dec 4, 2025 12:27 AM EST reply actions  

could happen

would be great for fantasy owners for sure.

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by Ray Guilfoyle on Dec 4, 2025 12:30 AM EST up reply actions  

Exactly my feelings

If everybody likes you, then either no one knows anything about you, or you're dead.

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by Archie A on Dec 4, 2025 12:44 AM EST up reply actions  

I voted No

But I had the exact same thing here. He will retain it for a few years and then be moved to DH.

by King Billy Royal on Dec 4, 2025 11:49 AM EST up reply actions  

You got it

He’s likely to catch a few dozen games per year for a while. Of course, it’s certainly possible the Yankees are keeping him there to increase his trade value.

by my dixie wrecked on Dec 4, 2025 1:14 PM EST up reply actions  

^^ that

spot catching enough

by Yanks27Sox7 on Dec 6, 2025 2:36 AM EST up reply actions  

No chance in hell

Worst defensive catcher i’ve ever seen in person. the only one close was Lavernway and he’s not a catcher anymore.

by Bravesin07 on Dec 4, 2025 12:27 AM EST reply actions  

did you see him

in A, AA or AAA? or all of the above?

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by Ray Guilfoyle on Dec 4, 2025 12:31 AM EST up reply actions  

Haven't seen him or anything

But my impression is “Hell no” as well.

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by jar75 on Dec 4, 2025 10:04 AM EST up reply actions  

lemme tell ya

He was the reason for a run scoring. There was a double hit by espinosa. Next pitch, Pass ball runner to third. Next batter K’s, the following one walks. Then Montero allows another PB to score Espinosa. A below average catch could stop these pitches from what I seen.

by Bravesin07 on Dec 4, 2025 12:36 AM EST reply actions  

Yikes

Just saw the drivel over on the website you linked. Old friend MetsFanX being an even bigger jerk than he was over here.

Pretty hilarious attacking the website for suggesting Montero is moving off catcher. I think every scouting organization around would have to shut down!

I’m in the “he catches enough games to have eligibility for a few years” camp

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by Jgaztambide on Dec 4, 2025 1:08 AM EST reply actions  

I'm curious...

Was Mike Piazza considered by scouts to be a “won’t stick at catcher” guy when he was coming up? Obviously, he turned out to be a horrible defensive catcher either way, but he managed to stick for a very long time (not counting a few dozen horrendous games at first base).

by psiogen on Dec 4, 2025 1:26 AM EST reply actions  

Stole the words out of my mouth...

Not speaking from a fantasy standpoint but…Posada’s defense has deteriorated rapidly in the last couple of years. Would Montero really be that much worse? Piazza couldn’t throw anyone out, and Jorge is approaching that status too…not to mention his Roger Dorn efforts to stop anything in the dirt.

by NastyNate82 on Dec 4, 2025 1:29 AM EST up reply actions  

that's an insult to roger dorn

I heard Tim Lincecum will win 1 Cy Young & 11 Tim Lincecums. Question is, how many Cole Hamels will he win?

by the pinstripes on Dec 4, 2025 1:57 AM EST up reply actions  

I really dislike that argument

So, because they’ve tolerated terrible defense from an aging Posada, they won’t mind terrible defense from a 20 year old at his athletic peak? What happens when he becomes less mobile? I could see him getting some time behind the plate if the Yankees don’t grab a catcher that can actually catch, but the goal should be to get that bat into the lineup everyday.

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by jar75 on Dec 4, 2025 10:12 AM EST up reply actions  

Yes you're right

If he’s bad now, he’s likely only going to get worse…it almost sounds like they’ll with with a three man rotation this coming year with Posada, Jesus, and maybe a third. I’m just sick of Posada behind the plate as I think he’s gotten quite terrible.

by NastyNate82 on Dec 4, 2025 3:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Not sure this is quite true

“If he’s bad now, he’s likely only going to get worse”.

Few C prospects make it to the majors at 21 - it takes an outstanding skill to do so. There’s no doubt that Montero’s skill is the bat. But to say he can’t improve his C skills is also too much at this point. I think that was the initial point Metsfanx was trying to make until he went off his rocker.

That said, I’m not arguing that he will stick there. His bat is moving him fast, but it would be risky and difficult to intern at the majors level - especially catching AJ Burnett.

