Kansas City Royals Farm Organization Discussion
I'm plugging away at the Twins comments. I don't know when it will be done; the first few teams always take time to do until I find my stride.
Here is a discussion thread for the third team I will do, the Kansas City Royals. What do you guys make of this system? What kind of grades do you think Eric Hosmer and Mike Moustakas merit given their disappointing seasons?
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Aaron Crow
I’ll be curious what John’s heard about Crow, and how he feels Crow stacks up against, say, Montgomery. For all the missteps Dayton Moore’s made, the system under his watch has improved, and the top 10 is rather solid.
I’m apt to give Moustakas and Hosmer a slight mulligan given their age and not drop their grade below a B-, but there definitely are huge questions.
I’m also curious how John feels about Duffy, who, for no real reason I can touch on, I really like.
by toonsterwu on Oct 16, 2025 12:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Lower levels
I think Moose kicks it back up this winter and in AA next year. I really like the consensus top 10 guys..but I am interested in what everyone thinks about Tyler Sample and Keatin Hayenga..
by NYSOX on Oct 16, 2025 12:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Sample
I saw Sample pitch twice in Burlington. Both times he was lit up. I followed his other starts and they were much better. He settled down and pitched better later in the season although I didn’t see those starts - must have made some adjustments at some point. But the ones I saw he was throwing straight stuff and it wasn’t too hard. Danville hit the daylights out of him. It’ll be interesting to see how he does in A ball.
by KSM on Oct 16, 2025 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice
I really like this system for a change.
I think Moustakas is a stud and will bounce back stronger than ever. I think the different publications that drop him way down will wish they didnt. The kid can flat out rake and i think he was working on some things throughout the season. When he is focused on just hitting, hes a monster.
Also am very high on Montgomery and Wil Myers.
Crow is major league ready but wont be anything amazing, possibly a setup man or closer in his future?
Duffy has a lot to like.
Hosmer and Melville both have a lot of upside and need time.
I just like what i see in this group this year.
I also like Giavotella thrown in the mix.
by bkmhoxx on Oct 16, 2025 1:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I still like Moutakas a lot
Hosmer is worrying….
I’m probably higher on Crow and Myers than most. Mongomery and Duffy are great. Melville too.
I love this system right now
by daveh33 on Oct 16, 2025 2:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
out of melvilee mongomery duffy and crow.. who has the best pure Stuff.. how would u rank them
by matthewmafa on Oct 16, 2025 2:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
best pure stuff?
I’d guess Crow on that, with Montgomery close, but I’ll be curious what people say. I think Duffy and Melville are probably are the back two on this list.
by toonsterwu on Oct 16, 2025 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Id say crow
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by ravensfan3 on Oct 16, 2025 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
rank them based on Pure stuff
by matthewmafa on Oct 16, 2025 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
pure stuff huh
Crow, Montgomery, Duffy, Melville is my order. Maybe switching Duffy/Montgomery if you really like Duffy’s FB. Still don’t think Duffy is the better prospect, but I do believe he has the better FB.
by thudean on Oct 16, 2025 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The way I see it
Mike Montgomery is the Royals number one prospect right now, both in terms of potential and performance over the past season. His 2009 performance rates as at least an A- (great projectability, great K/BB ratio, reportedly improved offspeed stuff and fastball velocity, several dominating performances including a 2 hit, 12 strikeout game over 6 shutout innings). You could argue for Crow as the Royals number one prospect but I would be wary of rating someone with ZERO minor league experience, at age 23, as this system’s best prospect.
Based on potential, I would rate Montgomery no higher than an A- (if you think he has legit #1 starter potential) but no lower than a B+ (if you think he is more a #1/#2 type). Overall, I would rate Montgomery overall as an A- when push comes to shove.
