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Thinking about Chris Carter of Oakland

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Chris Carter was drafted in the 15th round by the White Sox out of high school in Las Vegas in 2005. He hit .286/.350/.485 with 10 homers for Bristol in the Appy League in 2005 after signing. His defense at third base drew very mixed reviews, many projecting a move to first base eventually, and his plate discipline was shaky. I gave him a Grade C in the 2006 book, noting his power potential but that he had work to do.

Promoted to Great Falls in the Pioneer League in 2006, Carter hit .299/.398/.570. A brief trial in the Sally League went poorly due to excessive strikeouts, but he looked good in the Pioneer, doubling his walk rate compared to 2005. I raised him to Grade C+, noting his long-term power potential but being concerned about his batting average against better pitching. He was a first baseman by the end of this season.

Carter hit .291/.333/.532 with 25 homers, 67 walks, and 112 strikeouts in 467 at-bats for Kannapolis in the Sally League in 2007. As you know, he was traded to Arizona then on to Oakland over the winter. I gave him a Grade B+ in the 2008 book, due to the rapid improvement in his strike zone judgment.

2008 has been interesting. Carter hit .259/.361/.569 with 39 homers, 77 walks, and 156 strikeouts in 506 at-bats for Stockton in the California League. HIs strikeout rate shot way up compared to 2007, but he maintained a high walk rate, and obviously the power production is impressive. I'd still maintain him as a B+/B prospect heading into the off-season, but there are some issues here we need to examine.

First, at age 21 Carter is still quite young. He has "old player's skills"...power, plate discipline, high strikeouts, and players like that often peak early and then fade. But even accounting for that, he is likely 3-4 years away from his skill peak.

Two, defense. This looks like it is a big problem. Carter got in 41 games at third base this year, fielding .837 with a 1.88 range factor, obviously unacceptable. At first base he posted a .974 fielding percentage and made 10 errors in 40 games. In the outfield he got into 14 games in right field, with a .909 fielding percentage and a 0.71 range factor. If this doesn't spell born DH I don't know what does.

Third, strikeouts. I am not overly paranoid about strikeouts, especially if the player in question also draws walks. But 156 in 137 games is excessive, and at this point I have to very much wonder how much contact he will make against better pitching. The caveat here is that Carter HAS shown the ability to make adjustments before, developing much better place discipline at higher levels than he showed in rookie ball. And given his youth, I am reasonably confident in his ability to adjust.

All told, Carter is highly intiguing and one of the best power hitters in the minors. But I want to see what he does in Double-A before going higher than B+, and even a B+ assumes he will adjust and hit enough to be a DH in the majors. You can make a good case that he should be a plain B.

 

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With the apparent drop in power in the AL, does this make Carter a better prospect?

by faketeams on Sep 4, 2025 4:02 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

So you dont see Carter ending up at 1st?

Granted he isn’t a great first basemen, but I think he could probably still stick there if he works on it a big. With Cust (the Athletics best hitter) probably replacing Frank Thomas as DH next year, where else could he fit? Doolittle could even fill in the spot at 1st.

by soccerman0 on Sep 4, 2025 4:40 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Daric Barton?

Are you writing him off already? He still is only 22 right? I know he has had a tough year but there have been some injuries and he is showing signs of improvement.

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by BStal11 on Sep 4, 2025 4:42 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think some time in AAA would do him some good

To be honest, I think he is fairly expendable at this point unless he starts hitting (for power especially). He will have ample time to prove himself as Carter and Doolittle are at least a year away.

by soccerman0 on Sep 4, 2025 4:50 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Seen what he's doing lately?

Barton, I mean?

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by doublestix on Sep 4, 2025 9:20 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

His current hot streak...

..does not make up for his .339 slugging percentage on the year.

by soccerman0 on Sep 4, 2025 9:50 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Response

“His current hot streak… ..does not make up for his .339 slugging percentage on the year.”

HE IS 22.

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by hero66 on Sep 4, 2025 11:49 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I would agree...

But he’s a young player (22) that will likely get better and is showing improvement. He was stinging the ball the entire series that I just watched.

My comment was more in response to you saying he needs more AAA time. I disagree…he just needs time to adjust. Contrary to popular belief, it does take time for most prospects to adjust to the MLB…

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by doublestix on Sep 5, 2025 12:00 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I know that prospects take time....