And to NastyNate’s point on Posada - Montero’s 23% CS rate would have represented a significant improvement over both NYY C’s in 2010. The key point may rest on NY having what appear to be better C Defense options in their pipeline.

NY may need the DH for other players as they age as well, but I can’t see Montero developing into a better 1B or 3B than the current inhabitants for the foreseeable future, and OF? Guess we’ll see.

by nyyfaninlaaland on Dec 5, 2025 4:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Mike Piazza was NOT a "horrible defensive catcher."

His receiving, blocking and gamecalling were all quite good and pitchers liked throwing to him.

What he could not do was throw. At all.

This is not really all that similar a situation to Montero, despite its surface appearances.

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by alskor on Dec 4, 2025 2:05 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

This

Bad throwing ≠ bad catcher. For most of his career he was around average-ish defensively.

by Evan_S on Dec 4, 2025 4:04 AM EST up reply actions  

Totally agree

Because he couldn’t throw, he got an undeserved reputation as a bad catcher. He was fine to better behind the dish in every aspect but the obvious.

by drwmsu1 on Dec 4, 2025 10:49 AM EST up reply actions  

RE

And, steals aren’t solely the catchers fault. A lot of the time the pitcher isn’t capable of holding the runner. Also, I’m sure having a major league catcher as manager can help him.

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by JDSussman on Dec 4, 2025 11:10 AM EST up reply actions  

RE: Piazza

very similar to Varitek. . . does everything defensively with the exception of a solid or plus CS %

by SoCalSoxFan on Dec 4, 2025 12:14 PM EST up reply actions  

exactly

And he didn’t pull a Pudge and call fastball after fastball to give himself a greater chance of throwing base steamers out. Mets pitchers always talked about how they liked throwing to Mike and what a food game he called

by thehitonecafe on Dec 4, 2025 3:55 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

That would be stealers

Although base steamers are tough to catch also ;)

by thehitonecafe on Dec 4, 2025 3:56 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Nope

When Piazza first came up there weren’t many complaints at all about his defense.

by King Billy Royal on Dec 4, 2025 11:51 AM EST up reply actions  

Poorly worded question.

Montero will have to move off catcher, eventually.
However, he apparently will start at catcher in 2011, and there is no reason to think he wouldn’t be able to catch for 3-4 years.

by mswift on Dec 4, 2025 2:37 AM EST reply actions  

really?

I would disagree based on what I have read. I am curious why the Yankees were talking to the Dodgers about Russell Martin before he was non-tendered.
I think the Yankees stated Montero would catch in 2011 to increase his trade value.

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by Ray Guilfoyle on Dec 4, 2025 8:40 AM EST up reply actions  

To upgrade from Cervelli to Martin.
And you honestly think, they would tell Posada he would DH in 2011 to increase
Montero’s trade value? Or the Yankees saying that Montero can catch would influence his trade value ? Don’t you think, that potential trade partners would rely on their scouts, instead of believing blindly whatever the yankees announce?

by mswift on Dec 4, 2025 9:21 AM EST up reply actions  

well

if everyone knows he can’t catch, then why would they announce that he is their catcher?

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by Ray Guilfoyle on Dec 4, 2025 9:27 AM EST up reply actions  

If everyone knows he can't catch...

…You wouldn’t need to take a poll on whether he can or not.

Again “Everyone knows he can’t catch” is a very definitive statement. I’ll let my point rest, but I’d pick my words with a little more care when stating an opinion.

by snarker on Dec 4, 2025 9:36 AM EST up reply actions  

poll

is to generate discussion….and my “opinion” remains the same

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by Ray Guilfoyle on Dec 4, 2025 10:35 AM EST up reply actions  

Everyone ?

Sorry, but most “experts” went from “will never catch in the big leagues”
to “won’t stay long-term at catcher”. (Please read again the Callis quote in your article)

by mswift on Dec 4, 2025 9:39 AM EST up reply actions  

we will see

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by Ray Guilfoyle on Dec 4, 2025 10:35 AM EST up reply actions  

While I don't agree with...

…The points that MetsfanX was trying to make on the other post (Montero will probably move off of catcher) I think the larger point he was trying to make is you are not in a position to use definitive language such as “Won’t” or “Can’t”.

Since you are not a scout, you’re a writer, its probably not responsible to take other scouts opinions and state them as your facts.

by snarker on Dec 4, 2025 7:43 AM EST reply actions  

opinion

I am stating my opinion based on everything I have read. Right, i am not a scout, but am basing on various sources who state the same.
I give my opinion on plenty of players on FT…..he is one of them.

