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Houston Astros Top 20 Prospects for 2011

Houston Astros Top 20 Prospects for 2011

All grades are EXTREMELY PRELIMINARY and subject to change. Don't get too concerned about exact rankings at this point, especially once you get past the Top 10. Grade C+/C guys are pretty interchangeable depending on what you want to emphasize.

Feel free to critique the list, but use logic and reason rather than polemics to do to. The list and grades are a blending of present performance and long-term potential. Full reports on all of players can be found in the 2011 Baseball Prospect Book. We are now taking pre-orders. Order early and order often!

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QUICK PRIMER ON GRADE MEANINGS:

Grade A prospects are the elite. They have a good chance of becoming stars or superstars. Almost all Grade A prospects develop into major league regulars, if injuries or other problems don't intervene. Note that is a major "if" in some cases.

Grade B prospects have a good chance to enjoy successful careers. Some will develop into stars, some will not. Most end up spending several years in the majors, at the very least in a marginal role.

Grade C prospects are the most common type. These are guys who have something positive going for them, but who may have a question mark or three, or who are just too far away from the majors to get an accurate feel for. A few Grade C guys, especially at the lower levels, do develop into stars. Many end up as role players or bench guys. Some don't make it at all.

A major point to remember is that grades for pitchers do NOT correspond directly to grades for hitters. Many Grade A pitching prospects fail to develop, often due to injuries. Some Grade C pitching prospects turn out much better than expected.

Also note that there is diversity within each category. I'm a tough grader; Grade C+ is actually good praise coming from me, and some C+ prospects turn out very well indeed.

Finally, keep in mind that all grades are shorthand. You have to read the full comment for my full opinion about a player, the letter grade only tells you so much. A Grade C prospect in rookie ball could end up being very impressive, while a Grade C prospect in Triple-A is likely just a future role player.

 

Houston Astros Top 20 Prospects for 2011

1) Jordan Lyles, RHP, Grade B+: He won't be a superstar, but he'll soak innings and throw strikes.

2) Delino DeShields, 2B, Grade B-: If he turns out like his dad, the Astros will be happy. Grade can/should rise once he gets more experience.

3) Mike Foltynewicz, RHP, Grade B-: One of my favorite high school pitchers from the 2010 draft.

4) Austin Wates, OF, Grade B-: I think this guy is underrated. Should hit for average, get on base, and provide steals.

5) J.D. Martinez, OF, Grade B-: Steal from the 2009 draft, has decent tools, knows how to hit, but was just a 20th round pick.

6) Tanner Bushue, RHP, Grade C+: Erratic in the Sally League, but still young and projectable.

7) Aneury Rodriguez, RHP, Grade C+: You know your system is thin when a Rule 5 guy gets into the Top 10. But he has a good arm and should be able to help this year.

8) Mark Melancon, RHP, Grade C+: Like Rodriguez, he's ready to help now. If he throws enough strikes, he could close eventually.

9) Jonathan Villar, SS, Grade C+: Would rank higher on pure tools, but I have significant worries about his bat.

10) Jimmy Paredes, 2B, Grade C+: Like Villar, he came over in a trade, he's got the tools, but I'm not sure he'll hit.

11) Mike Kvasnicka, 3B-C-OF, Grade C+: I don't think the NY-P numbers reflect his bat fairly, but what position does he play?

12) Jiovanni Mier, SS, Grade C+: One of the big disappointments of the 2010 season. Young enough to rebound.

13) Jose Altuve, 2B, Grade C: You have to love the numbers, but can a 5-5 player really succeed at higher levels? We'll find out this year.

14) Dallas Keuchel, LHP, Grade C: Throws strikes, gets ground balls, could surprise as fifth starter type.

15) Jay Austin, OF, Grade C: Great tools, but I doubt the bat.

16) Ariel Ovando, OF, Grade C: Great tools, power, cost a lot of money, but hasn't played in the US yet and I am cautious about such players until we get real data.

17) Douglas Arguello, LHP, Grade C: Older prospect that you won't see on other lists, but he throws strikes, gets grounders, and could sneak into major league role this year.

