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I'm now working on the Houston Astros, to be followed by the Oakland Athletics, Los Angeles Dodgers, and Los Angeles Angels. Use this thread to discuss the Oakland farm system, focusing on sleepers or overlooked players that you like.

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Robin Rosario

anyone heard how is he was throwing after being moved to a P from an OF?

by Bud Light on Dec 27, 2025 2:33 PM EST reply actions  

Royce Consigli, Vicmal de la Cruz, Zhi Fang Pan, Shawn Haviland and Renato Nunez

I’d like John’s opinion on these guys

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by WaddellCanseco on Dec 27, 2025 2:36 PM EST reply actions  

That reliever they just picked up from Pittsburgh for Wimberly

Is he even a prospect?

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by RoyalsRetro on Dec 27, 2025 3:20 PM EST reply actions  

Nah, not really

They did sign a somewhat interesting minor league free agent though, a guy named Jonathan Ortiz who’s racked up huge numbers of strikeouts while being left to rot by the Yankees. It’s strange that I like him better than several guys they actually traded for, but such is life.

"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.

by PaulThomas on Dec 28, 2025 2:47 AM EST up reply actions  

I think Rashun Dixon

Is getting overlooked — I partner him w/ DET’s Daniel Fields and SEA’s James Jones as toolsy OFers who, while not exactly dominating in 2010, demonstrated hitting ability and plate discipline, and who could breakout in 2011.

by gogotabata on Dec 27, 2025 3:35 PM EST reply actions  

He's at least as good as Stassi

but, then again, I’m not at all high on Stassi, who I think is an iffy C+ grade, maybe even a C.

"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.

by PaulThomas on Dec 28, 2025 3:24 AM EST up reply actions  

Iffy C+?

Yeah, I don’t agree with that. He was a 19 year old in the MWL who displayed strong defensive tools and more power than expected. His K rate was terrible, but that’s hardly a reason to drop him to consider dropping him to a ‘C’. He’s a borderline B-/C+, just like Luke Bailey.

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by jar75 on Dec 28, 2025 9:23 AM EST up reply actions  

just like Bailey?

I’d say Stassi is a clear grade ahead of Bailey.

by mrkupe on Dec 28, 2025 9:36 AM EST up reply actions  

Maybe

I give Stassi the edge, but I think the two are fairly close. I always have been a pretty big Luke Bailey fan so maybe I’m too optimistic there.

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by jar75 on Dec 28, 2025 9:38 AM EST up reply actions  

Luke Bailey?

He’s even worse than Stassi. Easy C grade. Rating him higher than that is nutty.

"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.

by PaulThomas on Dec 29, 2025 1:42 AM EST up reply actions  

Oakland...

Where prospects go to die.

by Dewey Finn on Dec 27, 2025 7:18 PM EST reply actions  

Which prospects exactly?

Trevor Cahill? Brett Anderson? Daric Barton? Andrew Bailey? I’m confused…joke?

by asyouwish33 on Dec 27, 2025 9:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Offensive prospects

Who was the last elite hitter that Oakland developed and let blossom? Please don’t say Barton because he is not an elite hitter. He can take a walk, and play great defense, but he is not among the top hitters at his position.

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by King Billy Royal on Dec 27, 2025 10:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Barton

You just know some guys that hit 30HRs,but he is a 5 WAR player

by thomashsnu on Dec 27, 2025 10:51 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm not saying he isn't good

I am stating that Oakland hasn’t really produced an elite offensive player since Eric Chavez. Perhaps there is something going on in the organizational philosophy that needs to be reevaluated.

Dewey and KBR are like Dr. Dre and Timbaland!!! All we do is produce hits!!!

by King Billy Royal on Dec 27, 2025 11:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Technically OAK didn't "produce" Barton

Since he was part of the Mulder trade and was drafted by STL.

by Bud Light on Dec 27, 2025 11:34 PM EST up reply actions  

144 games in the Cards system

324 games in the A’s system prior to his first long term MLB exposure. I’d say that puts him more in the A’s camp than the Cards.

To KBR, I’m not sure how we’re defining “elite” offensive players. Just for two examples of pretty good hitters the A’s turned out since Chavy, Nick Swisher has four seasons of a .361 wOBA or higher and Andre Ethier has four seasons of .357 wOBA or higher.

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by gatling on Dec 28, 2025 12:19 AM EST up reply actions  

Thoughts

I would say Barton is a product of the A’s, and Swisher as well, though he is more of a good player then ‘elite’ in my opinion.

Conversely to Barton, I don’t give the A’s credit for Ethier since they moved him before making an impact in Oakland.