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by Ray Guilfoyle on Dec 4, 2025 8:38 AM EST up reply actions  

Opinions

aren’t stated with the language of fact or definitiveness.

“It’s a shame he can’t stay at catcher”

That doesn’t sound like an opinion. That sounds like a statement of fact based on first hand knowledge or experience.

by snarker on Dec 4, 2025 9:11 AM EST up reply actions  

no

its my opinion, and i will leave it that…..based on what i have read from many sources, even from the beat writer who covered the Trenton Thunder, IIRC, he stated that he is the worst defensive catcher he has seen.

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by Ray Guilfoyle on Dec 4, 2025 9:16 AM EST up reply actions  

Now that's comedy

Well played sir. Well played indeed

by thehitonecafe on Dec 4, 2025 3:57 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

That Depends

You may be right, but that’s a not a statement of fact, it’s just an opinion. Of course, it’s a definite fact that it is your opinion. That’s my opinion anyway, and that’s a fact! :)

by bubba4rays on Dec 5, 2025 8:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Montero for Fantasy

I don’t know Ray, it is hard to view the statement “it’s a shame he can’t stay at catcher” as just your opinion, especially since it reads as if that has already been decided. Or maybe you are lamenting a future event based on your opinion? Not sure I’ve ever done that.

Also, right now it actually seems very likely he will be catching for the Yankees next year. I agree though it would be a shame, from a fantasy perspective, if he can’t stay at catcher.

Speaking of fantasy, I’d think it is almost certain he will catch 20+ games this year which means he’ll also be eligible at catcher in 2012. If I were a betting man I’d also bet that he catches enough in 2012 to be eligible as a catcher in 2013, in all leagues. These years are the most important in dynasty leagues. In 2014 he will be 25 and seems likely to have a good enough bat to be playable at any position, including utility. At that point he is also probably good enough to be a keeper in fantasy.

Also, if you truely believe he wont catch ever you may want to discuss his mlb future, because that leaves only a few options: a. he is up this year as the Yankee DH. b. He is traded to an AL team and is its DH or c. He stays in minors to learn a new position. All of these would have fantasy implications.

by waitone on Dec 4, 2025 5:19 PM EST up reply actions  

It's just stronger, more definitive writing.

If you sound wishy-washy all the time about the things you believe, you just come across as someone trying to protect themselves if what they say doesn’t happen…

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by IHateSouthBend on Dec 4, 2025 4:36 PM EST up reply actions  

The guys over at Pinstripe Alley

… talked about this recently. The problem they saw was that the Yankees are going to have too many OTHER guys who need to fill the DH spot as they get older - A-Rod, Jeter, Teix, etc. They’ll need Montero to catch a decent amount of games just to find spots in the lineup for him and the senior citizens at the same time.

by Brownson on Dec 4, 2025 10:52 AM EST reply actions  

makes sense

I would not be surprised to see him catch in 2011, but wonder how long he will stay at catcher. That was the reason for the poll question, to generate discussion here.
Thanks for the info.
still curious why the Yankees were in on Russell Martin though.

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by Ray Guilfoyle on Dec 4, 2025 10:55 AM EST up reply actions  

It's called hedging.

People who follow baseball seriously have a deep appreciation for the uncertainty that is associated with human performance.

It’s really not that complicated if you eliminate the desire to impose your biases.

by MetsFanX on Dec 4, 2025 10:04 PM EST up reply actions  

hedging?

he has Cervelli with the big club already….and Posada….why does he want Martin? He has Romine in AA, possibly AAA in 2011. Why deal for ANOTHER catcher??
a month ago we hear that Montero will be the catcher in 2011, and Posada will DH
and yesterday we hear the Yankees wanted to trade for Russell Martin, and could still sign him….
tells me Cashman is not convinced Montero can catch……and offering him in two deals tells me he is not convinced. If he was convinced, he would make him untouchable. Not many catchers that hit like Montero floating around the minor leagues.

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by Ray Guilfoyle on Dec 4, 2025 10:21 PM EST up reply actions  

two deals?

Other than the Cliff deal, which trade was Montero involved in? Only one I heard was Soria, but I was under the impression that was not actually offered?

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by Jgaztambide on Dec 4, 2025 10:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Roy Halladay

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by Ray Guilfoyle on Dec 4, 2025 10:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Good luck....