So under that rationale, neither Moustakas nor Hosmer merit an A- grade. Their performances at the same level as Montgomery were disappointing, while Montgomery’s was very promising. Furthermore, in terms of potential, a ceiling number one starter is, in my opinion, more valuable than a ceiling all-star caliber corner IF/OF (at this point it’s difficult to argue even that ceiling for either Moustakas or Hosmer). So, no A-.
Do they merit a B+ grade? Hosmer definitely does not. You rated him as a B+ this past offseason and his performance in 2009 did not merit that grade, all optimism for his future and reported vision problems notwithstanding. So you have to drop Hosmer to at least a B and maybe a B-. I would give him the benefit of the doubt and rate him as a B. Despite his struggles at the plate with contact, he maintained strong plate discipline and his defense is reportedly excellent. This may be a glass half full approach but I think it has merit.
Moustakas is a tougher call. He has had one very good year of hitting and one mediocre year of hitting, but both in difficult hitting parks and leagues. If he can figure out how to spray the ball to all fields and temper his aggressive approach within reason during his AFL stint, then the bat is definitely legitimate and it would not surprise me if his offensive numbers improved tremendously across the board in AA. But, unlike Hosmer, he has no defensive value at this point and is a below average baserunner. His only plus tool outside of his bat is a tremendous throwing arm. (Sidenote - it’s interesting how, if he would have put up the numbers he did this season as a catcher we would not be viewing his 2009 as that much of a disappointment. Just a ‘what if’ to take into consideration). With Moustakas, if you believe in the bat and think that the glove is not that much of an issue, give him a B+. If you’re cautious about the bat and think that the glove is a big question mark, give him a B.
I would actually go with a B for Moustakas. I think he will hit for power but I question whether he will ever develop the requisite discipline at the plate. And the glove is a big concern for me. He’s already moved positions on the diamond and likely will again, and I question the Royals organization’s ability to groom him at a position where his natural tools would add tremendous value, such as C (not likely). More likely, the Royals will just take a halfway apporach and put him in a position where his defensive shortcomings are less exposed such as a corner OF position or DH.
So in all, both Hosmer and Moustakas are grade B players for me. There are definite tools to work with and a lot of potential for both (perhaps even all-star potential), but also some question marks that have only been highlighted by disappointing performances in 2009.
Waiting for April.
by DC Royal on Oct 16, 2025 3:59 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Agree on nearly all points
Except Montgomery is more of a B+ for me. Montgomery was great, but his stuff isn’t as electric and he’s so good because his above average stuff is paired with a great sense of pitching.
Agree with Hosmer being a B at most. Moose I think is much closer to a B+ than Hosmer and could still warrant a B+. The only thing really exploited this year was his approach being somewhat shaky. The remaining tools are still there, and he went through some good stretches.
by thudean on Oct 16, 2025 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Moose/Hoz
two prospects that could make you look really good or really stupid. i’m liking Moustakas a bit more right now but it could change. i think there is a good chance he has an excellent year in AA in ’10 and makes a lot of people look silly for ranking him too low.
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by doublestix on Oct 16, 2025 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Montgomery
Saw Montgomery, Moustakas, Hosmer and Duffy this year. Montgomery was the best of the bunch. Hosmer the worst. Mous didn’t have the best pitch selection, but he was a pretty solid hitter and very solid in the field from what I saw. Duffy was also just a great pitcher all season - his stuffed really moved. But Montgomery was just overpowering.
by KSM on Oct 16, 2025 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Myers
Saw Wil Myers play once in Burlington. He hit the daylights out of one ball - over 400 ft. Otherwise he wasn’t much at the plate. But he looked good in the field - certainly could handle himself and the pitchers behind the plate. He’s got a lot of upside - sample size is still small, but he’s gotta be a top 10 - even in this strong system.
by KSM on Oct 16, 2025 5:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Good system
I’d take Montgomery over Crow
but Crow over Duffy and Melville
do the Royals have any relievers coming up left?
I bet K.C. is wishing they would have selected Justin Smoak right about now, despite the bit more $ it would have taken.