18) Brian Bogusevic, OF, Grade C: Perfect fit as a reserve outfielder. Won't hit for average, but can do everything else decently.

19) Telvin Nash, 1B-OF, Grade C: Excellent power potential but lacks other skills.

20) Carlos Quevedo, RHP, Grade C: Strike-thrower had good year in the New York-Penn League, though doesn't fan a lot of people.

OTHERS: Jose Cisenro, RHP; Koby Clemens, 1B; Bobby Doran, RHP; Jon Gaston, OF; Jake Goebbert, OF; Ben Heath, C; Roberto Pena, C; Lance Pendleton, RHP; Rodney Quintero, RHP; James Robinson, RHP; Ross Seaton, RHP; Tommy Shirley, LHP; J.B. Shuck, OF; Pat Urckfitz, LHP; Vincent Velasquez, RHP.

The problems with the Houston farm system are well-documented, and most of the blame lies with cheapskate ownership. The situation has improved over the last couple of years, with an influx of projectable arms like Lyles, Folty, and Bushue giving some hope for the future pitching staff. Physical tools are the emphasis on the hitting side, although the results so far with players like Austin aren't too impressive. Trades this past summer brought in high-ceiling infielders Villar and Paredes, but I'm not sure either of them will hit enough to live up to expectations. The signing of Ovando is a good marker for the future of the system, even if he doesn't pan out himself.

Overall, things are still very thin, but there are signs of improvement.

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OUCH

this has my vote for the worst system so far

by Havok1517 on Dec 28, 2025 2:38 PM EST reply actions  

To be fair

the Oswalt trade also netted them a combined 11 years of service time in Happ/Wallace, and neither of them qualify for this list.

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by DrewRusse on Dec 28, 2025 4:43 PM EST up reply actions  

What's the difference between Foltynewicz and Tago

Folty’s fastball is probably better and their breaking balls are comperable, and the ceiling is about the same, but Tago gets a B and Folty a B-. Plus, outside of two starts, Folty had an excellent pro debut as well.

Also, Lyles is an A- for me, but as usual, I know I’m in the minority on him.

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by Archie A on Dec 28, 2025 2:49 PM EST reply actions  

I agree...

though Lyles, just turned 20, is surely young enough to potentially add some velocity. Also, he was pretty impressive at his young age in the higher levels of the minors with a pretty K ratio to boot. I honeslty think he’ll add some speed as he matures. At 19, he was bascially a college freshman and he there was talk that he was going to be called up last year. I think he could be quite special.

by Havok1517 on Dec 28, 2025 2:59 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't see him as "special" at all.

He already knows how to pitch and he locates well. He doesn’t have a MLB out pitch and that will hurt him. Not sure what he’s going to get swings and misses on in the majors.

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by alskor on Dec 28, 2025 3:04 PM EST up reply actions  

As you surely know

There’s no reason to think that his 6.3 K/9 in AAA over 31 IP are more indicative than his 8.2 in AA over 127 IP are.

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by OldProspects on Dec 28, 2025 6:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Surely I do.

That’s why I put “(SSS)” there.

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by alskor on Dec 28, 2025 7:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Curveball's borderline plus

Changeup is a plus
Command and control are both plus at worse
62 of the 97 qualifying SP’s on Fangraphs had average fastballs below 92 MPH and there’s a large number who succeed in that range. Lyles sits 91 comfortably and like Havok said, he just turned 20, and he’s athletic enough and has a good build that he could sit 93 by the time he’s fully developed

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by Archie A on Dec 28, 2025 3:04 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t buy the curve as “borderline plus” at all. The change is good, but nothing great. As I said above he succeeds through plus c&c & advanced pitchability of pretty mediocre stuff.

I don’t buy the projection of increasing velo on Lyles, either. This is something I only hear from Houston fans.

Despite his length and a frame that should fill out, he’s not very projectable; it seems like his current velocity already requires effort, leaving many to feel he’s close to his ceiling.

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=12579

I like Lyles plenty - he’s a good/very good pitching prospect. I fully rebuke the notion he’s a special prospect or anything great. I think people who think that are putting way too much emphasis on his minor league performance (and glossing over the negative parts of it). He strikes me as #3 starter type.