…with your site man.

by MetsFanX on Dec 4, 2025 10:29 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah

still haven’t read your reasons why you think he stays at catcher other than “he has a rocket launcher for an arm”

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by Ray Guilfoyle on Dec 4, 2025 10:33 PM EST up reply actions  

honestly..

Rocket launcher arm would help.

Look, there are scouts and industry types that think he will be a catcher at least in the begining of his career. So that makes the certainty of your words a little strange.

I dont think the Yankees are bluffing when they say they are playing Montero at catcher next year. You seem 100% certain they are lieing. Checking in on Martin at a rockbottom price and then not pulling the trigger is not a very strong indication that the Yankees have given up on Montero catching. Its actually a smart thing to do. Lastly, as I posted earlier, it seems Montero will qualify as a fantasy catcher through 2012 AT A MINIMUM. This is important fantasy information.

This question needs a time frame. You could have literally asked the same question about Mauer and argued the Twins will move him off eventually due to health or to preserve him. In fact i think that is likely at some point. Timeframe and context is important.

All that said, I still appreciate bringing a fantasy angle here. I just dont think it is working at the moment.

by waitone on Dec 4, 2025 11:32 PM EST up reply actions  

I thought

I asked if he can stay at catcher….didn’t give a timeframe….I did state that I am of the belief that he wont….not sure what isn;t working.

Re: Cashman….well, he could be lying or exaggerating, no? He wouldn’t be the first GM to do that….hyping a prospect is quite common, no?

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by Ray Guilfoyle on Dec 5, 2025 12:01 AM EST up reply actions  

Its not working...

It’s not working because without a timeframe you could ask the same question about any offensive catcher and the answer would be “no” at somepoint in their career. So if Mauer moves to DH in 5 years he didn’t stay at catcher according to you? If V-Mart moves over to 1b full time he is not staying at catcher? Piazza? I mean the list could go on.

Are you actually asking if Montero will end his career as a catcher? If so then the answer is no. This question is worthless without a timeframe. Better question would be how long will Montero catch.

As for Cashman, of course he could be lying or exagerating or overhyping. Yeah, that is quite common. However, you are making Cashman’s words that he will catch somehow to be strong evidence that he won’t.

by waitone on Dec 5, 2025 10:24 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Montero

to me is a different situation……could be wrong….because many already talk about how long he will catch and when he will move to DH. Myers is in the same situation.

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by Ray Guilfoyle on Dec 5, 2025 10:35 AM EST up reply actions  

Is this you?

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by pedrophile on Dec 5, 2025 2:51 PM EST up reply actions  

that post

is gold

by PrincetonCubs on Dec 5, 2025 6:28 PM EST up reply actions  

at today's prices too

that post says alot…..thank you.

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by Ray Guilfoyle on Dec 5, 2025 8:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Reading comprehension....

..is clearly a weakness of yours if you think that post invalidates anything I said.

“The Mets are going to be a powerhouse in 2010. Omar has constructed a juggernaut that can only be stopped by injuries. "

The Mets lost their ace, #3 and #4 starters, starting SS, CF and LF who bat 1, 3 and 4 or 5, their closer, their #2 reliever (who’s debut clearly fit the description of being unleashed), for huge chunks of the season.

Even with your heavily biased wording, roughly 1/3 of the responses were in favor of Montero catching. The tone of the thread is clear to any remotely objective perspective. Montero is extremely likely to catch. Had you worded the poll properly, it’s blatantly clear it would have resulted heavily in my favor.

I am operating under the assumption you want more hits. You need the readers, not me. It’s clear in this thread (which YOU pushed) that my feedback had a lot of merit.

You’ve shown that you like to embellish, and now you’ve shown a “less than productive” response to constructive feedback. It’s your product dude. As I’ve stated a million times before, “Good luck with your site.”

You are clearly taking this personally. There’s really no need to pay any attention to me, because I can assure you, you will never see me on your site again.

by MetsFanX on Dec 5, 2025 9:25 PM EST up reply actions  

we ccan only hope you disappear forever

Although he did say “your site”, and not “this site”. He may be talking about faketeams.com instead of minorleagueball.com

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by Jgaztambide on Dec 5, 2025 10:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Honestly

Allthough metfanx is a little strong with his words, I think he is right. Feel free to flame away at me also if you wish, but what he has said here isn’t all that crazy or insulting. He is right that if the poll was worded differently the vote would support everything he has said about Montero. And many posters have pointed out Ray’s poor choice of words for something that is supposed to be opinion.