Deolis Guerra = Daniel Cabrera ?
I tend to think so
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Oct 16, 2025 5:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
^
selected Smoak over Hosmer
Deolis Guerra = Daniel Cabrera ?
I tend to think so
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Oct 16, 2025 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
relief
Carlos Rosa and 5th round pick this year Louis Coleman probably the two best relief prospects in this system right now. Rosa should make the team next year. Submarine pitcher Chris Hayes is also a fun story but i’m not sure if he’s more than a 6th guy in a bullpen.
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by doublestix on Oct 16, 2025 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Disco Hayes
the next Chad Bradford
by METSMETSMETS on Oct 17, 2025 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ohh yea...is that Lois Coleman out of LSU?
how did he last untill the 5th round?
solid solid reliever
probably not a future closer but 7th inning type of guy, I could see for sure.
Deolis Guerra = Daniel Cabrera ?
I tend to think so
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Oct 16, 2025 6:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
well, you said it yourself
How many guys with “most likely major league upside is 7th inning guy” get drafted before double-digit rounds, let alone in the first 5 rounds?
by mrkupe on Oct 16, 2025 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's not quite what he said
A guy who you think will be a solid reliever, even a 7th inning type, is not a bad thing. I would be surprised if most teams get more than 2 or 3 real contributors from any draft, so getting that sort of player at the 5th round would be a nice return
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by OldProspects on Oct 18, 2025 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
indeed
Not a bad thing, but it’s not really something to get excited about, either. A 7th inning guy is somewhere between guy No. 8 and No. 10 on a 11 man pitcher roster . . .for a lot of teams, that’s a guy who isn’t too hard to replace, and a guy that nobody gets really attached to.
by mrkupe on Oct 18, 2025 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There's a saying about the military
that amateurs think in terms of grand strategy, while generals think in terms of logistics. You’re right that a good 7th inning guy won’t make an 80 win team win 100 games, but you can’t really expect to find somebody who can in the 5th round. And a good 7th inning guy could be the difference between 91 wins and 92.
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by OldProspects on Oct 18, 2025 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, that's the guy
he’s one of my favorite prospects. his delivery is going to make it really tough on RH batters the way he throws across his body. resilient type arm, i could see him as a 2 inning bridge guy late in the game, or coming in for a few innings early in the game if a starter has trouble.
i thought he was good value in the 5th round as a senior sign especially after the three expensive guys taken before him by KC.
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by doublestix on Oct 16, 2025 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Disco Hayes
still believe he’s a legit relief prospect -question is will the Royals give him a chance since he’s not toolsy
by ribman on Oct 16, 2025 9:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
well.theres that...and the fact that at 26 he was a league average pitcher in AAA
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by billybeingbilly on Oct 17, 2025 1:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
David Lough
should move up into the top 10. this guy is a comer
by thebroman on Oct 17, 2025 12:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I like him too
and I’m not sure why he doesn’t seem to be getting the same hype as other people. He looks like he can hit for solid power, steal some bases, and hit for a pretty nice average considering his strikeout rate. Granted he probably won’t ever be a star, but he looks like an above average OF who could be in the majors as soon as April
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by OldProspects on Oct 18, 2025 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Saw him play several times for Wilmington and he was really a solid player - good glove, bat, speed. Was the most impressive hitter on the team. Hadn’t heard of him before Wilmington came to town. I sort of followed him to NWA (at least looking at his stats). He really hit the ball in the Texas League, too. Certainly someone to keep your eyes on. He’ll be 24 in January.
by KSM on Oct 18, 2025 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
KC Grades
IMO, upside still are with bats in the Royal’s farm system. Hosmer, Moustakas and Davis are nice building blocks and the pitching is much improved as well. My rankings are based less on actual statistics and more on projectability, age v. level and talent.
That said, below are my top 5 Royal prospects.
1. Eric Hosmer - B+ Not concerned about first year in minor since reports of vision issues giving him a mulligan in my book; Stress patience with HS batters like Hosmer.