Dewey and KBR are like Dr. Dre and Timbaland!!! All we do is produce hits!!!

by King Billy Royal on Dec 28, 2025 12:43 AM EST up reply actions  

He played 25 games in the minors for the Dodgers

after coming over from Oakland(where he played 267 games in the minors), then posted a .357 wOBA in the majors that same year. That was pretty well in line with what he did in AA the year before.

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by gatling on Dec 28, 2025 12:59 AM EST up reply actions  

My point is they didn't keep him

They dealt him for Milton Bradley, who is a notorious hothead who has a habit of running himself out of every town he plays. My original point was as follows:

Who was the last elite hitter that Oakland developed and let blossom?

Ethier does not fit this criteria.

Dewey and KBR are like Dr. Dre and Timbaland!!! All we do is produce hits!!!

by King Billy Royal on Dec 28, 2025 1:02 AM EST up reply actions  

Why would whether or not a team KEEPS a good hitter say anything about their ability to DRAFT (or trade for, I suppose) good hitters?

"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.

by PaulThomas on Dec 28, 2025 3:19 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

If you define out everyone who succeeds

Then the A’s have no ability to develop hitters.

Naturally.

"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" -Bill Watterson

by nevermoor on Dec 28, 2025 6:15 PM EST up reply actions  

I was replying to this
I am stating that Oakland hasn’t really produced an elite offensive player since Eric Chavez. Perhaps there is something going on in the organizational philosophy that needs to be reevaluated.

Developing players is one thing, how a team uses those assets is a separate issue.

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by gatling on Dec 28, 2025 3:20 AM EST up reply actions  

Most teams do not produce "elite" offensive players more than once or twice per generation unless they're consistently getting high draft picks

IIRC the Braves have produced one in the last fourteen years.

"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.

by PaulThomas on Dec 28, 2025 2:51 AM EST up reply actions  

Maybe I should have reworded

Perhaps ‘elite’ is too strong a term, and upper echelon is more accurate. Regardless, the Braves have developed Heyward, McCann, Furcal who are, or look to be, very good hitters. In addition, similar to Grieve, they have developed other guys who had very good offensive years for them such as Prado, Laroche, and Giles.

Dewey and KBR are like Dr. Dre and Timbaland!!! All we do is produce hits!!!

by King Billy Royal on Dec 28, 2025 2:59 AM EST up reply actions  

Heyward's no lock to be elite

He’s very likely to be good, and certainly has a chance to be elite, but you can’t count chickens before they’re hatched.

McCann is definitely elite for his position. He’s the one guy I was alluding to.

I wouldn’t characterize Furcal as elite (elite for a shortstop is Tejada, Garciaparra, A-Rod, Jeter levels).

"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.

by PaulThomas on Dec 28, 2025 3:18 AM EST up reply actions  

No, in KBR's world Swisher is merely good but Furcal is elite

Deal with it.

"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" -Bill Watterson

by nevermoor on Dec 28, 2025 6:16 PM EST up reply actions  

eh...

Barton had himself a good year, but him being a 5 WAR player is dependent on him being a true win-and-a-half player of defense, which is something I don’t think we have the evidence to say. Players with that much consistent defensive value are incredibly rare, and even moreso among first baseman. One year defensive numbers don’t tell us very much.

by aCone419 on Dec 27, 2025 11:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Isn't the general consensus that 3 years of data are needed to truly know how good a player is defensively?

Dewey and KBR are like Dr. Dre and Timbaland!!! All we do is produce hits!!!

by King Billy Royal on Dec 27, 2025 11:38 PM EST up reply actions  

It fits every single scouting report about his defense though

Of course it needs to be regressed some (though there’s not a single good reason to think his offense won’t continue to improve), but it’s not at all likely he’s actually a bad (or even average) defender who had some kind of fluky UZR season.

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by thejd44 on Dec 28, 2025 2:09 PM EST up reply actions  

I would agree that Barton isn't elite

but he hasn’t fallen off the map either. Oakland…where prospects go to die, is a very weird statement to make considering much of the teams success comes from developing quality minor league players. I agree that they lack young offensive prowess of other teams, i.e. Tampa, Milwaukee, Cinci but that might come from not having a very high draft pick to choose an elite hitter. Most “elite” hitters come within the first 10 - 15 picks of any given draft. The last hitter Oakland took in those picks, besides the ones developing right now was Nick Swisher. I’d say he developed quite well with Oakland, and now NY.

by asyouwish33 on Dec 28, 2025 2:31 AM EST up reply actions  

I never stated "Oakland....where prospects go to die"

Dewey and KBR are like Dr. Dre and Timbaland!!! All we do is produce hits!!!

by King Billy Royal on Dec 28, 2025 2:37 AM EST up reply actions  

No, but you defended it.