…and that this kid is still young, but do you ever really think he will consistently hit for the kind of power that could hold him at 1B for a MLB team? He’s been in pro ball for 6 years now, and is 23 (not 22). I personally just don’t see it happening moving forward unless something changes drastically. He has always has a great batting eye, and a good contact bat, and I expect those tools to start to show up in the majors soon, just no power.

by soccerman0 on Sep 5, 2025 2:06 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The point is...

… that Barton does not have much left to prove at AAA. His minor league performances point to an above average league hitter, something he has clearly not been this year. He is clearly struggling to adjust to major league hitting, but I would argue that he has nothing more to prove in AAA, and needs to continue to face major league pitching to improve. The A’s are terrible at the moment and so it is in their best interests to give Barton the at bats, than to waste them on guys like Mike Sweeney.

by DeJay on Sep 5, 2025 4:48 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I still think Barton can be a poor man's Olerud

And that’s being a bit conservative. Will he ever be as good? I guess not, but I think he can get close. He’s had some pretty bad luck and some injuries this year, and if not for those I think he would’ve come close to Olerud’s age 22 season, and Olerud did that in a very hitter-friendly environment whereas Barton is hitting in a black hole for offense.

by thejd44 on Sep 5, 2025 3:34 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I thought

he only hits in a Black Hole from August onward.

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by PaulThomas on Sep 5, 2025 5:23 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Carter is meh.....

I am not the biggest fan of this guy. Sure he has shown lots of power but he is doing it in a HUGE hitter’s park in a league where he is age appropriate. Not only that, I highly doubt that he will ever hit for a decent average due to his propensity to strike out. For him to make a career at DH, and he will have to do that judging by his terrible glove, he needs to work on making better contact and not becoming the second version of Rob Deer at the plate. I wish Oakland would focus on drafting higher upside hitters and stop bringing in guys who are the next Jack Cust. For the A’s to get to the next level they really need to develop some all around impact hitters, and that is something they have been unable to do over the past 5 seasons. Luckily, what Beane has been lacking in recent years in developing hitters, he has made up for in his ability to find great pitching talent.

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by King Billy Royal on Sep 4, 2025 4:53 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

IMO Carter is not a Rob Deer type hitter...

…because of his high walk rate. I see him as a Adam Dunn type of hitter.

by soccerman0 on Sep 4, 2025 4:58 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ummmm

Rob Deer walked an average of 81 times per 162 games. That is VERY in line with what Carter has done. In 4 seasons in the minors he has walked 200 times in 410 games.

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by King Billy Royal on Sep 4, 2025 5:01 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Whoops

I never noticed that he never managed to play even close to a full season which is why all of his walk totals are so low. I still see him as a Adam Dunn type of guy, with a .900 OPs, and ton of walks, HR, and SO while playing sub par D.

by soccerman0 on Sep 4, 2025 5:05 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And

Dunn hit for a much better average in the minors then Carter. His career minor league average is .304 and he struck out 270 times in 1208 at bats which is very low for Dunn. I think Carter fans WANT him to be Adam Dunn but so far that is not the way it is looking his career will go. Also, by the time Dunn was 21 he just finished mashing AA/AAA to a line of 32 homers with a .334 average in only 350 at bats. Carter is by no means the next Adam Dunn.

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by King Billy Royal on Sep 4, 2025 5:05 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

All I am saying

Is that his ceiling is Dunn at this point, and that is a pretty solid ceiling.

by soccerman0 on Sep 4, 2025 5:07 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Realistic Upside

That is like saying my ‘upside’ is Brad Pitts face, with Einstein’s brain, and Ron Jeremy’s unit.

It is nice to dream, but that ceiling isn’t going to happen.

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by King Billy Royal on Sep 4, 2025 5:20 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I dont think its unrealistic...

They have similar tools sets, and the kid is still just just 21 years old. He already has massive power potential, and the ability to draw a walk….why don’t you think he can cut down his K’s with some work in AA? Do I think he is a A- prospect? No. He’s probably a B in my book, but hes still got great potential and a rather high ceiling.