2. Mike Moustakas - B+ Nice TB in High A; Still young and getting positive reviews from Winterball. Stress patience with HS batters in general.
3. Kentrail Davis - B+ Nice college bat; will progress quickly through minors
4. Mike Montgomery - B+ Pitched well in both High & Low A. Not ready to crown him a #1 SP just yet.
5. Tim Melville - B / B+ Pitched well in Low A.
by bryeic on Oct 17, 2025 2:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
come on man...
something here is way off. ;-)
like way, way off.
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by doublestix on Oct 17, 2025 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
what's worse
the fact that Kentrail Davis is on the Brewers, or the fact that you think he’s a B+ prospect?
by another know it all on Oct 17, 2025 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Check
Re-check your info bryeic. Davis isnt with the Royals. No big deal. Simple mistake. I wish you were right. Id love to have Kentrail.
by bkmhoxx on Oct 17, 2025 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
im guessing this guy misunderstood a post on RR about NWROYAL's preseason prospect predictions...
that included them drafting davis….he also included stats predictions
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by billybeingbilly on Oct 17, 2025 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Still
Why even post if you don’t know a team’s best prospects? Not to mention that I think the list itself is flawed.
by killa on Oct 17, 2025 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hosmer sucks and is way overrated
The Royals look deep in pitching prospects though.
by johnnycomelately9 on Oct 23, 2025 5:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Moose and Hosmer
There’s no question that both took a step back this year. If you take Moustakas’ home/road splits though, he certainly was hurt by the home park at Wilmington. He still hit for pretty good power, performed well in the playoffs, and is now performing in the AFL. Also, his defense was pretty solid from all accounts too. He was an A to A- for me coming into the year, and I now think he’s an A- to B+.
The Royals continue to perplex me. Why oh why did they move Hosmer up to Wilmington mid-season. If it was confidence related, then i’m certainly unsure how moving him to Wilmington High-A would bolster it. He certainly was not prepared for it. From what i’ve read from reputable scouts/critics, he had vision problems and came back after the lasik surgery with better reviews. He’s still so young and the talent is there, so I’m not overly panicking. Still, I moved him down from B+ to B on my own list.
by MightyMoose on Oct 17, 2025 10:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Moose
is a crappy prospect, IMO.
Hosmer just needs a fresh start
What’s with Gutierrez? What’s the prognosis on him?
by METSMETSMETS on Oct 17, 2025 11:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Danny got traded, no?
To the Rangers, if I remember correctly?
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by OldProspects on Oct 18, 2025 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yep
The 2009 Texas Rangers offense: sigh...
by Kinslerhomer on Oct 18, 2025 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hosmer
Obviously, both Hosmer and Smoak have yet to even begin their MLB careers, but I never understood why the Royals would take Hosmer over Smoak. Unless Hosmer can actually hold down leftfield or rightfield at the MLB level, I don’t think his bat will ever be better than Smoak’s to such a degree that it overcomes the advantage Smoak has in polish.
When you draft a 1b in the first round, then you are obviously drafting him for his bat. To pass on a polished, near MLB ready 1b like Smoak, then the Royals must view Hosmer as having significantly higher upside. Frankly, I’m just not seeing it. It really just seems like an odd decision. Why take on the significantly longer development curve and the significantly higher development risk for a similar offensive ceiling?
If the Royals really wanted a 1b, then they probably would even have been better off with Yonder Alonso.
Still, Hosmer has a long way to go in his career and he could prove to be a very good pick. Even so, the underlying draft philosophy is unorthodox, to say the least.
by Lark11 on Oct 18, 2025 1:43 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
tough to say
It’s not like players drafted out of college are guaranteed locks to produce. Perhaps the Royals just thought that Hosmer’s upside was greater? It’s a perfectly defensible reason to choose Player A over Player B. And the relative polish of the player isn’t as big a deal as you seem to suggest it is . . .the projection on both players is “future major leaguer”. Teams don’t draft a guy for what he can do at 18 or 21, they draft him for what he’s going to be doing in his mid-to-late 20s.
