Organization Discussion: Atlanta Braves
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Am I the only one who thinks J.J. Hoover should have made Baseball America's Top 20 for the Sally League?
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Hoover
The SAL was much too deep (IMO) for him to get serious consideration for BA’s top 20. Randall Delgado was the one who should have been included.
by jar75 on Oct 13, 2025 3:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
What is not too like?
He has an explosive fastball that has been clocked in the mid 90’s with a good slider. He needs to work on his changeup from what I have read but all signs point to him being a quick mover in 2010. He doesn’t walk anyone and gets plenty of strikeouts. Yeah, he was 22 in low A but assuming he gets to AA at the end of 2010 he would be right on track for an mlb debut prior to the age of 25 which is always a big plus.
by Braves1983 on Oct 13, 2025 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hoover
I haven’t seen him pitch since HS (he graduated the year after I did), so that could be shading my opinion a bit, but I just don’t think he has the kind of ceiling that others in the SAL have. He has a very good fastball, but I’m not sure about his secondary stuff.
I’m not trying to take anything away from him, but this is one of the strongest/deepest leagues in baseball this year. He’d have made my Carolina League top 20 if he happened to be these instead of the SAL.
by jar75 on Oct 13, 2025 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Delgado should have been top 10
Mid 90s fastball, 19 years old, lots of K’s and not top 20? I am not fond of these coaches lists’ anyway. They arent familiar with players backgrounds or profiles as much. They do actually get to see the players, so that counts for something.
by bravitos5122 on Oct 13, 2025 4:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
+1
yeah The Coaches go by off of too much what they see with their own 2 eyes and not actually #’s put up on box scores all the time…
Aaron Hicks #1 in the Midwest League?
I am a Twins fan And I don’t know if I agree with that…
Just because He looks like a specimen and has 5 tools, doesn’t mean he produced, because frankly,, Aaron Didn’t produce in 2009.
Deolis Guerra = Daniel Cabrera ?
I tend to think so
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Oct 13, 2025 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
BA has repeatedly said
that the rankings are more about potential than production
by krgrecw on Oct 13, 2025 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And Delgado being left off contradicts that
He has enormous potential. Its basically who looks best in the uniform, who is the best athlete, etc.
by bravitos5122 on Oct 13, 2025 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
chat?
you read the chat? they talk about Delgado and why he was left off.. said he was #21
by krgrecw on Oct 13, 2025 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If I could have ranked a 21st player, it would have been Randall Delgado. Managers and scouts love his explosive fastball, which some had up to 96 mph this year. The biggest question marks were about his secondary stuff and his command. He’s got excellent deception out of his high three-quarters arm slot, and a nice projectable frame. I can see why people would have expected him to make the list, especially considering he’s 19 years old.
by krgrecw on Oct 13, 2025 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Opening Day
He will be too good to leave off the roster. They wish they had started Hanson from the jump looking back on it. They Braves have said for awhile their goal is to win it all in 2010. They didnt have those kinds of expectations last year.
by bravitos5122 on Oct 13, 2025 4:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
John
The Braves Scouting Director has left the Braves to got to DC as potentially Ass’t GM.. Big loss for the Braves?
by krgrecw on Oct 13, 2025 4:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'd say so
Although maybe it’s a Mazzone scenario…just time for a change.
by royshowell on Oct 13, 2025 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Personal issues
His confidence in his abilities were down to around zero midseason and he was considering quitting baseball. Hopefully, he can overcome these mental aspects of the game and recognize that his stuff is pretty awesome.
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by bwellnjonesco on Oct 14, 2025 8:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sounds like he has a bad body
Prone to breaking down.
by royshowell on Oct 13, 2025 5:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Lots of lower level arms.
Teheran, Oberholtzer, Stovall (minus the walks), Rasmus, The Delgados, Spruill, DeVall, and Hoover, just to name a few. Minor looked pretty good, albeit against pretty crappy competition. Cory Gearrin and Craig Kimbrel look like a couple of great relief arms. Rohrbough was a disappointment, but he was pretty unlucky too.
Offensively, besides Heyward and Freeman, Adam Milligan had a nice year. Christian Bethancourt had an outstanding year, considering he just turned 18. Cody Johnson still strikes out too much.
by blindsided789 on Oct 13, 2025 6:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It appears that the Braves turned P- David Francis into a reliever
shoot -I thought I really liked him
btw, the Braves pitching is looking kinda weak, with Tommy Hanson graduating and all…
-outside of Zach Minor, Randal Delgado, Julio Teheran, Craig Kimbrel and maybe Brett DeVall
there isn’t much that catches my eye.
SP Kyle Cofield actually walked 89 batters this year and stuck out 87 - ouch
also how did left Scott Diamond finish with a 3.50 ERA? with those ugly peripherals..