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by alskor on Dec 28, 2025 3:16 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't understand

how he “should still fill out” but not be projectable. KG never explained that one, so can you make sense of it.

And I’d not arguing that he’s super projectable, but some pitchers add 1-2 MPH to their FB just by getting on a ML throwing program, and I think 93 isn’t out of the possibility for Lyles.

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by Archie A on Dec 28, 2025 3:26 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't think 93 is out of the question either.

but lets not act like its a given either. Since we’re comparing him to other prospects who already throw harder and are equally or more projectable its still a knock against him.

I don’t really want to interpret KG’s comments (don’t feel right doing that), but to me, he already is a high effort delivery guy… he’s already making the most out of his mechanics. I’ve heard this a number of places… but admittedly, its very subjective.

Also, just noticed above I said the curveball I didn’t buy as plus - I meant the slider. The curve is pretty good and borderline plus, yes… I don’t think its anything that’s going to generate a ton of swings and misses against major league hitters though.

For the record, (& as a sneak preview) I did have Lyles in my top 25 pitching prospects. Right above Chris Dwyer - who I think is a very good prospect. I just can’t understand the argument for Lyles as “special” or an “A-” prospect. I think he’s a very good prospect. I don’t think he’s a bust or a back end guy. I just don’t believe he has frontline stuff.

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by alskor on Dec 28, 2025 3:43 PM EST up reply actions  

For the record...

I didn’t call him special. I said he ‘could be special’ which envokes a possible future.

by Havok1517 on Dec 28, 2025 3:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Definitely not a given

I just think with his age, athleticism, and experience, that extra couple MPH will come to him.

The slider was bad, and hopefully he’ll can it and focus on developing the curve. With potential for average FB, plus Curve, plus Change and plus/plus-plus C&C, that adds up to an elite talent to me, but I don’t think ranking wise we’re no more than 10 pitchers apart on him.

Also, typing plus so much, I just realized how wierd looking a word plus is.

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by Archie A on Dec 28, 2025 3:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Goldstein had so many mistakes in that article

Conflicted with so many other scouting reports I’ve read. I don’t trust his sources at all considering the lack of consistency he has with every other analyst.

I always felt Lyles had a low-effort delivery, and I’ve watched him pitch a lot.

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by OremLK on Dec 28, 2025 7:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Like what exactly?

BA:

Lyles pitches at 89-92 mph and touches 94
There are some concerns with his delivery and how his not-quite-overpowering stuff will play against major leaguers.
http://www.baseballamerica.com/online/prospects/rankings/league-top-20-prospects/2010/2610777.html

I don’t have anything else recent to link, though I’ve seen things here and there, twitter, talking to people, but they all seem to mesh. Plus, the older reports all said these same things, to my recollection.

Just roughly, here’s a video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhQrhq7zUVA (annoyingly, all the clear videos are of warm up pitches rather than game action, so he’s not going 100% and you can’t really see the effort).

Lyles already has an adult body. He will probably put on some more weight, but this isn’t some string bean kid who is going to hit the weight room and add muscle. Its also not like his mechanics are going to get smoothed out or anything… He’s pretty much a finished product physically and mechanically. So… I think when people doubt projection here they mean there is no adjustment he’s going to make or growth spurt or added muscle that is going to jump his velo much. He’s athletic, so I could see a couple ticks more… but I’d be pretty surprised if he ended up sitting mid 90’s anytime soon. That’s all I’m saying.

Lyles has many of the elements I look for in a young pitcher. A- is just too far for me.

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by alskor on Dec 28, 2025 7:59 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree he's not A- by the way

I’m just saying I don’t trust Goldstein’s information. I don’t really want to turn this into bash KG time but there were a number of factual inaccuracies in his story, or at least reports which conflict with what I’ve been told by other sources.

Just as a for instance (there are problems in most of his little scouting reports), the Lyles report says that his best secondary pitch is his curve ball. Every single other scouting report I’ve seen says his best secondary pitch is actually his changeup, which I would agree with from what I’ve seen of him pitching.

