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Sunday Discussion Question: Angel Villalona

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One of the more difficult players to analyze right now is Giants first base prospect Angel Villalona. He's got two huge strengths: enormous raw power, and age-relative-to-league, since he was just 17 for most of last year in full season ball (assuming that his listed age is correct). He also has a huge weakness: his strike zone judgment is awful. He also lacks speed and will have to work hard to maintain his physical condition.

So, how do we balance this out? Is his youth more important than the awful strike zone judgment? I gave him a Grade B in the book, a compromise between Grade A potential and Grade C refinement. What is your take on Villalona, and how do you see his career developing?

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118 K's in 462 at bats isn't horrid

So he has a knack for getting the bat on the ball as a 17 year old in Low-A ball. If Villalona is like most teenagers he doesn’t realize there are certain things he just can’t do, so he probably thinks he can hit any pitch every pitcher throws his way. It doesn’t matter if the pitch is a foot outside.

Poor plate discipline has turned better athletes than Villalona into career minor leaguers/fringe MLB back-ups. I think there’s time for him to learn how to read the spin on the ball and identify which pitches he should lay-off. Two things are key.

First, the Giants need to emphasize to Villalona the importance of bettering his strike zone judgement. The easiest way to do that is to send him back to Augusta and, in short, tell him to do better. He’s 18 years old, he’s still well ahead of the curve and if he spends another half-season in Low-A ball its not the end of the world. I worry that promoting Villalona to High-A would be seen as a reward for his unimpressive performance in 2008 and that would merely reinforce to him that his way of doing things is best. He’s 18, he already thinks he knows everything! He needs a dose of reality.

Which leads to the second key point. Villalona needs to understand that he needs to get better. He needs to work on his plate discipline because that is his ticket to becoming a big leaguer. If he’s willing to put in the work (and I don’t recall reading anything that suggests his attitude is a problem… aside from being a teenager, of course) then he has talent to go all the way.

A B-grade is appropriate at this point. He’s got a long way to go but he has the tools to get there.

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by grover on Mar 15, 2026 12:03 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

+1

Excellent comment.

From what I have read, the issue with Villalona is going to be his motivation to be excellent. So far he hasn’t shown it.

I’d like to see the Giants hire a coach who has personal responsibility for teaching Villalona how to be a professional. He’s worth the investment.

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by 3Com Park on Mar 15, 2026 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What?
From what I have read, the issue with Villalona is going to be his motivation to be excellent. So far he hasn’t shown it.

Where have you heard that? From BA:

He lost almost 40 pounds from spring training to the end of the season and coaches praised his dedication to getting in baseball shape.

That sounds like he’s pretty motivated.

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by marcello on Mar 15, 2026 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, so people are going off of year old scouting reports. I’ll take current, thanks.

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by marcello on Mar 15, 2026 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I dont know why I should throw out a few years of scouting reports about bad habits in favor of one report from this season that in your opinion “sounds like he’s pretty motivated.” In my mind its still an open question for now, though i’ll put the weight loss in the positive data column.

Lets see what he does this year. Frankly, I care less about his weight (because he’s ending up at 1B anyway - the fanboy pipe dream of 3B is dead) and much more about his awful strike zone judgment.

by alskor on Mar 16, 2026 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You call it bad habits

I call it a 16 year old boy in a developing country where it is a good thing to be able to eat.

He has said from the beginning that he wants to be in the majors in two years. Unlikely, naive, but that’s what his goal was. From what I’ve read about him, he is motivated enough, if he was lazy, he wouldn’t be still taking balls at 3B and trying to prove to the Giants that he can still be a 3B, while they push him to 1B.

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by obsessivegiantscompulsive on Mar 16, 2026 1:37 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You call it bad habits, I call it a 16 year old boy in a developing country where it is a good thing to be able to eat.

Want to know what I call this? “Being a homer.”

I dont care what his reasons are and Im not putting a value on it. Plain facts are that 1) he was quite overweight; and 2) that’s a bad thing for a baseball player. I dont care what sob story is behind it (and FYI he’s from La Romana, which is actually very nice, is a private city run by a large company, and the quality of life is quite good: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Romana,_Dominican_Republic). There are also plenty of Dominicans that come here and arent fat and dont have motivation problems, so its not like this is an issue with all Domincan prospects, or even all Domincan teenage prospects… this was a Angel Villalona issue.