P.S.- I understand that alot of people will overate him due to the fact that he hit 39 HR this year. I also know that you are underrating his performance saying its all CAL league; the dude had a .900+ OPS in A ball last year as well along with a BB/SO ratio that was 10 percent better than this years.

by soccerman0 on Sep 4, 2025 5:33 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I dont

understand how you can say that Chris Carter will never be an Adam Dunn type player. First off, its fairly obvious that Dunn became a different type of hitter once he reached the big leagues. His K rates in the minors were actually not too bad, then he started hitting in the big leagues and there was a pretty substantial change. This could be from any number of things, even just hitting against better pitchers, but there was a big change regardless. Secondly if you take a look at some analysis of Carters season, he’s been a bit unlucky this year and most say he should actually be hitting closer to .280. Not a great batting average, but more in line with the .291 he hit last season. Obviously there is problems with the K’s, but he’s got plenty of time to work on that, and its not like he’s not taking any walks. I think the guy knows how to hit, and will be a better major leaguer then you are giving him credit for.

by JPShark on Sep 4, 2025 6:41 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Who says he should be hitting .289?

Can you explain/list which scouts/experts are stating that a guy with his enormous strikeout totals are saying he should be hitting closer to .280? I am anxious to hear why a legit talent evaluator would make such a claim and would like to understand the reasoning behind their assessment. Generally, when you K that much you deserve a bad average. Stating he is going to be a hitter similar to Rob Deer is not meant as an insult, just a realistic comparison.

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by King Billy Royal on Sep 4, 2025 6:50 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Correction

Should read “Who says he should be hitting .280?”

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by King Billy Royal on Sep 4, 2025 6:55 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I read

an article by Susan Slusser who is a writer for the SF Chronicle newspaper (probably in mid august). She was doing some of her normal major league writing, and along the way some of the A’s top prospects were reported on as well. I’ll try to find the article, and dont remember every detail but I specifically remember her stating that Carter was having a great season, and probably better then what his stats actually show. She said that after talking with scouts and analysts it looked as though Carters lower batting average ( I remember it being in the low .250’s at the time) was partially due to some bad luck. That he had made many outs on hard hit balls and by using some of the “more advanced” hitting stats he could easily be hitting 20-30 points higher. I also read where a fan asked Rob Neyer a question about Carters power, but lowish avg and K rate and Neyer also said that Carters AVG. doesn’t do him justice from the way he had heard Carter was htting the ball. All of that aside, I myself have seen over 30 of Carters games this season. His HR’s are very rarely cheapies because of where he plays, in fact a good portion of his HR’s are to Center and leave the park by quite a bit. I’ve also noticed, and even before reading the two topics I talked about above, that he frequently hits the ball very hard right at people. I can think of one particular game where he went 0-4 with 1 line drive that the CF’r caught right at the fence, along with another line drive caught by the right fielder in the gap and one caught on a diving play by the 3rd baseman. It just seems that along with his horrible K rate, he has also been a bit unlucky. I’m not trying to disagree with the fact that Carter needs to work on cutting down the K’s. I’m also not trying to say that Carter will be a .300 hitting in the majors. I’m simply saying that the guy is a better hitter then you give him credit for. Unfortunately we will have to wait a couple years to see how all of this translates into the big leagues.

by JPShark on Sep 4, 2025 7:40 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think I am being very accurate....

His BABIP is around .296 which isn’t low by any means. Last year, he actually benefitted from a high BABIP of .336 so that would lead me to believe his 2007 average was more a product of luck then his 2008 average is a product of bad luck. Sure he may hit the ball hard, but the problem is he doesn’t hit the ball enough. More advanced pitchers will likely continue to show the flaws in his games. Until he cuts down on his k’s I see no reason to announce him as anything more then the A’s replacement to Jack Cust. He is in a hitters park, in a hitters league, and to date he has shown himself to be a typical A’s high power, decent walks, high k’s hitter. There is nothing wrong with that but I wish Billy would start focusing on higher upside hitters and not the same bunch of 3 outcome hitters he loves to focus on. Watching the A’s offense this year has been truly depressing and I would love to see them have one hitter I can get excited about.

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by King Billy Royal on Sep 4, 2025 8:01 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

296

Is quite low for his level; he’s been around 330 BABIP the other two years of his career (when he hit 290).

If you go to minorleaguesplits.com, and utilize their ‘luck’ modifier, which mostly adjusts a hitter’s BABIP closer to the league average, his average shoots up in the 280-90 territory.

by gogotabata on Sep 4, 2025 9:19 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

To be fair, the A's don't have a ton of 3 true outcome hitters this year

They just have a bunch of crappy baseball players. Two of their best hitters, Sweeney and Suzuki, aren’t 3 true outcome guys. Guys like Crosby, Hannahan, Emil Brown, etc. don’t deserve to play in the majors on an everyday basis (or at all). It’s more patchwork than anything else at this point.

by thejd44 on Sep 5, 2025 12:54 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well, it's official

I now have a new signature.