Deolis Guerra = Daniel Cabrera ?
I tend to think so
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Oct 13, 2025 6:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
ahh yes
SP- J.J. Hoover looks REALLY good to me, forgot about him
Deolis Guerra = Daniel Cabrera ?
I tend to think so
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Oct 13, 2025 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Diamond
The funny thing is, he actually pitched better than that 3.50 ERA (3.46 FIP) What aside from his walk rate, which is a bit high, is especially crappy about him? I’m not saying he’s a great prospect, but he had a pretty good year.
by blindsided789 on Oct 13, 2025 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Diamond
I think Diamond could eventually turn into a fifth starter or lefty reliever out of the pen. There is certainly nothing wrong with developing those types of pitchers.
by Braves1983 on Oct 13, 2025 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We used to have....
Zach Minor on the team until we traded him. Now we have Mike Minor. Also you really must not have looked at our system. You overlooked Spruill and just about all of the good young pitching in Danville. Also I have three sleeper picks for next season for you:
Robinson Lopez, 18 - This kid consistantly throws 94-96, with a good change and a developing curve.
Carlos Perez, 17 - Although he may not have shown it this season, he’s going to be a very good LHP. His FB was consistantly 90-92 topping out at 94 with good movement, a good change and working on a slurve type pitch.
Andy Otero, 16 - Absolutely blew the DSL away, may even skip the GCL next season and start in Danville at 17. At 5’9" this kid is very agressive with his FB in the 91-92 range topping out at 93, he racks up a ton of Ks by going directly after hitters with excellent control and a very good change and a decent slider.
by Jay212033 on Oct 13, 2025 9:48 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
delgado
I also like Delgado quite a bit. . .better ceiling than Hoover, and I really like Hoover.
by John Sickels on Oct 13, 2025 8:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hoover
I’m very suprised they left him in Low-A the entire season out side of one spot start in High-A. I know they were working with him throwing his sinker more instead of trying to overpower everyone with his good 4 seamer. I saw him hit 97 a couple times in Rome but he mostly sat 91-93, his slider is hella good and his change is decent, he even threw his curve well the couple times I saw him. He a good looking prospect but I would like to see him against better comp. I wish he was in the AFL this year.
by Jay212033 on Oct 13, 2025 9:57 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
FB
Before the year, I heard that Hoover was in the 89-92 range. Did he add a few miles per hour this year?
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by OldProspects on Oct 14, 2025 3:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Their draft...
I was obviously underwhelmed.
Wrote the review here.
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by Andy Seiler on Oct 13, 2025 11:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Braves draft
lacked upside and top of the line potential, but I think Hefflinger, Rose, and Weaver add some decent depth to a system that could use it. Tyrelle Harris in the 19th was a good one… I, for one, thought he would go a lot higher.
by another know it all on Oct 14, 2025 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Roy Clark
Did us in before he left lol!
by Jay212033 on Oct 14, 2025 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't forget Spanjer-Furstenburg!
Yeah, he was 21 in rookie ball, but the dude hit the cover off the ball. Over .400 for much of the summer, and even after he started to fall back to earth he wound up with a .359/.411/.543 line in 263 PA. He might be a nice late-round surprise.
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by alexwithclass on Oct 14, 2025 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
RSF
Can he do it at higher levels though? Tons of guys have looked great in the Appy and horrible as soon as they move up one level so we’ll see.
by Jay212033 on Oct 14, 2025 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
a couple sleepers
Adam Milligan, OF
Robinson Lopez, P
and Christian Bethancourt is going to be legit.
by bkmhoxx on Oct 14, 2025 12:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Teheran
also in love with Teherans potential and how he is showing signs of putting it together.
by bkmhoxx on Oct 14, 2025 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The braves have enought pitchers to fill the 3-5 role and the bullpen… Outfield is a strength the think that gets me is our IF prospects… Outside of firstbase 2B,3B,C and SS all have no real high ceiling prospects… Somethin we need to adress expecially 3B
by jamanningusmc on Oct 14, 2025 2:21 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
We actually have a lot of good catching prospects with Bethancourt leading the way. But yeah second, third, and short are really shallow.
by acie4mvp on Oct 14, 2025 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What I think the Braves should, and could, do.
Send Javier Vazquez, Kris Medlin, Delgado or Hoover, and a non-pitching piece to the Blue Jays for a 1 year rental of Doc Halladay. Payroll diff: 4 mil.
Re-up with Ryan Church, giving him Chris Noron’s money. Diff: 0
Re-up with LaRoche on a 2 year deal, if he’ll take it, at something like 8 & 10, hope the Giants and Mets don’t outbid, and that LaRoche wants to stay for Bobby’s last year. ’10 diff: +1 mil.