So, please explain how the fact he comes from “a developing country where it is a good thing to be able to eat” makes his weight troubles not a “bad habit.” It sure seems to me like youre just making a plea to my sympathies by making this statement. It really does nothing to change my opinion about Villalona or his weight problems. Am I supposed to feel sorry for him and ignore a possible red flag…? I dont think statements like that are particularly helpful, frankly.

Regardless of the reasons, his weight and motivation issues go down as a mark against him. Personally, I do sympathize with the fact he comes from a relatively poor country… but that doesnt affect my opinion of him as a prospect.

If you look hard enough you can make excuses for pretty much every problem with every prospect…

by alskor on Mar 16, 2026 2:03 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

his weight and motivation issues go down as a mark against him

Why? Because he was fat at one point? You’re holding onto things too long.

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by marcello on Mar 16, 2026 3:17 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Can I see a link talking about these motivation issues? I’ve never heard anything about it, but I might have missed it.

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by marcello on Mar 16, 2026 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with Marcello

What motivation issues? What couple of years of scouting reports? I have missed those too.

None of the prospect books I have noted any bad habits. The ones I got from two years ago were all positive about him except for his size leading to him being a below average runner. Last year, one book noted that coaches say he is eager to learn and, again, only his weight was an issue. One book, written by someone who took the MLB scouting training noted, "Centers ball with good contact, which should give him a solid BA despite lackluster plate discipline. " He also noted his plus bat-speed and power. All good things.

So I have not seen any evidence of two years of bad habits. His weight has been an issue, and thus his eventual playing position and his ability to run, but as noted, he lost 40 pounds, sounds pretty motivated to me.

And prior to that, he had nobody to train him on proper ways to eat, proper ways to exercise, he was raw and uninformed for the most part, except for whatever his buscan/agent told him. But it only sounded like the agent bribed teams to get him into games with good players, I didn’t seen any mention of what he did to prepare Villalona physically or mentally.

Given that he appears to be illiterate, I doubt his family had the luxury of membership in a gym or local Y, or of in-home exercise training or equipment, let alone little league and such. So I think there are a lot of reasons why he should be given the benefit of the doubt on, relative to other prospects who are 18.

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by obsessivegiantscompulsive on Mar 16, 2026 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Marcello is the one who brought it up!

offering his weight loss as evidence that he was motivated.

by alskor on Mar 16, 2026 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Your link is bad.

In any case, you too are speculating on the unknown. We know he is from La Romana, and that La Romana is relatively affluent compared to other parts of the country, but that doesn’t mean much. Most of the economy there is tourism based, and while it is likely his folks are employed, this hardly means they are well off; we don’t know.

And where the hell is the motivation problem idea coming from? Not from those who see him play. Maybe because he is quite large (and as of last year, was overweight), but if someone is going Very large framed 17/18 year old has extra weight = unmotivated, i would like to introduce that person to the world outside their induction challenged head.

His size is a possible red flag, though it is not even exactly a red flag yet.

and the 3B bit, though very unlikely, isn’t exactly a fanboy pipe dream. Some in the giants organization still think of him in that way, and they do—in fact—have him do drills at third. And the stated reason the Giants gave for moving him to first was that they think his bat will develop faster than his glove, but expressly did not rule out a return to third (btw, the giants farm system has some sort of strange obsession with positional flexibility). The most reasonable expectation is that he’ll be at 1st from here on out, but that is just based on his size and his youth: we don’t quite know what his body will end up like, yet.

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by haverecords on Mar 16, 2026 5:01 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Huh?

“He’s 18, he already thinks he knows everything! He needs a dose of reality.”

"Villalona needs to understand that he needs to get better. "

Unless you’re his psychiatrist, I think you might be coming off as just a bit presumptious . . .