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by drjayphd on Sep 5, 2025 3:34 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

THANKS

Glad I could be of inspiration!!!!!

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by King Billy Royal on Sep 5, 2025 3:37 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

+1

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by doublestix on Sep 4, 2025 6:20 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Rob Deer was a pretty solid offensive player

In an era when his skills were totally and disgustingly underappreciated. If Carter could put up a handful of seasons like Deer’s Age 25-26 seasons, the A’s would be very happy with that.

by thejd44 on Sep 4, 2025 6:14 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Agreed

I am not badmouthing Rob Deer and he did have good value as an OF with his strong arm. However, as a DH, Deers value would have been much lower.

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by King Billy Royal on Sep 4, 2025 6:16 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't recall Deer defensively; he played when I was young

I think if Carter can become an adequate third baseman, he’ll be a very useful major leaguer. He might not be a superstar, but he’ll be a nice piece to the Oakland puzzle. And there’s nothing wrong with that.

King Billy, this isn’t directed at you specifically, but more of a general statement: Sometimes I feel like people are too all or nothing with a prospect. If he doesn’t project to the next ARod, he’s a bust. With the amazing rate of failure in the minor leagues, having a guy who simply makes it and can be a productive major league hitter is a victory. I think Carter can be one of those victories, and anything else is bonus.

by thejd44 on Sep 5, 2025 12:50 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

My point...

That is why I am stating he can be Rob Deer. Rob Deer had a very nice career and if Carter could do that, he would no means be a bust.

I think the problem is that people set player’s expectations too high when there is no evidence to support the position (i.e. the Dunn comparison). Teams fans tend to throw on a projection that they WANT to happen but that is not based on any historical context or accurate scouting reports. I don’t know how many times I have heard some small, hard thrower with a great fastball compared to Pedro, or a smart pitcher compared to Maddux. People need to look at the realistic upside, and not what they wish will happen.

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by King Billy Royal on Sep 5, 2025 9:39 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Please tell me again how a Dunn comp...

…is unrealistic? The tool set he showcased this year (high walk rate, high SO rate, big time power) are extremely similar to the tool set Dunn has showcased through his time in the majors. As has been stated above, Carter will probably hit in the .270-290, with perhaps an even better BB/SO ratio while posting those power numbers. Now the difference between Dunn and Deer aren’t staggering. 27 batting points (.220 vs .247), and about 80 slugging points. I would that, as it has been seen in the past, Carter will bat in the .280-.290 area with a high walk rate and a high SO rate (although perhaps not as bad as Dunn or Deer), with 25-30 HR power. Is that unrealistic at this point? I don’t think so.

by soccerman0 on Sep 5, 2025 1:18 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

WHY IS HE HITTING .270-.290?

Look, the guy strikes out a tonne. How many guys who are going to strike out 160+ times are hitting .290 in the majors? Dunn actually hit for HIGHER average and LESS k’s then Carter in the minors while playing at a more age advanced level. Evidence suggests that Carter will hit for power, but A’s fans are dreaming if they think he can maintain an average that high. I may add that the difference between Dunn and Deer is actually much greater when you account for OBP. Dunn walks more then Carter has shown to date while Deer had almost the exact same discipline as Carter.

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by King Billy Royal on Sep 5, 2025 1:30 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Why do I think he will hit for a higher average?

But when you take away the luck factor, thats exactly what he should have done this year. And thats also what he has done in previous years, while showing a SO/BB ratio better than this year with similar power. After next year, it should be easier to tell which direction he is going.

by soccerman0 on Sep 5, 2025 4:20 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Luck factor

A .296 BABIP is right around what one expects from a hitter. It may be ‘slightly’ low but it does not make up for a .030 jump in average especially considering he already benefitted from a great hitters park. Guys who strike out 150 times in 130 games usually are going to hit for bad average, especially when they don’t have the speed to beat out infield hits. Thinking otherwise ignores all evidence. Why can’t people just admit that his likely outcome is a low average, good power, DH?

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by King Billy Royal on Sep 5, 2025 4:37 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You would expect a much better than .296 BABIP from a slugger

David Ortiz is no one’s idea of a speedster and hits into the shift to boot, and his career BABIP is .311. Jack Cust’s career BABIP is .340. Ryan Howard’s is .332.