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by OremLK on Dec 28, 2025 9:50 PM EST up reply actions  

he does talk to scouts on this stuff

So while you may have a legitimate point against KG, to be fair you’re going to have to go against the scouts that he’s talked to, as well.

by mrkupe on Dec 29, 2025 12:59 AM EST up reply actions  

source

I have been doing this long enough to know something: two completely legitimate and trusted sources can tell you different things.

by John Sickels on Dec 29, 2025 4:44 PM EST up reply actions  

indeed

I just don’t think that claiming that the information that doesn’t match your own perspective is untrustworthy is the proper response to such a situation.

by mrkupe on Dec 29, 2025 8:15 PM EST up reply actions  

It's more that

He conflicts with multiple other sources, not just my personal point of view. But point taken, there’s a strong element of subjectivity in all of this and different sources will indeed say different things.

To put it a little more politely, then: His scouting reports seem to me to go against the consensus.

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by OremLK on Dec 29, 2025 11:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Hard-pressed

To find a high school pitcher from the ’10 draft class that I would take over Foltynewicz (aside from Taillon obviously). I was thrilled when the Astros got him. I think both he and DeShields should be grade B and just outside the top 100 range, with the strong possibility of a rapid rise next year depending on how they perform.

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by OremLK on Dec 28, 2025 5:48 PM EST up reply actions  

I would take Zach Lee pretty easily. Stetson Allie, too.

Probably AJ Cole.

I do like Foltynewicz , though. Would also give consideration to Luke Jackson and maybe Peter Tago & Tyrell Jenkins. Jackson got a bigger bonus than Folty & Jenkins was close. I just like Tago a lot.

I did put Foltynewicz into my first rough shortlist of guys to consider for my top 100. He’s almost certainly going to come up short, though, as there are about 150 guys on that list. I can definitely see some projection in Foltynewicz. (compared to Lyles). Cold weather state kid, flashes higher velo… Lot to like there. I definitely like the pick there and what they paid compared to some later picks in the round.

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by alskor on Dec 28, 2025 7:14 PM EST up reply actions  

I can definitely see the argument for Lee and Cole

I would probably put them on about the same level as Foltynewicz, although I don’t think I would feel confident in saying which of those three are the better prospects.

Allie worries me. I just have a bad feeling about his health and his future in the rotation. Who knows maybe he’ll prove me wrong and go on to become an ace starting pitcher; he does have that upside. I just have serious concerns about his prospect floor.

Scouting reports on Folty vary. I’ve seen reports that he sits as high as 94-96mph with movement on his fastball, although some have him lower. Some sources give him future plus grades on both the breaking ball and the changeup. Command seems to be the biggest question mark, but I like his repeatable delivery, so I feel that will develop as well.

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by OremLK on Dec 28, 2025 7:34 PM EST up reply actions  

I assume

you’re not including DNS guys like Whitson, Gausman and Covey, Orem. I’d absolutely take Whitson over Foltynewciz, and probably Gausman and Covey too, though that’s purely based on my unnatural affection for Covey. lol

I’m not sure I’d take Cole either. I like him, and he’s obviously got one of the higher ceilings of the h.s. draftees, but Folty’s stuff is plenty good. Allie is a similar proposition. Where have you seen reports of Folty sitting 94-96? I don’t think I’ve ever seen him sitting that high, though he was routineyl reported to touch mid-90s. I love his build, delivery and the movement on his pitches. Per the above, I do think he should be mentioned with Tago, and I like Folty’s present arsenal more as Tago’s breaking ball was inconsistent this year and I haven’t seen one glowing report on a third pitch, whereas I’ve seen multiple positive reports on the Folty’s change as you note.

by blackoutyears on Dec 29, 2025 11:08 AM EST up reply actions  

Agreed on taking Whitson over Folty

But yeah, I wasn’t including the DNS guys.

I’m pretty sure at least one of the scouting reports I found during the draft days said he sat 94-96 but I don’t have the link on hand, sorry.