It was clearly just meant to bait A’s fans, not to further any type of discussion.

by ozzman99 on Dec 28, 2025 11:48 AM EST up reply actions  

It's sort of the Faustian bargain Dewey and KBR have bought in on . . .

They get plenty of attention for their tag-team performances, and hits for their threads, except they now never get taken seriously in terms of prospecting. Even when they try to espouse actual analysis and opinion, it gets shrugged off as further attention-baiting. So they get to make lots of noise, and everyone on the site has to hear their noise, because it is everywhere, but no one actually cares about it enough to listen to it. A mini-tragedy, of a sort.

by gogotabata on Dec 28, 2025 1:33 PM EST up reply actions  

It's just unfortunate

because I am an A’s fan, but I come here to read about all prospects. I just don’t like reading mindless comments that basically waste space.

by asyouwish33 on Dec 28, 2025 5:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Swisher was actually #16 overall

Prior to Choice, the last time the A’s had a pick in the top ten and spent it on a hitter was Eric Chavez, and immediately prior to him, Ben Grieve (who gets a bad rap but had a number of productive years in Oakland).

"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.

by PaulThomas on Dec 28, 2025 2:55 AM EST up reply actions  

On the other hand picking # 10 as the cut off seems arbitrary

They spent a 12 on Weeks and a 13 on Green. Which seemed to be very conservative picks on college middle infielders who were supposed to be very close to the big leagues and not need a lot of develpoment.

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by ogallalabob on Dec 28, 2025 1:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Green wasn't a conservative pick

He was a Boras client who wanted to be paid as if his down Junior season never happened.

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by jar75 on Dec 28, 2025 1:24 PM EST up reply actions  

And, of course, is one of the A's top prospects right now

So clearly does not support the failure narrative.

"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" -Bill Watterson

by nevermoor on Dec 28, 2025 6:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Doesn't Oakland deserve some of the flack for its undervaluation of prospects?

Oakland signed guys like Jeremy Brown because they didn’t want to pay the rate for 1st round talents. In hindsight that appears to be a huge mistake considering we now know that even with the signing bonuses, amateur players in the draft yield a tremendous return on investment.

Dewey and KBR are like Dr. Dre and Timbaland!!! All we do is produce hits!!!

by King Billy Royal on Dec 28, 2025 3:01 AM EST up reply actions  

Well, let's put that blame where it deservedly rests:

On Steve Schott.

Remember, this is a guy who (the whole story is in Moneyball) was so cheap that he made the A’s— in the middle of the 2002 playoff chase— try to dump players off the payroll to acquire Ricardo Rincon. Rincon’s immense, payroll-crushing salary at the time was… exactly $1M.

"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.

by PaulThomas on Dec 28, 2025 3:13 AM EST up reply actions  

+1

Under Beane, the A’s have done a very good job of evaluating amateur and minor league talent. I have a hard time blaming the FO for not being given the resources to do their jobs as effectively as they would have liked. It’s like praising Brian Cashman or Theo Epstein for doing a good job of replenishing their farm systems - you obviously aren’t going to criticize them, but at the same time, you need to consider the context in which the FO is working before making judgments about their job performance.

If I could find anything to complain about with the FO, it’s that they shot themselves in the collective foot for a few years with the silly anti-HS draft philosophy. They had a good idea in trying to find undervalued college talent, but if they couldn’t afford the going rate on their picks, they probably would have been better off in aggressively scouting the prep ranks for players that they liked more than the consensus. One man’s 4th rounder is another man’s supplemental round pick. The Twins used this strategy with Ben Revere (est. 3rd-5th rounder), and also the Astros with Jordan Lyles (est. 6th-10th rounder, strong college commitment). Teams just aren’t all that inventive sometimes - there are very few prep players who can’t be bought out with the lure of a high draft spot and supplemental round money.

by mrkupe on Dec 28, 2025 9:35 AM EST up reply actions  

Exactly!

Every time an A’s fan complains about Lew Wolff “not spending enough on the team,” they need to remember that compared to Schott he’s grandpa money bags. Schott deserves the most credit for the teams total collapse after ’06 because his tight pursed ways not only starved the on field team, but cut out the heart of the farm system.

A large reason why the A’s had to employ “moneyball tactics” in the draft to begin with was because Schott wouldn’t pony up for decent signing bonuses. The draft spending you see under Wolff would have been unheard of during the Schott era.

by Mr. Clean Sweep on Dec 28, 2025 12:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Right.....

like their whole pitching rotation? their young stud closer? their undervalued first baseman? their defensive shortstop. i mean i am not saying they are the best at farming talent, but they definitely do not kill their prospects.

by Zabat on Dec 27, 2025 7:52 PM EST reply actions  

Or

Oakland A’s prospect discussions: Where armchair scouts go to hate.

by ToddyBaseball on Dec 27, 2025 9:36 PM EST reply actions  

Medical staff

Does anybody have an idea what is going on with Oakland’s medical and conditioning staff? I am alarmed by the amount of injuries they have had throughout their organization and was wondering if it is just bad luck, or if the organizational philosophy is flawed.