Kawakami: his contract decreases by 1 mil this year anyway. -1 mil
GAnderson gone: -2.5 mil
McLouth gets a raise: +2.5 mil
Chipper and McCann get raises: +2 mil each (4 mil).
cut bait with Kelly Johnson. -2.85 mil
Total so far: +5.15 mil.
If we re-up with Hudson would need to be at under 12 mil this year, and probably would take a 4 year deal, backloaded a bit. If we did, we’d save something around 2 - 2.5 mil this year. And we could deal Kawakami to the Dodgers for a bullpen arm, maybe get a MiLB piece back too. They have a good park, a need for SP, good ties with Japanese pitchers, and loaded with bullpen pieces. Net diff: -8.667. We can then afford to risk arbitration with Soriano and Gonzalez. If the RP arm we bring back from the Dodgers is George Sherrill somehow, then we can let Soriano go, and reasonably expect to save around 2 mil after Sherrill’s arb case. Or, we could let Gonzalez go at a reasonably 0 diff. -10.667 or -8.667, with +5.15. Net: -5.5 to -3.5.
If we let Hudson walk, we get back 13 mil. -13 with +5.15, -7.85. We offer arb to Gonzalez, maybe to Soriano, maybe not.
We keep Infante as Util / 5th OF.
We find out if Orlando Hudson would accept a secondary role to take KJs spot on the bench. Reunite the O-Dog with Doc. Call it $4 mil. He’s a RH bat who can reliably lay down a bunt, fill in around the IF, and be a great team guy, do a lot of little things, makes the team much more flexible than with KJ.
Find a glove guy that can play SS and run and plays for near the minimum.
1) McLouth
2) Prado
3) Chip
4) McCann
5) Heyward
6) Yunel
7) LaRoche
8) Church / Diaz
SP1 - Halladay
SP2 - Lowe
SP3 - Hudson
SP4 - Jurrjens
SP5 - Hanson
RP - Gonzalez
RP - Sherrill
RP - Moylan
RP - ?
RP - ?
RP - ?
BN - Ross
BN - Orlando Hudson
BN - Infante
BN - Church/Diaz
BN - Barbaro Canizares
BN - Glove/Speed guy
Maybe we swap Canizares for a 12th pitcher.
But that’s a tough team, with nearly the same payroll.
by nevin on Oct 16, 2025 1:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
basically
We add a money in the Doc/Vazquez difference, and on raises to all the regulars.
We save it back by saving some on a new Tim Hudson deal, by replacing GAnderson with Heyward, by dealing Kawakami for Sherrill, by getting rid of Norton, and going cheap on the back end of the bullpen.
We give KJ’s money and arb award to Orlando Hudson.
Plan B, make the same Vazquez/Halladay deal, only let Hudson walk, and you have more money to spend on the bullpen.
If you go that route and feel good about Soriano’s shoulder for another year, you offer him arb and trust that nobody’s going to give up picks and offer him more than the 7-ish he’d get on a 1 year deal with us.
Pitching becomes:
SP1 – Halladay
SP2 – Lowe
SP3 – Jurrjens
SP4 – Hanson
SP5 – Kawakami
RP – Gonzalez
RP – Soriano
RP – Moylan
RP – ?
RP – ?
RP – ?
Or you don’t make the Vazquez deal, you keep Lowe, you re-sign Hudson to 10/12/14/12 and save 3 mil this year.
You still cut KJ, Norton and Soriano, and resign LaRoche and Church. You don’t sign O-Dog. Net: 8.95 savings, plus the 3 on Timmy, + 11.95. Offer Gonza arb, resign for 4. Kawakami to the pen.
SP1 – Vazquez
SP2 – Lowe
SP3 – Hudson
SP4 – Jurrjens
SP5 – Hanson
RP – Gonzalez
RP – Medlin
RP – Moylan
RP – Kawakami
RP – ?
RP – ?
And the remaining 8+ mil goes into other arb cases.
by nevin on Oct 16, 2025 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Halladay
Why in the world would they possibly do that?
Vazquez is a borderline ace and the slight upgrade from him to Halladay would do little to improve the team. The package is way too much. Medlen should be starting, but he’ll move in and be a key member of Atlanta’s bullpen. Delgado is a very good prospect with a high ceiling. That move has the potential to look just as bad as the Teixeira deal does now.
Trading Vazquez may be the right move, due to their depth, but you certainly don’t trade him for a different rental starter.
by jar75 on Oct 16, 2025 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
To me
there’s a big difference between Vazquez and Halladay.
Vazquez just had a career year, and I don’t mean to disparage him, he’s excellent, but he’s not likely to be this good again in 2010. Halladay, meanwhile, is a beast, who’s been putting up Cy Young years in the AL East. He could make child’s play of the NL.