I don’t care much if Montero catches or not. I’m in fantasy leagues but it doesn’t affect me much and I’m not a Yankees fan.

  I do care about this site because I enjoy it from time to time. It’s very easy to see where Ray went wrong with the poll and his defenses of what he said was opinion. I think metsfanx has just been pointing out problems. If you can’t handle that, well I guess that is your problem.

Side note: It is a shame the Reds can’t win 92 games next year. It’s a shame Votto can’t win the MVP again. It’s a shame the Giants can’t repeat. It’s a shame the Red Sox can’t win the AL east…

by waitone on Dec 6, 2025 12:15 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Might as well add...

It’s a shame I can’t win the lottery tomorrow night.

by waitone on Dec 6, 2025 12:29 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

It's not that I disagree

it’s that there’s a right way and a wrong way to approach things. A reasonable person would say “I disagree with your point for reasons A, B, and C” (much as you have done)

MetsFanX says “How could you be so inconceivably stupid as to say X! You should be banned from the internet! This is proof that Gandhi’s last dying wish was to prevent fantasy writers on the internet from making claims I disagree with!” and then he won’t actually back up his claims with scouting reports or anything of the sort.

Believe me, I love a good debate and I encourage differing points of view, but there’s no room for the kind of insults and venom that this guy constantly spews. I have no problems with how you’ve approached anything, even if I disagree with it to an extent.

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by Jgaztambide on Dec 6, 2025 12:35 AM EST up reply actions  

Right

Yup. I understand. People sometimes get a little too passionate about this stuff and take it personal. Others think they are smarter than everyone else. It doesn’t help that there are a lot of lawyers in here.

by waitone on Dec 6, 2025 9:38 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

hedging..

Well the deal was Cervelli for Martin. They could still add Martin but I thnk you are reading into it way too much and it might never happen. Even if it does happen Yankees can work with three catchers especially when two hit well enough to DH.

Furthermore, Cliff Lee and Halliday are two of the best pitchers in MLB. Adding them would have made Yankees heavy favorites to win the WS in 2010. Yes they trade Montero for that.

by waitone on Dec 4, 2025 11:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Jeter at DH?

If that’s the plan and I’m a Yankees fan, I’m praying that he continues to overprice himself.

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by jar75 on Dec 4, 2025 11:09 AM EST up reply actions  

On any given day its going to make more sense to use Montero at DH unless that other aging player absolutely needs a break

In which case might as well just give him a day off.

Yeah, it hurts with an old roster not being able to rotate the DH. Its hurts MORE starting this kid behind the plate and I think that will become eminently clear very quickly. Better to just take Montero or whomever needs a rest out of the lineup. He’s a major problem behind the plate - the kind of major problem that will be first and foremost on everyone’s minds when assembling a lineup each day.

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by alskor on Dec 4, 2025 11:59 AM EST up reply actions  

All that money on pitchers

to have them toss to a young guy with subpar defensive skills? That makes no sense to me. I understand Posada is losing it back there, but clubhouse culture keeps him respected-well, by all but AJ. CC, Burnett, Pettitte, Cliff Lee (or someone else) aren’t going to want to throw to a young guy who isn’t helping them back there.

Unless he is a lot better than we’ve been lead to believe, I just have a hard time seeing him stay back there.

by drwmsu1 on Dec 4, 2025 10:57 AM EST reply actions  

I don't really know what this continues to be a topic...

When he first arrived on the scene his defense was a big question.. however, he has improved enough to remain behind the plate. He will never be confused with a good defensive catcher, but he is good enough to play the position. Here is an exerpt from the scouting report on the BA site.

Montero has worked hard to become a passable defender, improving his fitness and flexibility, but will have to keep working to remain behind the plate.

So he will have to continue to work at his receiving skills, but he is not a catcher in name only., and if he is passable, his bat will more then make up for his weaknesses behind the plate.

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by jbluestone on Dec 4, 2025 12:21 PM EST reply actions  

Yeah... IF he stays at catcher he will overwhelmingly likely be the worst defensive catcher in the bigs.

If you want to call that “passable” go for it, but he’s still terrible behind the plate by any objective measure.