Most guys who consistently post BABIPs above league average are power hitters, not Ichiro-type speedsters. The current leaderboard goes Bradley, C. Jones, Manny, Berkman, Holliday, Fred Lewis, Kemp, Nady, Pujols, Hawpe. There are a few outliers having fluke seasons (hello, Fred Lewis) but most of those guys are mashers.

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by PaulThomas on Sep 5, 2025 5:48 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Big difference

The majority of guys you mentioned are all around hitters who focus on line drives and make consistent hard contact. Bradley, Manny, Chipper, Pujuls, Berkman, and Kemp aren’t all or nothing swingers like a hitter such as Carter or Cust. Jack Custs and Howard’s high BABIP with their low averages only reaffirms my belief that Carter won’t hit for average. They just don’t make contact enough to hit for a respectable average.

For example, lets say Carter strikes out 150 times in 500 at bats (very realistic based on this years totals) with 30 HR. Lets say he is amazingly able to hit .320 BABIP in the remaining at bats. That would mean he would gain 102 hits in 320 at bats plus the 30 HR. If you project that average over the full 500 at bats it leaves him with a mediocre .262 average. If he isn’t able to hit with the high BABIP then his average will slump even lower. Lets enjoy Carter for the 3 true outcome slugger that he is and not place unreal expectations on him.

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by King Billy Royal on Sep 5, 2025 7:04 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

My take on this debate:

KBR is basically right. It would be very surprising if he hit for a good average with so many Ks. Guys need to demonstrate great babip skill over a longish period of time for me to believe they will overcome that, as far as babip is concerned. Carter hits everything in the air, so you wouldn’t expect a great babip anyway. He also is unlikely to walk as much as Dunn.

However, I’d put him at somewhere between .230/.320/.450 and .270/.370/.550 in his age 24-30 years, which I am excited about on the offensive side, though his lack of position is a big problem. I think there’s also a decent chance that the BBs will go away, and he’ll wind up like Marcus Thames, which is not the worst thing in the world, but…

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by mikeA on Sep 5, 2025 7:48 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

and while we're throwing out comps

I think Richie Sexson is a good, both in numbers, and, although I’ve only seen 30 seconds of BP footage of Carter, they’re both big and tall, and I can imagine them having similarly powerful, but too long swings.

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by mikeA on Sep 5, 2025 7:57 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't think a .320 BABIP is amazing at all

As I said, I think it’s basically par for the course for that type of hitter.

A .260 average is about what I would expect from Carter, yes. I wouldn’t call it “mediocre,” unless you’re using the word to mean “average.” I know saying that someone has an average average sounds foolish, but…

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by PaulThomas on Sep 6, 2025 12:50 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Some people do use mediocre to mean average

Which is frustrating because eventually it’s actually going to mean that when it’s very distinictly a different word that means below-average.

by thejd44 on Sep 6, 2025 1:49 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ummmm

.268 is the league average, not .260. That number is actually lower then it should be since it includes the pitcher’s averages in interleague play. So .260 is actually BELOW average. Taking that into context of what one would expect from their DH, it is definitely not what you want.

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by King Billy Royal on Sep 6, 2025 2:04 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm not entirely following your point

Are you saying that Chris Carter will be without value, or a good hitter, but not an Albert Pujols hitter, or a poor man’s Adam Dunn? Because you seem to jump around a bit, though I think I’m just not understanding you correctly.

Instinctively, from your own comments, Adam Dunn or Jack Cust seem like reasonable comps. You said Chris Carter would be a .260 hitter with 30+ homer power and plenty of walks. Dunn has a .248 career batting average, tends to hit 40 HRs with 100+ walks, so that might be what you think is Carter’s ceiling. Jack Cust’s .237 career batting average, with probably 30+ HR power if he played a full season, and 100+ walks may be closer to a reasonable expectation for Carter, per your projections.

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by OldProspects on Sep 7, 2025 11:04 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I am saying he will be Jack Cust or Rob Deer

I don’t see Carter having Dunn’s level of power or ability based on Dunn’s much better level of production in the minors against better competition at a younger age. Cust and Deer seem to me to be the reasonable comparables for a guy like Carter. One of my posts details how similar Carter appears to be to Deer, right down to the identical walk rate.

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by King Billy Royal on Sep 7, 2025 11:16 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

How about this question:

Which would you rather see in a young player - very good contact skills? OR very good power and patience?