I see absolutely no reason why he shouldn’t be promoted this year. I wouldn’t necessarily jump him to AA next year without some progress, but keeping him with the rest of those talented youngsters and moving to more favorable environments is going to be much better for his development than holding him back. The difference between full-season A ball levels isn’t that severe . . .and being lost in the shuffle is the fact that Villalona was actually pretty solid last year.

by mrkupe on Mar 16, 2026 12:43 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And you're coming off as having no funny bone

If the difference between Low-A and High-A isn’t that great as you claim, then it is a symbolic gesture by the Giants to impress upon their young prospect that they think he can do better and that he needs to do better if he wants to advance. The message loses some of its potency when you tell a player that he has a potentially crippling weakness in his game while still promoting him.

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by grover on Mar 16, 2026 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Um

He put up an above-average OPS+ against players at least 1-2 years older than him. Sure he can do better . . .most players don’t peak 4 years before they’re of legal drinking age, after all.

Yes, he needs to improve the discipline a bit . . .but at his age and this level of competition, you’d rather see the kid up there learning how to hit, what pitches he can do things with, what pitches he can’t. Some players just have an innate gift and know these things from an early age - for others, the only way they’ll learn is through experience. Some would actually argue that the best way for Villalona to learn strike zone judgment is by promoting him to a level of competition where pitchers will exploit his swing-happy tendencies, forcing him to sink-or-swim and to make the necessary adjustments. Many would also argue that holding Villalona back while promoting his peers could just end up frustrating him and even more swing-happy in an effort to prove that he should be promoted. As a result, that ever-precious BB/K could end up looking similarly ghastly (or even more so) to his 2008, only with him being a year older . . .for all we know, he could actually have made strides with his strike zone judgment and it might not even show up in his production.

If Villalona would be utterly overwhelmed by his competiton, then yeah, you hold him back. But he should be fine (and perhaps much better than that) in the Cal League. In any case, I’d much rather see him struggle to, say, a .725 OPS in the Cal League than go back to the Sally League and put up a .850 OPS. What he does in the minors at age 18 is absolutely, one hundred percent irrelevant if it doesn’t help him to become a successful major leaguer. That he has the talent to become such a player doesn’t seem to be in doubt, so I could really care less how the numbers look right now as long as he’s learning.

by mrkupe on Mar 17, 2026 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is an excellent post in every regard. Thank you!

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by Lyle on Mar 18, 2026 8:49 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Cal League is a great place to hide a lack of progress, 'tis a hitter's league

I agree, there is no “right” way to develop every prospect. I am being conservative with my approach to Villalona. I don’t think he has learned all he can in Low-A, and for that reason think having him repeat the level is a perfectly acceptable course of action.

Save the spiel about his ability to hit, I’ve already said his ability to put the bat on the ball is fine. I don’t agree with the sink-or-swim approach some may advocate, I believe in placing the players in the best position to succeed. He’s already struggling to control the strike zone in Low-A ball, he doesn’t need to go elsewhere to find a challenge. If Villalona gets frustrated because someone else gets promoted over him and stinks it up in Low-A then I’d consider that a character problem that should be addressed earlier rather than later. ‘Cause what’s going to happen when he gets to the Show and has never had to actually face adversity or set back?

If you are truly worried that Villalona is going to pout and under-perform if he starts 2009 in Low-A ball than I’m more right than I thought (or even wanted) and the kid needs his ass kicked more than he needs a promotion.

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by grover on Mar 18, 2026 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He's

a C+, maybe B- IMO.

He has some good power, but honestly he has absolutely no other skill to his advantage. Plus, power is just about the easiest developed skill. So he has one tool so far, and that’s the least valuable.

If you take age into account, maybe he’ll get up to a .280 hitter, but the Ks aren’t helping me out in that projection. No fielding skills, no discipline. He’s not in shape really either.

by METSMETSMETS on Mar 15, 2026 12:19 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Question...

What grade do you give Fernando Martinez, who has no plus skills?

Personally, I think Villalona getting a B grade is just fine. If he were a Boston or New York prospect, many would argue for him to be a B+ or higher since he does have plus (maybe plus-plus?) power. Like other has stated, his K rate is not the issue, it’s the lack of walks right now. So basically he is Martinez with actual power and a higher K rate. Not as athletic, but maybe has the same defensive value since he is playing 3B (possibly moving to 1B) while Martinez is playing CF but is likely moving to a corner spot.

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by Boxkutter on Mar 15, 2026 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Martinez

I’d argue that his body type doesn’t cripple him in the field like Villalona, he’s a left-handed hitter so hitting starting pitching won’t be as much of a bother, Martinez can draw walks and runs pitch counts high.