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by alskor on Dec 4, 2025 12:26 PM EST up reply actions  

A better poll question would be to predict how many years until Montero is no longer a starting catcher.

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by Fla-Giant on Dec 4, 2025 4:06 PM EST reply actions  

gradual decrease

i say his game behind the dish take a flight pattern similar to this:

2011- 59
2012- 53
2013- 39
2012- 17

he then tails off to catching a few games per season, more of the emmergency catcher variety

by ScottAZ on Dec 4, 2025 5:00 PM EST up reply actions  

exactly

Most leagues this means he qualifies through 2015!

by waitone on Dec 4, 2025 11:38 PM EST up reply actions  

how?

thru 2015? do these league have a minimum number of games requirement?

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by Ray Guilfoyle on Dec 5, 2025 12:03 AM EST up reply actions  

Depends on the league

For my main league, it’s 10 games starter to retain eligibility for next year. I think that’s the norm for Yahoo leagues.

I could see Montero doing that this year (2011) and next year (2012) which means he’d be C eligible until 2013.

In dynasty leagues, that’s a perfect scenario for a young player that you want to transition to your roster while still competing. Maybe Montero is just a 1st baseman in waiting, but you’d hate to depend on a 21-year old 1st baseman for production. If the bat is good enough though, you can stash him at C (where his production will be much more manageable) until he develops into the offensive force he could / should be, and then move him to 1st/uti once he loses C eligibility. Works out great, I think.

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by Jgaztambide on Dec 5, 2025 12:11 AM EST up reply actions  

Ummmm..

Yes. Leagues have a minimum games requirement. The most common is 10. I’m in two leagues one is 10 the other is 20.

  So here, Montero would qualify in most leagues through 2015. I consider that “staying at catcher”, especially if you are talking about fantasy baseball which you suposedly are doing.

by waitone on Dec 5, 2025 10:04 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

how would he qualify through 2015?

he has yet to play a game at catcher yet in the big leagues? That is the part I don’t get, if you don’t mind.
I play in fantasy leagues where the player has to play at a position a minimum of 10 games each year to be eligible at that position in the following year.
Are you saying because he plays more than 10 games at catcher in 2011, he is eligible there till 2015?

Obviously, every league has different rules, so this is why i am questioning.

Of course, if he plays more than 10 games at catcher in 2011 he would be eligible there in 2012 in most leagues. i am just wondering how long he will even catch…..which I think is a question teams like Toronto and Seattle thought about for not dealing for him in the last year or so.

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by Ray Guilfoyle on Dec 5, 2025 10:32 AM EST up reply actions  

2015

We were replying to ScottAZ who posted that he thinks Montero will have a gradual decrease in games played at catcher. He then makes a prediction for the amount of games per season.

i say his game behind the dish take a flight pattern similar to this:

2011- 59
2012- 53
2013- 39
2012- 17

I also think something like this is possible. In fact, I bet he sees more time at catcher in 2011. Anyway, using his numbers: 59 games in 2011 qualify him for 2011 and 2012. 53 in 2012 qualify him in 2013. 39 games in 2013 qualify him in 2014. 17 games in 2014 qualify him through 2015 (in most leagues).

by waitone on Dec 5, 2025 12:12 PM EST up reply actions  

the problem is you wrote

2012 instead of 2014, which is throwing people off i imagine.

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by jbluestone on Dec 5, 2025 7:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Well

I didn’t write it, but it was clear to anyone reading it that he meant 2014.

by waitone on Dec 6, 2025 12:17 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

He's not looking to foster a realistic discussion.

He was trying to garner as many “No” votes as possible. That would somehow make him feel better.

I won’t go into the many deficiencies in the logic. I feel like a bully at this point.

by MetsFanX on Dec 4, 2025 11:05 PM EST up reply actions  

I think yes

Because a catcher whose defense loses the team a win every year is more valuable than a first baseman who is average defensively.

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by IHateSouthBend on Dec 4, 2025 4:37 PM EST reply actions  

Don't say

“I think.” It makes you sound wishy-washy about your point.

by snarker on Dec 4, 2025 5:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Saying this

… makes you sound (a) like you’re either an arrogant schoolmarm, or (b) like you’re opposed to thinking. In any case, there are good reasons use the phrase “I think” as a qualifier: it’s a propositional attitude statement, and like the other propositional attitude statements (‘I think’, ‘I know’, ‘I suspect’, ‘I believe’, ‘I hope’, ‘I doubt’), it serves to let the listener know what the speaker’s attitude is towards the proposition he says. Unless you have exactly the same level of confidence (absolute certainty?) in every sentence you say, you would do well to use a variety of such propositional attitude statements. You should, after all, be willing to acknowledge that some of the things you believe you believe for incomplete, fallible reasons.