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by OremLK on Dec 29, 2025 5:22 PM EST up reply actions  

folty

I was under the impression that he was low 90s, touching 96. Never heard anything about him sitting mid-90s. Stetson Allie was sitting in that range, but he was the hardest thrower in the class.

by mrkupe on Dec 29, 2025 8:18 PM EST up reply actions  

PG Crosschecker had Folty consistently at 93-95, touching 97. Link.

MLB Bonus Baby said 92-94, touching 96. Link.

by AstroAndy on Dec 29, 2025 10:39 PM EST up reply actions  

I could swear

I saw a report somewhere which said he touched 98mph at times and sat 94-96 but I can’t find it through Google, so maybe I’m just mistaken. Regardless, even if it’s just 92-94mph and touching 96, that’s pretty impressive given the amount of sink he gets and considering that he still has projection left.

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by OremLK on Dec 30, 2025 3:47 AM EST up reply actions  

even if it’s just 92-94mph and touching 96, that’s pretty impressive

Agreed, and that’s more in line with what I’ve seen. And FWIW, AstroAndy, PG also noted in that same report that “[Foltynewicz’s] fastball velo "dropped" a bit later in the spring.” That makes me more comfortable with splitting the difference between his peak velo range and his beginning of season 91-94 mph range.

by blackoutyears on Jan 1, 2026 5:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Whenever I hear Mike Foltynewicz, I think of some 34 year old who is similar to Miguel Batista

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by Marinerfanjake on Dec 28, 2025 4:29 PM EST reply actions  

yeesh

thin system. I feel sorry for astros fans.

by pack_fan on Dec 28, 2025 4:50 PM EST reply actions  

I don't

I feel these grades are a little pessimistic (especially given some of John’s aggressive grades for draft prospects in other systems) and I also feel that there are a lot of prospects who could have big seasons next year and really turn the Astros farm system around.

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by OremLK on Dec 28, 2025 5:51 PM EST up reply actions  

I could see that

there are likely a number of guys in the lower levels that could jump themselves eventually. if the system is going to improve thats where they’ll come from, just might need to weather a few down years. good to hear an astros fan’s perspective.

by pack_fan on Dec 28, 2025 6:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Agree

Since the new regime took over, the drafts have been heavier in HS players, especially at the top of the drafts. The quickest signs still only have 2 full seasons, tops. While it’s nice to see guys fly through like Lyles, that’s still the exception. It will look better as those guys reach the upper levels.

While it’s part of the process and the farm system itself isn’t improved, it should be noted that the organization isn’t short on young talent. Happ, Wallace, Johnson, Castro, and Melancon were all big parts of the big-league club.

by astrosfan76 on Dec 28, 2025 7:15 PM EST up reply actions  

+1 for pack fan

If anything, these grades are too optimistic. To thing this system is where it’s at after trading Oswalt and Berkman is still horrifying. And to think that Brett Wallace, Jason Castro and Chris Johnson are the young guns riding to the rescue is even scarier.

by jedjethro on Dec 28, 2025 9:54 PM EST up reply actions  

given some of John’s aggressive grades for draft prospects in other systems

Well, in fairness, three of the top four here are 2010 draftees, which certainly says something about the system in itself. I don’t really get into the arcana of grading, but it seems a little silly to worry about a plus vs. a minus for players. In the case of this trio all have some question marks, and I assume you’re not debating that they’re B prospects but rather what caliber of B prospect they are?

by blackoutyears on Dec 29, 2025 11:12 AM EST up reply actions  

B- versus B+

Isn’t that like the difference between a top 250 prospect and a top 50 prospect? It seems pretty significant to me.

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by OremLK on Dec 29, 2025 3:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe

but I assume that you don’t think guys with minuses should be pluses?

by blackoutyears on Jan 1, 2026 5:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, I think they're more borderline top 100

So grade B sounds about right to me.