I think its easily power and patience. Carter is plus plus there and that makes him a very exciting prospect to me. I still say his ceiling is higher than Dunn, though I dont give him a great chance of hitting it.

by alskor on Sep 7, 2025 12:31 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And before anyone

points out that its a two for one here - power and patience go hand in hand. They correlate very well. They are not independent of each other.

by alskor on Sep 7, 2025 12:32 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

carter made adjustments

in june/july he hit well over .300, but his walk rate went down.

aug he had his best powwer month, but the avg returned to the .260 range

post ASB, hit almost .280 which isnt horrible

the k’s are an issue, but he did adjust over the season to improve the avg

by Asfan4ever723 on Sep 7, 2025 2:33 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Question

Power and patience do not always go hand in hand. Sometimes, patience and contact go hand in hand (see Wade Boggs). Personally I would rather see a player hit for good power yet not strike out 150+ times in 130 games or at least maintain a good average.

I think power hitters tend to have more value but I would rather have a contact hitter like Revere over a power hitter like Carter any day of the week.

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-Jonathan Swift

by King Billy Royal on Sep 7, 2025 2:52 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

A lot of times these comparisons are "best case scenario" situations

Could Carter develop into the next Adam Dunn? Possible. It’s not an insane thought (like saying Cliff Pennington could develop into Adam Dunn or something like that). But it’s silly to project based on the best comp available. This is where I agree. I think a guy like Deer is a better place to set expectations, not just from a scouting standpoint but from the standpoint of a fan. I’m as optimistic as the next guy, and I really like Carter, but I’m doing myself a disservice as a fan to make out every minor leaguer to be a future All-Star.

by thejd44 on Sep 5, 2025 3:37 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

+1

"When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are all in confederacy against him."
-Jonathan Swift

by King Billy Royal on Sep 5, 2025 7:04 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well, we'll see...

they certainly haven’t been drafting like they are trying to find “the next Jack Cust.”

Look at the guys they’ve taken the past few years. Pennington (contact-hitting, defensive middle infielder), Sulentic (contact-hitting outfielder), Mitchell (contact-hitting defensive outfielder), Doolittle (contact-hitting, defensive first baseman, or at least that’s what everyone thought at the time… perhaps wrongly…), Corey Brown (five-tool guy), Josh Horton (contact-hitting middle infielder), Grant Desme (five-tool guy, in theory), Jemile Weeks (contact-hitting middle infielder), Petey Paramore (contact-hitting catcher), Jason Christian (contact-hitting middle infielder), Rashun Dixon (five-tool guy), Nino Leyja (contact-hitting middle infielder), Chris Berroa (contact-hitting defensive outfielder), Tyreace House (contact-hitting defensive outfielder), Dustin Coleman (contact-hitting middle infielder)… do I need to go on here? I see a lot more evidence that they’re trying to develop the next Luis Castillo than the next Jack Cust.

That’s not to say you can’t have problems with that approach, or for that matter with the players they picked in the context of that approach, just that you’re mischaracterizing the approach.

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by PaulThomas on Sep 5, 2025 5:39 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

re

I don’t understand why they just let him play 3b as moving him between 1b/3b/lf/rf will only hurt his development. He has publicly said he prefers and feels most comfortable at 3b, so for the sake of his tremendous bat, why not let him be comfortable? It always amazes me when clubs move around players at multiple positions when they are so young, only to see the confusion affect offense as well. If he can’t play 3b but his bat continues along the same path then you just let him DH in the Bigs, if his bat doesn’t pan out, it really doesn’t matter where he plays then anyways.

Plus its not like 3b is a premium defensive position like SS/2b/CF. Even if he just gradually improves at 3b and become even a slighty below ave defender, he is still plus for the position if he can hit 35 homers.

I say let him play 3b for now, its where he wants to be, and for the sake of the development of the bat

by ScottAZ on Sep 4, 2025 4:55 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He has a sweet stache.

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by nikpin on Sep 4, 2025 5:05 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

+1

He should be in Boyz 2 Men.

"When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are all in confederacy against him."
-Jonathan Swift

by King Billy Royal on Sep 4, 2025 5:07 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Pat Burrell

How’s that for a comparison? Close, not close? What?

Never, Never, NEVER give up

by hero66 on Sep 4, 2025 11:51 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

carter hit 2nd hr of postseason

he gave stockton a 7-6 lead…but also has k’d 2 times

by Asfan4ever723 on Sep 5, 2025 1:04 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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