Also, Rene Descartes said “I think, therefore I exist” (cogito, ergo sum), and was not wishy-washy about his point.

by Brownson on Dec 4, 2025 8:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Here's one reason....

…to use “I think” - VARIANCE

Here;s another - REALISM

If I say it’s going to rain in NY on April 3, 2089, I am neither a) a better writer nor b) a better weather man.

by MetsFanX on Dec 4, 2025 10:09 PM EST up reply actions  

"I think"

I may be wrong but I think Snarker was being snarky and taking a shot at Ray for not using qualifiers. When posting what he says is an opinion.

by waitone on Dec 4, 2025 11:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Bingo..

However, I was mainly taking a shot on the commenter, as he was the one that stated the lack of a qualifier was simply “stronger more definitive writing”

by snarker on Dec 5, 2025 7:45 AM EST up reply actions  

I know what you meant.

I was sort of re-emphasizing the point you were making for the slower people. Based on what I’ve seen, I don’t think your target audience has the capacity to connect the dots, so I spelled it out for them.

by MetsFanX on Dec 5, 2025 12:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Go away

You spend a lot of time in a community you don’t think much of. I think we’d all be better off if you just went away

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by Jgaztambide on Dec 5, 2025 12:35 PM EST up reply actions  

There's a comment above

Where I defended Ray’s lack of use of a qualifier like this because it makes writing more assertive to simply state your point sans qualifiers. This is all that is being referenced by snarker. No harm.

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by IHateSouthBend on Dec 5, 2025 3:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Goodness, that was a little creepy in following my comments, but very well-played

You win. I fail. Oh well.

For what it’s worth, I don’t consider myself a particularly reliable source on anything Yankees.

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by IHateSouthBend on Dec 5, 2025 3:28 PM EST up reply actions  

did you say he going to be a better catcher then Joe Mauer are you kiding

Danoo

by Danoo on Dec 4, 2025 8:36 PM EST reply actions  

for fantasy purposes

he has more power than Mauer and could put up solid BA and RBI totals in his prime……I am not high on Mauer for fantasy purposes….he has a nice BA, RBIs for a catcher, but the lack of power hurts him in my rankings.
and, I also stated that I don;t think Montero can stay at catcher…..so it really won’t matter down the road as far as comparing him to Mauer

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by Ray Guilfoyle on Dec 4, 2025 8:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Montero trade

I don’t want to start a brand new thread cuz I hate fantasy thread, but I have a trade offer I’d like your help evaluating.

I give up Jesus Montero, Delmon Young, and a smaller piece (not sure what yet, wont be major)

I get Adrian Gonzalez

I have Miguel Montero, John Buck, Jason Castro, and Wil Myers as catchers. Pujols is my first baseman, but I can move Adrian to Corner infield and Billy Butler to utility. Thoughts? it hurts my OF depth but I’m leaning towards doing it. I won’t have any superstars at C (assuming Myers goes to the OF) but the production should still be solid.

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by Jgaztambide on Dec 4, 2025 9:19 PM EST reply actions  

interesting

I think I would pull the trigger.
Is this a keeper league? any salaries involved? how long can you keep the players?

Reasoning is, and i have a post scheduled at Fake Teams for tomorrow morning, but I think AGonz in Boston vaults him to top 3 first baseman for fantasy purposes, right behind Pujols and Miggy, and ahead of Votto.

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by Ray Guilfoyle on Dec 4, 2025 9:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Details

Keeper league, 40 man rosters (3 DL spots), 16 teams. No salaries involved, players are kept as long as you want. It’s a points league that values walks and devalues steals and CS (5 for a steal, -7 for a CS, so the rate of success is important)

Current offensive roster looks like this:

1st: Pujols
2nd: Rickie Weeks
SS: Hanley
3rd: Longoria:
CI: Mark Reynolds
MI: Tulowitski
C: Miguel Montero
OF: Carlos Gonzalez
OF: Grady Sizemore
OF: Delmon Young
OF: Chris Young
UTI: Billy Butler

depth: Travis Snider, nick Markakis, Seth Smith, Neil Walker, John Buck. Notable prospects close to helping: Jesus Montero, Wil Myers, Nick Weglarz,

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by Jgaztambide on Dec 4, 2025 10:12 PM EST up reply actions  

wow

nice roster…..of htters…..I think I pull the trigger. You know what you are getting with AGonz, assuming he returns to health. Young may not repeat his 2010 season, and Montero has not hit at the major league level yet.