While Martinez only spent 200 ABs in Hagerstown at 17, his performance was significantly better. Also, in terms of IsoP, Martinez and Villalona have been exhibiting equal amounts of pop, and Martinez’s sinewy body may indicate that his power is on the rise. Martinez has walked at twice that rate that Villalona has, and not to mention has proven twice an ability to hit for average to go along with his superior discipline.

So Martinez can and has hit for average, drawn walks, field and throw the ball better than Villalona, is in better shape and has been exhibiting similar power numbers.

B+

by METSMETSMETS on Mar 15, 2026 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just as I figured...

Positive spin on all of Martinez’s weaknesses.

Sorry to inform you, but Martinez is a 4th OF at best. In almost 1,000 career at bats he has only drawn 69 walks and hit 22 HR. He doesn’t walk, he doesn’t have any power, and he will be a below average CF long term, but hey… at least Martinez strikes out 20% of the time.

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by Boxkutter on Mar 15, 2026 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

To be fair

An 18 year old in AA shouldn’t happen. Ever.

I compared Martinez and Villalona in the same league at the same age, and Martinez this year because he was still the youngest in his league but not nearly as overmatched as in 2007.

Is that fair? I think so. In that span of time, the difference between in OBP and AVG was around .065, not bad at all. His IsoP’s were around .160, AVG’s between .290 and .330. And guess what? He still has age v. league going his way, a body that can still fill out, and impeccable bat speed.

by METSMETSMETS on Mar 15, 2026 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

FYI

All the accounts I’ve seen on Villalona says that he is athletic for his size, so I don’t know where you get that his body type/size cripples him in the field.

And he has proven his HR power, unlike Martinez. Some have said he could hit 30-40 homers per season. And he was near that some months, hitting 4-5 homers in a month in 3 months out of 5.

And it is hard to argue that Martinez has proven anything about hitting for average when his results have been so up and down in his career. Sure he did well in A-ball, but he totally stunk in Advanced A, so which was the real F-Mart that season? He could have been on a hot streak and left before the pitchers figured him out.

And in 2007, he was pretty bad in AA, which suggests that the latter half was the real him and not the first half. And a 772 OPS in AA in 2008 is hardly superior hitting there, if you are going to pick on Villalona’s numbers. The MLE (adjusted for age) of Martinez’s AA OPS according to a source I use was the equivalent of .271/.318/.397/.715 in 2008, hardly superior.

And that 772 OPS is about the same amount higher in terms of OPS vs. league average, Eastern League average was .264/.338/.403/.741, he’s 31 points above the league average for OPS, Villalona was 40 points higher, negligible difference. He also benefited from home cooking, whereas Villalona was hampered by his home, which is known as a pitcher’s park.

He still has a lot of time to develop, but he hasn’t bee exactly setting the world on fire in AA, whereas Villalona is only in Advanced A and got even more time to figure things out.

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by obsessivegiantscompulsive on Mar 16, 2026 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Power is the easiest developed skill?

really? Then hell, I’ll just get off the couch and go hit homers in the Major Leagues.

by richieabernathy on Mar 15, 2026 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Exhibit A:

Jason Giambi — He had little power as a 3B at Long Beach

In the minors his IsoP were all in the .140-.180 range, save 41 AB in A- ball right after the draft.

He hits the majors, gets stronger, IsoP’s anywhere from .200 to .310.

Granted, Giambi was a user, but steroids don’t magically make people powerful. Working out does, and steroids merely speed the process, and maybe add a hacker’s attitude at the plate. The easiest skill to improve is power because this can be achieved with little to no hand-eye coordination like discipline and contact hitting, and is can be improved dramatically at any point in time, unlike speed. (try improving your mile time by 2 minutes in a month, and try and lift 100 more pounds in a month, see which is easier.)

by METSMETSMETS on Mar 15, 2026 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Okay, so Giambi is one (steroid-aided) example. I don’t think it will be too easy to show that power is the easiest developed skill, or the “least valuable,” as you said earlier.