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by OremLK on Jan 2, 2026 8:48 PM EST up reply actions  

2010 drafted hitters

It will be a pivotal year for seeing how DDJ, Wates, Kvasnicka, and even Heath and Pena develop as hitters. One can still hope that there will be some hope for the future (to go along with some decent pitching prospects) if several of these guys have a good year in 2011.

by pacbellpilgrim on Dec 28, 2025 5:17 PM EST reply actions  

Eeesh

There is some projection here, but inevitably some guys won’t develop and others will fizzle out, so that’s where the thinness mixed with the lack of a “special” prospect frightens me.

by Slizeezyc on Dec 28, 2025 6:33 PM EST reply actions  

Austin Wates

Does anybody have any more to say about him? How fast is he expected to move up?

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by OldProspects on Dec 28, 2025 6:36 PM EST reply actions  

Wouldn't be shocked to see him spend some time in AA next year

More likely A-Advanced, though.

He has good all-around tools except for his arm and has plus speed on the basepaths. Biggest question seems to be his position, he played some infield and corner outfield in college, but scouts seem to think he would play best as a center fielder.

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by OremLK on Dec 28, 2025 7:28 PM EST up reply actions  

scouts seem to think he would play best as a center fielder.

Well, to be fair, I think most feel that’s where has has to be play to profile as a major league regular for them. There are the lingering questions about his swing of course, but that sort of reminds me of the last college OF with a funky never-gonna-play-in-the-majors swing whom HOU drafted, and Pence has done just fine for himself.

by blackoutyears on Dec 29, 2025 11:15 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm also interested in learning more about him.

his scouting videos had me impressed. almost like a bj upton-lite. //maybe not as much power as bju//

by daveh33 on Dec 28, 2025 9:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Too early to tell on Wates

Next year will reveal a lot, hopefully. At this point he could turn into anything from a utility infielder to the next Carl Crawford (obviously more likely the former than the latter). I do feel he’ll find his way to the big leagues at some point, though. He’s apparently pretty polished offensively and he definitely has the tools.

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by OremLK on Dec 28, 2025 9:58 PM EST up reply actions  

There are worse systems

Sure they didn’t improve much when they had the chances, but I didn’t think they are that much worse then last year.

I like this system more than most. I would make DeShields a B. I’d make Villar and Paredes 5-6 with Villar as a B- and Paredes C+
I might even put Kvasnicka right after them at 7.
Keuchel and Jay Austin could also both work as C+’s for me.

And I know Mier struggled, but I’d put him a spot above Melancon.
So Lyles-DeShields-Folty-Wates-Paredes-Villar-Kvasnicka-Martinez-Bushue-Rodriguez-Mier-Melancon-Keuchel-Austin all quality C+ and up.

by sjkqw on Dec 28, 2025 8:32 PM EST reply actions  

Ross Seaton

Any more on Ross Seaton? See him as a decent player long term?

by Aaron Foster on Dec 29, 2025 1:34 AM EST reply actions  

Vincent Velasquez

I’d take him over at least 10 guys on this list. Now that he’s focusing soley on pitching he’s gonna take off. Put up great numbers in rookie ball. Hits 93 mph w/ his FB with room to grow into his 6’3 185 frame and add a tick to his FB. Wicked CB and an advanced CU. He’s projectable with good mechanics. Real surprised he didn’t make this list especially considering how thin this system is.

http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-cubs-wrigley-bound/

by cubsfan1 on Dec 29, 2025 6:51 AM EST reply actions  

TJ Surgery

or else he’d been at least a C+

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by Archie A on Dec 29, 2025 7:41 AM EST up reply actions  

If Altuve was 5'9", what kind of grade would he get?

I’m just curious to see how much his height affects his ranking.

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by DrewRusse on Dec 29, 2025 1:24 PM EST reply actions  

Scouting the Sally posted a pretty glowing report

On Altuve. Here’s a quote from the conclusion:

In all honesty, the easy out is to simply write Altuve off as a AAAA-utility type at the major league level due to his lack of size. However, if Jose Altuve really was his listed Baseball Reference height/weight of 6’1″, 185 lbs., we’d be discussing a surefire top-100 prospect and one of the top-5 position prospects I scouted in 2010.

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by OremLK on Dec 29, 2025 5:35 PM EST up reply actions  

As weak as this system is, we want Aneury back!