Hosmer could be a corner outfielder in the major leagues, and probably a pretty good one. He’s a good athlete with a solid baseball IQ and an excellent arm.
by mrkupe on Oct 18, 2025 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What are your thoughts about Hosmer?
Obviously, he hasn’t done as well as anybody thought, but he still walked plenty and didn’t strike out too often for a power hitter. Power is, of course, the big question, and though his slugging percentage isn’t pretty, is 24 XBH in 280 AB disastrous? Considering he’s only 19 and what people expected of him before, I can’t say I’m fully as concerned as others
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by OldProspects on Oct 18, 2025 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm okay with him
I think the numbers were okay all things considered, not great obviously, but things to build on. Not very good against LHP but working on that is an adjustment for a lot of prep picks in their second year in full season ball. Hits the ball on the ground way too much, which is what destroyed his power numbers (and probably hurt his average/OBP as well). He still has the potential to be a true Seven Skill player and he showed signs of those skills in the Midwest League.
I’m more bullish on him than I am on Moustakas, who has really only had half of a good season to his name thus far, with a rather startling deterioration in plate discipline. I haven’t decided if I like Hosmer over Montgomery yet . . .Montgomery is pretty impressive, but he’s more raw than the numbers would have you believe at this point.
by mrkupe on Oct 18, 2025 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
“When you draft a 1b in the first round, then you are obviously drafting him for his bat. To pass on a polished, near MLB ready 1b like Smoak, then the Royals must view Hosmer as having significantly higher upside.”
they did. like, everybody did. a lot of folks were saying he was one of the best HS bats in the last 20 years to come out. so it really wasn’t silly at all.
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by doublestix on Oct 18, 2025 3:54 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
oops meant to reply
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by doublestix on Oct 18, 2025 3:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, that was always hyperbole
He wasn’t one of the “best” bats in the last 20 years . . .certainly a good one, but let’s not go overboard.
I’m not sure how all that got started other than Boras-related hype. There were some scouts who had really high grades on Hosmer, but there were also scouts that had him pegged as “merely” a guy who projected as a solid major league 1B. There wasn’t anything resembling a consensus on him.
by mrkupe on Oct 18, 2025 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's not really hyperbole
http://www.pgcrosschecker.com/2007/columnists/davidrawnsley/weeklycolumn/hosmer_special_hitter.aspx
That’s all part of evaluating 17 year old prospects and part of the risk factor. But for me, Hosmer compares favorably with just about any 17-year-old hitter I’ve seen develop in the United States over the last 20 years. He’s No. 1 on my 2008 high school prospect list.
so it wasn’t a consensus opinion, but i’m guessing at least a few people thought this.
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by doublestix on Oct 18, 2025 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think we're of the same mind here
I mentioned that there were people who had really high grades on Hosmer, and you posted the opinion of one of those people.
by mrkupe on Oct 18, 2025 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
awesome, guess i misinterpreted your post a bit
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by doublestix on Oct 18, 2025 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
interesting predictions of the team (& their prospects) by [url=“http://www.baseballthinkfactory.org/files/oracle/discussion/2010_zips_projections_kansas_city_royals/”]ZiPs[/url].
From that it shoes that Montgomery is heads above all other prospects MLB ready wise (& even should be in the rotation for 2010).Otherwise the suprises for ME are Parraz & Giavotella,who are rarely mentioned in the same breath as the Hosmer’s/Moustakases….
Moore has made some bad deals but also some nice development of players & the farm is now starting to produce some real viable options….
by frenchredsox on Oct 18, 2025 4:19 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i’d give them both a “b” grade
can’t see them getting worse than a b- based on potential, but can’t see them better than a b/b+ because of their down year.
by bk11 on Oct 18, 2025 11:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs