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by raisingcain on Mar 15, 2026 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

To clarify

its least valuable in a prospect because it is the easiest to obtain:

Many scouts see players who can hit for average but not power and say “he’ll fill out” like with Joe Mauer. Which he probably will. Many players bulk up and by ages 26 and 27 they’ll hit 3 or 4 times as many home runs.

Exhibit B:

Hanley Ramirez. Ramirez went through the minors to finish with a .133 IsoP, with a single season high in HR of a whopping 8.In his first major league year, he hits 17. Then 29. Then 33.

Exhibit C:

Miguel Cabrera. While young for his league, Cabrera never generated much power until age 20 in AA, mainly through doubles. By his first full MLB year, Cabrera was a 30 HR hitter

by METSMETSMETS on Mar 16, 2026 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

thousands

i could name thousands who never made the show or became utility infielders or fourth outfielders because their power never developed.

by richieabernathy on Mar 16, 2026 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That doesn't mean that power is easily developed

It just means that these players developed power.

I don’t know names, but I know that there have been plenty of prospects who are expected to develop power when they fill out and/or get older, and they never do that. They die on the prospect vine. Hopefully some prospect hound here can quote some, I’m blanking right now.

And the accounts I’ve seen says that he should do OK on defense, so it is not like he has no fielding skills.

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by obsessivegiantscompulsive on Mar 16, 2026 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

...

As Grover correctly illustrates, while his K% is high, his K% isn’t at a Chris Carter level of crippling. The problem is absolutely his BB. Angel has posted K of 18.8, 15.5 and 23.8, none of which are overwhelming for a first base prospect with plus-plus raw power. His LD is also a pretty good 17. His K was also 19% for both July and August, so he was definitely making better contact by the end of the season.

He will struggle further if he moves up and cannot layoff tough pitches, however. If I remember correctly, though, he is one of few players in A at his age to post a .700 OPS. His upside his enormous, but I’m in agreement that he should stay at his current level for another year.

by WrenFGun on Mar 15, 2026 12:53 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Autograph...

I just noticed his John Hancock on the baseball card… this kid has the penmanship of a 4th grader. And the language thing shouldn’t be the issue… it’s his name.

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by Boxkutter on Mar 15, 2026 1:02 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I was...

going to comment on that, but you beat me to it. The letters that I wrote to decorate shirts in kindergarten(yes I still have them, and I only wrote 4, 8, and S) compares favorably to the letters villalona puts together to spell his name. My guess is his career has two paths:
1. He makes it to the bigs at 21 (2012), plays at an average level for ~3 years, then calms down in the pros, takes more pitches, and becomes a slugging 1B by the middle of his 4th year (he is 25, 2016). Then he stays with the Giants and not only becomes the hitter they have never developed, but he, Bumgarner, Cain, Alderson, Sanchez, and Lincecum lead the team to a couple World Series victories.

or

2. He becomes a historian of the art of penmanship at UC Berkely.

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by gore51 on Mar 15, 2026 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He's an English Language Learner

Give him a break. I have a 17 year-old student from El Salvador who is illiterate in both English and Spanish, and his writing looks about like that when he writes his name in English. He’s very smart, but his life has been almost completely devoid of formal education. At that age, reading and writing present a pretty steep learning curve.

by ToddyBaseball on Mar 15, 2026 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

As Boxkutter said

Its not like he needs to translate his name/signature into English.

He clearly hasnt had a great education so far.

by alskor on Mar 16, 2026 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

My point being

the issue isnt really that “he’s an English Language Learner”

by alskor on Mar 16, 2026 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think the issue is that he is illiterate, whether English or Spanish

Illiterates have a hard time writing, let alone writing their name cursive.

Just another sign that perhaps he is not from the affluent part of town, no matter how rich an area is, there are a lot of poor people still there.

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by obsessivegiantscompulsive on Mar 16, 2026 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've rarely been described as illiterate

and his handwriting is better than mine.

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by OldProspects on Mar 16, 2026 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Villalona's athleticism

For someone the size of Villalona, conditioning is going to be key throughout his career. He does not look very agile right now and that will only get worse as he ages. Also, his current skillset mostly falls into the category of old player skills, in my opinion. Right now, I see it as very plausible that he will peak around or before 30 and then falling off a cliff soon afterwards.