Dewey and KBR are like Dr. Dre and Timbaland!!! All we do is produce hits!!!

by King Billy Royal on Dec 27, 2025 10:27 PM EST reply actions  

Didn't they recently fire some of their medical staff?

Dewey and KBR are like Dr. Dre and Timbaland!!! All we do is produce hits!!!

by King Billy Royal on Dec 28, 2025 2:38 AM EST up reply actions  

Basically a total housecleaning

When your team doctors are actually being sued for negligence and failure to obtain informed consent by your players, that’s a problem.

"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.

by PaulThomas on Dec 28, 2025 2:56 AM EST up reply actions  

Thanks PT

You are the man when it comes to the A’s in this part. I have a quick question for you. Was the problem mainly with the Oakland’s MLB medical staff, with Oakland’s MiLB medical staff, or did it permeate the entire organization? Thanks for your insight.

Dewey and KBR are like Dr. Dre and Timbaland!!! All we do is produce hits!!!

by King Billy Royal on Dec 28, 2025 3:02 AM EST up reply actions  

As far as I can tell the rot stretches from rookie-ball to the majors

Some of the MLB guys were acquired with the known risk of injuries, like Coco Crisp and Ben Sheets, but even excluding guys like that, the rates of DL usage (particularly for position players, who are nominally supposed to be more healthy than pitchers) are stunning.

"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.

by PaulThomas on Dec 28, 2025 3:22 AM EST up reply actions  

I'd like to hear more about Daniel Straily

He’s pretty young (just turned 22 during the offseason) and finished with 149 strikeouts this season for Kane County. Last year he also K’d more than a batter an inning. Definitely in my organizational top 30 unless I hear that he’s some kind of trick pitcher. Good enough reports and he’d move into the top 20.

Also curious to hear John’s take on Travis Banwart. Starter candidate? Strictly middle relief? Filler?

Not many bright spots in the DSL (Wilfredo Solano… bleargh) but Robinson de los Santos looks interesting. Has he gotten any pub in scouting circles?

Finally, I love Ryan Ortiz’s bat, but his health status worries me. Any news (either reassuring or discouraging)?

"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.

by PaulThomas on Dec 28, 2025 3:08 AM EST reply actions  

So many interesting guys in this system...

Outside of Carter and Green which are probably the 2 that I would put on top of the list…

I wonder where Corey Brown will rank. He had a nice AA, but couldn’t make the transition to AAA. Where does Tyson Ross fit in or is he officially not a prospect anymore?

Wil Cardenas make the list given his mediocre minor league career? Is Paramore still on the radar given his less than mediocre minor league career.

Where will Ynoa fall with his limited sample size?

by Aslan on Dec 28, 2025 11:36 AM EST reply actions  

Adrian Cardenas has had a mediocre minor league career?

His time in AAA last year wasn’t good - probably because he was recovering from an injury - but half a season at age 22 doesn’t make a career.

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by thejd44 on Dec 28, 2025 2:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Besides, Cardenas' overall #'s at AAA look bad, but that's taking them out of context

He started the year there and struggled mightily, was demoted and did well, and then returned to AAA and held his own.

by ozzman99 on Dec 28, 2025 11:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Brown

Corey Brown went to the Nationals in the Josh Willingham trade, so he isn’t a factor in the A’s system any longer.

by GreenOctober69 on Dec 28, 2025 12:00 PM EST reply actions  

Bobby Cramer

I know he’s old, but he’s still technically a prospect, and did start four games for the A’s last year. I have no idea what to think of this guy.

by itch on Dec 28, 2025 1:59 PM EST reply actions  

Sacramento RiverCats Starting Pitcher

His story is cool, but he’s not a prospect nor should he be contributing to the 2011 A’s MLB squad unless its in the role of “mop-up man”.

by Blicks on Dec 28, 2025 2:50 PM EST up reply actions  

A couple players that i'd be interested in

conor crumbliss- one of those over achieving type plays above his tools. Led milb in walks.

tyreace house- got drafted 3 times finally signed. BA ranked him with the best speed and defensive OF in the system. Non existent power, can take a walk. Maybe rajai davis type player

The progress or ortiz, barfield in AA next yr. Petey Paramore maybe has a chance as a backup catcher at some point.

 I would hope the regained health of doolittle, simmons, and carignan could replace some of the upper level depth traded of hrod, mazazaro, brown in the recent trades

by MagicMike23 on Dec 28, 2025 7:19 PM EST reply actions  


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