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by Ray Guilfoyle on Dec 4, 2025 10:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Pitching

I had the best offense in the league last year, even while having only 2 months of Cargo, no production from Sizemore, and injuries to Snider and Tulo. Of course, injuries happen to everyone, so we’ll see…

I finished 4th last year. My weakness is pitching. I have Felix, Liriano, Hamels, Garza, and traded Scott Baker + Brett Jackson for Brandon Morrow (whom I love) this offseason. My weakness is closers. Only have Storen and a host of guys who may or may not close (Kimbrel, Walden, Braddock, Runzler, Ceda, Zumaya)

The league places a huge value on closers, mostly accidentally. We instituted a maximum innings limit (1475 innings) and closers get a lot of points per inning (top closer got around 18-21 points per inning last year, top starters got 8.5-9.7) so my lack of closers is what’s killing me. We’re devaluing saves this year (top closers will be around 15-18 points per inning) but they’re still very valuable.

I’m leaning towards doing it too, though I could also move Montero for Verlander or Jered Weaver

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by Jgaztambide on Dec 4, 2025 10:33 PM EST up reply actions  

in that case

maybe you should make the deal for a pitcher or closer if possible…deal from strength to strengthen your areas of weakness

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by Ray Guilfoyle on Dec 4, 2025 10:37 PM EST up reply actions  

the idea

If I trade for Adrian, it makes Billy Butler somewhat expendable (except as injury backup or Utility, but I feel comfortable playing reynolds, Snider, or Markakis at UTI). The owner who has Carlos Marmol will trade me Marmol + something (3rd round pick?) for Butler, so I can turn montero into a closer, albeit indirectly

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by Jgaztambide on Dec 4, 2025 10:40 PM EST up reply actions  

good idea

I like both moves then

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by Ray Guilfoyle on Dec 4, 2025 11:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Hmm

How does the deal being dead (for now) affect your assessment of the trades in question. My gut says “not worth it”

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by Jgaztambide on Dec 5, 2025 3:14 PM EST up reply actions  

look

I am no scout or expert here….I offered my opinion on a player…that really is it. I offer my opinions all the time over at Fake Teams. I could be wrong….could be right.
I never flat out stated he would never be a catcher….I stated that my opinion that I don;t think he will stay at catcher. Not far-fetched.

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by Ray Guilfoyle on Dec 5, 2025 12:08 AM EST reply actions  

Don't worry about it

There are a few trolls on the site at the moment. Either trying to cause trouble or just acting like they are smarter than everyone.

FWIW I think NY will attempt to keep Montero at catcher but would be willing to move him in the right deal. I think he ends up at first or DH for another team unless his D is much better than reported.

by pedrophile on Dec 5, 2025 12:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks

I appreciate your posts. Keep up the good work. Most of what is posted on this site is opinion. I understand that, but apparently some people are more interested in discussing the semantics of what “opinion” means, rather than discussing baseball.

by bubba4rays on Dec 5, 2025 10:54 PM EST up reply actions  

thanks

will post top first base prospects on Tuesday

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by Ray Guilfoyle on Dec 5, 2025 11:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Is that really the important thing?

I think the poll is asking the wrong question. The question is will he play at catcher this year. I think long-term, he moves off the position, but by that point it won’t matter. In the short-term, he’s a catcher, and he’ll be one of the top 5 fantasy catchers next season, while also spending some time at DH. He’ll probably play around 120 games next year, if I had to guess.

by footballstu on Dec 5, 2025 2:41 PM EST reply actions  

really

most of you don’t think a 20 y/0 catcher, who has maybe 6 years experience at the position, can improve with more experience?

by JMonteroFanatico on Dec 5, 2025 6:37 PM EST reply actions  

Their opinions are reflections of their biases.

They have nothing to do with reality. Most humans lack the ability to provide a truly objective perspective of anything. Many lack the intelligence, while others lack the integrity. 1 way or another, what you end up with most of the time is crap.

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