If he manages to improve in the areas he needs, Richie Sexson seems like a great comparison for Villalona. If he manges to stay in very good shape and hold off aging, he could be even greater than that.

by tdot mariner fan on Mar 15, 2026 2:30 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Villalona

DRB Giants fan actually rated him as the best Giants prospect here in 2009. Yea, that’s ahead of Posey, and Bumgarner.

Plus, he’s a reeeeealy smart Giants fan who goes to about 50 Giants games a year. I heard one year he even went to every home game.

My point is that everyone here besides John and the first response knows what they’re talking about.

BIg V is a powerhouse period. He is projected to improve his plate disipline , and harness his power.

I don’t agree that he is has the same grade as Posey or MadBum, but he’s still a great 3rd overall prospect.

by Matt Rox on Mar 15, 2026 3:08 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Who has projected him to improve his plate discipline?

I’d be chary of any such predictions about ANY player, and certainly want to see a cite to any such claim for Villalona.

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by PaulThomas on Mar 15, 2026 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He probably will (and in any case, he’s career depends on it). This is, after all, where the age comes in—in combination with being from the dominican, and not formal baseball played in HS in the states. When he came to the US, he knew virtually nothing of the ‘team’ parts of baseball, and that would include the finer points: just well developed physical tools (this is fairly typical of bonus babies, btw).

I got to see him a few times, and I would have to say he looks a lot more impressive than his stats. He his the ball very hard, very often. As his own teammate Noonan said, he’ll start making major noise once he figures out that pitchers don’t really want to pitch to him. Apparently (and this bears out when watching him), he hasn’t learned how to react when he is being pitched around: he still tries to drive the hell out of the ball, and go down swinging instead of taking a walk. This isn’t that worrying considering how little experience he has, but he has to learn how to deal with this.

Adoptive Parent of Francisco Peguero. He can throw, he can run, he can hit(fastballs), and he's Dominican. What else do you need to know?

by haverecords on Mar 15, 2026 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

But only for use of the word “chary.”

by aCone419 on Mar 15, 2026 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Seriously

Somebody must be studying for his GRE or something . . .

by mrkupe on Mar 15, 2026 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

correction!

Poster #1 also underestimate him. There is no way he’s a B-

by Matt Rox on Mar 15, 2026 3:10 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Joel Guzman

The Dodgers won't win a playoff series until the Cool-a-Coo returns.

by mckeeno on Mar 15, 2026 9:14 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

binary options are ungradeable

They end up either 1 or 0, and Villalona’s one of them. A fan of his team, I’m hoping he learns to hit, but I recognize the high risk of flameout. A B grade is a reasonable compromise here.

by wcw on Mar 15, 2026 9:44 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

villalona is an interesting case

obviously he has raw power, and he is super young. he also has a tremendous amount of warts. his conditioning has been a concern, he has little in the way of plate discipline, and he struggles mightily against RHP.

i think B is a bit high, but i can see him making a leap that makes that grade look good.

by skiinginNJ on Mar 15, 2026 10:50 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Got off to wrong foot

I think all the Giants fans understand there are warts to Villalona, warts that if unchecked, he would be the latest big bonus Latin free agent to lay a big egg. Juan Guzman, Wily Mo Pena, the list could go on and on. I don’t think any of us dispute that.

But it is not homer-ism to think that he has a lot of potential, which is what this site is all about, discussing a prospect’s potential (and his likelihood of attaining that).

Sure, he doesn’t walk much and strikes out a lot (though he reduced it greatly by season’s end). He has a big body that if he doesn’t get control of, he could eat his way out of baseball. He needs to work on hitting RHP better. I think we all get that.

What I think most people are forgetting is that he hit for an above average OPS in class A-ball when he should have been a senior in high school. How many senior high school players can do that, and with power, in A-ball? And he reduced his strikeout rate from 30% in first three months, down to 21% his last two months, while still exhibiting his power, raising his BA from .235 his first three months to .293 in last two months. How many high school seniors can do that? Heck, how many college students could do that? The league average was .257/.325/.382/.707 and he hit .263/.312/.435/.747 for the season, .293/.334/.462/.796 the last two months. He showed clear growth as the season when on, and which corroborates each other, his improvement in strikeout rate was accompanied by increase in his BA.