I don’t understand how you lose your 2 big name players , have a early first rounder and still look so weak. Yes, they got a pretty solid SP in Happ but he’s no all star and that trade let to Wallace but gotta see something on offense real soon as we all know he has no glove. DeShields was such a swing and a miss that early, yeah he can turn out very good and I can say I was wrong except they could have taken a Josh Sale type and DeShields might of been there for their next pick.

Price, Garza, Shields, Davis, Hellickson is too awesome, Niemann for closer?

by joeybw on Dec 29, 2025 1:51 PM EST reply actions  

The combination of...

…Castro graduating to the bigs and Mier having a down season really took the top off this system. But I still feel there is quality depth at the lower levels.

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by OremLK on Dec 29, 2025 5:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Plus

Mier only had a down season, no reason to write him off like everyone wants to do. A new season without mounting frustration and he can bounce back in the discussion of the system’s top prospects.

by astrosfan76 on Dec 29, 2025 8:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Jordan Lyles top 10 pitcher?

Any historians out there? ‘Cause I’m wondering how many teenage starters have succeeded in AA and not gone on to conspicuous MLB effectiveness.

Moreover, despite his youth Lyles has already established a professional track record of health/durability. Given all the plusses and exactly one negative (Wainwright-type medium velocity) there aren’t ten guys I’d take over him. Maybe not five.

I don’t anybody should be surprised if the kid is a #1-type MLB starter by 2013 (200 IP & ERA+ of 135 or better).

by Mekonsrock on Dec 29, 2025 1:58 PM EST reply actions  

This is an extremely pessimistic report

Obviously, you are the well-respected expert here, but there are a few rankings I severely disagree with. Lyles is an A- for sure in my book (I know I’m nit-picking, but that’s a pretty significant difference). AAA struggles aside, he had huge success and good K/9 numbers in AA as a 19 year old. People overrate velocity when looking at pitchers in the minors, and just because he doesn’t have that plus fastball many people look for doesn’t mean he can’t be very good.

The one I have a read problem with is Ovando. I understand the reluctance to rate an international prospect with no track record in the States highly, but having watched tape sent to me from a buddy in the Dominican, I’m completely sold on this guy. He has unreal tools, hits the ball with an effortless, smooth swing, and I think this guy becomes an All-Star relatively quick (I say relatively b/c he’s 17 (he’s really 17)).

A trend that happens a lot in scouting is to really be down on a system and therefore overlook the bright spots in the system, and I think that happened here. Houston has done a lot to improve its depth, especially at the lower levels, and I don’t think that was reflected here.

PS I think Velasquez even though he’s having TJ should’ve made the top 20 by the way.

by patrickharrel on Jan 2, 2026 2:07 AM EST reply actions  

fixed for you
People underrate velocity when looking at pitchers in the minors, and just because he doesn’t have that plus fastball many people look for doesn’t mean he can’t be a solid major league starting pitcher.

by mrkupe on Jan 2, 2026 12:19 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm not as optimistic as you are

But I also think John missed a bit on the Ovando grade. Do we really know that much more about any given high school player from the ’10 draft class than we do about Ovando? Why the huge disparity? I feel that if Foltynewicz is a B- (and I think he should be grade B) then Ovando should get the same grade.

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by OremLK on Jan 2, 2026 8:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Do we really know that much more about any given high school player from the ’10 draft class than we do about Ovando?

I don’t know about “any given h.s. player”, but in general I’d say that the averege Day One h.s. draft prospect probably has a lot more info on him than the average international prospect. Maybe John feels better with the h.s. baseball and summer showcase paradigms in terms of a competition benchmark. Regardless, should he feel more comfortable giving higher grades to international players simply because the fans of that international player’s team are?

by blackoutyears on Jan 4, 2026 5:38 PM EST up reply actions  

arguello

I like the heads up you gave on him. He’s obviously old for a prospect who just played at AA, but he’s not a bad arm. His breaking ball isn’t very good, but he shows good natural cut on his fastball and his changeup is a solid pitch. I could maybe see him as a swingman type, as I don’t think he has quite enough of a repertoire to consistently start, and nothing that would make him stand out as a relief type either.

by mrkupe on Jan 2, 2026 12:28 PM EST reply actions  

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