They’re likely going to lose Vazquez next year, and swapping him out for Halladay doesn’t change that. For either one, we’re likely to get 2 pciks in compensation. I like Medlin, too, though I’m not sure he really can be an MLB starter. I think his future is as a setup man or even a closer. And precisely because he’s good and valuable is why he’d be a key in getting one of the 5 best starters in baseball to the Braves. I like Delgado too, I’ve seen him. But we’re locked into Lowe for three more years, Jurrjens for at least 4, Hanson for at least 6. My strategy above is predicated on either staying in Kawakami for 2 more, or Hudson for 4 more. There are going to be scant few openings in the rotation, and we have some other guys coming along.
I think a guy you’re not going to keep, two nice pieces at least one of whom you’re reasonably sure isn’t going to be a star, and a potenital Nobody, in exchange for a chance to win it all and 2 prospects, is a solid strategy.
I don’t fault the Teixeira trade. They had a chance to win it all and they took that chance, even though they had to give up a good bit to do it. Andrus is a nice player, but we weren’t going to have a spot for him, so use him to try to win it all by getting Teixeira. Feliz looks like a monster, but with us, he was a skinny teenager with gas. Potential, sure, but could just as easily flame out, and you don’t like something like that keep you from dealing for a true star when you’re trying to win now, not rebuild. Salty was probably at his all-time-high in value. Harrison is a replacable mid-level starter. We got back Kotchman and Kimbrel, and flipped Kotchman for LaRoche. So we did get more than just 18 months of Teixeira.
As good as Delgado and Hoover are, and as much as you can never have too many arms, we do have alot of guys between Rome and Mississippi (Devall, Spruill, Hoover, Delgado, Rohrbough, Teheran, Stovall, Mike Minor).
I think it doesn’t mortgage the future, and gives us a rotation that could win 100+ games if we could muster the same offense as we had this year, from a group of players for whom there’s every reason to believe that’s possible.
by nevin on Oct 16, 2025 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why would Toronto want Vazquez? He didn’t pitch well in the American League, and he only has one year left on his contact. I think the Blue Jays ONLY want young players to build around for Doc.
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by bwellnjonesco on Oct 19, 2025 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think Vazquez is the key to the deal
Vazquez gives them back a high end starter who can replace Halladay in their rotation right now and perform somewhere between “well” and “awesome”. He’s pitched 1 year for the Yankees and 3 for the White Sox, he was disappointing with the Yankees but not terrible. He had an ERA+ of 92, making him 8 percent below average, and he had the worst K rate of his career that year. With the White Sox, he had two pedestrian years— in possibly the best hitters park the AL— and a fantastic year (ERA+ of 127), while in all thre maintaining a K/9 rate right at 1.
But again, I’m not viewing Vazquez as the key to the deal. We’d be giving them Medlin, their choice of one of our best young live arms, another player, AND Vazquez. So they’d get 3 solid young players, two of them arms; they’d save 4 million next year on the difference between Vazquez’s and Halladay’s contracts; they still get a high-end SP who can pitch for them at the front of the rotation, so they don’t have to replace Halladay with a re-tread or a noobie.
I don’t know whether Toronto would make the deal; but I think its better than what most teams can offer them this year. Boston’s not going to give up Buchholz or Lester, or Bowden or Tazawa, for a 1 year rental. They have more holes opening in their rotation after next year that they need to save those guys for. Atlanta does not. Halladay can nix any deal to a non-contender as a 5/10 guy, full veto power, and wants to go somewhere he can win, immediately. Realistically, I think there are 10 teams that fit that bill for next year: Dodgers, Rockies, Giants, Braves, Phillies, Marlins, Yankees, Red Sox, Rays and Cardinals. (I don’t think any other team in the central is really well positioned to be considered a higer percentage challenger for the title. Maybe the Diamondbacks out west but they seem like they still have holes on the field and in the lineup). Giants don’t need another front-line SP. And of those other 9 teams, I think the Braves can put together the best package, without hurting themselves in the long term, because they are locked in to known costs on most of their rotation for the next several years and have a bevvy of young comers to fill in behind. They can afford to spend a couple of them to get one of the best 5 SPs in the game on a reasonable $15 mil 1 year deal, especially one who will give them back 2 draft picks as compensation (or more if they wind up falling out next year and need to move him).
At least, that’s my thinking on the move. They still need to shore up the offense, mainly by getting rid of Garrett Anderson and Francoeur, resigning or replacing Adam LaRoche, keeping McCann and Chipper fresh, making the bench a bit better by getting rid of Norton and getting a full year out of Infante. But I think all these things are do-able, that we match up best to get Halladay, and that we could have an amazing, special year.
by nevin on Oct 20, 2025 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Vazquez is not the key, then keep him
and use those valuable future pieces to upgrade your offense.
Wouldn’t you agree thath the Braves need a power right-handed bat more than they need a single year of Halladay minus Vazquez.
Use those valuable trade chips for that more important need.
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