Also, entering the 2008 season, he had just had his first taste of organized ball. Most U.S. players got that when they were 6-7 years old. A quote from a Giants official when he was signed shows how wide the divide in experience is: “You can’t expect quick results when he’s just learning bunt signs for the first time in his life.” Most of the players in the Sally League probably learned the bunt signs as 7-8 year olds in Little League or PONY League (that’s around when my son learned that sign). By the time they are professionals, they should have that ingrained in their heads.

Villalona didn’t learn this until he was 16 years old, so in 2007 and 2008 he has been getting a crash course in learning all the things his fellow players had 10 years or more to learn and hone, while also dealing with a new language as well as living away from home, which is something every player deals with. And he still was above average in OPS/power, and improved greatly by year’s end.

Another thing people are forgetting is that even the younger players he was playing against were players who would be in their first year of college, and yet he not only held his own against them, for the most part, when he should be a senior in high school, but he was among the league leaders in homeruns, he was tied for 12th.

Sure, he has bad discipline, but most seniors in high school would have some problems facing pitchers with 3 years of experience in college, which on average the league had, the average age for a pitcher there was 22 years old. Still, despite that huge difference in experience, he improved his strikeout rate greatly from start of the season to end of the season, while keeping his power.

Admittedly, I can see why people call these “excuses”, but to me, they are facts. If you threw, say, a JV player against high school players, where there is a gap in experience and skills, you would expect him to fall flat on his face. That Villalona was not only able to hold his own but also excel in some ways is a major accomplishment to me.

And that doesn’t mean we Giants fans are ignoring his negatives, but given his newness to everything, I think these are major accomplishments. And you don’t lose 40 pounds unless you are extremely motivated to do so. He could have just sat on his laurels and think he would be able to excel at everything since he got the big money, but he works on his fielding still and worked to get 40 pounds off, when, frankly, many young people who just got into money and is now free from home and on their own, tend to pig out on fast food and gain weight while losing conditioning.

And I have no problem with a B grade. He’s in A-ball, about to enter Advanced-A ball, and while he did some nice things in A-ball, he still has things he needs to figure out. I think B+ is justified perhaps even A-, but I won’t lose sleep over that. I think people are overemphasizing his warts, if power was that easy to develop, maybe Duane Kuiper would have hit more than one in his career. People with power potential don’t always develop it. I think he deserves a promotion to Advanced A for his improvement during the season and for doing well in general.

Plus, he’s chomping on the bit, he originally wanted to make the majors in two seasons. You are dealing with a teenage ego here. So you have to balance that in there too. Luckily he did well enough (at least I think so) to get pushed to Advanced A. It was not like he was at the back of the class, he did better than average and now gets to see how he does now with another year of organized ball under his belt, another year as a professional.

And the obsession with positional flexibility is that position players are relatively limited otherwise and you have no idea which of the Jell-O you throw on the wall is going to stick. Unlike pitchers, who, depending on skill-set, can fill almost anywhere on a roster of 11-12 pitchers. Think positional flexibility wouldn’t have helped the Rangers when they had Teixeira, A-Gon, and Hafner? Heck, the A’s put McGwire at 3B, what if Rob Nelson was half decent and kept McGwire at 3B, I wonder how much of that would have downgraded his performance at the plate, struggling to field 3B?

Meanwhile, the Giants have a nice starter in Lowry, then they add Cain, then Lincecum, and now Sanchez replacing Lowry, and maybe Bumgarner in a year or two, Alderson too. Wilson could have been a nice starter too, but they made him into a closer. Romo, Hinshaw, and Matos look to be good bullpen guys, and if better ones develop, or if a starter falters but then excel in the bullpen, they get pushed out and the pitching staff improves.

With positional flexibility, you can Rubik’s cube the players to give them more opportunity to show what they can do in the majors as a hitter, before settling down to a position. Of course, not everyone can do that, plus you don’t want to push your best prospects all around. But as an general philosophy, I think that’s is a good idea, especially for marginal players who would end up as a utility player.

Adoptive parental unit of Kevin " 2007's Most Spectacular Pitcher" Pucetas.

"I'm a Giant now... I like watching the ball get up there" - Wendell Fairley
"I'm really proud to be on this team." - Nate Schierholtz
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